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I asked about this Bible verse on another thread, but did not get a response. Some Muslims claim it refers to Prophet Muhammad (SAW), but there is no way to know that for sure. A Mormon could claim it referred to Joseph Smith. Muslims can't even be sure if this conversation took place, but it may have and it may refer to our Prophet (SAW). I would like to see some opinions about this, and/or any knowledge about this referenced Prophet from Jewish or Christian doctrines.


Who do you think the Priest and Levites were referring to when they asked John if he was the "Prophet": in Verse 21?

19.) "Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent Priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him "Who are you?"

20.) He confessed. and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ".

21.) And they asked him "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?", And he answered "no."

(John 1:19-21)

The answer may be found in Deuteronomy 18:15-18. The answer to who this is is found in John 1:45. It is Jesus. Acts 3:17-26 and Acts 7 also reference this.

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The first response John gave to the question "who are you" was that he was not the Christ (Jesus), so they asked him if he was Elijah or "that Prophet", to which he also denied, so the question of "that Prophet" would not have been referring to The Christ/Messiah (Jesus-AS).

As for Deuteronomy 18:15-18 , I believe (as many Muslims do) that this is most likely a prophecy about Prophet Muhammad (SAW). I suppose that John 1:21 could also refer to this prophecy as well, but I see no way to be sure if thats the reference like the clear references in John 1:45, and the other passages you indicated. The primary reasoning is on THIS PAGE OF THE BNG SITE

Who do you think the Priest and Levites were referring to when they asked John if he was the "Prophet": in Verse 21

Many more actually believed John the Baptist was the 'prophet' the messiah. He was being venerated long after he was killed. And there is actually evidence he existed. a cave that was used for baptizing. multiple scholars of the time mention him.

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I definitely believe John the Baptist existed. He is a Prophet of Islam and is called Yahya (AS) in the Quran, and his story is told in Surah 19.

I would like to know more about this cave!?!

When they asked him if he was "that Prophet" he had just said he wasn't the Messiah (Christ - AS).

20.) He confessed. and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ".

21.) And they asked him "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?", And he answered "no."

(John 1:20-21)

I don't have the scriptures. But he also said there shall be one that follows me. whose shoe straps i am not worthy to undo. That is paraphrased.


Shortly there after Jesus came to John to be baptized. John says to him, it is I who should be baptized by you. Christ answered saying do as i asked so that all righteousness can be fulfilled. Again paraphrased.


It seems to me that John is saying that Jesus is the Saviour. but I am sure some will twist that to mean something else.

He was a nother incarnation for the spirit Michael, God's first born spirit son.

Adam was Michaels first incarnation, Begotten just like bro Jesus, Only in a diferent manner.

Love Omnaka

If what your saying is true. then it cannot be. Christ and John were alive at the sametime. a soul cannot occupy two bodies at the sametime.

I'm not saying John was Jesus, I'm saying They wanted to know who John was, He was The spirit Michaels incarnation, and Michael, is the spirit who was inside the Man John the baptist.

Bro Jesus ' spirit was created after His brother Michaels'.

That was to be Brother Jesus' last incarnation, and also his time, not Johns', this is why Michael did not steal the show.

Love Omnaka

"Off with his head...it might be amusing. Bring it to me on a platter."

He had no chance to steal the show lolz

Deuteronomy 18 refers to the Messiah, not to Mohammed as Islam teaches, nor does it refer to Jesus as Christianity teaches.

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Where does that interpretation come from???

Conversations with Father.

Love Omnaka

If I said that about Jesus on the cross, Would it still be funny?

Love Omnaka

I have to disagree with you on this. There is no reincarnation. Once a soul has a body that is it's only body even after death. This is why it was so important to Legion to have a body that they asked Christ for the pigs.

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Unless either of the two you say isn't the Messiah is the Messiah. Which I believe Christ is.

So eternal Sirit, Or Life means One time to You, ?

Or Only After this life does Eternal begin?

Eternal Life in My book is infinate and is as many Times as the spirit need, Experience, Not once and it's over. Who could have the experience Of a God in One go round// This is the Morman Belief. How does one who has only experience Life But Once become a God of His own world?

Experience is what makes Worlds, not Once and You got it.

As I can Do so wil You, Even better.

Love Omnaka

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Generally, Islam rejects the idea of reincarnation, although some Sufis and Dervishes may embrace such ideas. However, the idea that our Rooh (Spirit) and even the Nafs (Self/Soul) only comes into existence in the life of this world isn't correct either.

"When your Lord drew forth, from the Children of Adam, from their loins - their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, saying, 'Am I not your Lord?' They said: 'We do testify', lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Of this we were never mindful."
(7:172)

For those who are not comfortable with reincarnation...Im curious to what you feel Jesus meant when he said Elijah has already came, indeed he is John....Im paraphrasing here, Ill have to find where I read that....but whatcha think this means?

I'm not being facetious, but why would a prophet (of the One God of the Semitic religions) necessarily know that he was a prophet?
If you do what a prophet does (e.g. make prophecies, as John the Baptist did) then I would think that makes you a prophet, regardless of whether that's what you think you are.

This might come a bit off topic, but here is a thought. You mentioned Semitic religions, lets just for a moment leave out of this topic any religion, and just say there is a ONE true creator/begettor of all. So Ill call him ONE, for this topic. What if the ONE was in the Bible and history mixed into many different beliefs. What if the beliefs started out with the ONE, but many beliefs along the way got distorted. What if, the Yahweh spirit in the Bible only represented a part of the ONE. What if since the Yahweh spirit was just a part of the ONE, you result have a small distortion. But still, throughout the Old Testament, the ONE sneaks himself in, woven beautifully through the letters and the words to one day be found, again, as the ONE, pure of love, creates through love, and retrieves his fruit that he planted, through love. What if, ya know....I cant help it. So what Im saying about a true prophet, I dont recall when I studied the Old Testament, the books of the prophets using the name Yahweh, I recall them using the title El more so then the first books of the Bible. Yahweh was mentioned often in the first books of the OT, but for some reason it seems to disappear, the purer souls evolve, the less distortion that comes through. That is until the NT, it is great truth, but it doesnt emphasize enough that Jesus taught how to live with nature, that animals had souls and that we seek science because the ONE is the science of everything. If you were a prophet, you wouldn't know it, I agree, because its the people that would title you as a prophet, by seeing what you are, the question would be, are you a prophet of the ONE with out distortion? It all comes as a feeling, truth, is a feeling. If your foundation is built of love for all, then you can very much so discern truth from falsies....just my thoughts, no rights or wrongs...and for what its worth, when you read about the times that Yahweh was in the Bible, you still see the ONE using them as lessons to us. The first few books of the OT are riddled with insight about our souls evolution. The Holy Holidays are wonderful parables and Jesus showed us there is much more importance of these days then just feast, there is a meaning of how it all works. The unleavened bread, the first fruits, the harvesting of the vineyards, once you see what is truly woven there, its so beautiful. For me, the prophets in the Old Testament (in the latter books) shown truth through the lives they lived, the reasons that they were able to hold true channeled prophecies from the ONE. Its another sign, if you will, of the importance of living close to the ONE, the more honest and pure hearted you try to be, the closer you walk with the Divine Spirit.

That is precisely what I believe: The One True God. Meaning, the only one there is, regardless of which religion. I'm not disputing the Oneness of God at all.

What I should have said, instead of the "One True God of the Semitic religions" is: "The One True God of the Semitic revelations." That is, I was only referring to the particular cultures, peoples, and general area where these revelations were received. Certainly what was revealed to them was only within their capability of receiving it. That IMO is why these revelations appear to be different, when in fact they are an accomodation to people at different times. What we would receive now would undoubtedly be quite different than what was received 2000 years ago.

There have also been other such revelations, for example in Hinduism where the One True God is also affirmed.



No argument here. IMO you can be close to God just by virtue of how you live and how you are, without having to obsess over speaking to the air.

My Lord, or Father and Mother of My Eternal spirit, did not arise from Adam, Father and Mother(God ) Is Adams Father and infinatly every Father before this.

The great thing about Reincarnation, is one need not know about it for it to Happen, after this life one will be conscious of all his lives, and The work he or she needs to do To educate an eternal spirit.

Most are not here to transcend this physical life, while living it, This is why The veil between Spirit and Physical. If one knew, he would not do the work, That spirit incarnated in to this body to do..

As Bro Brahman Said, The knowledge can be a great comfort For those who seek.

Love Omnaka

I Like it, Thanks for thinking out loud.

Love Omnaka

Regarding re-incarnation, if the death means you still linger around here in another shell, then there is no point to death, its meaningless. Also then the Hindu dogma on incarnation would be acceptable by you, where does karma fit in this. You always say god is love, is he only love. Love is an emotion not an attribute, he is all loving, but thats not all he is.

As for the passage itself, it does refer to the prophet, the reason i say this is because in the Quran, allah tells us that the jews know muhammed better than their own sons, meaning he was prohecised by every prophet before him, he is mentioned in the torah, bible, hindu scripture, buhddist scripture etc. Now, the jews in the torah were told of a prophet to come, after the messiah, the seal of the prophets, he verse regarding this, even gives them an indication that he will no be of them, meaning of the jewish race, but rather of their brethren, the arabs. The one and only prophet to come from that side of the family so to speak. The new testament and jesus mentioned his coming by name, which in later years was changed, from Ahmad, to paracaletos, in greek and in english to conformter, all still meaning muhammed, as he was also called by names, with those very meanings.

John, when asked by the jews, clearly states, i am not christ, i am not elijah and im not the prophet, meaning, that the jews also expected another prophet after messiah. Unfortunately they do not recognise jesus as the true messiah, hence they wait for a messiah today. That paticular verse about johns confession, can be put in to context, along with other verse which prophecised the coming of muhammed.

Muhhamed was a special son, But did not choose to create a world. He will incarnate on another world after this one is Come to a close. He is not the messiah.

All are son's Of God (Heavenly Father and Mother) Hard to believe huh?

Most would not think so because they do not act as they think a son of God should act, Making You The savior, THe one to nurture and comfort your bro, and sis, Mother Father and Daughter.

Those who waite For devine intervention, will scold them self in the spirit world for not stepping up to the plate. Thats ok also, Because Eternal spirit means you will get another Go at it.

Those who prophesise Gods Love Do so out of unconditional love for God and Man.

Soon many will be prophesising This love.

And it will be understood that we are all sons Of God, or Love The most high.

The love on Earth seems conditional, Thats why it is hard for many to Think of God as love. Love is more than a Feeling, It is a verb, an action, Ir creates and Grows when shared.

There is no Power greater.

Love Omnaka

Your words have no meaning but love, love will save the day, for love we step up and claim to be sons of god in spirit, yet we are nothing like him or do what he does. Its all gibberish.

Muhammed never claimed to be the messiah, only the last prophet, as the bible says, the torah, the hindu scriptures, buhddists and others. Love is an emotions, which can grow and deminish like many other emotions, it can be acted on, or become an action, a verb, but thats not all god is. I have been here with you before.

i ask you are a begotten son of god, like jesus, if so how did got beget you or jesus, and what does begotten mean?

Read in The beginning there was Love, It tells How I was Begotten By love, and If you feel the need to call my belief anything Other Than something Good, I will ask that you not respond to my Posts. I say it is understandable if you do not believe what I Know.

I wish you could Find what I know to be understandable as well, But Because you don't , it is understandable.

Love Omnaka.

Ps- Love does save the Day, and every spirit Created, Hate can only steal from what love has created..

The religions which teach that God has anything But love for God's creations are in for an awakening.

Got to Go to work now Hope you Have a blessed Day.
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How do you "know"

Begotten as a result of Love? yeh that does normally have somethign to do with it. Begotten means offspring as a result of sexual intercourse, the bible says that the spirit, another manifestation of god came upon mary, and that jesus was his only begotten son. Who did god mate with, because if thats not what they meant, then dont use such words. Is it fitting for a god, to be mating with humans to create a begotten son. See its nonsense and you claim your begotten of the father too?

about that cave and John the Baptist - sorry I forgot - very interesting read

By Karin Laub
updated 7:07 p.m. ET, Mon., Aug. 16, 2004

KIBBUTZ TZUBA, Israel - Archaeologists think they’ve found a cave where John the Baptist baptized many of his followers — basing their theory on thousands of shards from ritual jugs, a stone used for foot cleansing and wall carvings that tell the story of the biblical preacher.

Only a few artifacts linked to New Testament figures have ever been found in the Holy Land, and the cave is potentially a major discovery in biblical archaeology.

“John the Baptist, who was just a figure from the Gospels, now comes to life,” British archaeologist Shimon Gibson said during an exclusive tour of the cave given to The Associated Press.

But some scholars said Gibson’s finds aren’t enough to support his theory, and one colleague said that short of an inscription with John’s name in the cave, there could never be conclusive proof of his presence there............

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5724143/

yet - there is archeology . Monotheism wasn't just a Hebrew invention it seems.

AMMAN: In a remote corner of Jordan, archaeologists have uncovered a room that may transform the way we think about God.

Its massive stones still clinging to the damp hills of the Jordan River Valley, the Migdol Temple at first appears to be little more than an ancient network of fortified walls. Yet when Jordanian and Australian archaeologists working at the site of ancient Pella began piecing it together in 1997, it didn't take them long to realize that they were reconstructing something extraordinary: a 3,600-year-old textbook in stone.

The Migdol Temple charts within a single room one of the most important events in human history: the transition from polytheism to the belief in one God. ...............

...........During the approximately 800 years of its occupation, those who used the Migdol Temple slowly changed their Bronze Age polytheistic beliefs into Iron Age "henotheistic" beliefs, a period during which officials allowed communities to believe in more than one god, but encouraged them to concentrate their veneration on one god over all others.

Known as "state monotheism," the most famous example of this change in belief is that of Yahweh in Israel. But according to Bourke, archaeological evidence is revealing that this new emphasis on one god was not reserved for the Israelites, but occurred simultaneously in several nation states throughout the Middle East, with Yahweh in Israel, Hadad in Damascus, Milkom in Amman, Chemos in Moab (in present-day Jordan) and Qos in Edom (in present-day Israel).

http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Culture/Monotheism.html

I know Father and Mother intamatly, I have been to Heaven in this life, and remember the loveunconditional.

That's How I know.

Hope thats good enough for you, cause it sure is Good enough for me, and quite the comfort.

Love Omnaka

Begotten means Of father and Mother only. All spirit is begotten by the meld , or love Of Father and Mother making You a son or daughter Of God.

It's not Sex, But about Ten million times better and stronger than Sex.

The Spirit Meld makes sex look like childs play.

The physical manifestation of this Spirit Union, Created Adam in the physical.

Bro Jesus's Incarnation in that life can be looked at as, Father and Mother firtalising an egg in Heaven and placing it in The holy Host (Mary) Making him Of Father and Mother only, In that incarnation. Jesus has been down 120 times. That incarnation was his last.

Mother and Father do not Manifest bodies and have sex with their spirit children. The Holy Spirit Is Mother, She placed The egg in sisters womb, Not Father.

I will post The conversation I had with Father and Mother concerning This quiery, But in another thread as not to derail this one any further.

Love Omnaka