Wow!! an addiction that is good for you!!!!

YAY FOR COFFEE. Shame no where makes it like they do in Italy, Spain and Portugal.

I like my coffee black, just like my metal.

I like my coffee black. just like my women.lol.

I'm going to live longer? Really? That's kinda cool. >3 Thanks parents for getting my addicted to coffee.

That's kinda neat. I guess. ^^

woohoo!

Am I the only one who finds the name of this medical publication incredibly amusing?



P.S. w00t for coffee

They do in England =D

They're called Costa~ Italian recipe's cooked the Italian way.

YAY! The one addiction I have is good for me!

They lie! No way near the same quality (Nero is the best in UK imo and they still only get their macchiato right a 3rd of the time ).

I knew there had to be a Good reason why I drink so much Coffee~

Me and coffee - we have a serious long term relationship.

A little bit of coffee is okay, and for some body's can drink it more than others without bad health affects. I like coffee, but drinking it is bad for my health sure you have all of the splendid pros they all advertise, but the cons for me just aren't work it...long term on the body.

"Coffee Cons


1. Heart disease. This is somewhat controversial. Most prospective cohort studies haven't found that coffee consumption is associated with significantly increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

On one hand, diterpenes cafestol and kahweol present in unfiltered coffee and caffeine each appear to increase risk of coronary heart disease. High quality studies [6] have confirmed the cholesterol-raising effect of diterpenes. Also, coffee consumption is associated with an increase of plasma homocysteine, a risk factor for coronary heart disease.


On the other hand, a lower risk of heart disease among moderate coffee drinkers might be due to antioxidants found in coffee.

2. Cholesterol. Heavy consumption of boiled coffee elevates blood total and LDL ("bad") cholesterol levels [7]. Unfiltered coffee contains two cholesterol-raising compounds cafestol and kahweol.
3. Blood vessels. Coffee negatively affects the blood vessel tone and function.
4. Heart rhythm disturbances. Coffee can cause rapid or irregular heartbeats (cardiac arrhythmias).
5. Blood pressure. Although coffee drinking is not a significant risk factor for hypertension, it produces unfavorable effects on blood pressure [8] and people prone to hypertension may be more susceptible. Recent Italian study found that coffee drinking can slightly increase the risk for development of sustained hypertension in people with elevated blood pressure.
6. Osteoporosis. Coffee intake may induce an extra urinary excretion of calcium. Heavy coffee consumption (600 ml or more) can modestly increase the risk of osteoporosis, especially in women with a low calcium intake [9].
7. Heartburn. A cup of coffee can trigger the heartburn.
8. Sleep. Most are aware of the stimulatory effects of caffeine. High amounts of caffeine taken before going to sleep can cause difficulty falling asleep, tendency to be awakened more readily by sudden noises, and a decreased quality of sleep. However, some people can drink coffee and fall right asleep.
9. Dehydration. The caffeine in coffee is a mild diuretic and can increase urine excretion. This effect may be easily neutralized by drinking an extra glass of water.
10. Dependence. Although "generally recognized as safe" by the FDA, caffeine is still a drug, a mild central nervous system stimulant, and it produces dependence. Caffeine withdrawal is a real syndrome. You may get a few days of headache and irritability if you choose to quit drinking coffee, however, it is relatively easy to break this habit, and most people are not addicted to caffeine. "

Another website
http://www.elftown.com/_The%20Pros%20and%2...s%20of%20Coffee

Not all effects are obviously bad, but personally I'd just stick to water

Isn't that just so typical, and a kick in the ar*e!

Coffee used to be bad for ya!
It caused heart disease, cancer, and all sorts of ill effects. Now it's good for ya!

I love medicine...they just have no clue (or maybe they do...about what's really important to them!).

You know, a systolic blood pressure of 120 was cool once...for about as long as they've been measuring it. In fact, if you were over 40, you added your age to 100 and that was cool. Suddenly, 110 is the norm for good health, and if a doctor sees you with a 120 blood pressure, he's calling you hypertensive and prescribing you medication....


...which is probably the point of the reduction in nominal systolic value.



Coffee is a bean. A god-damned bean. We decoct it and make a pleasant beverage.
I'd be willing to bet that if people paid no attention to "studies" and modern medicine as a whole, we'd all be alot better off!

Yes it is, but it is that you are cooking the bean in which you can it's chemisty. It's like cooking steamed vegtables, seems like you are doing yourself something good. When in fact it is at the perfect temp. especially for collieflower for fungus party! This causes tons of people digestive problems/allgeries they don't even know about most of the time. It's saying rice is just rice, our bodies need whole grain rice...otherwise you aren't doing yourself any good. Animals can process this out by taking the shell out when they excrete, while humans let the toxic lie. I guess animals are smarter than us ha-ha.

Modern medicine is 'confused' most of the time hence the term 'modern'. But just because new medicine comes along does NOT mean you should disreguard some of the best herbal medcine and leave it with the crappy stuff as well. You can't just erase and go oOOO look new drug sounds good to me, no and that is why pharmacy industry is billionssssss of dollars company. They don't care about the risk it causes to other humans, they want money.

You don't need pills to cure cancer, your sore, lupus, fibro, headaches....and just because you have a headache DOES NOT mean it's in the head unless you have a tumor something obvious of that nature, every headache is from the digestive system in someway. I did not believe this until a few days ago, when I had it proven on me and why doctors couldn't explain my headaches, insomnia, fibro....all of that. But because I refused medication, I found smarter more invested caring people that are so amazing...especially the specialist I meant he made a light that can cure cancer!!! And other illnesses, it costs 9,000 dollars though, but scuba diving does almost the same thing.

Sounds like bull, but ha-ha you all might want to think about twice of what you eat, drink, pill pop because the 'mass' media said it was okay, doesn't mean it is 'just because everyones doing it'.

And therein lies my point.
You are describing your own observations about coffee.
It doesn't agree with you, and you KNOW IT...right?

Am I reading that right, or are you merely thinking about the list you posted?

If so, then it's a matter of personal power...your choice. Don't drink it. It doesn't do YOUR BODY good. The world is then beautiful.


Look,


Some people love shellfish. They love lobster and crabs, and shrimp, and such other crusty fellows. They can eat it and sit there and worship "God on high" for the gift of this particular stuff.

Being a chef of sorts, I can completely empathise with such emotions.


However, and not so unusual as it may seem, other people eat lobster and find themselves in the bathroom, barfing up $30.00 per pound delicacies, while ohers are enjoying themselves.


I've seen it happen! Damn...

Then they realize that they've got an allergy to shellfish and can't eat it.

What do they do?

They don't, and wisely I might add. They're not even attracted to it!
Why?

Not because some doctor or some medical study said it's bad for them, but because their own God-given wisdom revealed it to them.

If it's good for you, go for it. If it's not (and EVERYBODY HAS THE INHERENT BODILY WISDOM TO KNOW THESE THINGS), then do what you were given the capability to do, and don't.

But if you're merely spouting regurgitations based upon the list below...then you're not using your own wisdom...you'll wind up sick that way.


A couple comments on the list:




No coffee connoisseur "BOILS" coffee.
People who make gourmet quality coffee fully realize that boiling water is the ruination of a good cup of coffee.
It doesn't have that pleasantness if the water is boiled (percolators are a no-no for a chef). This is nature speaking....and perhaps medicine is simply telling you why "boiled coffee" is no good!




And these things are felt by the body. Again, the wisdom of the body....




Eat more brocholi. Assimilatable calcium in droves. Anyone knows that coffee is a diuretic! And also remember, this is for women with LOW calcium intake. Again, eat more brocholi!



"Can," the operative term. If it does...you know exactly what to do.




You're right, and the conclusion is?

Easy...if it keeps you awake, don't drink it!






If that's the way you feel...if that's what your body tells you, then God bless you--you're doing the right thing.

If that's because of the negatives listed as a result of a dozen contrary studies...well, you're not being very self reliant.

I think you're getting it!






You're right!

As pertains to coffee...you really wouldn't want to eat the whole bean (trust me, I've done it!). It's just not pleasant. It's like any decoction. Now, read what I said about coffee above...no one who knows anything about coffee over cooks the bean!

There's a reason for that.
And most vegatables can be cooked...but not the way most people do. Steaming is a delicate process, and personally, I don't like it as a chef, because steaming inherently releases nutrients, and thereby, flavor. Vegetables, if cooked, should be warmed quickly, crispy, crunchy...full o' goodness.

...one of my criteria when assessing a restaurant, is what the veggies are like. There is nothing like a flaccid pile of green beans, devoid of flavor and nutrients, to make me wonder where the chef got his training!




No one said anything about disregarding real herbalism. I haven't. I also haven't been in an MD's or a DOs office in over 20 years...but I have used herbs to great effect.


What your post seems to point to is a level of personal responsibility you've accepted and feel strongly about.
That is a good thing.

Interesting form of population control huh...

Tell us it's bad so we quit it and make strong genes, tell us it's good kill a bunch of us off and then say ooops I guess it is bad.

I also agree with you except on one point, knowing if it's good or bad for you. That is the issue, most do know because they have strong allergies/noticable ones to be able to say no. Then there is the percentage (Like me) that does not know, until 5 years later of intense study from doctor to doctor. It's where the body 'over indulges' in what it can handle. Sure I wasn't throwing up or never thought I was sick from eating tons of protien. In fact doctors told me to eat more because my body could handle 10x more...but that didn't mean it was right. No one understood that the body could go haywire in some areas to make one instinctively crave more, and of course when I didn't have keystones in my urine they assumed it was fine then. I could go into detail, but there are some cases where instead the body 'needs' more and causes severe usually mis-diagnosed illnesses.

But yes, I do see what you are saying

Awesome! I love coffee. My entire family drinks coffee, so I got addicted at a young age. Though, I do put quite a bit of sugar in it, and mix it with milk at times.

A simple way of looking at everything is this:

If it don't feel good, don't do it. You'll know, eventually, if something is not too great...
If it does feel good, go ahead.

And one way or the other...don't fret over it. Do what your wisdom tells you to do. It's always right.

Lots of entire families drink coffee. It's nice.

You say you love it, and use the word "addicted" in the same phrase to describe it.


Realize that there's a difference between loving something and being addicted to it. The two terms are in fact, mutually exclusive.
Addiction is a problem. Loving something is not.

I like tea best
The only time I drink coffee is in the evening, made with milk (no water) and a small teaspoon of sugar, plus I only drink decaf otherwise it keeps me awake at night.

I guess you never had dark chocolate cover coffee beans. Oh man those are good, but if you eat to many you will be bouncing off the walls. I am suppose to drink decaf (I hate it) cause coffee makes my legs spasm. I can get away with one cup a day, but there is not much point in making one cup.

Sure...but what I was discussing was cooking things there...
Chocolate covered coffee beans are roasted. I'm referring to raw coffee beans. Whooo....!
Roasting the bean is what allows that mellow flavor to be concentrated, and gets rid of the nastiness.



Therein lies the wisdom of the body.
Your's doesn't like coffee. It makes your legs spasm. Obviously, your neurological system is highly sensitive to caffiene and it's saying, "Nope, can't deal with that!"

Thus, don't drink it. It's cool not to, and wise as well.

Something to think about..................... Dunkin Donuts! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Coffee is bad for you! Coffee is now good for you! Coffee is an acguired taste.

Simply, I always thought coffee is what wakes ya! There will always be tests, surveys, and new findings to say how good and/or how bad something is for you.

The thing is, as adults, we should take in moderately and responsibly.

Although, I need to consider something when it comes to coffee.

I'm a military wife that works in a bookstore with a coffee shop/cafe. It's more than a drink, it's a religion!

Therein lies the point!







As a military wife, you have my respect, and, you go right ahead and worship your coffee as you see fit!
You deserve it!

Then there are the coffee berries...

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400346/Coff...erry-Bonus.html








http://tgfood.net/B.html




Can you imagine a coffee berry smoothie!!!!

or coffee berry jam with your breakfast...

or coffee berries with your Tiramisu!!!

Sounds goood!!!!

Don't forget that coffee may reduce fertility for those couples who are trying to conceive a child.

For the rest of us ... gotta love those antioxidants...

That's one I don't think I've heard, although I can certainly accept that it's true (the fact that some study has postulated the idea, that is...not the idea itself).

Nevermind - didn't see all the pages!!

(too much coffee, clearly)

I must be a medical enigma then!!!!!

My diet is basically almost junk food yet my cholesterol levels are under normal & considered low with a 6% body fat index. I smoke between 20-30 cigarettes per day, yet my carbon monoxide blood levels are very low (on par with a non-smoker) and I do not get out of breath easily. I drink coffee by the gallon, yet I have four kids (that I know of!). Medication has no effect on me at all regardless of type.

Maybe I should rent myself out to Pfizer for medical experimentation, or am I just a bald Sasquatch??????

No, I don't think you're a medical enigma Nomad.
I think you're one of many, many people who rather clearly indicate that there's much more to the common medical conclusions that are accepted (smoking causes cancer, coffee's bad for you (or alternately, good for you), etc., etc...than meets the eye.

But I think if you wanted to rent yourself out to a drug company, they'd be un-interested. People like you provide no reason for their products! They'd probably say, "No thanks...we don't want to look at people who don't get sick...hell, we don't even want to acknowledge that you kind of folks exist!"

Looks like you haven't tried Cuban.

I have, not as good as southern Europe for me, it is at least a few million times better than American though (starbucks is an abomination).

Everyone has their preferences, I agree with you on Italian though.

I haven't gone back to this thread, but when I did, I saw this post and I wanted to say

Thank you!





Considering I have had my kids for society, I'm shall not be worried. On to the drinking of Coffee!!!

Not buying it.
Caffeine = Toxin
Toxin = Bad

I think instant coffee is toxic...

These lab tests for studying bladder cancer all seem to be given instant coffee , rather than fresh coffee.

Genotoxicity of instant coffee: possible involvement of phenolic compounds
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...80b542a5f561e7e

aroma chemicals, 3:241–246. aroma compounds in roasted coffee, ...... instant coffee, 7:257, 260–262. regulations and standards, 7:267–268 ..



http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6337098/description.html
A Merck product????

In 2002, Merck invested almost US$2.7 billion in research and development. ..... Symrise, which produces flavours, fragrances, aroma chemicals and cosmetics ...









Monitoring of aromatic amine exposure in workers at a chemical plant with a known bladder cancer excess. J Natl Cancer Inst 88, pp. 1046–1052.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...9ace433a8d21dd7

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...6740f794a2cb5de

Could those flavoured coffee beans be a product of Merck's multi billion dollar investment???





wholesale coffee roaster
Gourmet Flavored Coffee
http://flavoredcoffees.net/

I hope not!!!






http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=664&page=23

All that for an improvement in taste?!

capucino and esspresso is very bad in the uk they dont know how to make the froth and it tastes /look like a hagwash...sorry

Lately I have noticed how some of the fresh fruits and vegetables in the supermarkets have the fresh from the garden smell.. We know they are not.. could they too have been sprayed with scent/ aromatic amines ?

I hope to god your wrong, they CANT take my vegetables away too...
Maby that smell is just from the vine ripened ones. Those vines always smell nice.
Wouldnt they have to post an ingredients list if they were adding to the fresh produce?
Though, they dont post that most apples are waxed.

Agreed, same with America (and the abomination of flavoured coffee!). We went with their style and it vastly inferior to southern Europe.

yes falvoured coffee is just adding an artificially made suryp, which smells 'flowery' and possibly its compound, is similar to the things they add in air freshners and or other domestic / household cleaners......... ie the clothes softener has very 'sweet' smell.

http://healthinmotion.wordpress.com/2007/1...toxic-air-soup/

http://www.infinitehealthresources.com/Sto.../85/1/1119.html

http://www.msdssearch.com/News%20Archive2006.htm

I like my coffee like my women - ground up and in the freezer (I hope you all know I jest when I say that right?)