a bit more up to date as we progress

I thought an update was in order .


Poll ** ------------------------Date -------**---- Sample****Obama (D)****McCain ® ****Spread
RCP Average************08/14 - 08/24******--*********45.5********43.9********Obama +1.6
CNN ******************08/23 - 08/24 ****909 RV****47*********47******** Tie
USA Today/Gallup*******08/21 - 08/23******LV*********48********* 45******* Obama +3
ABC News/Wash Post****08/19 - 08/22****** LV******** 49 ********* 45********Obama +4
Gallup Tracking ******** 08/21 - 08/23*****2625 RV***** 45*********45*********Tie
Rasmussen Tracking*****08/21 - 08/23*****3000 LV***** 48********* 45******** Obama +3
FOX News*************08/19 - 08/20*****900 RV*******42********* 39********Obama +3
CBS News/NY Times*****08/15 - 08/19*****869 RV****** 45********* 42********Obama +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl ***08/15 - 08/18****1005 RV******45********* 42******** Obama +3
LA Times/Bloomberg ****08/15 - 08/18*****1248 RV***** 45********* 43*********Obama +2
Reuters/Zogby******** 08/14 - 08/16*****1089 LV******41*********46*********McCain +5


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20..._obama-225.html

Basically same Poll showing this time of the election during the Gore and Kerry run.

except this time the courts won't be able to elect the president.

Get over it.

If they end up doing so, then the same State Law will be enforced.

Democracy was knocked on its rear, so no; we won't get over it until we are assured it never happens again.

Nope, you simply lost a close election and that is what the lasting bitterness is all about.

Well, I belong to a reality-based community and the recount was stopped by the Supreme Court, and at that time, we were down 150 some odd votes, with three heavily democratic counties left to be counted. So, yeah. The Bushivics stole the first one. The second one? Kerry was just an idiot.

Watch the movie "Recount," then search the information provided in the movie and you'll see it's 100% factual.

The Supreme court simply said you have to go by the Florida Law and that you can't continue on recounting and recounting and recounting until Gore wins.

Not true at all. They stopped the hand recount, which was necessary because the chad (the little pieces of paper next to the candidate name that gets punched out when the individual casts his or her vote) were not all the way punched through on many ballots, so the machine didn't register the vote. The Florida Supreme court wanted them to be hand counted, ordered it, but the U.S. Supreme Court overrode them. So, they were following state law until the 9 Nazi's stepped in.

Bottom line: Katherine Horse Face Harris and her lover, Jeb, Dubya's brother, and the U.S. Supreme Court stole the election from Gore. Period. End of story. Watch the movie, research it, and put down the Kool-aide.

Chad, punch or whatever.
The ruling didn't go your way so you accuse of cheating and yet can't prove anything .

There's nothing to prove. The Supreme Court stopped the hand recount, overriding the Florida Supreme court. Simple as that.

Gore lost, simple at that.
Let it go.

Again, I'm not letting the fact that democracy was turned on its head go until I am assured it won't happen again.

You mean until your candidate wins.

Doesn't it bother you that Gore wanted a limited recount in heavily democratic areas contrary to the laws in the book?

A Statewide recount would have been fine

Stop the poll threads, or atleast make 1 perm thread where you constantly update the standings.

I think we need a poll on here to decide that.

I agree that a statewide recount would've been the best (particularly since it would've shown a Gore win by 60, 107, 115, or 171 votes depending on which of the four standards was chosen). Indeed, the Florida Supreme Court also agreed with you when it ordered a statewide manual recount. A statewide recount is exactly what the U.S. Supreme Court ruled would be unconstitutional, in one of the silliest, most nakedly partisan decisions ever handed down.

Gore should've demanded a statewide recount, but his request for a manual recount in Volusia, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties was in no way contrary to Florida election law.

§102.166 4(d) (2000):

d) The manual recount must include at least three precincts and at least 1 percent of the total votes cast for such candidate or issue. In the event there are less than three precincts involved in the election, all precincts shall be counted. The person who requested the recount shall choose three precincts to be recounted, and, if other precincts are recounted, the county canvassing board shall select the additional precincts.

They did a statewide recount. After that, the hand recount was done in counties that were disputed.

And Bush was still the winner. No recount actually made Gore the winner.
Just that you folks thought if you keep recounting and recounting eventually Gore will win.

Well, if they hadn't stopped the correct recount. We wanted hand recounts from the get-go, but they kept stopping. Finally, it was allowed -- then guess what? It was stopped by a Republican controlled Supreme Court.

YUP! As expected from you, the wrong countS Bush won. But had the hand count given Bush the victory still then you would be saying now the ones who hand counted it was republican insiders, manipulated, bribed or whatever.You just won't quite really.

Voters have misgivings about Obama, McCain: polls

1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — US voters have serious misgivings about both US presidential candidates -- Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain -- faulting the former for lack of experience and the latter for close ties with President George W. Bush, according to a new opinion poll.

The survey by USA Today/Gallup showed that Obama was still leading McCain 47 percent to 43 percent among registered voters and 48 percent to 45 percent among likely voters.

Both leads were within the margins of error of plus or minus four percentage points.

The survey came as Democrats prepared to launch their national convention in Denver, Colorado, on Monday.

Half of those surveyed worry Obama "may be too closely aligned with people who hold radical political views," and 57 percent said they were concerned he lacked the experience to be an effective president, USA Today said.

Moreover, 53 percent of the respondents said Obama can handle the responsibilities of commander-in-chief and 44 percent said he cannot.

On the other hand, four in 10 said they are worried McCain, who turns 72 next Friday, is too old for the presidency, and 67 percent said they're concerned he'll pursue policies too similar to Bush's.

According to the poll, the electorate remain fairly fluid. Three out of 10 of those polled said they might change their minds between about voting for either of the candidates between now and November 4.

Meanwhile, a separate survey, conducted by CNN/Opinion Research Corporation found that 47 percent of those questioned were backing Obama with an equal number supporting McCain.

Those poll numbers also showed 27 percent of Hillary Clinton supporters had now switched for McCain.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iD5tB4...jnOkh1-jROWZa4Q

Oh for Pete's sake... that election was so corrupt it looked like 1930's Chicago. There are good ideas from the right and good ideas from the left, but our system is really,really good and it's currently circling the drain.

Accusation of corruption is normal on a very close election by the losing side, happens all over the world.
But the Democrats supporters and voters mostly are the ones complaining of cheating and foul play when they don't win as if they should always win, election after election.
Makes me wonder.

McCain

How is that done, exactly?

Let me guess, you also believe Bush is a reptoid.

The majority of the Justices on the Supreme Court are Republicans. That is common knowledge.

Well, you won't put down the Kool-aide.

And had it been a Liberal judge majority Supreme Court that ruled in favor of Gore, would you have said it is because the majority of the Judges are Democrats?
I think you would have easily said it was the right ruling and democracy lives!.

What a piss poor argument.

Yet you stated the SC was "a Republican controlled Supreme Court." Do you believe the Republican Party controls the Supremes? How idiotic.

How is it idiotic? It is controlled by Republicans insomuch as they have the majority. Pity you didn't understand that.

It is idiotic for you to be complaining about a conservative majority Supreme court, why do you think there are 9 judges and not 10 or 8?

The key word is "controlled." Do you believe the Supremes are controlled by anyone or any force?

Of course we're aware of their political leanings. That doesn't equate to "control." When the time inevitably arrives and the Supremes have a liberal majority, will they be "controlled" by the Democratic Party? (The answer is no.)

Pity you don't understand that.

You are taking the word "control" and extrapolating that into something entirely different. It's not like I am saying that the Republicans give them their marching orders - that would be idiotic. But the Supreme Court, as a whole, is controlled by the Republicans. It's the same as the Senate and House being controlled by the Democrats, currently. If you'd prefer, to save argument, I'll rephrase: The Supreme Court, currently and during the 2000 elections, is a Republican majority.

here's something interesting -

Electoral College Map with Numbers (Barack Obama vs. John McCain)

Last Updated: 8/27/08
Method---------------------Obama------McCain
Latest Poll Per State-------- 300---------233
Poll of Polls-------------------283---------249
Survey USA------------------166---------262
Rasmussen Reports---------264---------244
Quinnipiac--------------------131---------51
Research 2000---------------23----------95
Zogby-------------------------335--------131
National Average------------44.6%------41.9%

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/gener...ge-results.html