There was a time when monsters could be anywhere
when fantastic beasts were just waiting to be discovered on some far-off land.

Those were the days when we indulged in mysteries and monsters
before lunacy took place and mysteries became a luxury

That was when we wanted the monsters

Now the world is mapped
explored
trekked
and the idea of a great beast still living in the depths is saved for the madmen

A proper mind, surely, does not believe in such things
Or care for them

So the few born with a flicker of useless hope try to expel it,
be rid of it forever,
by speaking amongst themselves in hushed voices

living a second life

there was once a day when we believed in monsters
Now the day has come when we cannot believe any longer

Prehaps it is the day when we need the mysteries to be real


Because we deserve it.

i could not DISagree more. there are many mountain tops & gorges, tens of thousands of acres of rain forests and countless square miles of the oceans, seas & great lakes of the world that haven't been explored, mapped or trekked. i can't say with certainty that a "great beast" will be discovered there when/if they are ever explored, however, nobody can say with certainty that they won't . . . . .

Yes.

But why should one assume that a great beast will emerge when none have for almost a full century?

i guess it depends on your personal perception of what a "great beast" is. i know that new species are being discovered all over the world practically every day. so who knows what will be found as more remote areas of our planet are discovered??? i don't know, do you?

I really need to introduce you to my ex-wife..............

A giant unknown fish just emerged last week as I recall, new giant shark and first pics of live giant quid in the past decade or so. And Champ's voice was recorded, a large unknown creature according to the scientist who recorded it. Not bad.

HA that was a good one.

And is this like a poem or something?

true. it seems like there is a thread here somewhere about a new species of giant squid discovered around an oil well, or something like that. many would consider that a great beast, right?

Bigfoot was allways fake. Anway when was the 1st actual sighting of one by a native or white setteler?
I dont remmeber being mentiond in stories only tree spirts.

I don't forsee the fall of cryptozoology, simply because people will cling to it, like they cling to homeopathy and dowsing and all these other disproven fields and practices.

Sure, you might be able to find new species out there, but you wont find anything bigger than an insect, there's probably thousands of undiscovered species of insect out there, but I guess that's just not as glamorous as big foot.

Here's a new species, and a little bigger than an insect I would say.
Right Here

Psssh no way thats way smaller than a insect.

Maybe 150 new species are found a year, most come from old species, which they though was a single species but turned out to be two or a a lot of new bacterial species.

No.

Not new but. From the link



Heard about this on the news the other day, it's more nomenclature than discovery.

That new Dolphin species though, funny looking creatures.......first new dolphin identified in 3 decades.

You're right, I should have added non-aquatic. Who knows what could be lurking in the bottom of the ocean? Water covers 2/3rds of the earth, there's probably thousands of undiscovered creatures scattered around the pacific, but it's not glamorous, and it's not really the field of cryptozoology because cryptozoology deals with legendary creatures and not fish and ants with a few tiny variations which seperate them from the other species.

I agree with Soulfire, there is alot, not mapped, not tracked and not discovered yet. Besides, our eco systems change constantly, especially now with the 'global warming' if it where to be true in any form, we would get alot of new species.

Real science estimates that another 10 million or so species still exist undiscovered. This includes primates and mammals which are newly discovered every year. I just watched National Geographic and new primates have been discovered within the last couple of years not to mention goats in Vietnam and many other larger animals/mammals you say must already be documented. I could see where a lot of people who live in the city might think this but where I live its just vast wilderness with spots of civilization here and there, but mostly just unpopulated wilderness area where an undocumented species could easily live. Bigfoot? Maybe, other undocumented species? Absolutely!

I'll have to say, your post is very poetic!
You must be a darn good writer.

It may not seem like it but there is a lot more to this world than what we have discovered. There are jungles, islands, forests, caves, et cetera.
We've only truly explored 5% of the oceans.

There have been some spectacular success stories, including the pongo (now known as the gorilla), the okapi (an animal that looks like a cross between a giraffe and zebra), and the coelacanth (a prehistoric fish thought to be extinct).

I do agree with you on some aspects though. I say exploration was more interesting in the past when the world was more mysterious with maps saying "Here be monsters." When something has been discovered for some time, the mystery is gone.

And yes, those who openly declare themselves cryptozoologists are looked down upon by close minded cynical skeptics.
While those who believe too much don't get anywhere. Sometimes I think this is just part of the job of a zoologist.

The world needs a good mystery to stimulate man's infinite wonder about the universe and our world. alien.gif

The truth is out there somewhere.
May be it is best that some of it it stays hidden so that our children have something to ponder about.

"And it still moves"

i agree with you 110%. it's seems like common sense, i think. as civilization expands, species are forced further out into uncharted areas. once the ENTIRE planet has been thuroughly explored (land & water) we can't say for sure what may or may not exist. that's why i don't understand why we spend BILLIONS of dollars on space exploration. hey, i have an idea, lets completely explore our own planet 1st. it's insane. there could be a tiny undiscovered insect in the amazon somewhere that holds the key to cure cancer or aids. guess what, no matter what the physical size of that insect, i would consider it a "great beast". i know that's not what the OP is talking about, but you know what i'm saying. i say - **** what's on the moon or mars! ! ! i want to know what's here on earth 1st.

So, the purpous of this topic is to discuss the fact that all of the "Great discoveries" of unknown animals or species of animals are pretty much exhausted? Far from it, I'd say. There are many creatures out there that have the potential to be real. We have only discovered around 5% of the ocean, which leaves 95% room for guessing what could be lurking there. Hardly anyone has ever taken a look at the very inhospital regions of mountains, and while there are few of them left, those that are still there take up a great amount of size.

There are regions that native people live/lived and record unknown creatures to science, but most people neither have the time nor the interest to go out and study them. The earth's rural areas are depleting, but people seem to overlook the fact and say "Oh, there might be a virtually undiscovered wilderness mountain waaaay out there, but let's just ignore that, shall we?"

The world's natural mysteries that are left ARE mysterious. While we may not find something like Bigfoot, there could be other creatures that we do not even know about or have legends/stories about.

You're absolutely right. I live in the Cascasde range in Oregon.. There's so much wilderness between California and Alaska its almost unbelievable. Most of it never gets seen except for the occasional hiker and thats just on the trails. Plenty of room for all kinds of animals..

I can understand that there are some forest land that is unmapped and some of the ocean, but not all of these elusive cryptids can be hiding all in the same place.

The unmapped parts of the world claim is the last shred of hope that people have to cling onto to try and keep a dream of a cryptid alive, I know because I used to use it when I believed in this stuff.

1st - there are tens of thousands of acres of unmapped forest area in the world.
2nd - over 90 percent of the worlds oceans, seas & lakes are uncharted.
3rd - nobody said that ALL elusive cryptids are hiding in the same place.

i would be willing to bet you that within the next month, a new species will be discovered somewhere.

Oh I agree with that, but I don't think anything like the cryptids we discuss in this forum will ever be found. It would be nice if one was though.

agreed. i'm not saying we will discover a BF. i'm just saying that we WILL discover ALL kinds of things. i don't know what they will be, but nobody else does either. peace.

The gorilla and giant panda used to be cryptids...

Its kinda cute in a werid sorta way.

To extend upon your statement, as usual the relality is much more profound than we think it is! Since the year 2000 no less than 5 new marsupials have been discovered and atleast 25 primates, many new mouse species are discovered every year and much much more. We have discovered aproximately 2 million plant and animal species and most will go extinct before being catalogued I would guess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primates_disc...ed_in_the_2000s

Estimated total species on Planet Earth:
It is estimated there could be
Up to 15 million, or
40 million, or from
5 million to 100 million or
1.4 million to 200 million, or
7 million to 100 million, or
10 million to 100 million
different species on Earth.

In other words,
we don't know how many there have been (some are now extinct) or how many exist.

Known species:
So far, scientists have only discovered and categorized
approximately 2 million plant and animal species (estimated at 1,770,000).

Imagine the vast number of wondrous and irreplaceable species
that have evolved over millions of years that are yet to be discovered!

But, we may never know how many there are
because many of them will become extinct before being counted and described. (Clipped from: http://www.eco-pros.com/biodiversity-species.htm)

I don't know if we will find any "great Beast" but i agree with the above post that there are "possible" ares's of exploration left, also don't forget there are manyunexplored subterrainian cave systems that can extend for thousands of kilometers and have monsterous cavens

I thought so too.

We do not have to go quite to such extremes. Nature has provided a set of rules we all have to follow. If said claim breaks those parameters, no point looking.

No CRYPTIDS will be found in the next month. Or the next. Or the next. Hundreds of new species maybe, but that's not what cryptooologists are interested in. They are not interested in a new insect or a new fish in the amazon. Because cryptozoology represents so much more, that it no longer matters wether or not these beasts exist. It really doesn't.

There's a new area of debate is Cryptozoology a viable field of study or just a representation of human physcosis

Hence this thread. The Fall of Cryptozoology, the realization that this is reality. And it's harsh. The only thing we all have to lean on is our belief in these beasties.

Indeed regretably belief is not enough still there's allway's outer space what will we find there probably bigfoot playing poker with the loch ness monster and El'chucarabra

I hope so

I just watched American Beauty (Am at home with explosive diarrhea you see) (What do you mean you didn't need to know that?) it was really good. Totally unrelated to cryptids but still great.

Well it has never been considered a real science. Says something about it.

Yes.

Hey dude it's good to share it does wonder's for the soul

Agree~ I am in the middle of reading a book about France from it's Rev-WW I. France was hardly mapped out by this time, and was as rural as any feral location. Nobles would claim that the instant you left Paris (or some of the other towns) there was nobody to be seen. This is just a small example, but it is a good one. A country in the middle of Europe, unexplored to it's fullest within the last 150 years. Imagine places in China, Russia, South America, Africa and beyond. Great expanses with nobody to disrupt the peace.

But were any CRYPTIDS found from France as it became more and more mapped?

In the event that there are no good cryptids left, perhaps we could just focus on the cryptids that aren't very likely to exist, such as the Jersey Devil and Popobawa?

In before someone mentions la Bête?

I am starting to become disenchanted with cryptozoology unfortunately. It is true that it isn't a science. We discover new species all the time that aren't cryptids and that is good enough for me, although finding a cryptid would be great I just don't see it happening. I like the idea of legendary beasts possibly existing, but in reality I'm finding it harder to justify it hehe. My interest is starting to turn to what possible life we may find on other planets. If you count the possibility of life on other planets then legends may arise from reports and sightings found on other planets then cryptozoology may be around for a long time.

Cryptids and animals have become diferent things. They are no longer creatures to be discovered, they are myths to pursue.

"I WANT TO BELIEVE"

--Fox Mulder from The X Files

That sums up my thoughts on Cryptozoology.
I think I speak for many other as well.

I used to think there would come a time when all the undiscovered animals would finally be discovered and that cryptozoology would fade into nonexistence, but now as an adult, I think very differently because

1. There will always be sightings of strange creatures thought not to exist, either by people's imagination or hallucinations.

2. There are, I firmly believe, Ultradimensionals(creatures which originate outside our plane of reality), and these may show up from time to time.

3. There are, I firmly believe, underground bases where genetic engineering experiments are currently taking place. I believe that chimeras(hybrids) are being created and some of them are being let loose into our environment. When people see these creatures, they may think they're native to the Earth and just undiscovered till now.

4. There may be (as told by a psychic) creatures that are like pets to the aliens and are let loose into our environment temporarily and that's why there will be a rash of sightings and then no sightings for a while.

5. Some aliens themselves may look very different from us and if seen by humans may be deemed an undiscovered species.


There may be more reasons, but because of these 5 reasons, I think there will never be a "Fall of Cryptozoology." No, Cryptozoology is alive and well.

"You just blew my ******* mind."


-President George W.