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acidhead43
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/25/dnc.main/index.html

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Michelle Obama makes case for husband, closing convention's first night
Sen. Kennedy addresses convention less than 3 months after brain surgery
Barack Obama appears only briefly via satellite from Kansas City
Hillary Clinton to headline convention's second night

CosmicStar
I've been watching lots of protest videos..
I just hope that after the conventions people continue to rise up and take a stand for their liberty.
ohio traveler
I didn't watch much of it.

Did Ted Kennedy finally do his tribute to Mary Jo Kopechne ?

Siara
QUOTE (@pR!L @ Aug 26 2008, 12:01 PM) *


I hope that protests continue too (but don't get violent like the 1960's). I hope that young voters aren't too apathetic to vote this time around.
CosmicStar
QUOTE (Siara @ Aug 26 2008, 08:25 AM) *
I hope that protests continue too (but don't get violent like the 1960's). I hope that young voters aren't too apathetic to vote this time around.

Ya know..to be honest I really don't think voting in this election will matter--either canadiate isn't standing up for us--so it's just kind of pointless--for me anyway..
and tragic too of course..
Rosewin
lollin @ fox news

I doubt the protest will reach the levels of the 1960s. We had a whole counter culture among the youth then. Today the youth is strictly part of the consumer culture which means they are products of corporations...the same as the presidents.
Siara
QUOTE (@pR!L @ Aug 26 2008, 02:33 PM) *
Ya know..to be honest I really don't think voting in this election will matter--either canadiate isn't standing up for us--so it's just kind of pointless--for me anyway.. and tragic too of course..

It isn't useless because one of these guys is going to be in charge and they're different enough from eachother that one has got to be better than the other. Choose the bad one instead of the very bad one. The candidate doesn't have to speak for you. Just steer the country in the direction that will one day produce a candidate who does speak for you.

Sorry to sound like an old biddy here, but voting is important.

Incorrigible1
QUOTE (acidhead43 @ Aug 26 2008, 03:50 AM) *
Barack Obama appears only briefly via satellite from Kansas City

Or was it St. Louis?
BlueZone
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ Aug 26 2008, 12:43 PM) *
Or was it St. Louis?

I saw a cartoon once that showed this car driving down a dead straight road with cornfields on either side. Also next to the road was a large sign that said "WELCOME TO KANSAS OR SOME PLACE VERY MUCH LIKE IT".
IrishLexie
I don't know why Obama is getting such a bad rap from people. "He's the same as all the rest," you say. How do you know? Because he acts like a politician? Well, he has to. He's got two things against him: He's running against one of the most respected members of Congress, for one. And two, he's black! He has to act like a double politician, sweet talk, et cetera... But that doesn't mean he won't change things.
AROCES
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 26 2008, 06:45 PM) *
I don't know why Obama is getting such a bad rap from people. "He's the same as all the rest," you say. How do you know? Because he acts like a politician? Well, he has to. He's got two things against him: He's running against one of the most respected members of Congress, for one. And two, he's black! He has to act like a double politician, sweet talk, et cetera... But that doesn't mean he won't change things.

He just picked as his Vice President someone who has been in Congress and Politics longer than John McCain.
Change???
IrishLexie
QUOTE (AROCES @ Aug 26 2008, 03:22 PM) *
He just picked as his Vice President someone who has been in Congress and Politics longer than John McCain.
Change???



Again, politics!!! I was remiss in my statement earlier. Not only is he black, running against a respected member of Congress, but he's also extremely young. He has to pick someone who's been around awhile.
Plainbob13
QUOTE (AROCES @ Aug 26 2008, 02:22 PM) *
He just picked as his Vice President someone who has been in Congress and Politics longer than John McCain.
Change???


Yep. Change all right. No matter how you polish a turd it still a turd.
BlueZone
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 26 2008, 02:45 PM) *
I don't know why Obama is getting such a bad rap from people. "He's the same as all the rest," you say. How do you know?


I think it's kewl to be cynical and dissatisfied. Plus the Republican machine, which has been in power for so long, is working overtime to discredit him. It's irritating to hear this crowd of ultra-rich white men accusing Obama of being elitist. When I hear someone like Rush Limbaugh call him inexperienced I can't help thinking that at least he hasn't been stupid enough to destroy his hearing by becoming an addict. People in America mistake being loud for being right and being crude for being honest.

He's essentially going up against corporate America and they have a lot of money to spend on advertising.
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (BlueZone @ Aug 26 2008, 04:46 PM) *
He's essentially going up against corporate America and they have a lot of money to spend on advertising.

Heh! As if BHO has no corporate backing.
AROCES
QUOTE (BlueZone @ Aug 26 2008, 09:46 PM) *
He's essentially going up against corporate America and they have a lot of money to spend on advertising.

And McCain is essentially going up against the wealthy Hollywood entertainment and media industries. Sounds like an even match up to me.
CosmicStar
QUOTE (BlueZone @ Aug 26 2008, 04:46 PM) *
I think it's kewl to be cynical and dissatisfied. Plus the Republican machine, which has been in power for so long, is working overtime to discredit him. It's irritating to hear this crowd of ultra-rich white men accusing Obama of being elitist. When I hear someone like Rush Limbaugh call him inexperienced I can't help thinking that at least he hasn't been stupid enough to destroy his hearing by becoming an addict. People in America mistake being loud for being right and being crude for being honest.

He's essentially going up against corporate America and they have a lot of money to spend on advertising.

Good point
ohio traveler
QUOTE (AROCES @ Aug 26 2008, 07:24 PM) *
And McCain is essentially going up against the wealthy Hollywood entertainment and media industries. Sounds like an even match up to me.


And don't forget about a fellow by the name of George Soros.

But both sides have power and big money backing them. Just different issue driven organizations on each side.

acidhead43
On Clinton's Speech:

I don't think that it was a particularly effective speech. ... this is somebody who has spent the last couple weeks, months saying that this man, Barack Obama, is not ready to answer the phone at 3 am in the morning... and that was her case: that he doesn't have any experience to lead... she said absolutely nothing about that in the speech... zip.

.. to give the speech a a name it could be called the "lesser of two evils" speech.... why?...


.. she gave all the reasons she ran for president, and then says, " By the way, if you believe in those, vote for Barack Obama."
AROCES
QUOTE (acidhead43 @ Aug 27 2008, 07:15 AM) *
On Clinton's Speech:
I don't think that it was a particularly effective speech. ... this is somebody who has spent the last couple weeks, months saying that this man, Barack Obama, is not ready to answer the phone at 3 am in the morning... and that was her case: that he doesn't have any experience to lead... she said absolutely nothing about that in the speech... zip.
.. she gave all the reasons she ran for president, and then says, " By the way, if you believe in those, vote for Barack Obama."

Same here, that was quite obvious she is still campaigning for herself. She made it sound like She is Obama's mentor.
Be interesting now what Billy boy will do. I'm sure the Obama camp is not happy with Hilllary's sneaky speech and the Obama camp is quite holding their breath with Billy boy.
I'm telling you folks, an Obama win will finish her totally but a defeat will assure Hillary of the nomination on 2012, she is too ambitious to not wish for that.
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (AROCES @ Aug 27 2008, 09:27 AM) *
I'm telling you folks, an Obama win will finish her totally but a defeat will assure Hillary of the nomination on 2012, she is too ambitious to not wish for that.

Hand that man a cigar.
Guardsman Bass
We'll see if she wins it (assuming Barack Obama loses this november, which I consider unlikely) in 2012. There will be other people competing in the hypothetical 2012 Democratic primaries, probably including Tim Kaine and other fresh faces.
acidhead43
I was listening to and enjoying to the acceptance speech by Biden until he indicated Russia will not get away with attacking Georgia

... wait a second.. who attacked who? .. he clearly said Russia attacked Georgia just as the MSM portrayed the entire incident.

.. that wasn't the truth.. this man is part of the plan that will try to stretch the New World

Order's form of government into that region.. but at what cost? How many more lives will be wasted pursuing this world agenda?

Does ANYBODY believe it exists now?! Read below:


http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/93/9/19.html
In his speech in Clayton Hall, "On the Threshold of the New World
Order: A Rebirth for the United Nations," Biden said the world's
leaders must adopt a new understanding of security. "Collective
security today must encompass not only the security of nations," he
said, "but also mankind's security in a global environment that has
proven vulnerable to debilitating changes wrought by man's own
endeavors.
"Thus, in setting an American agenda for a new world order, we
must begin with a profound alteration in traditional thought," he
said.
Speaking to about 150 faculty and students, Biden said the United
States should "buttress stable democracy in the former Soviet empire"
and "champion the cause of democracy in China."
Biden criticized President George Bush's Soviet policies, saying
the "administration, if not absent, has been little more than an
onlooker."
The senator said the United States should deliver more
"educational and professional" assistance to the countries of the
former Soviet Union. The goal, he said, must be to "foster the
conditions and institutions necessary for a free economy and a free
body politic to thrive."
Very little money would be needed from the American government to
make great strides toward assisting in the privatization of the former
Soviet Union, Biden said.
AROCES
Speech after speech we hear how we are in a reccession and how bad the economy is. Then out came a report today that the economy grew 3.3 %, talk about fear mongering.
ohio traveler
What's up with all of these television news reporters wearing those tiny little microphone / headsets ? You can't hardly see the wire that hugs along their cheek from their ear to their mouth. But you can definitely see the eraser shaped mic that sticks along side their mouth. They look like they have a moving wart on the side of their mouth. They must be trying to look cool and hip.
CosmicStar
QUOTE (ohio traveler @ Aug 28 2008, 10:52 AM) *
What's up with all of these television news reporters wearing those tiny little microphone / headsets ? You can't hardly see the wire that hugs along their cheek from their ear to their mouth. But you can definitely see the eraser shaped mic that sticks along side their mouth. They look like they have a moving wart on the side of their mouth. They must be trying to look cool and hip.

HAHAHHA yeahh really!
BlueZone
QUOTE (AROCES @ Aug 28 2008, 11:37 AM) *
Speech after speech we hear how we are in a reccession and how bad the economy is. Then out came a report today that the economy grew 3.3 %, talk about fear mongering.

Who got the extra money? The richest 1% of the population?

Telling Americans that everything's fine isn't going to work AROCES. True our educational system has gone to hell since GW Bush took office, but we can still count our cash, look at the gas gauge in our cars, and look at how much food we've got in our refrigerators. Let's face it... the **** has hit the fan and the knowledge that the very rich are even richer doesn't make us feel better.
AROCES
QUOTE (BlueZone @ Aug 28 2008, 04:23 PM) *
Who got the extra money? The richest 1% of the population?

Telling Americans that everything's fine isn't going to work AROCES. True our educational system has gone to hell since GW Bush took office, but we can still count our cash, look at the gas gauge in our cars, and look at how much food we've got in our refrigerators. Let's face it... the **** has hit the fan and the knowledge that the very rich are even richer doesn't make us feel better.

Tell me something, if you are a business owner or one of the Elites as you cry about.
What would benefit your investments, security or company the most, when more people are well off or when most are poor?
BlindMessiah
I don't support Barack Obama but I was very impressed with Bill Clinton's endorsement speech as well as Joe Biden's speech. They were very well presented.

On a side note, I heard Shawn Johnson will be doing the pledge tonight to start off the cermony. Is it just me or is it a little strange to have an Olympic gold medalist who represented the entire country to show up at a part convention. Is this true and if it is, will she be at the Republican convention as well? If not, seems a little odd to me.
acidhead43
QUOTE (BlindMessiah @ Aug 28 2008, 12:34 PM) *
I don't support Barack Obama but I was very impressed with Bill Clinton's endorsement speech as well as Joe Biden's speech. They were very well presented.

On a side note, I heard Shawn Johnson will be doing the pledge tonight to start off the cermony. Is it just me or is it a little strange to have an Olympic gold medalist who represented the entire country to show up at a part convention. Is this true and if it is, will she be at the Republican convention as well? If not, seems a little odd to me.



Joe Biden's speech was great until he pointed his finger at Russia and said America will respond to there attacks on Georgia.

.. more war.. more fear..

Not to mention Biden's call for the New World Order. http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/93/9/19.html

In his speech in Clayton Hall, in 1992, "On the Threshold of the New World
Order
: A Rebirth for the United Nations," Biden said the world's
leaders must adopt a new understanding of security.

"Thus, in setting an American agenda for a new world order, we
must begin with a profound alteration in traditional thought," he
said.
Speaking to about 150 faculty and students, Biden said the United
States should "buttress stable democracy in the former Soviet empire"
and "champion the cause of democracy in China."
IrishLexie
Obama gave a marvelous speech tonight. Unreal.
CosmicStar
Obama's foreign policy is flawed--he wants more troops in Afghanistan--he doesn't want to remove troops from the bases in Iraq--and he's in support of provoking Russia and Iran..
yeahh---a "speech"---jesus some people are so blind
Plainbob13
QUOTE (CosmicStar @ Aug 28 2008, 10:43 PM) *
Obama's foreign policy is flawed--he wants more troops in Afghanistan--he doesn't want to remove troops from the bases in Iraq--and he's in support of provoking Russia and Iran..
yeahh---a "speech"---jesus some people are so blind


Thats the cult of Obama. When he tells them to drink the kool-aid, they drink.
AROCES
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 29 2008, 04:36 AM) *
Obama gave a marvelous speech tonight. Unreal.

Yeah, that was great for those who sucks for nourishment from the gov't.
IrishLexie
QUOTE (CosmicStar @ Aug 28 2008, 11:43 PM) *
Obama's foreign policy is flawed--he wants more troops in Afghanistan--he doesn't want to remove troops from the bases in Iraq--and he's in support of provoking Russia and Iran..
yeahh---a "speech"---jesus some people are so blind


Yeah, because I don't drink the Jones Kool-Aide, I'm blind. Why don't you go figure out a way to make people believe we didn't land on the moon. bounce.gif
IrishLexie
QUOTE (AROCES @ Aug 29 2008, 12:07 AM) *
Yeah, that was great for those who sucks for nourishment from the gov't.



Why don't you tell us all how Democrats are nothing more than Marx-apologists, sucking the life out of this great America Bush created.

cool.gif
BlindMessiah
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 29 2008, 04:42 AM) *
Yeah, because I don't drink the Jones Kool-Aide, I'm blind. Why don't you go figure out a way to make people believe we didn't land on the moon. bounce.gif


She believes we landed on the moon. She just thinks we found aliens there or something like that. I can't remember.
CosmicStar
LoL can't wait for this---
IrishLexie
QUOTE (Plainbob13 @ Aug 28 2008, 11:45 PM) *
Thats the cult of Obama. When he tells them to drink the kool-aid, they drink.



As opposed to the Bush kool-aide? Or the kool-aide the Libertarian party, or Republican Light, gives you? That they actually have a chance in hell of winning a national election. mellow.gif

CosmicStar
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 28 2008, 11:42 PM) *
Yeah, because I don't drink the Jones Kool-Aide, I'm blind. Why don't you go figure out a way to make people believe we didn't land on the moon. bounce.gif

hey!! What I just posted about Obama's foreign policy has NOTHING to do with Alex Jones--get it straight huh> disgust.gif
BlindMessiah
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 29 2008, 04:43 AM) *
Why don't you tell us all how Democrats are nothing more than Marx-apologists, sucking the life out of this great America Bush created.

cool.gif


I was told that yesterday and I'm a libertarian. Their reasoning was, Marx was an atheist, I'm an atheist, so I'm a Marxist. =)
IrishLexie
QUOTE (CosmicStar @ Aug 29 2008, 12:46 AM) *
hey!! What I just posted about Obama's foreign policy has NOTHING to do with Alex Jones--get it straight huh> disgust.gif



It has everything to do with Alex Jones. That crap he spouts has clouded your mind, lil' lady. Open your minds eye!!
BlindMessiah
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 29 2008, 04:45 AM) *
As opposed to the Bush kool-aide? Or the kool-aide the Libertarian party, or Republican Light, gives you? That they actually have a chance in hell of winning a national election. mellow.gif


Libertarians... win an election... ya, that's in god's territory: miracles. The republicans aren't out of the main election though. I think Obama has a tough road ahead of him but he certainly has a great shot at it.
IrishLexie
QUOTE (BlindMessiah @ Aug 29 2008, 12:51 AM) *
Libertarians... win an election... ya, that's in god's territory: miracles. The republicans aren't out of the main election though. I think Obama has a tough road ahead of him but he certainly has a great shot at it.


I wouldn't mind a Left-Libertarian being president.
BlindMessiah
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 29 2008, 04:47 AM) *
It has everything to do with Alex Jones. That crap he spouts has clouded your mind, lil' lady. Open your minds eye!!


Alex Jones is either crazy or is taking advantage of people for money. However, that doesn't mean everything he says is untrue.
IrishLexie
QUOTE (BlindMessiah @ Aug 29 2008, 12:53 AM) *
Alex Jones is either crazy or is taking advantage of people for money. However, that doesn't mean everything he says is untrue.


No, just 99.9% of it. tongue.gif
BlindMessiah
QUOTE (IrishAidan @ Aug 29 2008, 04:55 AM) *
No, just 99.9% of it. tongue.gif


There are forces in this world pushing nations to globalize. That's a fact. The bankers who own the Federal Reserve do have political influence. That's a fact. The rest is pure speculation. Then there's all the crazy ideas about reptilian overlords, aliens, bombs taking out the towers, and other nonsense.
InHuman
So I missed Obama's speech (caught stevie wonder tho).. anyone got some of the bullet points?
__Kratos__
QUOTE (InHuman @ Aug 29 2008, 02:11 AM) *
So I missed Obama's speech (caught stevie wonder tho).. anyone got some of the bullet points?


Obama speech - full text

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