What was there before this Big Bang had occired - ??

Scientists and philosophers say that this whole universe was created ast the time of big Bang. That time everything was packed together and highly densed (correct me if i am wrong) and a violent explosion occured that time which caused the Big Bang to occur and this universe was formed. There is a lot more detail and but its best to write upto this for now.

But my question was that what was there before this Big Bang occured?? What was there?? Surely nothing can come out of nothing...

Some says that TIME itself started with the Big Bang thus the question what was there "before" the Big Bang doesnt make sense on the first place.

So now guys give ur views on this...

You answered your own question. It wasn't 'nothing,' it was 'everything packed together.'

What's north of the north pole?

What's beyond the universe?

A really, really big Subway, with everything on it....

yum !

before the big bang, was

Why do not you ask what was before nothing was AND how big was the Big Bang? This presuming there was any "big bang" at all - but if the entire Universe was numbers of times smaller than a pillbox, then the size of Big Bang can be estimated in nanometres. And "before" it there was nothing.

I once heard on a program about the Big Bang that since time did start at the Big Bang, that even trying to think about what there was before the BB is meaningless. It makes since to me, its meaningless to ask or think about it since it was before time itself.

In my opinion, there was nothing before the BB. Can you get something out of nothing? Sure, why not.

That makes absolutely no sense to me...

What idiot would actually think that it doesn't matter what was there before the big bang occurred even if time was not a component of that previous nothingness.


There had to be something there. Where the hell did that highly-dense compaction of everything come from?





Personally I think Joan Rivers was there talking her *** off about nothing to nothing and suddenly BAM.....



Not really but I would think that once they figure out whether or not the big-bang actually occurred that scientists are going to begin to try to delve into what it was like before the chaotic explosion(or implosion...w/e)

isnt saying there was no time before the big bang so there was nothing kinda like comparing the number 1 to 0 0 is nothing 1 is the big bang.... but no one thinks about
(Negative .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 repeating)

anyways to answer your question, and no ones can actually prove me wrong, even though i cant prove im right.... God was before the big bang

if everything was compacted together? where did all that stuff come from, did it just magicaly appear? maybe.... i guess

but then where did God come from?

I dont even think if humans are around 5 hundred million billion years from now they will have an answer

Ermm...It's posts like the one above which states '500 million billion' that truly take away from the.....



WTF is wrong with you?

Jesus...


500 million billion?

You're worse than Bush with his nuke you lure.

whats wrong with me? whats wrong with you? your post just now makes no sence, i cant even make out anything you are trying to say. your insults really suck.
so whats your beef, here should i make it better and say a million years, you know what i met cool off hot head

and wait a minute.... your calling me a lure for just rambling off a huge number to get a point across? but you insult me and im the lure? right....

Those humans who need to know the answer- they know it. Everyone actually can find this answer, but this involves efforts and some risks, so the desire to know this must be really strong.

I'll tell you the secret - there was no Big Bang ever. Big Bang is not a physical event, but a scientific theory - because it is convenient to count from some certain reference point, chosen as Zero. they look at the expanding Universe and calculate back when it started to expand. But this involves one posthulated rule - that the Universe always expands with the constant speed. if however this speed is a function of the degree of expansion, that at the very "start" the expansion was such slow, that we can say it was not expanding at all - while now it accelerates. So, if I posthulate that the expansion, say, adds 0.01% of volume every year, then we come to non-linear dependancy of the volume of the Universe versus time, and concept of Big Bang disappears as a morning mist. Instead we have a process of expansion which started Infinity ago and would end finity ahead, as this expansion would be eternally accelerating - so there would be time when the stars would be flying away from each other with the speed of light, which would cause growth of their mass and gravitational collaps; this would be a sort of the End of the World, but immediately another Universe would be borne instead, as God, the source of Everything, is just Nothing, splitting into Everything, it would start new cycle. It is also possible that each such collapsing star would form another Universe, there is no contradiction with the other expressed concept.

O, the third option is the expanding Universe is not uniform at all; older star move faster and disappear faster, but new appear instead. Then there would be no End of the World at all, but what we see today would continue forever like that.

Everything packed together - ?? OK, but what was there "before" it??

Eh?? I didnt quiet get u, care to elaborate it??

Well NOTHING actually...LOL, cause if u see, the definition of universe is everything that human mind can perceive. Thus even if there are things far far away they will be considered to be inside the universe....isnt it? If i am wrong, please correct me.

Well, "before" (if there can be a before) the Big Bang, there was nothing - doesnt make sense to me. Cauise if i understand correctly, nothing can come out of nothing - and thats the law mof physics. Energy can't be created or destrotyed but can be changed from one form to another - so if this is the case, then how is it possible that there was "nothing" before the Big Bang, when it is very much evident that nothing can come out olf nothing?? omg i am having a headache thinking of all these LOL...

Maybe..here i agree. Maybe we waste our time thinking of what was before Big Bang, but to be honest, maybe there wasn't any BEFORE to it, as time itself was created along with it...But i still can't believe it properly...



I disagree. How can u get something out of nothing?? As i understand Physics says that energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed but can be changed from one form to another...is it not??

I completely agree with u. Even if there was no time before the Big Bang, there has to be something...cause how can the violent explosion happen out of blues?? Its not possible, what was its cause then??



Who is Joan Rivers??





Sorry??

Didn't get u...can u please elaborate it??



Well i also think that can be the only answer to this question that what was there before the Big Bang, cause no matter how much science tell us, there will always another wuestion behind it...so maybe the only answer can be God??



Surely things cannot come magically can it??



omg, thats an age old arguement...if God created everything who created Him?? And no one has the answer i gueess. Even though i am a firm believer in God, this question still bugs me like mad...if we cannot think of this Universe being created without any cause, then why is it any more logical of us to think that God, whom we think to be far more compoliucated and intelligent than this univverse, be created without any cause...
I think i will go mad if i think of these any more...LOL



True said...some things will remail mysteries forever...

Firstly i didn't quiet get what u said...i will be writing what i didnt get and what i did, hope u will answer me.



Umm...is that ur own opinion or its it scientific theory??



I didnt get what u said here...sorry. But my knowledge in this cosmological things are ver weak, so can't understand most of the thing u said. Isnt there any easier way u cud explain?? Are u trying to say that Big Bang never happened - >?????

And u also made a statement regarding the existence of God, saying that He is the source of everything but is actually nothing. If i am not wrong, then can u please elaborate this sentence?? Are u trying to imply that there isn't actually any supreme being?? Please explain.

Everything and every possibility is balanced into nothing as it plays itself out, thus nothing contains everything. This means that the entire Universe and every other parallel version was already there and that it already happened. The system's most perfect engine is no engine at all. So if everything is there, there it is a given certainty that this is generating Universe-Time-Waves of life, billions of trillions ad continuum as time spits out of it, though time and the physical world never actually move at all, its a wonderful optical illusion of the forces of attraction that bind these waves together, reality itself appears only because these attractive grids run parallels with one and another. If you set up a picture with 1000 parallel lines on it, and another one with out any, you'll see a glimmer on the one with the parallels, it moves but did it? That is our reality, a grand illusion cast in emptiness we cannot define are put words to and EVERYTHING of it. In our case, these parallels are a blend of lines, curves, rings, and spiral vortexes, and the motion of these settling in and out creates what our scientists call energy, a measure that changes.

Its one thing to wonder what I am talking about, and its another to see! Its mind-bogglingly beautiful to actually see it first hand directly with the eyes. I have managed to do this after reaching 23 days of spin build up as I moved extremely complex energy patterns through my optical receptacles and into my brain. The entire illusion is all connected at essence in the same way that nothing is, you don't have two points of nothing, not even 1 point, its all the same. Soon our eyes will open, I am tuned into the waves rippling from our near future, seeing more then I can ever say.

Basically, the best answer is that no one knows for sure. There are various theories out there which you can find through a google search. However, each of those theories has problems of its own thus showing how hard it is to speculate about anything before the big bang.

my idea of what was and what is, is better explained by the gnani yoga book by ramacharaka

gnani stuff

scroll down to 'cosmic evolution'
but (depending on the individual's current level of unfoldment)its probably wiser to read the whole lot - and it that case, its probably better to acquire the paper book version.

anyway, i think its worth the study

at one point there was nothing

just face it


thing is lets say the big bang is real
where did all the things its made out of come from thats the real question.

even if the big bang wasnt real, still where did the stuff come from

honestly i think its just Magic

oh someone asked whats north of the north pole

south silly

That was kind of the point of my post. If there was nothing before, including time, then there was nothing. And even though it is a very intriguing question, I see it to be meaningless. Maybe even pointless.





Most likely yes, but there are already so many things about the universe that we do not understand, maybe this is one of them. But at this point, I'm just going to say sure, why not, because we obviously did get something out of nothing (at least as we understand so far).

I can understand your frustration Stranger. This very question used to drive me insane too! On one hand we have something coming from nothing which makes no sense at all. On the other hand, we have something that must have always existed however, that doesn't compute either. It is too wild for a mere human being to comprehend. So I just don't dwell on it anymore. We can come up with theories, but theories arn't answers. Perhaps when we pass on from this existance as humans we'll understand more.

There is absolutely no way to answer this. Imagine your 'table', as it were, of knowledge/awareness, sitting all by itself in a vast desert that stretches as far as the eye can see. This is our humans' perception of reality. (the table only)
A single moment can last for eternity. And a single feeling is allowed to take that ride. All questions have two points of view. The universal viewpoint (yours), and the personal viewpoint (anybody's). Both are correct & are juxtaposed to each other.
At the present awareness level of the average human being it would take death to answer your question. Or more rightly, I could tell you but I would have to kill you first.
The big bang theory is just like the moment of energy that I described above and you don't have to die in order to understand it or achieve it. When we comprehend ourselves in relation to this planet better, we will have answered this question.

Firstly, and foremostly, i am not that genius to understand what u have written LOl. Infact i am not getting almost 90% thing u stated...can uplease explain all these again in simpler vertion?? I am just feefteen, thus have very few knowldge about these things.

Well, in one place u stated that "nothing contains everything"...what does it suppose to mean?? I think it more logical to believe that this universe has existed eternally than to believe that it emerged out of nowhere, cause i am more of the mind-set that nothing can come out of nothing. Infact, this hypothesis, that the universe existed eternally was a popular one untill 20th century ii guess (correct me if i am wrong) but than later it was prooved to be wrong. It was prooved that galaxyz are moving farther and furthur which means that if we go back in time, then the starting point of the universe wud have been point when everything was packed together...and that was the starting point of both TIME and SPACE. So the notion that universe existed forver/etarnally is wrong...
So its even more confusing then, naa?? Beliving the universe merged out of nowhere, i think it leads the wxistence of a Supernatural being, who existed all along and made this Big Bang occure, naa? Maybe believing in God is the only answer left to us.

I know. I have googled it a lot...writing many headings like what was there before Big Bang, what caused it etc etc..But problem is that even big big scientists fails to answer this question. And i am dead sure this question will remain a mystery to everyone...yet i cannot live in peace without knowing the ans...LOL

OK, i will read the book. And then later on a different post, iwill give my views about iy. Anyways thanks for the info. Yeah ofcourse its worth studying, thats why u see that all scientists around the world are busy studying it...

"At one point there was nothing...just face it" - and where did that nothing come from...oh god!! I think the only answer of this question can be found through theology. Science cannot go that far to answer this. And if we accept the Big Bang theory, then i think its more easier to believe that there was One Supreme being who existed always, and made this happen. I think that can be the only answer to this age old arguement.

Exactly. If there was no time "before" the big bang, then i think its clear that nothing can be "before" that as there isn't any before if there is no concept of time.
But i still can't understand it...how can there be a situation/place where there is no time?? How exactly..?? Can't even think it properly..having a headache properly...just imagine a place/situation where there is no concept of time. How exactly is it possible?? Time has to exist...or i ...its not possible there to be no time...its all so confusing...

Thats why it is always said that Time is the most complicated thing ever...






Yeah...

Thanks. I will like it if u call me Labib.




I would have rather gone with this theory, that the universe has always existed. But science made it proove that universe didn't always exist, but it does have a beginning. This was found when a scientist discovered that galaxyz are moving apart, therefore if we go back in time, then at the beginning everything was packed togther and then Big Bang occured. It leads us to the point that universe isn't eternal - but have a beginning.



You meanafter death-?? Yeah, maybe...

I didn't get ur last line...otherwise i got what u have said. What do u mean when we comprehend ourself with this planet??

Anyways, i will do some more research regarding this...and i find anything interesting i will let u all know it.

Dude, that's like asking "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" In my opinion. It's gonna be impossible to know, no matter what we do.

I personally think what the scientists do. Densely packed matter that just got too packed for it's own good. KABOOM.

Emmerson- OH MY GOD XDD I love your avatar and signature. That episode was lolsome. <333house vs. god

I won't be pestering you with Physics, despite it is all can be easily shown by simple mathematical means; but the Big Bang is only a current working theory, chosen for its convenience, not a physical event which took place. Moreover, if the BB was seen as a reality, it explains absolutely nothing at all, as no one so far can explain why then it happened, what actually produced that bang.

And of course I was saying that there is no such thing as "supreme being", hiding somewhere and watching us, dumbos. We are ourself this supreme being in all its beauty, look in the mirror and you would know how God looks (in your case), or look at your neighbour's dog and you would see yet another way how God looks. It is infinite amout of God's Images around us - but no God itself. By definition God is Perfect, Immortal, Indestructible, Uncreated and Eternal - all these points are valid only for Absolute Vacuum, for Nothing - but this one is not existing in Material World. And not a "being" at all, but rather a Source of the beings (which are all Imperfect, Mortal, Destructible, Created and Temporary).

The answer is quite simple really.






Before the Big Bang, there was

Time is part of the universe; its part of spacetime. No universe = no time. The thing to realize is that there was never a time when there was no time. The universe has existed for all time because time is the universe. The concept that the universe didn't exist, was created, then existed is a meaningless concept because those are time relationships.

You can consider the universe to be 4D (at least) object that either exists or doesn't exist. Time and our perception of flowing time, past, present, and future is simply how we (as part of the universe) perceive relationships in spacetime with other parts of the universe. The same is true of 'space'.

However, the big bang isn't necessarily the 'start' of time ('start' is actually incorrect, but I'll use it for now for simplicity). Its possible that the big bang is simply another event in a bigger universe (multiverse) or that the universe expands / contracts and there *could* be a time before the big bang.

But for arguments sake, let's say the big bang is the 'start' of it all. The thing about the big bang is that the big bang is simply a 'perceived' start point. Spacetime has no start point, its just a series of 4D (at least) relationships. The big bang is a convergence of those spacetime relationships. We perceive it as a start point because our memories are governed by causality and the big bang is where every event in the universe relates to every other event. In all likelyhood, if we could truly understand all the physics and go beyond our inate bias on the nature of space/time, we'd see that at the big bang, every spacetime event converges to a single event. Space and time would lose their seperate meaning and it would make perfect sense that there is no time before the big bang. It'd be no different than understanding that there is no north of the north pole.

Its helps if you try to envision the universe as spacetime, and not a big chunk of expanding matter.

A concept of string theory or quantum gravity (or whatever particular theory that is trying to describe the nature of existence), is that 'nothing' truly exists except relationships. Matter and energy are illusions. Both are simply relationships in spacetime. Your desk is just a bunch of molecules. Those molecules are just atoms. Those atoms are just protons and neutrons. Those protons and neutrons are just quarks. The quarks are just collection 'strings' or whatever unit you chose to describe them in. There is no base 'solid' unit of matter. There is not packet of glowing energy. The strings of string theory is just a unit of information that describes a relationship with another unit (they're called strings simply because its a handy way to understand the relationships, you could equally call it the 'apple' theory with a few tweaks). Create a big enough network of these relationships and you weave spacetime, and all the larger-order relationships that we perceive as matter, energy, space, and the flow time.

edit: all sorts of typos.

i heard a theroy one that stated the big bang was caused by a mass expolsion in a possible parralel universe which causes an actualy rip into our universe causing matter and atoms to pour in

God. He exists outside of time and space, infinite, which is to say an ever present moment, no before or after with God.

What wa b4 the big bag hmmm this is question,that only god and god himself knows this.Even some advance super civilization probably dont know this.Big bang theory is just theory,but really god created all of this.Current observations stated that universe is almost 14 billions years old,and in the beggining they were advance civilizations,that rule the universe.Picture here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hubble_..._deep_field.jpg is the only picture in the world showing thousands of galaxies located 78 billions light years from us.We humans are just to small to understand eveything.Many pleadians stories are about creation and meaning of life.As i said,many different extraterrestial races were creatd when universe was created,and we probably are those aliens but in iffernet form.Even pleadians said that takes them about 7 hours to get from their star system to earth,which is 400 light years away,and they and met many races that looks like us.So ,to answer your question again,we will never know,what was before big bing which is just theory.

The big bang, much like evolution, is a fact and a theory. We know for certain (or as certain as science can ever get) that the big bang happened. We have plenty of evidence to support it. If you told a scientist that the big bang was "just theory," they would be utterly baffled. In science, a theory is the highest order. Theories contain laws. Theories explain facts.

In my opinion,its impossible to tell ,what happened almost 14 billion years ago.If big bang really occurred then god had nothing to do with creation of universe,with all these laws of space,moon and sun,and many others.It was a divine plan.And even if you and others who believe in big bang were right,then how big bang looked like? Dont tell me,..there was a big boom,and here.,.we got universe.

Before the big bang was a really REALLY large tin of beans and the rest you can all figure out.

I like this explanation.I think i know everything now. lol

The reason the big bang doesnt make sense is because it never happened... God created the universe time and everything in it... duh