Nxt2Hvn
Mar 4 2004, 03:58 PM
Everyone jumped all over Steve Irwin for holding his baby with feedinig a crocodile.....But look at what these women do to their children.....Shiite Muslim child Mahmoud Slieman after his mother cut him with a sword during the annual ritual to mark Ashoura Day in the southern Lebanese town of Nabatiyeh, Tuesday March 2, 2004........
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Kellalor
Mar 4 2004, 04:15 PM
Whoa...
mowo
Mar 4 2004, 04:21 PM
Its disturbing what some people will do in the name of religion.
I do think that naming this topic "Muslim women cut their babies in celebration" is a bit misleading, as it implies all muslims indulge in this behaviour. A bit like saying "Catholics throw grenades at peoples funerals"
Just my opinion...
X~File_Agent
Mar 4 2004, 04:24 PM
Good point mowo about the title. I think there's a certain point when you have to sit back and think to yourself, how much love would a religious god have, if he wanted you to slay your child for him.
That's just my 2 cents. A very disturbing article indeed.
Nxt2Hvn
Mar 4 2004, 04:37 PM
I think it is amazing that there seem to be no Child Abuse Laws... or any other type of Abuse Laws over there.
It just seems to be accepted... very disturbing!
X~File_Agent
Mar 4 2004, 04:44 PM
If I'm not mistaken, they don't have separataion of church and state. So a lot of their laws revolve around their religion. Which in turn makes their actions, perfectly legal. But I could be wrong.
Nxt2Hvn
Mar 4 2004, 04:53 PM
| QUOTE (X~File_Agent @ Mar 4 2004, 03:44 PM) |
| If I'm not mistaken, they don't have separataion of church and state. So a lot of their laws revolve around their religion. Which in turn makes their actions, perfectly legal. But I could be wrong. |
If that is true .. that is scary!!!
As you know ... Here in the U.S. if you did something like that .. you would have your child taken away and put in prison!
It just boggles my mind how countries with different cultures get away with things that most country's would never tolerate!!!
It's really barbaric...Just really makes me mad!
I mean look back at the Steve Irwin case... his child was not harmed in any way... but just the chance that he could have been harmed was enough to get many people enraged.. saying he shoudl be charged with child abuse!!!
This poor child was cut and covered in blood.... and I am sure nobody will say anything!
SilverCougar
Mar 4 2004, 08:35 PM
Different culture.
I'm sure some of the stuff we do over here makes them think the same thing.
The Krow
Mar 4 2004, 09:01 PM
Another day, another fudged up thing going on...
Its all part of our crazy world...best thing to do is to suck it up and accept it
sarkypi
Mar 4 2004, 10:13 PM
ok where is that kid cut... he doesn't look that upset about it ?
dantheman2435
Mar 4 2004, 10:20 PM

scary stuff.....

poor baby...
Spartan
Mar 4 2004, 10:25 PM
We must acsept it
through out the years many people around the world express diffrent ways of expressing there believes to a higher order (or disorder,haha)
from killing lions to choping your finger of becouse you failed the higher order haha or through beliving in a God and doing all sorts of things i will not get into.
we must look at everything if we are to call something barberic,
money couses more barberic deeds than muslim couses
and the list goes on,
The Krow is basically right with this one
And why Lebanese...most of my Leb freinds are Christian(Hard core style,haha)
they dont see eye to eye,so you cant say Leb.
any way its the child that makes it worst in the deed
if its wrong the grown ups will pay for it ,even by there believes
Take care all
| QUOTE |
| ok where is that kid cut... he doesn't look that upset about it ? |
Are you blind? Isn't it rather obvious? Duh!
ambyglam
Mar 5 2004, 05:26 PM
| QUOTE (Nxt2Hvn @ Mar 4 2004, 03:53 PM) |
As you know ... Here in the U.S. if you did something like that .. you would have your child taken away and put in prison!
|
thats a bit harsh on the child!
why not put the parents in prison?
and americans say they have decent laws!
lol
wunarmdscissor
Mar 5 2004, 05:35 PM
lol good one amby
Look while you may not agree with it you have to understand its another culture an like someone said earlier things that we do may disgust them.
IM not sayin i agree with it though.
I dont think lebanon is a religious state by the way.
There probably are laws in the country against doin what they did but like most cases like this the government wouldnt want to cause unrest by gettin involved in a religious cerimony or festival.
shirini
Mar 5 2004, 05:57 PM
I hope you all realize that not all Muslim people celebrate (?); sorry I do not know much about this holidays, this way. This something villagers do, or if the family is an official member of the mosque.
Do get me wrong they do cut themselves, never know they cut their kids, but this particle family must be far-gone in their religious belief. There also this other holiday that the men hit themselves with chains the whole day, even after there are covered in blood and their bones are broken.
Steve Irwin is a experienced professional, and he knows exactly what his doing. I know both cases to us look so barbaric to us, but remember we do a lot stuff that looks barbaric to other people.
odinsupreme
Mar 5 2004, 06:04 PM
I can't imagen that the catholic church wan't us to hurt our selves or people we love... That just stupid.
And those woman did just that, so they are stupid. Period.
odin
Nxt2Hvn
Mar 5 2004, 06:43 PM
| QUOTE (ambyglam1 @ Mar 5 2004, 04:26 PM) |
| QUOTE (Nxt2Hvn @ Mar 4 2004, 03:53 PM) | As you know ... Here in the U.S. if you did something like that .. you would have your child taken away and put in prison!
|
thats a bit harsh on the child! why not put the parents in prison? and americans say they have decent laws! lol  |
Okay Amby.. I hope you were kidding.....you're not that slow.....
It seems that I worded that wrong... What I meant to say is....
"As you know ... Here in the U.S. if you did something like that .. you would have your child taken away and
THE PARENT WOULD BE put in prison!
Come on now... really... you didn't really think that we took the child away and put THE CHILD in prison did you?
SilverCougar
Mar 5 2004, 06:52 PM
InfoMore info. (Bloody pic to..careful there)Nothing barbaric with it. They even have medical teams there incase someone cuts abit to much...
wunarmdscissor
Mar 5 2004, 06:57 PM
lol nxt2hvn lol of course he knew what u were talking about lol.
Nxt2Hvn
Mar 5 2004, 07:04 PM
So you are saying ... you would cut your kids until they bleed?
Nothing barbaric about that huh?

Not sure where you are from .. but here in the U.S. you would get locked up for that!
Chris_com28
Mar 6 2004, 02:30 AM
I'm a big believer in consensual feedom and I'm sure a baby as young as that isn't old enough or mature enough to make such a decision like that. They're still developing mentally and most of them haven't even developed bsic morals at that point so what makes them think they're old enough to understand something so bizzare?
It's like forcing your child to go to church though I think this is likely to cause more damage than any church could.
bathory
Mar 6 2004, 02:54 AM
some cultures need to move out of 10BC and join 2004.
MaNgO_gIrL_hErE
Mar 6 2004, 12:11 PM
My mother is Lebanese (Christian), and I was born in Lebanon and go there very often. I've never heard of anything like this before. Lebanon is a country where there are people from many different religious backgrounds. This is why (i think) there are no laws regarding things like this. If the government did try to do something about this, there would probably be riots by the Shiites. It would be interfeering in what they believe in. The government wouldn't want another war breaking within Lebanon over religious matters like in the past.
Chris_com28
Mar 6 2004, 01:33 PM
I would like to know more about how with affects young children but I've got college work. Someone do it for me!
Talon
Mar 6 2004, 06:13 PM
Tut Tut All of you people should be ashamed of condeming this woman, after all, according to Political Correctness her culture is JUST as valid as yours
SilverCougar
Mar 6 2004, 09:07 PM
| QUOTE (Nxt2Hvn @ Mar 5 2004, 06:04 PM) |
So you are saying ... you would cut your kids until they bleed? Nothing barbaric about that huh?  Not sure where you are from .. but here in the U.S. you would get locked up for that! |
The states as well ;P
And I'm not saying *I* would do that. Hell I don't even want kids. enough people on this damned planet as it is.
I'm saying it's a different culture, differnt reasons, and to them, it's all valid.
And like I said, I'm sure there are some things we do over here that makes them think we're just as "barbaric".
The links I gave were more info then just a pic of a baby with blood on his face and a blurb of "Mother cuts baby in religious ritual" to help people who were accually cruious as to why and not just go "OMGS HOW BARBARIC!!" cries.
And for all that "Well if you do that over here..." It wasn't done over here. So there's no real point in saying that.
Talon
Mar 6 2004, 09:19 PM
| QUOTE |
| And for all that "Well if you do that over here..." It wasn't done over here. So there's no real point in saying that. |
Don't quite agree with that, its like your agreeing with all the 'injustice' overseas just because its not here. For example, all those countries were women are treated as slaves, killed because the family wanted a son, locked in a room for her life because dowry fees are to expensive, stoned if she doesn't cover every inch of her body in public.
Actually, just realised I can't use that example... best put in disclaimer befor I'm called a racist

Disclaimer: Now, for all the PC people I'm not saying this is wrong, obviously all of the above is perfectly acceptable, because everyone remember their culture is JUST as valid as yours.
However, lets say that they did somthing which actually could by-pass the PC people long enough to actually be considered an injustice, or at least to us (like a western tourist going abroad and being kidnapped), does that mean because its not happening here its okay?
Talon
Mar 6 2004, 09:38 PM
| QUOTE |
| And like I said, I'm sure there are some things we do over here that makes them think we're just as "barbaric". |
True, off the top of my head.... The vote... Woman's rights

Disclaimer: In case anyone thinks I'm being offensive, I'm not... I'm just showing my utter contempt for PC
SilverCougar
Mar 7 2004, 12:05 AM
| QUOTE (Talon S. @ Mar 6 2004, 08:19 PM) |
| QUOTE | | And for all that "Well if you do that over here..." It wasn't done over here. So there's no real point in saying that. |
Don't quite agree with that, its like your agreeing with all the 'injustice' overseas just because its not here. For example, all those countries were women are treated as slaves, killed because the family wanted a son, locked in a room for her life because dowry fees are to expensive, stoned if she doesn't cover every inch of her body in public. Actually, just realised I can't use that example... best put in disclaimer befor I'm called a racist  Disclaimer: Now, for all the PC people I'm not saying this is wrong, obviously all of the above is perfectly acceptable, because everyone remember their culture is JUST as valid as yours. However, lets say that they did somthing which actually could by-pass the PC people long enough to actually be considered an injustice, or at least to us (like a western tourist going abroad and being kidnapped), does that mean because its not happening here its okay? |
*shrugs* What of the US kid that got caned over in Signapor.
See, some people like to think "It can't happen to us." Well.. it can.
Everything's a two way street. Everything has different shades of right and wrong.
Talon
Mar 7 2004, 03:40 PM
| QUOTE |
| *shrugs* What of the US kid that got caned over in Signapor. |
My god, its to late, its already acceptable, nothing is wrong, everything is justified.
I think I'll go out an kill some of my enemies, and when I'm arrested I'll simply sue the police for discriminating against my new religion which clearly states 'Do unto others before they do unto you'.
Bangali
Mar 7 2004, 04:13 PM
I will never go back to my country again....
SilverCougar
Mar 7 2004, 09:01 PM
| QUOTE (Talon S. @ Mar 7 2004, 02:40 PM) |
| QUOTE | | *shrugs* What of the US kid that got caned over in Signapor. |
My god, its to late, its already acceptable, nothing is wrong, everything is justified.
I think I'll go out an kill some of my enemies, and when I'm arrested I'll simply sue the police for discriminating against my new religion which clearly states 'Do unto others before they do unto you'.
|
Get right on that
Mekorig
Mar 8 2004, 01:01 PM
OH NO!!!!
THE JEWS CUT HIS BABIES PENIS SKIN IN A RELIGIOUS CELEBRATION!!!
AND IN THE USA THE PARENTS LETS HIS KIDS TO SEE SEX IN THE TV AND EAT GARBAGE (FAST FOOD) ALL THE TIME!!!
(irony)
Nxt2Hvn, learn to acept the religios traditions of others and dont be so etnocentric. Because this tradition isnt common to your culture, that doesnt mean that is barbaric.
ambyglam
Mar 8 2004, 01:20 PM
| QUOTE (Nxt2Hvn @ Mar 5 2004, 06:43 PM) |
| QUOTE (ambyglam1 @ Mar 5 2004, 04:26 PM) | | QUOTE (Nxt2Hvn @ Mar 4 2004, 03:53 PM) | As you know ... Here in the U.S. if you did something like that .. you would have your child taken away and put in prison!
|
thats a bit harsh on the child! why not put the parents in prison? and americans say they have decent laws! lol  |
Okay Amby.. I hope you were kidding.....you're not that slow..... It seems that I worded that wrong... What I meant to say is.... "As you know ... Here in the U.S. if you did something like that .. you would have your child taken away and THE PARENT WOULD BE put in prison! Come on now... really... you didn't really think that we took the child away and put THE CHILD in prison did you? |
i was being my usual witty self, actually!
ambyglam
Mar 8 2004, 01:27 PM
| QUOTE (Mekorig @ Mar 8 2004, 01:01 PM) |
THE JEWS CUT HIS BABIES PENIS SKIN IN A RELIGIOUS CELEBRATION!!!
|
but that IS barbaric!
a foreskin is there because its meant to be there!
if someone decided that they wanted their babys ear cut off then there would be an outcry!
however, 'oh a foreskin, certainly we can cut that off your baby", its just WRONG!
foreskins are there because they serve a useful purpose!
most people i know who has been circumsised wish they had never had it done!
so i think when it comes to MUTILATION of your child, ITS JUST NOT ON!
anyway now they are even using cutt off foreskins in plastic surgey, for example pete burns' lips!
its just wrong and unless there is a medical reason, then thereis no reason.
Mekorig
Mar 8 2004, 04:42 PM
Well, i know that the circuncicion is good because help a lot to prevent prostate cancer, acumulation of dirt in the penis, more sensibility in the penis head (more plasure) and penis fismosis (i dont know how to translate that medical condition).
ambyglam
Mar 9 2004, 12:16 AM
| QUOTE (Mekorig @ Mar 8 2004, 04:42 PM) |
| Well, i know that the circuncicion is good because help a lot to prevent prostate cancer, acumulation of dirt in the penis, more sensibility in the penis head (more plasure) and penis fismosis (i dont know how to translate that medical condition). |
eating lots of tomatoes also helps prevent against prostate cancer
washing ones self properly combats against a build up of dirt
and circumcision DEcreases the sensitivity of the penis as the sensitive area (glans) is not protected by its nice cosy jacket!
and since u dont know what the last one is i cant comment!
Mekorig
Mar 9 2004, 01:07 AM
its a malformation of the penis head that causes early eyac. it can be healed whit cirnscucicion, when the head took his natural form.
But, i am not jew, and my friend is well protected by the skin. Are you all right
big buddy?
ambyglam
Mar 9 2004, 01:40 AM
as i said i think its fine for medical reasons, but not for anything else!
sarkypi
Mar 9 2004, 02:09 AM
Ouch...Reading this makes me glad that I am a girl.
ambyglam
Mar 9 2004, 02:15 AM
| QUOTE (sarkypi @ Mar 9 2004, 02:09 AM) |
| Ouch...Reading this makes me glad that I am a girl. |
dont u mean a girl in your own culture!
in some cultures girls are 'circumsised', where they have their clitoris and labia removed soon after birth, so that they find no pleasure having sex, only the man does.
see, its not all plain sailing!
Nxt2Hvn
Mar 9 2004, 02:16 AM
| QUOTE (Mekorig @ Mar 8 2004, 01:01 PM) |
Nxt2Hvn, learn to acept the religios traditions of others and dont be so etnocentric. Because this tradition isnt common to your culture, that doesnt mean that is barbaric. |
You know.. this is really amazing....
I got ridiculed for taking up for Steve Irwin.... when almost everyone here was against him and the fact that he was holding his baby while feeding a crocodile...
But this poor child is bleeding .... and I am being silly for thinking it is barbaric....
WHATEVER!!!!!
So funny that people were ready to slap Steve Irwin with Child Abuse charges.... and it is funny to see that most of you are taking up for this woman....
You stick to your morals and I will stick to mine!
I AM FINISHED HERE!!!...
But you guys can go on and on and on and on ......
Whatever tickes your fancy!
Mekorig
Mar 9 2004, 12:56 PM
| QUOTE (Nxt2Hvn @ Mar 9 2004, 02:16 AM) |
| QUOTE (Mekorig @ Mar 8 2004, 01:01 PM) | Nxt2Hvn, learn to acept the religios traditions of others and dont be so etnocentric. Because this tradition isnt common to your culture, that doesnt mean that is barbaric. |
You know.. this is really amazing.... I got ridiculed for taking up for Steve Irwin.... when almost everyone here was against him and the fact that he was holding his baby while feeding a crocodile... But this poor child is bleeding .... and I am being silly for thinking it is barbaric.... WHATEVER!!!!! So funny that people were ready to slap Steve Irwin with Child Abuse charges.... and it is funny to see that most of you are taking up for this woman.... You stick to your morals and I will stick to mine! I AM FINISHED HERE!!!... But you guys can go on and on and on and on ...... Whatever tickes your fancy! |
1st: i am also whit Steve Irwin. He is a profecional how knows the danger of cocodriles. His son was safe.
2nd: When a kid is circunsciced he also bleed, and a lot (i see one cirnscuncicion once), but no one said that is barbaric. When a 11 years old kid had severe weight problems no one said the the conduct of his parents is barbaric. its a cultural theme. You can be opkay whit the traditions fo others cultures, but dont take it for barbaric or evil.
KayEl
Mar 9 2004, 01:12 PM
You are so right. In a way, before we get all high and mighty, we have pretty barbaric rituals here, like circumcision, and not even for religious purpose (even then it is pretty stupid to begin with)! It is done under the guise of cleanliness.
Once again goes to show how people in the US never really matured. Guys can't clean themselves down there? What are we, invalids?
Luckily that trend is changing.
ambyglam
Mar 9 2004, 05:28 PM
| QUOTE (Mekorig @ Mar 9 2004, 12:56 PM) |
2nd: When a kid is circunsciced he also bleed, and a lot (i see one cirnscuncicion once), but no one said that is barbaric. |
WRONG! IM SAYING IT IS BARBARIC!
what could be more barbaric then circumcision done on a baby, except maybe the female version!
Mekorig
Mar 9 2004, 09:29 PM
i dont aprove the female cirnscuncicion, but i dont said that the people how do it are barbarians, evil or criminals....has for the male cirnscuncicoon...i dont care.
Nxt2Hvn
Mar 9 2004, 09:31 PM
| QUOTE |
| as for the male cirnscuncicoon...i dont care. |
LOL... well stated!!!
ambyglam
Mar 9 2004, 11:19 PM
| QUOTE (Nxt2Hvn @ Mar 9 2004, 09:31 PM) |
| QUOTE | | as for the male cirnscuncicoon...i dont care. |
LOL... well stated!!! |
i cant believe u said that,...........poor winkies!
Scorpius
Mar 9 2004, 11:51 PM
I'm wondering who exactly told them to cut themselves? A celebration of their martyr? I thought a celebration was supposed to be a joyous occation and not a painful one. I bet their are some parents who forced their children to enter into this, which is what i'm worried about.
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Talkin' about circumcision eh?
Circumcision:This rite, practised before, as some think, by divers races, was
appointed by God to be the special badge of his chosen people, an abiding sign
of their consecration to him.
I'm not Jewish in particular but i'm circumcised. Religiously, I'm proud of it. If this helps me into the paradise of God then so be it. Sure its uncomfortable after the surgey but hey, I felt like I was Scottish wearin' a somewhat lookin' kilt--now that was comfortable, especially showin my brothers the full moon

. Since pants and shorts were out of the question. I'm not going to explain that, think about it.
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