at least for me.


i have relayed this story several times on here or at least part of it. Anyone who has their own story and wants to tell it you are welcome to do so.


The day I was born, I had my first thought, I remember the thought, the moving shadows.


My first thought was SO THIS IS LIFE. I was excited about it.


I told my mom this once she thinks I was 6 months old.


This little thought tells me several things. I came from someplace I did not consider to be life. I did not come from a previous life otherwise my thought would probable have been here we go again.


My mother also told me the first time I made a move on a girl I was 2 days old. I was trying to hold her hand. I don't remember that.


before I was 2 years old, I had all of my child hood diseases and phenomena twice. I don't know if someone(god or my mom) was trying to kill me or prepare me. Sometimes because of my depression I think kill.


I became a mormon because of my dad. I remained a mormon going to church until I was about 20. I stopped going because 1 I didn't feel wanted. 2. because a ward bishop bragged one day in the hallway in san fransisco how he had gotten the singles ward moved out of his building so he could have more parking. He was not in a church meeting at the time and as far as I know he didn't know I was in the singles ward. I went to church a couple more weeks. But since then I have only been a couple of times.

I am now what the call a Jack-mormon. I still believe in the teachings of the church, and I still try to follow them. I hope Bee Eff reads this and I got that wrong he will correct me.

The main reason I still call myself mormon is because of that first thought. Of all the christian churchs I have been to and all the religions I have heard or read about The mormon church is the only that has teachings that explain it.

So you are saying you remain mormon because of a thought you can remember at birth? Interesting. For myself I would not believe that just because you thought that particular thought it means you did not come from a previous life. I would think it makes more sense that you are born to forget any previous life to learn your lesson and be able to function in this life but that is just my thoughts on it.

The thing is I wasn't supposed to remember anything prior to life at all. Non of us are.

But first you are saying that there was no prior life because you didn't remember in the form of saying "here we go again" and now you are saying we aren't supposed to remember. That seems like a contradiction to me.

Interesting topic to discuss. Not quite sure where you're going with it, but i have an expirience to add.....

This past April, i was deployed to Iraq with the US Army. I was coming back from a mission one day, and my Humvee was hit with a roadside bomb (Actually and EFP). I was the gunner of that truck, and when we got hit i fell down into the vehical. I heard my iraqi interpreter screaming in pain, and praying to Allah in arabic, and then i realized i lost both of my legs, i started to pray to my Christian God. I don't know if my Allah or God saved our lives that day, but i think, that we were praying to the same being. No matter what we call him, i believe that all of our prayers go to one place.

why does it seem like a contradiction. Part of life is not to remember that there was something before this life. But I do remember that there was something that wasn't life.

Well if you believe that there something before this life but do not think it was life than what was it?

I do have another experience .


I worked for pony express about 15 years ago. Part of my job was to go around to the banks and pick up their daily paper work and take to central processing.


This one day at this one bank I couldn't get my key to work in the door. I couldn't get the tip of the key into the lock. It took me like 10 minutes to get the key to work and get the paper work. I never had any problems with that key before or after. But it put me in a position to get hit by a car traveling around 60 miles an hour. With my reflexes I was able to turn that accident from head on in to my side into a glancing blow. It slowed the other car down enough that another driver in another car was able to run over and stop the first car. It turns out that the lady had blacked out just before she entered the intersection. I believe that if she had kept going she may have killed someone because there was a small hill just before the next light. No one would have seen her coming.

The spirit world.

Mother and Father(God would love you if you were a Dirt bag with no religion, (No ofence To my dirt bag bros,)Or a Muslim.Christian Budhist Jew, Bahi , or any religion you can name,

There is no one way to love, so Know God loves you what ever you choose. It truly is a personal belief, which no one can decide but you.

Some don't even need a religion to know this truth. some need not even read or write to know this

Love Omnaka

Miracles come in all shaes and sises, Glad your memory of them has no shelf life.

So many forget and chalk it up to coincidense, Then it gets forgotten altogether.

Love Omnaka

Daniel , i think that fundamentally you are correct. A person must live, and believe, in line with what they experience. To do otherwise doesn't make sense and will never make for a very fulfilled life.

There are probably many caveats(things to be wary of) when applying this principle, but basically it is sound. In all walks of life people go to great lengths to deny their experiences and refuse to learn anything from them.

They think that the internet or science must be able to provide them with all the essential knowledge and requirements of life, and so anything that cant be proven via the internet or science is not real and must be discounted. This puts modern society at variance with humanity as it has been since the first records appeared(and probably even earlier) .

Many see this as a great improvement (and indeed such a philosophy has its benefits and its merits,) but it is also a self limiting one, and one which simply ignores what is a large part of being human.

There are many possiblre reasons why you remember your thoughts from birth despite the fact that this is commonly believed to be impossible.
FRom my earliest self awareness, i believed i had killed someone. I knew this was logically impossible, and yet it bothered me right into adolescence. It was a knowledge so absolute as to be irrefutable, and yet physically impossible.
For a time it led me to believe in earlier lives, where i may have killed someone and remembered the experience in my new rebirth.
(As mentioned many times, i was precious and a bit different as a child from birth , reading and writing at a very early age, and thus being exposed to thoughts and ideas most children never encounter.)
It was only when a teenager that i found out that i was meant to be one of twins. The other twin was born still born, and ttechnically, i had killed him whilst still in the womb.
It is just possible that as an extremely young child i picked up on this from conversations around me, but when they told me about it, my parents said that they had never mentioned it in my presence, and in fact it was something they never really talked about at all. Yet i had "known" this, from age two or even earlier.

Thus, personaly, i do not find your memories either unlikely or unbelievable, but it is up to you to make of them what you willl, and to use them to help you maintain a positive direction in life.

My first memories were at 6 months old also. My grandmother stuck me accidentally with a diaper pin. I remember being angry and her apologizing.

I had a sense of having been around forever. As if being timeless. Everything was wondrous yet deeply familiar.

Maybe it's genetic memory of some type, giving that feeling of knowing all (even an infant).

They know alot more than one assumes. They just can't very often remember themselves after their head is polluted.

I wish more people would think like that. The world would certainly be a more tolerable place.

I am going to open this up to anyone with personal experience that made them stop believing in God.

Really, Daniel, all this sounds like is karma. Maybe you were a very "bad" person in your previous lifetime and have to pay the consequences of sufferance-in-order-to-learn now. If God "loves" you so much, then why would he have you suffer so awfully? Kind of contradictory, I have to say... But, as for your illnesses as a child, that's horrifically easy to explain. Simple, as a child you had a weak immune system and whenever you received a vaccine you ended up getting the illness. It happens all the time with flu shots. There's no supernatural entity who wants you dead, your immune system just wasn't up to par. Easily explainable really. That's why you hear so much fuss about vaccines that don't work of get people sick. They're not designed to be 100% effective for 100% of the population. As for your first childhood thought, I highly doubt that's what you thought. Perhaps you think that's what you thought? I know I have memories wherein I cannot tell if they arose from actual experience of dreams and my imagination from my childhood. I don't think that we should put much scientific "worth" on something so vague and psychologically fragile. Plus, doesn't this thought put more evidence towards reincarnation and Eastern religious thinking than any sort of Abrahamic religion?

in 63 and 64 they were not vaccinating every one.

No reincarnation I wouldn't be think so this is life as if it was my first time.

Which would be why you got sick.

Well, we don't remember previous lives, so you very well could have thought that.

Wow what an experiance, I believe as well that our prayers all go to one place. Best wishes.

i recall hundreds of people saying that they remember previous lives. I don't believe them, probable tricked by someone.

By whom ?

Past life regression is different than naturally remembering one's past lives. The memories are still there, but we cannot normally access them. It's a block to help us experience life and experiences in a pure manner from lifetime to lifetime.

Peole with a vested interest in making money from them?

Reincarnation, while largely an "ëastern" concept has experienced a resurgence as part of new age beliefs. In parts of america and to a lesser extent europe, many people make good money out of the pseudo "sciences" of channeling or post hypnotic regression to fulfill people' s spiritual hopes.
No worse than using traditional religious beliefs to part people from their money , i guess, but no better either.
One danger in using hypnotism to recall even "this life" memories which have been forgotten or repressed has been found during its use in child abuse cases.

All to often, the remembered events never took place at all. They have been newly constructed by the mind, through/by the very process of trying to recover them from people. Scientific studies have shown that peolpe are unable to distinguish between imagined or internally created memories and memories of actual events.
In fact, scientists are working on creating and implanting "false"memories into people for a number of legitimate medical reasons, including treatment of post traumatic shock

And since I remember that there was something before life. The block isn't working. But here is the question at some point the very first life had to start where did that life get it's soul. Remember I do not believe this I am just asking under your terms.

You may very well be right but Christianity has also turned into a very big money making business.



See here:

http://www.prettygoodnews.com/salary_peer_...study_final.pdf




updated 5:26 a.m. HT, Fri., April. 1, 2005

Evangelicalism is one of the fastest-growing religious movements in the United States, and now this ardent form of Christianity is starting to flex its economic muscles.

In Corporate America, the religion’s growing status is seen in all kinds of businesses. From health clubs to Hollywood movies, and from publishing companies to pizza parlors, firms around the United States are now saying they have Christian values at their core.

“Jesus is big business in America,” explains Laura Nash, Ph.D., a senior research fellow at Harvard Business School.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7346446/

Jesus has been big business since that first cross was sold. That does not make Christianity wrong.

The Universe. God. Allah. Wotan. Thor. Zeus. Whatever you want to call it. The deity that we consider to be God or manifestations of it as such. I like the theory which states our consciousness is merely fragments of an original "super consciousness" or "god" and that we are to live on the physical plane in order to learn and experience what "god" cannot. But that's just a hypothesis after all.

Maybe as We are all apart of that super consciousness, we all as well as God can experiencing it (Life) In the physical.

Good Hypothisis.
It does make a Circle.

Love Omnaka

I saw the state of the world.

or another word would be the spirit world.

Indeed. We could be beings from another world who have chosen to live lives here to experience physical emotion and experience.

exactly

Except for the fact that there is zero evidence(and by evidence I mean empirical facts) to suggest this notion whatsoever.

That's where experience comes in and leaves Proof by the wayside.Imo.

Love Omnaka