Okay, I have a suggestion about Roswell. I have been thinking of this for a couple days now and I am starting to draw conclusions from it... We all know the story about the "UFO" that crashed in the farmers field ouside of Roswell, and this I honestly do not doubt... And we all know that recently the mans son made an appearance on television and stated that his father was told not to tell anything with the threat of death, and this I also do not question... but what sparked this whole theory is how they would allow him on television now and supposedly tell the whole truth. It is my consideration that he is not telling or has not been told what I have made out to make more sense of this whole ordeal and why it still feels like much more is missing from the story. I honestly would not doubt if human beings were saw either in or evacuating the craft after it crashed in the farmers field. I draw this conclusion because I have conclusions on how a "UFO" moves and how it is powered. Mind you I am 19 years old and I am no aeronautical engineer, but I do have common sense and I have a tendency to question absolutely everything and draw my own conclusions. I derived this theory from Einsteins equation E=mc2 and I think that how a "UFO" moves is in the same ballpark as why a cigar tube would float upwards if drug to the bottom of a pool and let go. It is my theory that a "UFO" moves from some sort of device within the craft that can condense space from any angle of the craft and compell itself to move in any direction it chooses. This would explain how a craft is able to turn at literally any angle at any speed in any element, and the disc shape. In theory, it would also need a limitless fuel source and for those of you that did notice, a man has recently discovered cold fusion. We were only told once though and now the government denies it, and I believe it is for a very good cause when you really think about it, what would happen to the atmosphere if everyone had a vehicle powered by cold fusion? We would have about a week to live when you consider how many operating vehicles are in the entire world every second of every day. So my conclusion is... that what happened in Roswell was not a "UFO" crashing and aliens being discovered, but a failed science experiment due to the fact that they either did not have cold fusion perfected yet, or just a technical difficulty. Also take into consideration how close the actual crash site was to a millitary base : )

The Roswell incdent had nothing to do with any classified project of the military since the military was unaware that there was a crash.

It's peculiar to me how most of the so-called Roswell reports didn't come out fully blown as the "Roswell Incident" until somewhere near 1980, some 33 years after the fact.

This "incident" has certainly proved to be very profitable also.

Talking of Roswell, has anyone ever seen the DVD made by the Discovery Channel, called. Mystery files "Aliens and UFO's it was free in the paper (Daily Mirror) a good few months back?

I'm not so sure. i heard an interesting theory which I may tell you about some time.

Very true. Roswell is probably our best example of something that has become morphed and mutated by media and fabrication over time. Even if something happened there, it's gotten blown out of proportion so much over the years.

No doubt something did happen, but it's not the way the Roswell profiteers want it. From what I gather there were probably as many as three incidents that became congealed as the "Roswell Incident." But, yes, they certainly did get blown out of proportion!

The first was the object that Mr. Brazel found in 1947. The men who worked on the 1947 project for the military have even come forward telling how they assembled it.

The others had to do with testing for very high altitude parachutes in the mid 1950s. (That's where the "alien bodies" idea came from.) I think the government claims that the "alien bodies" were something like crash-test dummies (not the 90s band, however ) But I disagree. (I have an idea, but that's all it is.)

You have some proof of this claim?? I've never heard of this one before........

yeah, they didnt have test dummies back then. they only came in around the 50s.
besides, whats up with the AAF ordering 3 childrens caskets after the crash?

We still don't.

Is there objective (army records, or anything along those lines--as opposed to the Berlitz/Randle, et al type) of evidence they did that?

I always wondered why the government would ask a local mortician about the condition of bodies left in the desert. You'd think they'd have their own expertise to draw on. They did for everything else--why pull more people onto the stage than is necessary to keep the secret?

OK...

I think it was chimpanzees that were used in the parachute tests.
But I don't know that for sure.




I honestly don't have any proof currently. I'm doing this from memory. But it pertained to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul

The material that they used was said to be a metallized nylon, or possibly some kind of prototype of Mylar. (Mylar was created by the DuPont corporation, which had worked with the military for years.)
Whatever the material was, it would have been entirely unfamiliar to the average person in 1947.

Most of this was brought out very well on a recent TV show (History Channel? Discovery?) so I'll have to do some digging to find it.

dont work for them, so i cant answer the second part of your post. but im not sure about the first part. if youre reffering to the test dummies, then yes that can be proven. for the caskets? its more, word of mouth i beleive. unless records of that mortition place can be taken. if they keep them.

No, I'm not referring to the test dummies.

It seems Glen Dennis has just his word on that. That doesn't strike anyone as strange?

I do believe Project Mogul was blown to smithereens some time ago as a possible catalyst for the Roswell incident - I think Sky has info on this.

Whatever it was.. Skyeagle is known for only keeping "evidence" that supports his fantasy...and dropping the rest. In other words..-NASA-The Government- or the USAF in this case, cant be trusted...except for that first press release of course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Roswell...uly8%2C1947.jpg

Oh, I'm sure that there are plenty of fantasy and fiction writers and thinkers that can fabricate any amount of "evidence" to refute what's already come out--sixty years after the fact! Some people have made quite a bit money doing that very thing.

Look, if it floats your boat to believe the UFO version, it's no skin off my nose. The small towns around Roswell have done very well because of the tourists, so the UFO story has been a good thing for them. And, after all, it really doesn't matter anymore.

But I, personally, choose to believe the sensible version. Of Roswell, let's just say that I am, and will remain, a complete skeptic.

Lucky for us, we have the copy of the original headline, otherwise, the UFO debunkers will simply claim that there were no such news release from the Air Force in 1947, but then again, they are great for getting the facts and other things all wrong anyway, so do I have to post some references to prove my point?

Apparently, over the years, we have found that the Roswell incident isn't a fantasy after all. The only fantasies are the Air Force's cover-up stories for its own initial flying saucer recovery news report.

The first report of the flying saucer in the sky in the general area, didn't come from the Air Force, but a civilian whose report made it to the news room just before the report of the Air Force, so now, it is evident that something extraordinary happened at Roswell since it has now been revealed that there were two crash sites, not one, and that coming from the former commanding officer at Wright-Patterson AFB.

You must remember, that the Air Force was responsible for the headlines, which stated that it captured a flying saucer; not the City of Roswell. In other words, Roswell is just a beneficiary of the Air Force's flying saucer report.



Whiat is the "sensible version" that you are speaking of?

Not according to the Air Force report.




Project Mogul has been done to death by the media. Debunkers cite it as the obvious answer to the Roswell enigma. However, it has already been proven that Project Mogul had absolutely nothing to do with Roswell. The material and location was wrong, first of all. Not a single individual that handled the debris said it was of this Earth with the exception of Sheridan Cavitt who said it would easily fit into the trunk of a car. This, of course, contradicts the size of Project Mogul. Cavitt was merely attempting to conform to the original cover story that the debris was caused by a downed weather balloon.

Engineer Robert A. Galganski did a mathematical analysis of the surface area of the Mogul balloon trains Flight 4 and Flight 9 comparative to the size of the reported debris field. Even allowing for an immense margin of error, Mogul is an absolute mathematical impossibility (see here). Perhaps I should also note that Mogul balloon trains had been recovered and returned by ordinary civilians in several instances -- no debriefing of witnesses or intense effort to cover-up. They had reward tags and questionnaires attached to them. It was also later determined that Flight 4, the flight favored by debunkers as the probable cause of the Roswell debris field, never even flew; it was canceled.

Whatever crashed near Roswell in 1947 is still being covered up. It certainly wasn't Project Mogul, we know that much. Nick Redferns hypothesis that a post-WW2 program used the deformed and crippled bodies of adults and children in biological and nuclear experiments and that an advanced, prototype aircraft built and flown by the US military crashed in the New Mexico desert and on-board were a number of human bodies that were exposed to the aircraft’s deadly radioactive cargo is the only logical alternative explanation at this point, but even that theory has its many flaws.

Take a look at what those same scientst and engineers who were involved in balloon experiments over the White Sands, New Mexico, and what else they were observing. Now, read the rest of the story!

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http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Mogul_UFOs.html
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Now, check out this report and note that objects were observed hovering around 200 miles above Earth..

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Alamogor...O_Aug_1947.html


Check this out!

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HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER
by Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN

In its January issue TRUE said that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Its story was widely supported by the nation's press and radio. TRUE's findings are here confirmed by Commander McLaughlin, a rocket expert at White Sands Proving Ground, who worked independently of this magazine's investigation.

He reveals how a troup of Navy men and scientists tracked a flying disk with a precision instrument and tells of flights he and others witnessed.

http://www.nicap.org/true-mc.htm
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The Air Force made up that story out of thin air!

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Dummies Weren't Classified, Says Retired Colonel

The Associated Press

GRANTS — A retired Air Force officer says he worked with high techcrash test dummies in the 1950s, and that there's no way they'd be
confused with aliens described in rumors arising from the Roswell

Incident.

Lt. Col. (Ret.) Raymond A. Madson said he isn't buying the latest Air Force explanation of what occurred in Roswell in July 1947. The
Pentagon issued a report this week saying the Air Force believes crash test dummies used in the 1950s were mistaken for the rumored
1947 aliens and suggesting that UFO buffs just got their dates mixed up.

Madson, 66, who now lives near Grants, said he was project officer for Project High Dive at Holloman Air Force Base for four years starting
in the 1950s. He told the Grants newspaper, the Cibola County Beacon, that the Project High Dive dummies were used to test problems pilots might
encounter with the ejection mechanisms for bailing out of new generation jet aircraft.

Madson said he sent photographs of Project High Dive dummies to the Pentagon for inclusion in the Air Force document issued this week,
'The Roswell Report: Case Closed.' But he said the dummies do not match the descriptions of the very small, almost childlike beings purported
to have been seen in 1947 near Roswell.

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They didn't Glen Dennis has been proven to speak much rubbish of the incident. Remember Nurse something.....what was her name, ohh yeah, she doesn't actually exist..............


Once again, it was never supposed to be the same incident.

You have to stop ommiting the bulk of the report buddy. Aubrey has tabs on that tactic


This remark



that you base this misunderstanding on is preceeded by this very important clause

The conclusions of the additional research are:
l Air Force activities which occurred over a period of many years have been consolidated and are now represented to have occurred in two or three days in July 1947.

and followed by




Then skip dopwn to page 27 and read this



It is very clear the dummies connection between Mogul and Roswell is purely a "believer" tale. The above is copied and pasted directly from the Air Forces 1997 report that you keep saying states the aliens were in balloons. It does not, it never did, that was made up by people like Aubrey.

It is not a true statement, and you know it, why do you keep asking questions that you know are fabricatrions? You are better than that? You do not knowingly spread mistruths.

Please answer yourself this time Mulder, I am not directing this to Aubrey, nor am I interested in the re-written reports that he will post claiming it is the AF report, or the badly hacked part reports taken out of context. The above is copied and pasted direct, if you would like a .pdf copy for yourself, PM me. I will forward you one to peruse so you can read it yourself and stop spreading untruths.

It's there in black and white buddy. You always say you want the truth, here it is. Are you going to take it? Page references are there, are you going to read the document this time, or stick with Aubrey's more popular version? I grant it is a more action packed read, if not at all accurate.

PS. I notice we now have a member Scully You two met yet?

Yeah, Galganski would know more the Proffessor Moore, seemimg as he based his studies on old records, as opposed to actually being there like Moore, so Moore must be wrong
What verification is there if the debris field? None. So you are using hearsay to reach a firm conclusion? Interesting to say the least.

Of course civillians would find the balloon trains. How did you think they were going to hide 600 foot objects? invisible paint? The data that was transmited was secret. Nobody gave a rodents rectum about the balloons. Who cares about a bank when all the money is gone?

Yesh, right! Over the years, I have been proven as correct that no balloon of any kind was responsible for the Roswell incident. And, that no test dummies and accident victims of the 1950's were not the alien beings people saw in 1947.

In fact, we have found that all of the Air Force's cover stories on Roswell, are false, and that leaves only the Air Force's initial report of a captured flying saucer, intact.

And, there were never a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 either, which simply means the Air Force lied again in claiming that a Mogul balloon flight #4 was responsible for the Roswell incident.



You seem to have forgotten that the Air Force's 1997 Roswell Report is false as well. Didn't you even bothered to read what has been posted already???

I guess not since UFO debunkers tend to overlook many things in regards to UFOs, including the evidence.

That is false!! The amazing thing about that is, you knew it since I posted the following before and I am very sure you've read it over and over, because I posted it over and over, which simply means that you are trying to pull the wool over those in this thread, and exposing what UFO debunkers are all about, becomes evident when the facts come rolling in, and that is, the Air Force and others had released information on Mogul balloon experiments in newspapers around the country and Mogul balloons were never classified and look what you posted!!

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http://www.roswellproof.com/files/princetn.jpg


http://www.roswellproof.com/Trenton_Evenin...mes_7-14-47.jpg

]PRINCETON --- The equipment attached to a chain of 28 balloons set aloft here by the Naval Ordnance Laboratory on the Princeton University campus was recovered yesterday in Essex County and returned to the university for further study of the results of the experiment.

Despite the failure of the equipment to function perfectly because of a mechanical defect, Dr. Lloyd G. Lewis, in charge of the ascension, said he considered the experiment successful in that the instruments had remained well above 85,000 feet for more than three hours, and had been recovered for further study.

The purpose of the experiment was to obtain information about nuclear explosions induced by cosmic rays, and the work is being done by Princeton University for the Office of Naval Research. The equipment, which, it was feared, might be carried out to sea, was found by Ben Thompson of Haskell, N. J., and Fred Hammond of Sussex, N. J., and turned over to the State Police Headquarters in Essex County, whence it was sent here.

New York Herald Tribune, July 13

28 Balloons Fail To Send Reports on Cosmic Rays

False again!!

Even the former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB has now confirmed two crash sites relating to the Roswell incdient and look what you posted!




And, they were given rewards after answering questionnaires attached on Mogul balloons that were written in spanish and english. In other words, ordinary civilians were invited to add their own imput to the Mogul balloon data.

Rancher Sid West, was one of those who had recovered a Mogul balloon train, and it wasn't until the next day that two men were sent to pick up the Mogul balloon remains, which simply means that Mogul balloons were not classified after all, and in fact, some were left out in open fields and one was even vandalzed as it lay next to a roadway.

The UFO debunkers also blew it there, I might add, because they didn't do their homework, which is typical.

In order to force-fit the Mogul hypothesis we would have to throw out Marcel's testimony entirely.

A rectangular field shape is implicit—but by no means certain—in Marcel’s description. For that configuration, the debris would have littered an area equal to 250 ft (average width) x 4,000 ft (about ¾ of a mile) long = 1,000,000 ft2 (nearly 23 acres). . . .

The unknown debris distribution is approximated by equations which attempt to simulate the major elements contained in the most reliable first-statement, firsthand, and secondhand witness testimony. My objective was to generate a conservative approximation of that pattern—one that would estimate the smallest possible amount of on-ground thin-shell material—to minimize the risk of unfairly biasing the evaluation outcome against the Mogul hypothesis.

. . . The model's parabolic field has the same overall dimensions described by Major Marcel: 250 feet wide (at its far end) by 4,000 feet long. But it encompasses only 667,000 ft2 (about 15 acres) of pasture, 33% less ground area than that contained in the rectangular configuration. . . .

Let Area 1 denote the model-estimated surface area of on-ground, thin-shell debris. This parameter . . . is equal to 6,880 ft2. . . .

To give the Mogul hypothesis a fighting chance, assume that all three targets landed on the pasture and were broken apart and shredded into pieces of varying size. The total laminate surface area (Area 2) is equal to 3 targets x 18 ft2 / target = 54 ft2. . . .

Compare the two surface areas by dividing Area 1 by Area 2. We obtain 6,880 ft2 / 54 ft2 = 127.4. This number tells us that it would take more than 127 Flight 4 balloon trains — more than 381 radar targets — to litter the field! Mercy. . . .

The model’s debris coverage density is 6,880 ft2 / 667,000 ft2 = 0.0103 (1.03% overall coverage)—at the lower end of the arbitrary acceptable range. Nearly 99% of the simulated field is debris-free or uncovered, confirming the desired conservative nature of the model. . . .

Roswell detractors might say that my analysis is flawed because decades-old eyewitness testimony is factored into the debris-field model. Because Major Marcel’s large field-size estimate constitutes a vital input to the model, it is a likely target for critics. They might claim that he grossly overestimated the field size . . .

The smallest length listed in Table 1—250 feet —assumes that Marcel completely butchered his estimate, imagining the debris to be scattered over an area 16 times longer than it actually was. Even for this mind-numbing scenario—a pasture with less area than a football field—it would still take 10 Mogul Flight 4 launches to supply the thin-shell material found on the ground. Alternatively, one Mogul train would account for only 10% of the debris.

Source

Which is indeed my point. Obviously none of the Roswell witnesses knew anything of the mission of Mogul. The great lengths to which the government went to interrogate and silence all witnesses, and desperately attempt to retrieve every last fragment of the balloon train is highly suspicious to say the very least, not to mention the destruction of records concerning Roswell activities during the relevant time period [GAO search conclusion]. The manner with which the government went about dealing with the incident is highly suspect. It is certainly an atypical response for dealing with the recovery of a Mogul balloon by an average civilian.

Speaking of Charles Moore, did you know his UFO sighting was printed in LIFE magazine?

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LIFE MAGAZINE, April 7, 1952

HAVE WE VISITORS FROM SPACE?

The Air Force is now ready to concede that many saucer and fireball sightings still defy explanation; here LIFE offers some scientific evidence that there is a real case for interplanetary saucers.



INCIDENT 3.

On April 24,1949 at 10:20 a.m., a group of five technicians under the general supervision of J. Gordon Vaeth, an aeronautical engineer employed by the Office of Naval Research, were preparing to launch a Skyhook balloon near Arrey, N. Mex. A small balloon was sent up first to check the weather. Charles B. Moore Jr., an aerologist of General Mills Inc. (pioneers in cosmic ray research) was tracking the weather balloon through a theodolite -- a 25-power telescopic instrument, which gives degrees of azimuth and elevation (horizontal and vertical position) for any object it is sighted on.

At 10:30 a.m. Moore leaned back from the theodolite to glance at the balloon with his naked eye. Suddenly he saw a whitish elliptical object, apparently much higher than the balloon, and moving, in the opposite direction. At once he picked the object up in his theodolite at 45 degrees of elevation and 210 degrees of azimuth, and tracked it east at the phenomenal rate of 5 d of azimuth-change per second as it dropped swiftly to an elevation of 25 d.

The Object appeared to be an ellipsoid roughly two and a half times as long as it was wide. Suddenly it swung abruptly upward and rushed out of sight in a few seconds. Moore had tracked it for about 60 seconds altogether. The other members of his crew confirmed his report. No sound was heard, no vapor trail was seen.

The object, according to rough estimations by Moore and his colleagues, was about 56 miles above the earth, 100 feet long and was traveling at seven miles per second.

The version to the effect that there was not a UFO crash and not any "alien body recovery" in July of 1947.



Big, big problem: There was no US Air Force in July of 1947. The Air Force didn't become a separate entity of the Armed Forces until September of that year, or soon afterward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force

Even if there had been a continuing investigation after the original incident, which there apparently wasn't, this would have still been conducted by the US Army, not by another branch of service. Moreover, it makes absolutely no sense that the crash of a vessel of unknown origin would have been concluded and carted off as quickly as described.

And the one responsible for that original sensationalist news report was US Army Major Marcel himself, not the Lieutenant attributed to the stories. (The lieutenant, being a low-level officer, would have undoubtedly had to have acted on a higher authority before he released that report to the press. And IIRC the major was the ranking officer on the scene at the time.) Major Marcel apparently couldn't have realized what an enormous can of worms he'd opened with that original story. I'm reasonably sure that it wouldn't be long before he came to regret it.

That is not what the folks at Wright-Patterson AFB were saying. They said the Roswell craft was extraterrestrial and Senator Barry Goldwater wanted to take a look, but was turned down.





The problem for UFO debunkers is that there was an Air Force in 1947. I was once attached to 13th Air Force.

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13th Air Force History
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Thirteenth Air Force was constituted on 14 December 1942, and activated in New Caledonia in the French Loyalty Islands on 13 January 1943. It engaged in combat in the Pacific during World War II. Since World War II, it has provided air defense in the Far East, primarily the Philippines, until the 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo forced the closure of Clark AB. Numerous Thirteenth Air Force organizations participated in Southeast Asia combat operations in the 1960s and 1970s. In 2005, the 13AF was retooled and renamed for General George Kenney, commander of the air operations in the South Pacific during World War II.
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The commanding officer who gave the order, was Colonel William Blanchard, not Marcel. Marcel would not have the authority to order such a release to the publc.

I saw a documentary where testers(of some vehicle or another) used human cadavers instead of dummies for more accurate test results.
Perhaps those bodies discovered at roswell were those of human children and the mortician was asked about their condition for an independant opinion.

There was an Air Force as of September 1947.
The Roswell incident occurred in July of 1947.





Another big, big problem: Barry Goldwater was not a US senator until some 6 years after the 1947 Roswell incident:



(Goldwater took office as a senator in 1953. He didn't enter politics until 1949, when he was elected as a city councilman in Phoenix, Arizona.)

Moreover, being a major general of the USAAF (US Army Air Forces) as of 1947, he would have clearly been able to go anywhere he wished on the base.

This is just more proof that the popularized "Roswell Incident" was a concoction of several different events, albeit in the same area, which occurred over several years.

US Army Air Force; not a separate US Air Force.

pedantic, yes, I know, but.

The trouble with the "secret aircarft" hypothesis is that it seems even less plausible than the spacecraft one. Every protototype and experiemental aircraft ever even thought about by any nation, including Germany, the US, even the USSR now, is known about; even those that only existed as doodles on the back of an envelope, let alone which actually flew, can be found in any number of books. The Skunk Works projects, for instance; Have Blue and the F-117 prototypes. However secret they were at the time, they're known about now. So I find it hard to imagine that there might still be some project that was so secret back then that it still is today. Whatever the technology that may have been involved, however advanced it may have been then, surely it would have been way overtaken by now, so why would they still need to keep it a secret?

OK. I was thinking it was Marcel that took the heat from his superiors over that story, but I could have misunderstood something. From what I understand, I don't think the brass were particularly fond of this story, to say the least of it.

And if the US Army Air Forces was considered a separate entity from the Army by July of 1947, I stand corrected. But President Truman didn't authorize the creation of the Air Force until July 26 of that year, a couple of weeks after the original incident, and it officially came into being on September 18.

And again, we have the worst kept secret in history. It seems the US military is so full of blabbermouths it's hard to believe they can keep anything secret.

whcih is why I'm extremely sceptical of any theory which insists that the military are involved in some vast conspiracy (whatever it may be), but no one has ever come forward saying that they were involved in it (vast undergound bases to enslave the population, 9/11, etc).

It was part of the Army Air Force, which simply means, there was an Air Force in 1947. Ever heard of the USAAF? General George C. Marshall, U.S.Army Chief of Staff, established the Army Air Forces on June 20, 1941, to control both the Air Corps and the Air Force Combat Command.

The War Department reorganization on March 9, 1942, created three autonomous U.S. Army Commands: Army Ground Forces, Services of Supply (later, in 1943, Army Service Forces), and Army Air Forces.

The Air Force was there all along, but was part of the Army until 1947.

That was the fault of the Air Force! After all, the Air Force did report that it captured a flying saucer in 1947, and just days after the crash, flying saucers were reported by the Air Force over Muroc AAF, CA.



Sacramento Bee July 8, 1947

ROSWELL (N.M.). July 8. (AP) --The army air forces here today announced a flying disc
has been found on a ranch near Roswell and is in possession of the army.

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Flying Saucers Over Muroc Army Air Base, July 8, 1947

What difference does it make whose fault it was? Why didn't the government ever do anything to the leakers for revealing top secret information?

Check out what was suggested to be used to cover up the Roswell incident:


"Suggest saucers are radar targets for weather observation"

http://www.project1947.com/roswell/wkzo.gif

It made a a lot of difference because there was never a reason for the Air Force to report the capture of a flying sauce to the whole world for no other reason than for what it was.

By arresting those who revealed information relating to the Roswell incident, the Air Force would be shooting itself in the foot.

That was actually what I said; the clue was contained in my use of the phrase "US Army Air Force". If I hadn't heard of it, would I have mentioned it?

OK. We're on the same page.

First, I'm not a disbeliever in UFOs at all. I've seen a few myself, and they were UFOs in that I couldn't explain or identify them. But other people more credible than me have also seen and reported UFOs. There are just too many well-documented cases of them to deny. However, I'm currently of the opinion that the 1947 Roswell incident was not a UFO crash.

One of the several reasons I feel this way is because the military didn't seem to treat the scene as a the crash of an object of unknown origin. They simply seemed to be concerned with cleaning up the mess. Even at that time, it seems reasonable that there would have been protocols or procedures to follow, since they weren't sure about whether there was any possibility of biological contamination or radioactiviity from the object. It seems to me that Mr. Brazel and his property would have been quarantined for an extended period.

On top of that, why on earth would Major Marcel have brought pieces of the crash to someone's house and shown them, if they were of unknown origin? And later have photos taken along with the objects? If it was of unknown origin, how could he do all this if he was in his right mind? (And I'm quite sure he was in his right mind.)

Okay, let's assume that all the balloons from Project Mogul were accounted for at that time and the operation was made public all along. But how could we be sure that this same technology would not have been used by "the other side"? It seems reasonable that the Soviets would also want to detect what the US was doing, since we were a mutual threat at the time. If this was the crash of a Soviet "spy balloon", then I'm sure that this would be something that our military would have been all over. But they would have also undoubtedly been very tight lipped about the recovery, even to the point of issuing hasty press releases about "flying discs" or weather balloons.

That's how I see it so far.

whoa whoa whoa. you think they used human kids for that 'weather balloon'? i doubt it. besides, not test 'subjects' (human or mannequin) we used until the 50's. and according to Witnesses (just let me finish) they claimed the bodies were Not human. Not from our earth.

Only trouble with it being a Soviet balloon would be that I think the prevailing winds go from west to east, so it would have had to have come by a very unconventional route.
However, I have often wondered if it was significant that the unit based at Roswell was the 509th Bomb Group, which was the only unit in any air force capable of dropping atomic bombs at that time. The Russians would be very interested in that, wouldn't they ....

possibly. but would the RAAF need to cover up the Capture, of a soviet weather balloon? i personally dont believe it would 'scare' people that much. as opposed to 'we captured a flying disk, from outer space, with ETs'. look what happened in the late 30's when people heard 'war of the worlds'.
the russians would be interested, yeah, but i think the states would be like 'ha! we know what youre trying to do now. and it Aint gonna work'. then release to the press, they capture a Soviet balloon. not a flying saucer

The military did use cadavers for ballistic testing of small arms ammunition, but this was in the early part of the 20th century. The problem that they found with such tests was that the cadavers had already undergone rigor mortis, so the results would not have applied to a living person because of the stiffness of the muscles.

The main reason I suggested chimpanzees for the high altitude parachute tests is because this is exactly what we did in the Mercury mission in late 1961:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enos_(chimpanzee)

(ASPCA and PETA, look the other way!)

It seems logical that such testing would have involved live primates.

are you stating they used chimps for the roswell incident?