The expression - "seeing the light" - has become, over the ages, merely a metaphor for common comprehension. But originally, imo, the expression would have referred to the 'Light of God', the personal experience of which brings real/genuine SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING and KNOWLEDGE (Gnosis).

This 'LIGHT of God' is most definitely NOT a metaphorical expression - it is a very REAL VISIONARY EXPERIENCE!

It has been called the 'Beatific Vision' or the 'Vision of the Shekhinah' by various Mystics who have obviously experienced it. Moses described it as a 'burning bush' which was never consumed (i.e. being Eternal), and Jesus offered to reveal it to those who came to Him in complete sincerity by His Mystic 'Fire' Baptism/Initiation.

Such experience is available today, as it always has been, through initiation by a genuine Spiritual Master.

This is the true message of all genuine scripture - SEEK until you find!

Shalom

The 'Light Bringer' is Lucifer, the true path to gnosis

funny how no one else sees that light but the viewer . metaphor (mental illness may fit better. )

Lucifer is in reference to 2 kings - the king of Babylon and the kind of Tyre.

Only in the Christian Bible is Lucifer used that way. Not everyone abides by that book you do know?

Shalome Ben.

You are corect in the light Of God being something transcending our reality and life, But many have seen, and more importantly felt and returned to tell of this love light.

Only those who have experienced it can concieve of it. Or maybe some can concieve But most will have to waite till after this Life.



Love Omnaka

Its likely this is the same light people who have had NDE's see.

The light in my case came in angelic form, but i must disagree with lt ripley, that the light is always within the mind. The pillar of fire/angel which manifested along side me, produced enough light to light up an area of at least 20 metres diameter on a dark night, as clearly as day, and was also witnessed by independent observers some distance away.

Other manifestations of the light i have experienced include the "doorway in the sky"which first brought me to Um. This was a rectangular doorway in the night sky which appeared to open into a realm of pure bright light. The doorway moved down out of the sky to encompass me, and pass right through me. There were no witnesses to that event, but at the time it was "real"enough for my wife to notice, immediately i went back inside, that i had experienced something out of the ordinary.

No explanation came with this event, and i have never been able to find anyone with a similar experience, or an explanation for it, but as no detectable medical reason for it was ever discovered, I'm happy to go with the feeling which came over me, as the doorway of light passed through me, that this was definitely some sort of metaphysical experience.

There is more to it of course. The light permeates your body in both a spiritual and a physical sense. It changes and cleanses you, and opens your eyes to many hitherto unseen aspects of existence.

It is a light which casts away darkness, creating a permanent lifting of ones presence and banishing "ëvil" or negativity from your life. Once the light embraces, and fills, your body and soul, there is little room left for anything else.

I am also not suprised that many people equate the light with love or life, because if you had to give an emotional word to describe the light, it would be love, and it brings with it an awareness , and an enhancement, of what it means to be alive, which surpasses any other experience, from drugs to sex, that i have ever known.

Once you have this sort of experience, you appreciate for the first time that no matter how good your life was before, you have never really known what life can be like (and i think is meant to be like)

I dont suppose there is much point telling people this, because they simply wont acknowledge it until/unless they experience it forthemselves, but once experienced you can identify immediately the parallels and similarities between your own experience, and that described by many people from many faiths and cultures, over many millenia.

People dont like being told this either, but i am saddened that so many people live lives which are so circumscribed, because they are never able to experience what life can be like when the light/spirit, call it what you will, becomes an integral part of your being.

Well, considering I'm a Quaker and we are also known as "Children of Light" I'd say to us it's a reality.



Not necessarily true actually. At least not in my practice. Part of the revelation we experience is often accompanied by a flash of light for several people at once.

Now, that being said, it might be like NDE as someone mentioned above. Our practice is meditative, it's well known in other faiths such as Hinduism and Buddhism that deep meditations can cause flashes of light to be seen, they also see it as something ethereal just like we do. Whether it's an accident of biology or God, or spirit, is a different argument... but it's worth noting that it's not uncommon for several people to experience it together.

What it definitely isn't is mental illness.

I can tell you from experience the light of God is a reality. All Gods and Goddesses are beings of light. They can come in many manifestations but when they come as their true self they are light. Each God has a different color of light, when the Goddess Yamaya reveal herself to me she was a blue light with diamond like sparkles. The last time I did a healing I called Brid, Celtic Goddess of healing, she gave me white light for the energy. I didn't see it, but a friend saw it, she said I was bathed in white light. (I love Brid she is so kind and wonderful.) I have been blasted with light a few times and it is an awesome experience beyond description.

Ripley, we will ever agree to disagree. I might be a nut, but I am a happy nut.

I'd agree Dark.. that's why I believe that all paths still lead to the same place, what or where ever that might be. You're experience, mine, and Mr. walkers are interpreted differently, but I believe they are actually the same thing. What it is, I don't much care... It simply "is".

true true ......."The Origin of Devils & Demons"

Since the dawn of time man has been frightened of the dark, by nature superstitious he fears the unseen presence of evil spirits and created a host of rituals to protect himself from them. Cultural evolution seeing the creation of infernal pantheons, devil's who undermine a God's will and lead humanity into sin and towards eternal damnation. Most ancient societies had evil entities in their religious dogmas some, such as: Satan - Lucifer - Beelzebub - the Demon and Devil form an important part of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions. Princes of Darkness, Arch Angels of Hell and their minions who oppose the will of respective deities, however the origins of these infernal beings are not so unholy. Judaism is the alpha religion from which the other two groups emerged, it is in many ways an anthology of ancient mythologies, as the Hebrews came into contact with their neighbors during their wanderings they absorbed many of their mythic legends, heroes and villains, Lucifer was one such entity.

Lucifer is Latin for 'Light Bearer' and a Roman deity associated with the planet Venus, which was known as Lucifer in Roman astrology beforeThe Fall of the Damned - Bouts Venus, daughter of Jupiter, was promoted from Goddess of vegetation to Goddess of love and beauty with the planet renamed in her honor. He was called the 'Light Bearer' because Venus was the morning star, rose in the sky heralding the dawn. Lucifer is the son of Astraeus and father of Ceyx, Daedalion and the Hesperides. As a deity he came to personify the quest for light, variants of his name used for several Goddesses of 'light' including Artemis, Aurora and Hecate. He was by no means an evil force, history reveals Lucifer the antithesis of darkness and evil. The Hebrews never associated him with Satan, nor did the early Christians, the name had a positive connotation, was generally interpreted as meaning 'illumination' it was a popular name with the female equivalent Lucinda (Lucy) and synonymous with a person who searched for knowledge.

Lucifer was adopted by the ancient Hebrews and retooled Shahar God of the dawn, Jerusalem means 'House of Shalem' and has ties to the worship of Venus the 'Bringer of Light'. In the Christian context it was cleric Origenes Adamantius [185-254CE] of the early Greek Church who first claimed Lucifer was the Devil, a concept championed by Augustine of Canterbury in 7th century England based on mistranslation. Lucifer was equated with Satan by St. Jerome in his Vulgate which claimed he was the serpent in the Garden of Eden who tempted Adam & Eve to transgress. He erroneously translated 'Heylel', which means Venus in Hebrew, into Lucifer and an allusion to Satan when it wasn't. One of the reasons he equated Lucifer with Satan was politics, his hatred of an orthodox movement started in the 4th century by the Bishop of Cagliari, Lucifer Calaritanus, who founded a group called the Luciferians. By equating Lucifer with Satan he ensured that his heretical views on Christ's divinity and relationship with Jahova, etc, would be thought Satanic and not resuscitated.

cont .......

a very interesting read - pretty short as well.

http://www.castleofspirits.com/origindevils.html

The realization of enlightenment..... Or the finally knowing the truth, the light......the what is.... the understanding of what is....
Hard to explain.

Yes, I beleive in the Light! It is He.... and your right! We can find it, if we look!
Blessings

"""""Once the light embraces, and fills, your body and soul, there is little room left for anything else. """"


Thats the light of the Holy Spirit...... a complete filling of all senses of warmth, love, comfort and serinity....


"""""People dont like being told this either, but i am saddened that so many people live lives which are so circumscribed, because they are never able to experience what life can be like when the light/spirit, call it what you will, becomes an integral part of your being. """"

Right on!

Blessings Mr. Walker!

Salaam (Peace)

Definitely the Lucifer doctrine is biblical. For a comparative look at this see THIS PAGE

Lucifer, from the latin, lux, meaning light, and ferre, meaning to bring. So Lucifer is the bringer of light. Lucifer and Satan are not the same person. Satan. means adversary, therefore any other god besides the Judeo-Christian one, could be called 'Satan' as they would all be adversarys of the ego-centric "I'm the only one" God of Abraham. My knowledge on Luciferianism is a little limited, as I mix pretty much all LHP and Satanist groups together, but IIRC Lucifer is a bringer of enlightenment, the lord of the east, and of the winds, and asociated with the morning star. Also, IIRC I believe Lucifer was a lesser known Roman god, similar to Phospheros of the Greeks, a bringer of light.

Salaam (Peace)

The Noor Allah (Light of Allah) is a very significant concept in Islam. One of Allah's 99 Names is Noor (Light). The Quran, Prophethood, Divine Revelation, and Guidance in general are called Noor (Light). Allah Himself isn't light, anymore than sunlight is the sun itself. Noor is a Mithal (Symbol. Similitude, Likeness, Parable). The Quran is very clear that there is no Mithal (Symbol/Similitude) for Allah in Surah 42:11, but there is a Mithal (Symbol/Similitude) for His Noor (Light). The following Verse from the Quran is considered to by a major key to understanding Islamic Mysticism. It is often called the Ayatun-Noor (Verse of Light). The Surah (Chapter) that contains this verse is called Noor (Light).

"Allah is the Noor (Light) of the Heavens and the earth. The Mithal (Symbol) of His Noor is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: The Lamp enclosed in a Glass, The Glass as it were a brilliant Star, lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive neither of the East or the West; whose Oil is nearly luminous, though fire touches it not. Light upon Light! Allah guides whom He will to His Noor (Light). Allah sets forth Amthal (Symbols/Parables) for humankind: and Allah knows all things."
(Surah 24:35)

There is a very famous book which gives some insightful interpretation of this verse called Mishkat al Anwar (Niche for Lights) by Imam Ghazzali.

The Inner Light is often referred to as being "part of God" or "God within", but in Islam it is an effusion of His Light, not Himself, also called the Fayd Qudsi (Sacred Effusion). This inner light is often called Noor Muhammad (Light of Muhammad), which correlates to some degree with the Logos and the Supreme Buddha.

“Allah (SWT) created creation fi zulmatin (in darkness), then He
afada (effused, poured, cast) upon it from His Noor, whoever
was touched by that Noor, he is guided, and whoever is missed
by it is misguided, therefore I say the Pen is dry, all is in Allah’s
foreknowledge”
Hadith related by Ibn Umar


When the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) experienced the Miraj (Ascension),
through the seven heavens, and beyond the Upper Most Boundary of the Sidra
Tree, to the Hadhrat ul-Allah (Presence of Allah), each of these inward senses
became active, so that he heard the writing of the Pens, smelled the fragrance
of Jannah (Paradise) and then, when he ascended to the Throne, Allah An-Noor
enlightened his Heart (qalb), giving him an expanded, transcendent perception;
as recorded in Shifa as Sudoor.

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “A green carpet was lowered for me, it’s light
prevailed over the light of the sun, and my eyes glistened with it’s light. I was
taken on that carpet until I reached the Throne. There I saw something most
amazing which could not be described in words. A drop fell from the Throne
onto my tongue, which tasted so good, never has anyone tasted anything
better than it. There Allah (SWT) bestowed on me knowledge of the first and the
lasts and my heart was enlightened. The light of the Throne prevailed over my
eyesight and then I began to see from my heart, and from behind, and from in
between my shoulders as I see in my front.”

The phrase "Noor Allah" consists of Seven letters, the numeric value is 322 (3+2+2=7). 3X22=66, which is the numeric value of the word "Allah". 3-22=19. The numeric value of "Noor Muhammad" is 388 (3+8+8=19). 19 is a supreme Quranic number. The difference between the Numeric value of "Noor Allah" and "Noor Muhammad" is 66 ("Allah"), which is an indication that the difference between the Noor Muhammad (The Effusion) and the Noor Allah is Allah Himself. The Noor Allah refers to Allah The Creator, and the Noor Muhammad refers to light of creation.

Luciferianism can be traced back to Egypt / Khemet.

Salaam (Peace)

Do you believe that the Biblical version was influenced by the Khemet? And what do you think about the Babylonian King thing?

The link wasn't working for some reason but I got it now. Lucifer & Iblees BNG-PAGE