Firstly who cares which religion is right. Religion brings a fear to people that if they do wrong there will be a comeback for it. Thats the point of me raising it because thats whats missing from the mentality of a lot of people today. I would argue though to reduce conflict nations should stick to one relgion if possible and not try to promote holy wars.

Secondly the right does not cause segragation. Differances cause segragation and even in the globalist world in which we live there is really no such thing as multi-cultural because all differant groups have a tendency to keep themselves to themselves. Segragation is here and always has been and is no invention of the right.

Thirdly I do believe men should stick to being men and women should stick to being women. A child needs a strong father figure in its life if it is to develop properly and a female figure to teach it how to be diplomatic and loving. This is the idea family unit and what all people should aim for because it produces a mentally healthy well-balanced child.

Fourthly extreme politics is damaging for a nation. Just as many believe right wing extremist parties should be banned I believe left wing and Liberal extremist parties should also be banned. What a nation needs is common sense politics not a far out style of government brought in to suite minorities. That is not a totalitarian state. Its a state with the nuts from both ends cut off.

In fact I think we should get rid of Democracy and have a telephone vote in system. You watch a debate on tv and all users have the option to press the green or red button. Then the beaurocrats are left to implement it.

If you were born in the 50's/ 60's/70's
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paints. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking. As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this. We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents. We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever! The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL! And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good. And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were.

However, you cannot teach a child moral values without a higher power or enforcing powers. Not if you are fair you can't.

I was emailed the following a long time ago by a friend of mine and I think it pretty much sums up the Op's original question

I AM the higher power to my children. And I think it's sad that you would have to use fear (oh noez!!!1burn in teh hell 4evas!!!1) or bribery (angel wings and fluffy clouds in heaven) to teach your kids anything. I want my children to have good morals because they want to, not because they are scared not to.

I AM the higher power to my children. And I think it's sad that you would have to use fear (oh noez!!!1burn in teh hell 4evas!!!1) or bribery (angel wings and fluffy clouds in heaven) to teach your kids anything. I want my children to have good morals because they want to, not because they are scared not to.

So why do americans need all of these nanny's from england to come over here and show us how to raise our kids? Better yet, why is their a problem with our kids to begin with? What's causing it? Where did it begin? And why does all of western society seem to be falling downard, losing it's moral base? Why do teens think demeaning women in music, acting like a thug, cursing, disrespecting others, and breaking the laws are cool and okay things to do?

I am a teenager and I don't think any of that is cool.

I agree with you, parents need to grow a backbone and actually discipline their kids instead of doing the "my child wouldn't do that" act, I'm sick of it, I work at a 7-11 and I get this all the time, its called swat your kids on the butt sometimes, take away the cellphone or the car and actually stick with it...I feel sorry for this generation of kids, they are going to grow up and be brats all their lives...ugh...

as you mature and gain in experince and add to your worldviews what i have posted will make alot more sense....I hope this helps a bit kaizen....

I was emailed the following a long time ago by a friend of mine and I think it pretty much sums up the Op's original question


QUOTE (AFriend date=Long time ago, 10:47 AM) *
If you were born in the 50's/ 60's/70's
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paints. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking. As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this. We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents. We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever! The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL! And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good. And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were.

But despite the apparent tidal wave of new consumer goods and what appeared to be a healthy appetite for their consumption among the well-to-do, industrialists were worried. They feared that the frugal habits maintained by most American families would be difficult to break. Perhaps even more threatening was the fact that the industrial capacity for turning out goods seemed to be increasing at a pace greater than people’s sense that they needed them.

You have more faith than I do, that he will open his mind. What we are asking is for him to agree with us, which I am not sure is fair. However, it would be nice if his discussion tactics/technique were refined a bit.

It is my experience that when someone's logic is as imperfect and biased as his is, he won't see reason and I doubt that his reasonings are based on any personal experience.

That was great and so true. So much more the Indigo children myth/BS !!

http://www.storyofstuff.com/ - a story every child should see. Maybe then they will have a purpose which they can respect : to consume less. They try to be different trough music, clothing and other things they feel like they oppose this system but they don't really know what they do. Show them this, and they will understand better the world we live in and how to fight against it, and create real values they can respect

Hmmm, picking a scapegoat...good for you. a traditionalist; I like it. Perhaps you guys should stick to religion though, as you suck at picking a scapegoat. I thought this was a joke when I first read it.

Evolution does not eliminate all rules and morality. That wins the prize as the silliest comment I have heard in years. To clue the writer in, rules (and morality) are created by the society itself; not by an invisible god. Whether you go to the deepest jungle society or the driest most lonely desert population, they have rules just like every other place on earth with their own morals.



Think for yourselves.

That's exactly what I said! And that is exactly the problem, Evolution supports the theory that we're nothing but animals and that ALL morals and morality are equal since they're ALL just MADE UP BY SOCIETY!!! That's the problem, because is they're all just MADE UP, then there IS NO TRUTH and there is NO RIGHT AND WRONG! And that is what has led to this decline in society, children are brought up with this view that morality is something society makes up and that there is no real right and wrong just what YOU chose to believe. The fact is, there IS A RIGHT AND WRONG AND THERE IS A REAL TRUTH! The real truth comes from God, the one and only. And even if you eliminate the Christian side of the argument it's evident that the spirit of God inside all of us provides a blue print for what is the truth and what right and wrong is, which is why all religions not just christianity condem certain behaviors such as homosexuality for example as being wrong. Yet evolution has opened to the door to people believing all morals and morality are made up and everything is choice, therefore nothing can be considered immoral or wrong because you don't have the right to speak the truth because you don't know it because it doesn't exist, your just an animal. That's where the problem is, and if your too thick headed to understand that noone can help you.

That's exactly what I said! And that is exactly the problem, Evolution supports the theory that we're nothing but animals and that ALL morals and morality are equal since they're ALL just MADE UP BY SOCIETY!!! That's the problem, because is they're all just MADE UP, then there IS NO TRUTH and there is NO RIGHT AND WRONG! And that is what has led to this decline in society, children are brought up with this view that morality is something society makes up and that there is no real right and wrong just what YOU chose to believe. The fact is, there IS A RIGHT AND WRONG AND THERE IS A REAL TRUTH! The real truth comes from God, the one and only. And even if you eliminate the Christian side of the argument it's evident that the spirit of God inside all of us provides a blue print for what is the truth and what right and wrong is, which is why all religions not just christianity condem certain behaviors such as homosexuality for example as being wrong. Yet evolution has opened to the door to people believing all morals and morality are made up and everything is choice, therefore nothing can be considered immoral or wrong because you don't have the right to speak the truth because you don't know it because it doesn't exist, your just an animal. That's where the problem is, and if your too thick headed to understand that noone can help you.

That's exactly what I said! And that is exactly the problem, Evolution supports the theory that we're nothing but animals and that ALL morals and morality are equal since they're ALL just MADE UP BY SOCIETY!!! That's the problem, because is they're all just MADE UP, then there IS NO TRUTH and there is NO RIGHT AND WRONG! And that is what has led to this decline in society, children are brought up with this view that morality is something society makes up and that there is no real right and wrong just what YOU chose to believe. The fact is, there IS A RIGHT AND WRONG AND THERE IS A REAL TRUTH! The real truth comes from God, the one and only. And even if you eliminate the Christian side of the argument it's evident that the spirit of God inside all of us provides a blue print for what is the truth and what right and wrong is, which is why all religions not just christianity condem certain behaviors such as homosexuality for example as being wrong. Yet evolution has opened to the door to people believing all morals and morality are made up and everything is choice, therefore nothing can be considered immoral or wrong because you don't have the right to speak the truth because you don't know it because it doesn't exist, your just an animal. That's where the problem is, and if your too thick headed to understand that noone can help you.