Druidus
Mar 10 2004, 05:29 AM
I read once about a ship that the British or American Navy managed to make invisible but unfortunately made all the people die, presumably by the shock of being transported in time (I think). Can anyone tell me what the name of the ship was, and what they did to make it invisible?
mcginty
Mar 10 2004, 05:54 AM
Philadelphia experiment.
fastcapy
Mar 10 2004, 06:17 AM
I think it was electromagnetics, they were trying to find a way to detonate mines a far distance from ships and what happened was the ship apparently was surrounded by a green haze and was teleported to norfolk and then back.
strichar
Mar 10 2004, 06:37 AM
In July 1943, the destroyer U.S.S. Eldridge pulled into the Delaware Bay area for a United States Naval experiment that involved the task of making the ship invisible. The project's official name is Project Rainbow, but was nicknamed and more commonly known as the Philadelphia Experiment.
This project, which succeeded, is said to have accidentally opened a hole in time to July 1943. This later became another experiment called the Mauntauk Experiment.
strichar
Mar 10 2004, 06:41 AM
The "Official" Navy Record
The Navy admits that the U.S.S. Eldridge took part in an experiment that involved wrapping wire around the hull of the destroyer in an attempt to cancel out the magnetic fields of the metal on the ship. This is known as degaussing. This would render the ship "invisible" to underwater magnetic mines that rely on proximity sensors to trigger the detonation. These sensors operate by detecting magnetic fields around ships. Without the magnetic field, the ship would be able to pass through regions mined with these sensors, invisible to enemy mines, but not to radar or vision.
The Navy's report is very plausible, and doesn't mention any exotic results or circumstances. But could this just be a believable account to drop the interest by the general public, leaving only the true minority of investigators in doubt?
Physical Invisibility
Some scientists have developed the theory that the Navy was working on a way to make the ship invisible to vision. However, it didn't involve warping space time or any complex task of a similar nature. This theory suggests that the Eldridge was equipped with high frequency generators that would heat up the surrounding air to cause a mirage, making the vessel invisible.
This phenomenon is naturally occurring, and there have been cases where entire islands have disappeared from view in the right weather conditions. The high frequency generator would heat up the surrounding air and the water (creating a green-colored fog that was said to have engulfed the ship), causing a mirage to form, concealing the ship from view.
The generator would also account for the sickness (physical and mental) of the crew after the experiment. A high freqency generator can cause serious harm to a person's wellbeing, especially at close range. This is more plausible than the degaussing theory, and would also explain the crew's sick condition as a result of the test.
The main problem with these theories though, is that it doesn't explain how the U.S.S. Eldridge was seen in Norfolk, Virginia by the civilian crew of the SS Andrew Furuseth, when the ship disappeared from view in Philadelphia in a space of only about fifteen minutes. There are also details such as crewmen being fused to the hull of the ship and some not even reappearing.
Transported across space and time?
The most interesting theory about the Philadelphia Experiment is that the destroyer did in fact disappear and was teleported across space and time. Supposedly, there was a great number of ingenious scientists (including Tesla and Einstein) that were taking part in the experiment. However, Nikola Tesla was supposed to dead at the time of the Naval experiment.
The theory is that light has to be bent around the ship to make it invisible. To accomplish this, the Navy wrapped the ship's circumference in wire and passed a measured current through it. This caused a huge oscillating magnet to form a magnetic field around the ship, not only bending the light, but space and time as well. The physics of the experiment are reminiscent of Einstein's Unified Field Theory that once you bend light, you are also unwittingly bending space and time as well.
The first time this experiment was undertaken, the ship didn't completely disappear, and an imprint of the hull could be seen sitting in the water. The second time, the ship totally disappeared in a green fog and was sighted in Norfolk, Virginia.
A haunting fact is that when the ship reappeared, the crew were all in a state of disorientation. Some were mentally ill, while other crewmen didn't even return. There were also crewmen that returned embedded in the hull. Later accounts arose about the crewmen, including a former crew member who was involved in a bar fight, and all the participants froze in time, as reported by a local newspaper! There were also accounts of people who were on the ship, spontaneously combusting.
The mystery remains
It is still not known what happened that day in 1943, mainly due to the lack of witnesses coming forth who served aboard the Eldridge. There is also no documentation available to the public which details Project Rainbow. It may have simply been a degaussing experiment. But how did the destroyer appear seconds later in Virginia? Its possible the answer will never be known, but the mystery may be solved when scientists rediscover what happened in Delaware Bay.
Halo_Jones
Mar 10 2004, 01:30 PM
Thankyou Strichar
That was really informative. I find time travel really intresting and have heard about the Philadelphia experiment but never really looked into it. I will definetly be looking it up as I would like to know more about Tesla and Einsteins involvment in the experiment as they were the 2 of the most brilliant scientific minds we have known.
There have also been reports of fighterplanes vanashing off the radar then returning moments later and the pilots seem dazed and confused on landing, with tales of flying through clouds then trying to land but the base had changed and looked completly different, moments later everything was back to normal.
phenomenon
Mar 10 2004, 02:20 PM
Not something I am that up to date with but I am curious about the worm hole theory, apparantly a way of travelling dimensions.
Anyone have some useful resources?
Druidus
Mar 10 2004, 04:11 PM
The wormhole theory is the theory that space is actually composed of lots of little tunnels on a different dimensional scale, say 4D. When you are in the fourth dimension you are able to go into the tunnels. These tunnels do not follow normal distance though. You may go in near Earth and end up on the otherside of Earth, or the other side of the galaxy, or even the other side of the universe, all in relatively small amounts of time! It may only take about an hour or two. Some people believe that mapping these tunnels is the only way humans will ever be able to travel far in space. There is also a theory that when a black hole is dense enough it will bend space-time, and people may be able to travel in the tunnels even though we reside in 3D.
loganXman
Mar 11 2004, 04:40 AM
awsome story,
i had heard about it, but i dont remember where. i think it was in those infomercials about those books from TIME. i think they were called, "mysterious of the unknown". i could be mistaken. their catch phrase would be "read the book". lol how corny. lol.
but thanks for the great info strichar. you get a STARSKY AND HUTCH high five.
strichar
Mar 11 2004, 05:03 AM
No problem, I had accidentally stumbled on the info while looking for info on the mayans a few weeks ago. I had also read this crazy story from a man that was said to have worked on the philadelphia project and was transported through time several times and was a test subject of the Montauk project. If I can find it again I will post it.
strichar
Mar 11 2004, 05:06 AM
Actually here it is.
The Montauk Project
...So I said."Let's put it hypothetically. It's all logical when you look at it mathematically. Suppose we take a guinea pig - white with brown splotches. We put him in the time cage and kick him back a week. But a week earlier we had already found him there, so at that time we had put him in a pen with himself. Now we've got two guinea pigs...although actually it's just one guinea pig, one being the other one a week older. So when you took one of them and kicked him back a week and____"
"Wait a minute! Which one?"
"Which one? Why, there never was but one. You took the one a week younger, of course, because____"
"You said there was just one. Then you said there were two. Then you said the two was just one. But you were going to take one of the two...when there was just one____"
"I'm trying to explain how two can be just one. If you take the younger____"
"How can you tell which guinea pig is younger when they look just alike?"
"Well, you could cut off the tail of the one you are sending back. Then when it came back you would____"
"Why, Danny, how cruel! Besides guinea pigs don't have tails."
("The Door into Summer" by Robert A. Heinlen)
I wrote about Carlos Allende, Morris K. Jessup, and the Philadelphia Experiment in a previous feature, A Twisted Tale . At the time, I didn't realize just how twisted the tale had become. I should have known that the story was too good to just sit there after Berlitz's & Moore's book and the ensuing movie version.
As odd as Carlos Allende's ramblings about the Philadelphia Experiment were, Alfred D. Bielek's tales are even weirder, although not as distinctive.
Bielek claims to have been born on August 4, 1916 as Edward A. Cameron II, son of Alexander Duncan Cameron, Sr. His father (Alexander Duncan Cameron, Sr.), was in the U.S. Navy and later had another son, A. Duncan Cameron, Jr. (b. May 1917), by a different woman.
Bielek says he and his half-brother Duncan were raised by an aunt in West Islip, Long Island. After high school, Edward went first to Princeton, and later to Harvard, obtaining a Ph.D. in physics. Duncan attended the University of Edinborough in Scotland, also obtaining a Ph.D. in physics in the summer of 1939.
In 1939, both Edward and Duncan enlisted in the U.S. Navy as Lt. (J.G.), and on the completion of training, they were both assigned to the Institute of Advanced Study at Princeton, New Jersey and to Project Invisibility, an experiment in making a ship invisible.
According to Bielek, there was a successful test conducted at the Brooklyn Naval Yard in 1940. The project was then classified, moved to the Philadelphia Naval Yard, and renamed Project Rainbow. After a tour of sea duty in 1941, Edward and Duncan were transferred back to Project Rainbow, where they worked first with Nikola Tesla, and then (after March, 1942) with Dr. John von Neumann. They remained with the project through two tests, the second of which was the Philadelphia Experiment of lore. During this experiment, Duncan disappeared permanently.
Edward remained with the Navy and married in late 1943, having a son, Jess, in February, 1944. In July, 1944, he and his family were transferred to Los Alamos, New Mexico, where he remained until July 2, 1947. On that date, he was arrested and charged with espionage and taken away from his family.
He expected to face a court-martial, but instead he was taken to Camp Hero at Montauk, Long Island, where:
From that point I was time shifted to 1983, back in the Phoenix Project. Once there, I was given a super brainwashing-all memory was removed. Additionally, I was age regressed (reduction of physical age and size from a 30-year old to approximately I year of age) and then, at a physical age of I year, sent back in time to 1927 to be plugged into a new family as a substitute for a dead son. This new family- the Bieleks- became my only known parents for over half a century!
With the advent of World War II, I was drafted into the Navy in 1945 (a second tour) as a seaman until 1946. After separating from the service, I tried a business venture (it failed) and went on to college (1949-1950) in Newark, New Jersey, and later to UCLA. A career followed as an electronic engineer (1958-1988), with retirement in 1988.
Bielek claims that his memories of his "other life" came back in May 1986, along with memories of the Phoenix Project and of the Philadelphia Experiment (Project Rainbow) returning in January 1988. (After the release of the movie version of The Philadelphia Experiment)
Upon discovering his true identity, he tracked down his brother who had also participated in the experiment. Bielek claims that his brother time traveled to 1983 and lost his 'time-lock'. As a result, his brother aged one year every hour and eventually died. Bielek claims that his brother was then reborn.
Need I mention that this weird scenario means that the individual known as Al Bielek/Edward Cameron was simultaneously alive for twenty years (1927 to 1947)as two people that were unaware of each other? (Paradox alert!)
Meanwhile, according to Pyramids of Montauk:Explorations in Consciousness by Preston Nichols & Peter Moon, a project was ongoing at Montauk, Long Island that involved mind control using electromagnetic waves at radar frequencies.
After years of empirical psychic research using technology gained from aliens, The Montauk Project eventually came to a bizarre climax in 1983 with a time vortex being opened back to 1943 and the original Philadelphia Experiment.
All this was a highly classified secret until Preston B. Nichols discovered that he was an unwitting victim of the experiments. While working for a Long Island defense contractor and researching telepathy in psychics, Nichols found that radio waves were being transmitted which were interfering with the psychics he was working with. A radio and electronics expert, Preston traced the radio signals to the Montauk Air Force Station and began exhaustive research that lasted over a decade. Oddly, during the course of his investigation, Nichols:
...discovered to his dismay that many people from Montauk remembered him working there. It came to a culmination point when his cousin's husband insisted that he had been at Montauk. The two men almost came to blows over Preston's contention that he had never been at Montauk. Shortly after this argument, Preston began to get glimmers of a life he'd not previously been aware of. After talking to many different scientists and engineers who had some sort of association with the Montauk Project, Preston was able to put together what had happened. Somehow, he had survived on two separate time lines. On one, he worked at Montauk; on the other, he worked at a different location.
Preston's discoveries were confirmed when a strange man by the name of Duncan Cameron appeared at his door in 1985. Duncan had an uncanny aptitude for psychic research and eventually claimed to have been trained in this field by the NSA (National Security Agency). Without mentioning his own ordeal with Montauk, Preston took Duncan out to Montauk and was surprised to discover that he knew the entire layout of the base and remembered working there. Duncan was considered to be the primary psychic used in the time travel experiments and also remembered having been aboard the U.S.S. Eldridge during the original Philadelphia Experiment with his brother Edward (now recognized as Al Bielek).
According to Preston and Duncan, the Montauk Project climaxed on August 12, 1983. A time portal from 1983 back to 1943 was open, but the portal was being used for the wrong reasons and to save the future, Duncan decided to sabotage the project:
While sitting in the Montauk Chair (a device connected to esoteric radio receivers studded with crystals that sent thoughts out of a giant transmitter), Duncan unleashed a giant beast from his subconscious which literally destroyed the project. The people who had been working on the base suddenly abandoned it. The air shafts and entrances to the major underground facility beneath the base were subsequent1y- filled with cement. The full circumstances behind all of this remain a mystery to this day.
The old Montauk Air Force Station is on the even older Camp Hero, which is on the northeast tip of Long Island at the end of Highway 27. There is a state park there, but some parts of the old base are still off-limits. However, this is not necessarily anything to do with time-travel. The old base is listed by the Army as a storage site for chemical weapons, and there are old tunnels filled with water that are downright dangerous, especially to children.
Athenian
Mar 11 2004, 05:07 AM
They made a movie off of the phillidelphia experiment where the destroyer is warped back in time and everyone on the ship gets fried exept two guys. They also made a sequel to it where a Nazi sympathizer teleports a modern day stealth bomber back to Nazi Germany and its use results in Germany winning WWII. Both the movies are a bit interesting but are not really that great.
Halo_Jones
Mar 11 2004, 09:54 AM
Strichar, where did you find this story...can you provide a link as I'm really intrested to read some more on this subject.
Boff
Mar 11 2004, 10:38 AM
wow, those are realllllly wierd storys. Thanks for posting them!
joc
Mar 11 2004, 02:31 PM
Something similar to this no doubt:
strichar
Mar 11 2004, 08:51 PM
Tommy
Mar 12 2004, 10:41 PM
Here's an old discussion we had on the Philaedelphia Experiment if anyone's interested.
IrishBlood
Mar 14 2004, 05:43 AM
wow this is all weird. considering it might have required a lot of power is it possible even for a regular group of people to perform such a feat?
strichar
Mar 15 2004, 06:11 AM
Well, it's said that the U.S. government is ahead of it's citizens in technology by nearly 400 years at all times since the 1940's. If that's true (IF), then it is very likely that they would be able to perform such feats.
Kellalor
Mar 15 2004, 10:18 AM
There was a documentary on the History Channel about this a few days ago. Didn't get to see it though.
It might come on again, the way channels like repeating things.
strichar
Mar 16 2004, 07:34 AM
Hmm, I would like to see that. Time travel is definitely a very interesting subject. It get's very complicated though. The part of the whole stories that I find very interesting is the possibility that the U.S.S. Eldridge had travelled through many different dimensions and some of it's crew members were fused with it's hull. All the other crew members were said to have just lost their minds completely and some of them no one ever saw again. All this after it's first test. I can't imagine what those poor spirits witnessed.
IrishBlood
Mar 17 2004, 05:48 AM
All I know if there were some way of performing something to that effect or something close yet perfected I would not hesitate to do it. even if I did get fused into something afterwards...lol.
strichar
Mar 17 2004, 05:56 AM
I don't know if I would. Maybe If I was a lot more powerful and knew more about other dimensions. Maybe if I was a more powerful god than I am.
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