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dcman
These things seem to be picking on the UK as of late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLdmQXVgNzE&NR=1
iSeeDeadPpl!
Why shouldn't we believe this
FireMoon
In a quiet way, that interview is pretty ground breaking. That is the first time i have ever seen the BBC interview someone like that on the subject of UFOs without it being being almost, a "comedy routine" at times. Even if the main interview is not poking fun, if gently, there is nearly always some stupid joke after it, as if to say, "But we all know it's really just rubbish"...

Fascinating stuff...
anarkhy

They might be out of material. Is not the first time the big media talks about ufos. Is a subject which always catch people attention, from times to times they bring it back to gain some audience.

Extinction
Not believing it... Damn English...
Syntax
well the state of the UK UFO research projects could be comparable to those of the United States...

Project Sign, Project Grudge and Project Blue Blook (only one was made public) were nothing more than 'Slush' piles were UAP sightings were bundled and thrown so the process of effectively managing the armed forces could be maintained. As a result, all of these projects were poorly staffed, henceforth poorly researched and poorly maintained and no real conclusions of evidence drawn.

There was a brilliant book simply called UFO: The UFO phenomenon over Great Britain (1977) (I can't remember the author and I can't find the book online - i'll retrieve it later) which highlighted the Ministery of Defence's UFO research project. This video seems to correlate to the summary of this book, and that is simply that the military believes the UFO phenomenon is real and is present, but simply does not have the time or resources to investigate it fully.

I think a similar conclusion can be drawn with the United States research projects. I doubt very much anyone in the military can doubt the validity of Unidentified Flying Objects penetrating US airspace....they will always let themselves down because they are simply using the same old 'slush piles' to store the evidence and reports. Of course nothing is achieved. Dr Allen Hynek's review of the military UFO research projects was scathing, not because the military were cold, calculated and super secretive....more so because they were bumbling idiots who didn't know the first thing about what they were trying to research.

Actually it reminds me that there was a UFO study undertaken by the UK Ministery of Defence in 1950. Air Marshall Lord Dowding (the man who masterminded the Battle Of Britain in 1940) presented the findings himself. The conclusion was that UFO's were mostly "intangible, could render themselves invisible and were immortal" (Keel, Operation Trojan Horse 1972). I will try and find a copy of this report to post up.

Regardless...interesting video!
FireMoon
It wasn't UFOs a British Viewpoint by Jenny Randles and Peter Warrington was it?
DONTEATUS
US F-15 Fighter jets and an audio transscript thats perty good on an Unidentified object I would say I bet sky posted this one a hundred times already? Sky?
dcman
QUOTE (FireMoon @ Jun 27 2008, 01:59 AM) *
In a quiet way, that interview is pretty ground breaking. That is the first time i have ever seen the BBC interview someone like that on the subject of UFOs without it being being almost, a "comedy routine" at times. Even if the main interview is not poking fun, if gently, there is nearly always some stupid joke after it, as if to say, "But we all know it's really just rubbish"...

Fascinating stuff...



I believe it is the beginning of disclosure. Using mainstream media is a serious fasion, not poking fun, and start presenting facts. Prelude to what? What's coming that they know about that has them talking now? Why now?
anarkhy

With all high resolution cameras available today i cant believe the military dont have resources to identify extraterrestrials visiting earth.

All they need to do is equip all military planes with some good cameras, and the next time one object were caught on radar take pictures of it, or use those damn spy satellites...

anarkhy

I do like this guy in the interview, a believer who is not a wacko like that greer...


iSeeDeadPpl!
ya I like the guy i the interview. He's more rational, and probably the reason BBC didn't make fun of him
DONTEATUS
Do you ever think that the government does have good pics? Its why the public needs a answer I think we can handle the news. alien.gif DONTEATUS
SamWhiteHopi
The celestials have been waiting years for the governments to be honest with the world. But it is obvious to all that disclosure is not something the US government will do. Probably the only reason they are sort of hinting in various places about their existence or knowing about all the ‘visits’ an even the fact of ETs living on earth is they know the celestials are going to soon make their appearance and there isn’t a thing they can do about it. That day all governments loose their power over the minds of humanity. Humankind will see how much governments have been hiding throughout the ages and how controlled humankind has been. Controlled and repressed and lead down a path to near destruction.

For now it seems sightings are going to intensify so as to gently ease man into the inevitable and not scare the living day lights out of most. Most people know deep down humankind has been observed for ages. If the celestials observing us wanted to take over the planet to do harm or take it over they would have done it years ago before mankind caused so much destruction. But they have been giving mankind the opportunity to care for each other. But this hasn’t happened. So now they can come in to assist as they have been asked and what happens on earth will affect the whole of creation. And since history of the ancients indicate they are kin why shouldn’t they feel love and desire to assist?

Love and peace,
Sam (White Hopi)
Graylady
QUOTE (DONTEATUS @ Jun 27 2008, 02:14 AM) *
Do you ever think that the government does have good pics? Its why the public needs a answer I think we can handle the news. alien.gif DONTEATUS


no you shouldn't say WE can handle you can say I CAN HANDLE the truth...remember not everyone watches TV, newspapers, Radio and INTERNET....

The best way to actually disclose is in UN SPEECH where all leaders from all over the world will be bonded together...Its a perfect place...
FireMoon
QUOTE (DONTEATUS @ Jun 27 2008, 03:14 AM) *
Do you ever think that the government does have good pics? Its why the public needs a answer I think we can handle the news. alien.gif DONTEATUS



This in one of the reasons i ask people to read some of the older UFO books that come with less of an agenda. It was a fairly common occurrence for people to submit still pictures of UFOs for the government to *lose* them, or for them simply to vanish under the veil of "official secrecy".

There were more than a few cases reported, where people were sure they took a clear picture of an object, sometimes relatively close up, only for them to be told. "Oh there was nothing on the film when we processed it and we lost it"
seax
QUOTE (Graylady @ Jun 27 2008, 02:32 AM) *
no you shouldn't say WE can handle you can say I CAN HANDLE the truth...remember not everyone watches TV, newspapers, Radio and INTERNET....

The best way to actually disclose is in UN SPEECH where all leaders from all over the world will be bonded together...Its a perfect place...



GrayLady I know you mean well, but that might not be such a good idea. Do you really want the UN to represent you to ET?
They can't pass out relief food here on Earth much less deal with ET.

best regards,
seax cool.gif
anarkhy

But we dont depend of the government anymore or the UN or CNN... its impossible to censure the internet. Why the contactees dont post their alien pictures here? Make a interview with them and post on youtube, or a torrent site and its done.



someoldguy
I thought it was an excellent, very candid interview.

Here is the page for the UFO site of the MOD (Ministry of Defence) that was being referred to:

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomO...2007InTheUk.htm


I really like the UK's Freedom of Information policy.


vindicatedmeh
well I think that BBc interview is reliable and sensible.....not rubbish at all....come to think of it,he'll not speak about some bull...it means that he knows what he's talking about...He's a professional and would not destroy his morality by saying some stupid things..... original.gif
vindicatedmeh
QUOTE (someoldguy @ Jun 27 2008, 05:12 AM) *
I thought it was an excellent, very candid interview.

Here is the page for the UFO site of the MOD (Ministry of Defence) that was being referred to:

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomO...2007InTheUk.htm


I really like the UK's Freedom of Information policy.

oh yeah it is very excellent.....
Nephilim_Slayer
QUOTE (dcman @ Jun 27 2008, 12:41 AM) *
These things seem to be picking on the UK as of late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLdmQXVgNzE&NR=1



Slowly but surely taking progression steps to desensitize us to what is probably some kind of UFO invasion that will probably happen real soon.
hocus
they are putting it on news and in the media and opening up the mod ufo files etc because something big is going to happen soon and this is the goverments way of easing the truth into the publc.
iSeeDeadPpl!
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they are putting it on news and in the media and opening up the mod ufo files etc because something big is going to happen soon and this is the goverments way of easing the truth into the publc.


thats EXACTLY what I was thinking. Maybe something with 2012? tongue.gif
chemical-licker
just waiting for chris french now rolleyes.gif
Syntax
QUOTE (hocus @ Jun 27 2008, 10:26 PM) *
they are putting it on news and in the media and opening up the mod ufo files etc because something big is going to happen soon and this is the goverments way of easing the truth into the publc.


who are they? the person in question in the video is an ex public servant, no longer with a government department.

Secondly, if we are to take what this man is saying at face value it means the UK Government still have no idea what they are chasing or tracking through the skies at night.

As many research projects, Majestic 12's, Blue Books and Philadelphia experiments can be created as you like....without proper resources, time and interest to keep them going how are they expected to reach conclusions.

This video has done nothing to persuade me the governments of the world know great detail about the UFO phenomenon, actually it's done quite the opposite.
someoldguy
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This video has done nothing to persuade me the governments of the world know great detail about the UFO phenomenon, actually it's done quite the opposite.


I'm not sure what I was seeing in the video, but I also agree with this viewpoint about UFO's.

(A tether two or three nautical miles wide???)
hocus
QUOTE (Syntax @ Jun 28 2008, 12:11 AM) *
who are they? the person in question in the video is an ex public servant, no longer with a government department.

Secondly, if we are to take what this man is saying at face value it means the UK Government still have no idea what they are chasing or tracking through the skies at night.

As many research projects, Majestic 12's, Blue Books and Philadelphia experiments can be created as you like....without proper resources, time and interest to keep them going how are they expected to reach conclusions.

This video has done nothing to persuade me the governments of the world know great detail about the UFO phenomenon, actually it's done quite the opposite.



THEY. are the people above the goverment for example someone really high up in the nsa or cia mod or mi6.i beleive out of all the worlds secret agencies the american agencies no the most on the subject. i would say that the top heads in the nsa cia etc know probably more about aliens than the official goverment do and possibly call the alot of the shots and just get the goverment to publicise them and make it look like its there decisions.
Syntax
QUOTE (hocus @ Jun 28 2008, 08:40 PM) *
THEY. are the people above the goverment for example someone really high up in the nsa or cia mod or mi6.i beleive out of all the worlds secret agencies the american agencies no the most on the subject. i would say that the top heads in the nsa cia etc know probably more about aliens than the official goverment do and possibly call the alot of the shots and just get the goverment to publicise them and make it look like its there decisions.


Oh I understand your original definition of who they are, I just wondered how you were able to come to the conclusions in your original post (Government Disclosure) when the individual in question is no longer part of a government organisation (at least in a UFO capacity)?

For instance, an ex employee blows the whistle on a Postal scam being run by the American postal service, in that instance you couldn't say it was a Postal Service disclosure, because the information came from a third party outside of the organisation who had knowledge of the scams inner workings.

This is not new in the UFO field, pick up and read a book by Donald Keyhoe or J Allen Hynek, their findings were published over 30 years ago.....they couldn't catch the UFO's then, why could they do it now?

Keyhoe was a top ranked Air Force official who decided to take matters into his own hands and publish sensitive UFO reports, the same can be said for Hynek who was a consultant on Project Blue Book. His Blue Book summary (The Hynek UFO Report) features hundreds of those cases for perusal, as well as his expert summary of the Military UFo research projects.
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Syntax @ Jun 28 2008, 01:11 AM) *
who are they? the person in question in the video is an ex public servant, no longer with a government department.

Secondly, if we are to take what this man is saying at face value it means the UK Government still have no idea what they are chasing or tracking through the skies at night.

As many research projects, Majestic 12's, Blue Books and Philadelphia experiments can be created as you like....without proper resources, time and interest to keep them going how are they expected to reach conclusions.

This video has done nothing to persuade me the governments of the world know great detail about the UFO phenomenon, actually it's done quite the opposite.



I suspect this too. They have no answers for us and that is the big part of the problem.

The public will demand answers and I feel there is practically nothing to disclose except their existence.
Amberlight
Well, until they actually come down for a cup of coffee I'm not worrying about it.
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Omnaka
Its sad that It had the warning tape across the interview.
Like Contact is gonna be a war of the worlds type thing.

Maybe I've not met the big dark aliens everyone says is doing horificthings , nBut I do know some good one's, and this propaganda is amazing, but won't matter once They have made them selves known.

How do we send a Gold record claiming peace and Love out in to spac3e, and when they do visit we scramble jets to shoot them down, Go Figure.
Me thinks some of the shooters are actually sons of the Alien They are shooting at.

Nothing is as it seems.

Love Omnaka
someoldguy
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they couldn't catch the UFO's then, why could they do it now?



They have been trying, though, but it's so far been like trying to catch up with a Ferrari by means of a tricycle!
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I do agree with the statement that the governments of the world know little more than we "peons" about the UFO phenomenon. The perception by the public that the "government knows more than it is telling" is actually a strength in its favor, instead of a weakness. This idea suggests that the governments secretly know what UFO's are and will take care of us civilians in case ET makes some kind of hostile move. Sadly, this is likely not the case at all.

Scary? You bet it's scary!
Syntax
QUOTE (someoldguy @ Jun 29 2008, 05:25 PM) *
They have been trying, though, but it's so far been like trying to catch up with a Ferrari by means of a tricycle!
grin2.gif

I do agree with the statement that the governments of the world know little more than we "peons" about the UFO phenomenon. The perception by the public that the "government knows more than it is telling" is actually a strength in its favor, instead of a weakness. This idea suggests that the governments secretly know what UFO's are and will take care of us civilians in case ET makes some kind of hostile move. Sadly, this is likely not the case at all.

Scary? You bet it's scary!


I totally agree.

I'm not sure what's scarier, the Government keeping us in the dark about the UFO phenomenon....or knowing they are powerless to stop intruders into our airspace who have free reign to do what they will?
Omnaka
QUOTE (Syntax @ Jun 29 2008, 08:41 AM) *
I totally agree.

I'm not sure what's scarier, the Government keeping us in the dark about the UFO phenomenon....or knowing they are powerless to stop intruders into our airspace who have free reign to do what they will?

Intruders?

What makes you think they have not been here all along?

Love Omnaka
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Syntax @ Jun 29 2008, 09:41 AM) *
I totally agree.

I'm not sure what's scarier, the Government keeping us in the dark about the UFO phenomenon....or knowing they are powerless to stop intruders into our airspace who have free reign to do what they will?



I agree. But this has been going on so long that I feel they are up to nothing but observing us or something here for now.

Lets hope if they have any intentions that they are benign.

They could have done with us what they see fit.

I get the impression we are like an ant farm or fish tank to them.

We may not have the emotional/mental capabilities to deal with them and they know this.

But sometimes I feel that they are genetically engineered or partially technologically (OR BOTH) engineered by others for space/time travel to research & observe us

I have a suspicion that they had a hand in making who we are today.
someoldguy
QUOTE
I'm not sure what's scarier, the Government keeping us in the dark about the UFO phenomenon....or knowing they are powerless to stop intruders into our airspace who have free reign to do what they will?


They're both pretty scary IMO.

But I think (okay, hope) this is also likely:

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Lets hope if they have any intentions that they are benign.

They could have done with us what they see fit.


And I'm starting to agree with this point:

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What makes you think they have not been here all along?


Very possible!

Hey, I'm glad you guys posted all this, so that all I had to do was copy and paste!

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hocus
QUOTE (Syntax @ Jun 29 2008, 08:41 AM) *
I totally agree.

I'm not sure what's scarier, the Government keeping us in the dark about the UFO phenomenon....or knowing they are powerless to stop intruders into our airspace who have free reign to do what they will?


yeah this is a chlling thought. even if the goverment did decide to try and protect its citizens. the alien technology would be far to superior for anything we have.
i reckon if the goverment ever do admit the existence of aliens it will just before there about to invade and i do believe this will happen soon.
hocus
the tunguska event was in the daily mail ( uk paper) today. as i see it just more evidence that the goverment are preparing us for aliens. why would you bring up an event that happened in 1908 and it says in the article that it may have bin aliens trying to make contact with us.
Sag!ttarius
QUOTE (hocus @ Jul 3 2008, 01:18 PM) *
the tunguska event was in the daily mail ( uk paper) today. as i see it just more evidence that the goverment are preparing us for aliens. why would you bring up an event that happened in 1908 and it says in the article that it may have bin aliens trying to make contact with us.


Quite a few stories lately about it, being the 100th aniversary. The one that really got me wondering was from Space.com, which 99.9% of the articles are strictly scientific. The other day, I was flabergasted when they wrote the Tunguska story with possible explanations and, sacrilege for mainstream scientists, they mentionned a UFO exlosion and my favorite, Tesla's power experiment gone awry, trying to beam power to his partners in the high artic. Couldn't believe they published it... grin2.gif
Aanica
QUOTE (dcman @ Jun 26 2008, 08:28 PM) *
I believe it is the beginning of disclosure. Using mainstream media is a serious fashion, not poking fun, and start presenting facts. Prelude to what? What's coming that they know about that has them talking now? Why now?
I agree with you on this one, when the pope is telling 1/6 of the worlds religious populous that its OK to believe in ET its a prelude to a bigger announcement..... alien.gif
Shadow_Wolf
Shame the clip is over a year old... Was Pope promoting his sci-fi books at the time?
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Jun 29 2008, 09:09 AM) *
Intruders?

What makes you think they have not been here all along?

Love Omnaka


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