Aliens would prove the existence of god? -No. Not really.



But the existence of life on another planet, and intelligent life, can be a good thing for the religious people. The scientists and skeptics love to say how the life on earth is unique, the chances of the events who created life and us on earth to repeat on any other planet are virtually zero. So the chances are that we are probably alone in the universe, that our existence is just an aleatory event who will never repeat again.

Now imagine that we are not alone, there are other races around, not 1, but 2 3 20 57 (or whatever number you want) of intelligent aliens. Imagine there are other worlds with life, full of life.

With this scenario in mind we can start to speculate there is something else who made all this possible. Is not just an ordinary and aleatory event. Someone is responsible to put order in the chaos, now there is a meaning for life.

No matter what do you believe 'god' is, a supreme being or the existence itself or whatever people are now calling intelligent design... Finding alien beings on earth or mars would be a good deal for the catholics, muslims and any other religion. It would be a very strong argument to convince people the existence of a supreme entity or that something else is behind it all.

A few time ago the catholic church said there is no problem the believe on another form of life. Actually i never heard any priest from the catholics or any other religion to condemn or denied the existence of aliens. Our contrary every time i heard the religious people about this they always said the possibility was real and likely. About the et visitation is another story, some believe others dont.

I am not sure if aliens themselves will prove or disprove the existence of that psycho b@stard.

What comes out of their mouth will surely shake down the Earth religions, though.

Nah I can see someone attributing it to evolution pretty easy. imo it really wouldn't prove or disprove any side of those debates.

Thats the point, the evolution then wouldn't be arbitrary as we imagine.

lol what? Scientists believe life is EVERYWHERE. I have no idea what scientists you've been talking to. Current belief is that there are atleast 10 advanced civilizations in galaxies of our size at the same time. And life of some sort probably occupies most star systems. They have also found organic compounds in meteorite fragments here on earth.

In the multiverse theory the universe is infinite, as such there would be another earth, complete with doppelganger people, plants, buildings. Everything would be exactly the same.

In other words, it is a mathematical certainty that what appears to be random chance is actually just part of a pattern.
A really big pattern but a pattern none the less. One that repeats its self endlessly.

Which does not prove or disprove God, but if the multiverse is proven, it would suggest that God is Math.

Which make sense to me, without coffee and still half asleep

Well according to Frank Drake's estimations (via the Drake Equation) there are at least 10,000 advanced civilizations in the Milky Way Galaxy. Sagan expanded this estimation to a potential 10,000,000 in Cosmos. However, there is no way to know for sure, as the equation only works off suppositions about how common certain occurrences may be. We just don't know. However, it is mathematically improbable, if not impossible, for there not to be other life in the Milky Way Galaxy -- let alone the universe. There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on every beach and desert of planet Earth. Conservative estimations suggest the Milky Way to consist of at least 100 billion stars. Think about that for a moment. You might think "100" is a relatively large number, but you can count to 100 easy enough -- it takes just under two minutes. However, try counting to a billion, let alone a hundred billion. It would take you more than 30 years, counting at one second intervals, to count to one billion; 3,000 years to count to a hundred billion. The probability of us being alone is about as likely as flipping a coin and getting heads a thousand times in a row. Sure, it's "possible," but so tremendously unlikely as to be completely discounted.

W1n!

This is a speculation. And finding bacterias on a meteorite, or mars, is not the same of a full living planet.

Just playing with numbers... in the reality i think would be a very small number, not millions but more likely a dozen habitable planets.

Take mars as the example, its a very viable planet, why there is no evolved life there (not bacterias) when the earth is so full? This tell us the conditions to support life are extremely rare.

yeah aliens could prove there might be a god depending on which way you looked at it. it could also be looked at that aliens might of created us which disproves god as a being. i tend to think aliens created us as a experiment. like a survey watch who does what, whos having a war with who, at what rate we are evolving and advancing etc.

Why does everyone seem to think that Aliens from another planet would say anything that we would be interested in on this planet? Let's face it, their physiology would be different, so their medical sciences would have very little overlap with our needs. Their technology would be suited to them, so it wouldn't necessarily have any relevance to us. Their philosophy would be so different it would have very little interest to us - same with books, religion, and sex....

I don't think anyone is doubting that intelligent life is very rare; the vastness of the cosmos makes up for this "rarety" but most likely having millions of planets suitable for intelligent life.

Yet another evolution or adjustment on the church's part? Most religions, not all too long ago said that aliens were demons if they existed at all, LOL! Like we humans were the only life in the universe!
Well, to me god is in the same category as Santa Clause and the tooth fairy and we will definately prove there are other life forms in the universe before there is any proof of god. Gods were created by humans FOR humans and I cant believe a vast majority still believe in this fantasy. I'd like to think we're all going to heaven but there's just no reasoning which gets me even close to being a believer! Yet, its not a stretch for me at all to believe there are other life forms out there and that they could visit us through some means yet unknown to our relatively primitive science.
A lot of the same scepticle thinkers that denounce the alien phenom actually believe in god, lol... Go figure!

P.S. I dont mean to offend any religious folk here.. if I have I apologize, this is just my own opinion!

If the aliens are demons what are we? With all the psychos around and the gore festivus films from hollywood...


I remember there was a tv series once that showed a bunch of demons on a bar, they were drinking disconsolate about how humans become barbarians so the devils lost their appeal, was like they lost their job. That was a funny episode.

LOL, disgruntled demons
Absolutely.. we are the worst thing to happen to this planet (so far...), yet god loves us as we completely wreck his (or her? or IT?) creation and have now begun to defile the universe as well? C'mon now... People just need to feel saved and forgiven, and what better thing to forgive us than an imaginary entity that created it all. How convenient:-) I kind of feel like we are in the same league as any other bug, animal or parasite in this universe, nothing special.

If the aliens believe in a God or supreme being I wonder if people will fight to say that their God or supreme being is better than theirs. Just a thought.

So you're basing your judgement off of one solar system, out of trillions?? Keep in mind that the only solar system we have ever sufficiently explored had life. We've never sufficiently explored any other solar system. Sure, we've found a few odd ball solar systems with hot Jupiters in close orbits. However, as Frank Drake pointed out in the Rare Earth Debate on space.com,

"Only about 5 percent of the stars that have been studied sufficiently have hot Jupiters or Jupiters in elliptical orbits. The other 95 percent of the stars studied do not have hot Jupiters, and just what they have is still an open question. The latest discoveries, which depend on observations over a decade or more, are finding solar system analogs. This suggests that 95 percent of the stars- - for which the answers are not yet in -- could be similar to our own system. This is reason for optimism among those who expect solar system analogs to be abundant."

We don't even yet possess the necessary equipment to hunt for small, rocky, Earth-like worlds. We only have the capability at the present time of detecting massive Jupiter-like worlds by such methods as astrometry (used to look for the wobble caused by displacement by an orbiting object of great mass and gravity), transit photometry (periodic dimming of the star while eclipsed by massive Jupiter-like planets) and more complicated methods such as Doppler Spectroscopy (or radial velocity method; detects periodic velocity shifts of the stellar spectrum indicative of a large orbiting body). Within the next decade or two, NASA will be launching the Terrestrial Planet Finder. Only then will we discover just how common Earth-like planets really are, but scientists today are overwhelmingly optimistic.

So, out of the solar systems we've explored, there is a 100% success rate (but of course, we have only one example, so of course the success rate is 100% -- the point is, to proclaim that life is rare using our solar system as a model simply makes no logical sense). I don't know where you're getting your information from. It wouldn't happen to be the Rare Earth proponents would it (i.e. Ward and Brownlee)? Mars is not as viable a planet as you are assuming. It is much smaller than Earth (about half the size with 1/3 the gravity), and the lack of a molten core gives it a very weak, almost non-existant, magnetic field. Without a magnetic field the solar wind from the Sun is simply stripping away Mars' atmosphere, and the low gravity isn't helping matters either. Hydrogen is a vital element for life as we know it (H2O). On Mars, the gravity is such that lighter elements such as hydrogen would be the first to be lost to space. Mars was likely warm and wet in the early years after the solar system began to settle down. It had a molten-metal core at one point due to the heat caused by friction generated by constant asteroidal impacts. However, the lack of plate tectonics led to a cooling phase within Mars, and without the charges generated by currents caused by a molten core, the magnetic field dissipated. The warm and wet environment was likely sustained by a greenhouse effect caused by a large quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere that has since left its mark as the carbonic rocks on the surface today. Because Mars is so small, plate tectonics were not a possibility, thus the CO2 dense atmosphere was not recycled back from whence it came by volcanic activity (although volcanic activity existed long ago, this was prior to the cooling of the core). Don't even get me started on Venus...

Mars is not a good example of a "viable planet that went wrong," in fact, it was doomed from the start.

In my honest opinion, we will probably never know the answer for sure. I can see the human race completely destroying itself in an egoist fashion before we even get the damn answers.

actually in the multiversre, things would be nearly idntical but all would have minute or even even mammoth sized changes


i started a thread similar to what you are saying anarchy. i said that aliens have been mistaken for angels by biblical era people. oh, and nice avatar