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Darkwind
Why did God pick Muhammad, Moses, John the Baptist, Ezekiel, Abraham and others to be his prophets? What was it about these men that made God pick them? Why is there no women?
Lt_Ripley
it could be God has never picked a prophet.
Omnaka
Their spirits were Born with a tear from Fathers Spirit Eyes, They were not picked while incarnate, but were chosen at the birth of their conscious existance. (spirit).
Those whose spirit was created with the tear, are more apt to hear Father and Mother , while in carnate.

Love Omnaka
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QUOTE (Darkwind @ Jul 3 2008, 06:33 PM) *
Why did God pick Muhammad, Moses, John the Baptist, Ezekiel, Abraham and others to be his prophets? What was it about these men that made God pick them? Why is there no women?


God picks prophets for various reasons. For example, we know Moses was the most humble man on the face of the earth.

Numbers 12:3
(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
_CHE2_
So called prophets... pick themselves through there vanity and lust to stand out from other men, (im not religous but) doesnt it say somewhere that the meek shall inherit the Earth ! Dont see any mention of prophets in that statement, if they were truly messangers of Gods word you would think they would receive better treatment come judgement day !!
Omnaka
QUOTE (_CHE2_ @ Jul 3 2008, 11:58 PM) *
So called prophets... pick themselves through there vanity and lust to stand out from other men, (im not religous but) doesnt it say somewhere that the meek shall inherit the Earth ! Dont see any mention of prophets in that statement, if they were truly messangers of Gods word you would think they would receive better treatment come judgement day !!

None of the prophets called themself Prophets, They just started saying what The Lord and spirit told them to say. It was the people who called them prophets.

Even bro Jesus said he was not God , but a son of God, He said to pray to The Father.

He was a prophet, but never called himself a Prophet, only a son. here to share a message of love.

No vanity involved with saying What one knows about bFather and Mother (God). Infact most6 were ostracised and Martered because of their speaking on Behalf Of God and spirit, and were not called prophet untill after their death.

Most said things which went against the Majority of the times, Not an easy task, definatly not vain.

Love Omnaka
Omnaka
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Jul 3 2008, 11:33 PM) *
Why did God pick Muhammad, Moses, John the Baptist, Ezekiel, Abraham and others to be his prophets? What was it about these men that made God pick them? Why is there no women?

John The Baptist, Adam and Abraham, were all the same spirit, Michael, Father, and Mother's(God's) first born Spirit Son. The picking was done In spirit, Not Mortal.

Love Omnaka
Brahmana
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Jul 3 2008, 07:08 PM) *
John The Baptist, Adam and Abraham, were all the same spirit, Michael, Father, and Mother's(God's) first born Spirit Son. The picking was done In spirit, Not Mortal.

Love Omnaka



Agreed; and this probably has to do with the state of actual soul advancement. Some have already reached at-onement with God; and ONLY incarnate in the material plane for the purpose of leading others to same. That is one scenario. The other, that they, just like us, went through the cyclic process, but have advanced to higher spiritual levels than many others, and as such, again, incarnate mainly to point the way to God.

Likely that all the names mentioned by the OP have been here many, many times already.
Omnaka
QUOTE (brahman1888 @ Jul 4 2008, 12:46 AM) *
Agreed; and this probably has to do with the state of actual soul advancement. Some have already reached at-onement with God; and ONLY incarnate in the material plane for the purpose of leading others to same. That is one scenario. The other, that they, just like us, went through the cyclic process, but have advanced to higher spiritual levels than many others, and as such, again, incarnate mainly to point the way to God.

Likely that all the names mentioned by the OP have been here many, many times already.

Agreed Bro Brahman.

Love Omnaka
Darkwind
What about Muhammad why don't all the Abrahamic religions call him a prophet? Are the saints prophets?
hewak
Like every problem with religion we are faced with:

It varies from religion to religion.

But really, who knows? Maybe God thought that every prophet that he chose was worthy enough to carry his message. Maybe God picked their names out of a hat. Maybe it was because these men knew how to speak to an audience well enough that whatever the hell they'd say would sound believable enough to enable them to have masses of followers, crush their political and religious opponents, lead wars that they deemed were part of god's message, get the world to accept their dictation peacefully through faith, and guarantee them a spot in history.

Peoples' beliefs are always up for grabs, it just depends on who is the best at advertising.

Oh and hey Omnaka; did you ever get down to writing that book yet?
Mr Walker
Dont take this the wrong way, and take it with as big a pinch of salt as you like, but i often wonder why god revealed himself to me in such clear, physical and definitive ways.
First, im not a prophet and dont want to be one.
Second i did not ask, invite, or even expect god.( I actively disbelieved in god) He came barging into my life totally unexpectedly, and at first i simply did not accept what was happening.
So I often ask why me?

First i look at what the physical reality of god in ones life has meant for me. It is a great physical and emotional blessing once accepted, but you have to have something within you which is capable of accepting it. Actual knowledge of god would drive many people crazy, because of conflicting internal dialogues and expectations. You do have to accept gods existene and gods will, once you know he exists.

Secondly you have to be a person in whom gods physical presence will make a difference. If you are not going to completely change your life, once god has revealed himself, then that is of no benefit to you, or to god.

I honestly believe that if god revealed himself physically to some people they would basically say "P....... of and let me get on with what i was doing"

I had to explore my experiences with all the skills at my command (a very hig IQ, an excellent education, and a vast amount of reading all helped)

I still dont know if i have got it all right, but it works intellectually, and in practice for me, and thats good enough. Someone with lesser or different skills might interpret gods presence in very different ways.
I was able to stay sane basically because i had the skills to investigate and analyse carefully my experiences (some argue that i have simply confabulated them to stay sane, but both independent evidence and research of similar experiences by others, suggests otherwise.)

So basically i think god chose carefully those to whom he revealed himself. For a prophet or spiritual leader there must be one other quality, which i do not particularly have, nor want to have.
He/she must have the qualities and abilities of a natural leader, and be in a position where his authority can make a difference. He must also be prepared to sacrifice a lot to spread gods word. I get no sense that god expects this of me. He is content to have convinced me, and to have established a connection, and an ongoing communication, between us. I am more than happy that this is all he asks of me (apart from living my life at his will)

While women have indeed been prophets and leaders (At least one significant Bible based church was established by a woman prophet) they have often not had the cultural /social power to fulfil the role of a prophet in the largely patriachal and male dominated societies of the past. A woman leader would have been culturally unacceptable in those societies and they would have generally denied her leadership could be validated by god.
hewak
QUOTE (Mr Walker @ Jul 3 2008, 09:35 PM) *
Dont take this the wrong way, and take it with as big a pinch of salt as you like, but i often wonder why god revealed himself to me in such clear, physical and definitive ways.
First, im not a prophet and dont want to be one...


I'm not a believer in all of this or anything like it so I can't really say that I believe what you're saying. But don't worry, that's okay, because there's no way I can say I don't believe what you're saying. But if I were to actually be a believer, what you did say does make very much sense and is carefully reasoned rather than a "because god said so" answer. So thank you for putting some sanity on the part of your religion.

What I'm interested i is how you said that your god revealed himself to you, especially in the clear way that you say he did. Can you describe for me what happened? I'm just very interested, and you don't have to post it here if you don't want to, you can message me instead.
Cadetak
Picked their names out of a hat.
_CHE2_
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Jul 4 2008, 12:05 AM) *
None of the prophets called themself Prophets, They just started saying what The Lord and spirit told them to say. It was the people who called them prophets.

Even bro Jesus said he was not God , but a son of God, He said to pray to The Father.

He was a prophet, but never called himself a Prophet, only a son. here to share a message of love.

No vanity involved with saying What one knows about bFather and Mother (God). Infact most6 were ostracised and Martered because of their speaking on Behalf Of God and spirit, and were not called prophet untill after their death.

Most said things which went against the Majority of the times, Not an easy task, definatly not vain.

Love Omnaka



Of course its vanity ...... if I was to say to you now that God has chosen to speak to me and not you, what I am actually saying is I am a chosen one and you should do as I say !
If you came across a man in the street today, he told you God had spoken to him and told him how his people should behave (etc) and you should listen to him and do as he says..... would you?

More likely you would walk away thinking ...who the hell does he think he is ! OR you would call the local authorities and have him committed as a lunatic.

However it is very unlikely that you would offer blind faith and follow him....... WHY ? Because you would automatically assume God had NOT chosen him as his messanger..... therefor he chose himself !
Orcseeker
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Jul 4 2008, 09:05 AM) *
None of the prophets called themself Prophets, They just started saying what The Lord and spirit told them to say. It was the people who called them prophets.

Even bro Jesus said he was not God , but a son of God, He said to pray to The Father.

He was a prophet, but never called himself a Prophet, only a son. here to share a message of love.

No vanity involved with saying What one knows about bFather and Mother (God). Infact most6 were ostracised and Martered because of their speaking on Behalf Of God and spirit, and were not called prophet untill after their death.

Most said things which went against the Majority of the times, Not an easy task, definatly not vain.

Love Omnaka


Because they weren't calling themselves a prophet, they were still implying it and doing so in a way to be dubbed one.
Darkwind
QUOTE (Mr Walker @ Jul 4 2008, 02:35 AM) *
Dont take this the wrong way, and take it with as big a pinch of salt as you like, but i often wonder why god revealed himself to me in such clear, physical and definitive ways.
First, im not a prophet and dont want to be one.
Second i did not ask, invite, or even expect god.( I actively disbelieved in god) He came barging into my life totally unexpectedly, and at first i simply did not accept what was happening.
So I often ask why me?

First i look at what the physical reality of god in ones life has meant for me. It is a great physical and emotional blessing once accepted, but you have to have something within you which is capable of accepting it. Actual knowledge of god would drive many people crazy, because of conflicting internal dialogues and expectations. You do have to accept gods existene and gods will, once you know he exists.

Secondly you have to be a person in whom gods physical presence will make a difference. If you are not going to completely change your life, once god has revealed himself, then that is of no benefit to you, or to god.

I honestly believe that if god revealed himself physically to some people they would basically say "P....... of and let me get on with what i was doing"

I had to explore my experiences with all the skills at my command (a very hig IQ, an excellent education, and a vast amount of reading all helped)

I still dont know if i have got it all right, but it works intellectually, and in practice for me, and thats good enough. Someone with lesser or different skills might interpret gods presence in very different ways.
I was able to stay sane basically because i had the skills to investigate and analyse carefully my experiences (some argue that i have simply confabulated them to stay sane, but both independent evidence and research of similar experiences by others, suggests otherwise.)

So basically i think god chose carefully those to whom he revealed himself. For a prophet or spiritual leader there must be one other quality, which i do not particularly have, nor want to have.
He/she must have the qualities and abilities of a natural leader, and be in a position where his authority can make a difference. He must also be prepared to sacrifice a lot to spread gods word. I get no sense that god expects this of me. He is content to have convinced me, and to have established a connection, and an ongoing communication, between us. I am more than happy that this is all he asks of me (apart from living my life at his will)

While women have indeed been prophets and leaders (At least one significant Bible based church was established by a woman prophet) they have often not had the cultural /social power to fulfil the role of a prophet in the largely patriachal and male dominated societies of the past. A woman leader would have been culturally unacceptable in those societies and they would have generally denied her leadership could be validated by god.


In neo-Pagan circles it is not all that uncommon to see the phyical presents of a God or Goddess, to have more than one person see them at once is less common, but it happens. It has happen to me more than once. I didn't go shouting it to the roof tops, because to me it is not that big a deal and the message was personal for the most part. They want me in a role of leadership and seem to be grooming for it. I do what I can within my limitations and they seem happy with it. Its my choice whether to act or not.


graylady2
QUOTE (WalkingWithFire @ Jul 3 2008, 04:50 PM) *
God picks prophets for various reasons. For example, we know Moses was the most humble man on the face of the earth.

Numbers 12:3
(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)


So, when did Moses become meek? When he was an Egyptian, or after he destroyed the 10 commandments?
Omnaka
QUOTE (_CHE2_ @ Jul 4 2008, 10:42 AM) *
Of course its vanity ...... if I was to say to you now that God has chosen to speak to me and not you, what I am actually saying is I am a chosen one and you should do as I say !
If you came across a man in the street today, he told you God had spoken to him and told him how his people should behave (etc) and you should listen to him and do as he says..... would you?

More likely you would walk away thinking ...who the hell does he think he is ! OR you would call the local authorities and have him committed as a lunatic.

However it is very unlikely that you would offer blind faith and follow him....... WHY ? Because you would automatically assume God had NOT chosen him as his messanger..... therefor he chose himself !

If someone says God spoke to them , I would assume nothing, because I know Father and Mother can speak to and through anyone.I would ask what God said, and then see if the message was for me. I do not automatically label things I know not , or judge those who speak diferent ly than me.

Yes I would listen, and let my heart decide, The judgement heaped on my Brother Jesus was unjustified , unless one judges as You, and discounts at the mention of God speaking to anyone.

It's not so much someone being better than another , because he can Hear God, But more that he can hear God, or knows how to listen to God.

The pain the prophets endoured at the hands of those who judged them, does not make one vain, and If God spoke to you, would you say what God said, or would you be afraid to , especially knowing how you would treat someone who Has spoken, or claimed to speak to God?

Many would be afraid to tell what God said, and God knowing those hearts would not ask these people to do it.

I have spoken to Father and Mother alot, and it does not Matter what you think of Me because of this, I still tell what I know, everywhere I go. Iam no prophet,, but a son who can hear.

Love Omnaka
Brahmana
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Jul 4 2008, 04:34 PM) *
If someone says God spoke to them , I would assume nothing, because I know Father and Mother can speak to and through anyone.I would ask what God said, and then see if the message was for me. I do not automatically label things I know not , or judge those who speak diferent ly than me.

Yes I would listen, and let my heart decide, The judgement heaped on my Brother Jesus was unjustified , unless one judges as You, and discounts at the mention of God speaking to anyone.

It's not so much someone being better than another , because he can Hear God, But more that he can hear God, or knows how to listen to God.

The pain the prophets endoured at the hands of those who judged them, does not make one vain, and If God spoke to you, would you say what God said, or would you be afraid to , especially knowing how you would treat someone who Has spoken, or claimed to speak to God?

Many would be afraid to tell what God said, and God knowing those hearts would not ask these people to do it.

I have spoken to Father and Mother alot, and it does not Matter what you think of Me because of this, I still tell what I know, everywhere I go. Iam no prophet,, but a son who can hear.

Love Omnaka


.....To me God can and does speak to ALL believers through the Holy Spirit in one way or another. It can be through a megaphone or a whisper, but it is there. It is as Omnaka says; the key here is to know how to truly LISTEN. We think that because we read scriptures and say our devotions, that we know God. Know His desires. But do we? This is arrogance. That's why a lot of the prophets, and the disciples, for that matter were typically outcasts, or uneducated, or whatever......because it is easier to pierce the ever present human ego. He speaks to those who are READY to listen.
Darkwind
QUOTE (brahman1888 @ Jul 5 2008, 05:32 AM) *
.....To me God can and does speak to ALL believers through the Holy Spirit in one way or another. It can be through a megaphone or a whisper, but it is there. It is as Omnaka says; the key here is to know how to truly LISTEN. We think that because we read scriptures and say our devotions, that we know God. Know His desires. But do we? This is arrogance. That's why a lot of the prophets, and the disciples, for that matter were typically outcasts, or uneducated, or whatever......because it is easier to pierce the ever present human ego. He speaks to those who are READY to listen.


I would agree, it sounds like something a Pagan would say about their Gods. When you are ready they will call and speak to you.
Mr Walker
QUOTE (_CHE2_ @ Jul 4 2008, 07:12 PM) *
Of course its vanity ...... if I was to say to you now that God has chosen to speak to me and not you, what I am actually saying is I am a chosen one and you should do as I say !
If you came across a man in the street today, he told you God had spoken to him and told him how his people should behave (etc) and you should listen to him and do as he says..... would you?

More likely you would walk away thinking ...who the hell does he think he is ! OR you would call the local authorities and have him committed as a lunatic.

However it is very unlikely that you would offer blind faith and follow him....... WHY ? Because you would automatically assume God had NOT chosen him as his messanger..... therefor he chose himself !

All this is very true, yet you need to reflect , if you were that man and had his experience, would you be able to keep quiet about it.

Remember, to you, it is both real and, in being real, absolutely compelling. Personally i would not be brave enough to stand in the physical presence of an entity which displayed the powers and intent of a god and say no, if what it was asking was obviously good for me, and for those i spoke to. If it asked me to do harm, i would have to be more circumspect.

If the experience is real there is no vanity in speaking out. You are simply relating a truth. In a way, not speaking would be to live a lie.
Mr Walker
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Jul 4 2008, 11:05 PM) *
In neo-Pagan circles it is not all that uncommon to see the phyical presents of a God or Goddess, to have more than one person see them at once is less common, but it happens. It has happen to me more than once. I didn't go shouting it to the roof tops, because to me it is not that big a deal and the message was personal for the most part. They want me in a role of leadership and seem to be grooming for it. I do what I can within my limitations and they seem happy with it. Its my choice whether to act or not.

I wish more people would share such experiences. I told no one of mine (except my wife) for two decades, while they continued,and while I came to study and understand them. However, the fewer people from all beliefs who speak of them, the more some people have the ammunition to argue that such experiences can not have objective reality, and are pure delusion or hallucination.

It is understandably difficult, and even dangerous, to speak publicly in the real world about such experiences , but this type of forum is an ideal place to share experiences and to learn from others.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (brahman1888 @ Jul 5 2008, 12:32 AM) *
.....To me God can and does speak to ALL believers through the Holy Spirit in one way or another. It can be through a megaphone or a whisper, but it is there. It is as Omnaka says; the key here is to know how to truly LISTEN. We think that because we read scriptures and say our devotions, that we know God. Know His desires. But do we? This is arrogance. That's why a lot of the prophets, and the disciples, for that matter were typically outcasts, or uneducated, or whatever......because it is easier to pierce the ever present human ego. He speaks to those who are READY to listen.

I agree with you guys.... Omnaka, Mr Walker, Brahman...You couldnt be more right...

We must be ready to hear what the message is and ready to LISTEN! Ego must go. Ego is that of a foolish person, not a wise one.

I like this thread!
Virgo
I agree as well its all about the ability to listen as well as a vibration level of particular souls. These souls that have, lets say, a higher vibration, come into this world with certain intuitions for how to be an instrument for the spirit. They didnt necessarily KNOW why they felt the need to live a certain way (such as not eating meat or having strong drink), but for some reason they all did. To me, just to know that the prophets in the OT and John the Baptist and James the Righteous did not eat meat or drink strong drink shows us that they were living with a higher intuition of 'what is pure'. Just my thoughts.
Darkwind
QUOTE (Virgo @ Jul 5 2008, 02:56 PM) *
I agree as well its all about the ability to listen as well as a vibration level of particular souls. These souls that have, lets say, a higher vibration, come into this world with certain intuitions for how to be an instrument for the spirit. They didnt necessarily KNOW why they felt the need to live a certain way (such as not eating meat or having strong drink), but for some reason they all did. To me, just to know that the prophets in the OT and John the Baptist and James the Righteous did not eat meat or drink strong drink shows us that they were living with a higher intuition of 'what is pure'. Just my thoughts.


If I recall this right I think I heard Noah was a drinker, which most likely is why no one believed him. Most of the Prophets of the OT were shepherds, and shepherds generally eat meat. Abraham did blood sacrifice in the form of a lam. Actually most of the OT prophets did blood sacrifice.
Virgo
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Jul 5 2008, 04:39 PM) *
If I recall this right I think I heard Noah was a drinker, which most likely is why no one believed him. Most of the Prophets of the OT were shepherds, and shepherds generally eat meat. Abraham did blood sacrifice in the form of a lam. Actually most of the OT prophets did blood sacrifice.



I dont see Abraham as a prophet. My reasons....for exactly what you pointed out. They were consumed in the blood sacrifices. This was an evolutionary time of the soul evolving with the Father. There had to be atonement, the making of a new covenant. Just because someone has a connection to 'talk with God' does not automatically make them a prophet. Its very likely Noah was not a prophet either. The story of Noah being drunk is well known, its ironic that many myth stories have something similar, and that it was during this drunken state that a son took something of spiritual importance that he had no right to take. The old old old stories such as Moses, Abraham and Noah, could have alot of distortions, that actually come from older stories from different myths. Not saying all myths are myths, because I personally believe that many myths contain a hint of truth, its just putting the pieces together can never be absolute. Prophets did not kill, did not hate, did not partake in blood sacrifices, they did not eat flesh or partake of strong drink. You can see how God made his highway, to bring souls to higher levels for a more clear connection. This it self is a sign, to show us its a process, God comes to see his vineyard, he keeps finding rotten fruit, he keeps showing his patience and love by setting a way to become closer, every time. God has shown us that this is a long process, to evolve souls to purity.
Darkwind
So you are not a Christian, Virgo?
brave_new_world
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Jul 4 2008, 07:33 AM) *
Why did God pick Muhammad, Moses, John the Baptist, Ezekiel, Abraham and others to be his prophets? What was it about these men that made God pick them? Why is there no women?


Well God for me doesnt start nor finish with a bible. Julian of Norwich I consider to be a prophet and St. Catherine of Genoa, St. Catherine of Siena and there are others I cant name off the top of my head.
Virgo
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Jul 5 2008, 04:31 PM) *
So you are not a Christian, Virgo?


I do not claim to any particular religion, but there is truth in them all. You dont need religion to have faith. In my personal experience, religion can limit your boundaries. I believe in Christ...does that make me a Christian? No, because I believe, unlike most Christians, that the Bible is errored by human hands. It has truth yes, and you use your spirit within you to find the truth. I dont recall God saying 'Ok, these are the books that should be in the ONE book'...it was man who decided what books to be in the Bible. I feel many were left out and some have been passed on for so long there is bound to be some additions or changes to suit that one persons particular thoughts. I used to be a Christian, and it led me to an even higher growth, allowing my mind to be open. I dont judge anyone who claims to follow a certain religion, for religion can open the gate for you. Sometimes, religion can provide enough growth for a soul, sometimes a soul needs the more. Faith is my religion.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
Ok you Christian Mutt!!!! Me too. lol

Virgo,
I agree with you Virgo..I forget who has the saying on their signature "God is too big to fit inside the box", or one book for that matter, although I do beleive that what is there is good..I also feel there is more..as we now know about the dead sea scrolls etc... Humans did decide (King James) what went in and out... I think women played more a role then we think also.

We do all have alot to learn from other religions too...Not all are right and not all are wrong...
Although I feel Christian, I beleive in reincarnation... It feels right to me for some reason..and this goes AGAINST Christianity....I feel some of the Pagan thoughts are right too. And Islam.....Although this Islam belefi came from both the Jewish texts and Christianity's bible for its foundation. I seek the spirituality of Christ.

We can learn alot from each other if some can just drop the hate and prejudice in this world...
Lets look for the commonality instead of the differences and build from there.
Blessings
Brahmana
QUOTE (Virgo @ Jul 5 2008, 01:03 PM) *
I do not claim to any particular religion, but there is truth in them all. You dont need religion to have faith. In my personal experience, religion can limit your boundaries. I believe in Christ...does that make me a Christian? No, because I believe, unlike most Christians, that the Bible is errored by human hands. It has truth yes, and you use your spirit within you to find the truth. I dont recall God saying 'Ok, these are the books that should be in the ONE book'...it was man who decided what books to be in the Bible. I feel many were left out and some have been passed on for so long there is bound to be some additions or changes to suit that one persons particular thoughts. I used to be a Christian, and it led me to an even higher growth, allowing my mind to be open. I dont judge anyone who claims to follow a certain religion, for religion can open the gate for you. Sometimes, religion can provide enough growth for a soul, sometimes a soul needs the more. Faith is my religion.



Sounds like you and I are the same wavelength my friend.
therion24
I dont think we will ever know the answers you seek. At least not till your dead if you believe the bible. One theory is be picks the most devout, holy people on the planet. Personally I dont believe that I think everything is pre-determined nothing is coincidence or random.
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