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**updates on post no 67 with pics from the war

yea. ok.

Let me guess. Russia will use their hurricane ray to cover their invasion. While Bush will use the US earthquake ray on russia. And send our invasion into russia with our mole machine.

It's been a while.........pass that roach-clip over this way, Saturnrings.

I thought Bush steered Hurricane Katrina into New Orleans because he doesn't like black people.

I didn't know Putin was involved too.

not sure what you mean but yeah was a bit nervous suppose....

whats roach clip anyway?

--> and what is a Roach clip? It's the same as a Henway


I think that's a very huge Weather Juju!

Don't worry. President Obama will bring peace and love to the world.

If you don't know don't worry about it, you might be to young for that info. If you arn't to young than don't drink the bong water!!!!! Russia and the U.S. will not enter a war as enemies, Russia is just getting on it's feet and the U.S. is about to be knocked off there high horse. Even steven really.

edit: of does not mean off errrrr

A roach clip is a clip, or other form of holder which is employed to hold onto the stub of a cigarette, usually a spliff, that in this context is termed a roach, without burning the lips or fingers, and to facilitate passing the cigarette to others without dropping it...
from wikipedia*****

erhm i wish i was as apathetic as some.....

As the U.S. goes so would Canada and the rest of the Western hemisphere (not to mention the world).

They had to call it a Roach-Clip because Pot-Holder was already taken

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Not apathetic at all. I see the Russia/U.S. tension building but really what is going to happen? We have offended Russia and I use we as Canada is a major Allie with the U.S. Russia have offended us. The saber rattlings are annoying at best. Whats happening now is nothing more than a pound your chest mentality. The U.S. and Russia are actually more allied than you think. China is probably more of a concern as they will soon take top spot in the "world super power" category on jeopardy next year. We will see wars of all kinds for as long as we live but a war between super powers is not likely. The U.S. will pick at one part of the carcus and the Russians and Chinese will pick at the other. Both nipping at each other but no death blow given.

Your deffinition of a roach clip is cute.

This is probable why the usa hasn't died yet.

Sorry I made reference to that in my post before I saw yours. We are major allies the U.S. and Canada no doubt about that at all. If the U.S. is hurting so is Canada, thats why I feel my opinion on foreign policy of the U.S. is valid and I do think the U.S. has ridin the high horse and is about to be knocked down. Not that I hate the U.S. just some of the things the current admin has done to weaken the U.S. in the eye's of the world. If a U.S. citizen still thinks the world loves them, well they don't get out enough. I really do like the states, but I see a major problem on the horizon.

yes dosent look rosey to me either and blimey, i had to go to bed .......now look at this.....

Ok that does not make sense, are you saying the western world is keeping the U.S. afloat? or the problem is that the U.S. hasn't fallen yet? I know what you mean I have read enough of your posts but still a misleading comment. No one in the western world wants the U.S. to collapse and have Russia/China as the new world super power. Unfortunately it seems that the U.S. government is committing suicide right now and a slow one at that. Hasn't Russia adopted western ways? I thought they did hmmmm

I'm not exactly sure of our impact on the rest of the world, but from what I do know I think this will only hold true if we maintain our consumption of foreign products and continue to be the bearers of bread.

Do you honestly think if the U.S. fell to true 3rd-world status the rest of the world would be rosey?

I don't really care if the rest of the world loves me or not. Chances are good I don't love them either. The day any nation gives up it's natural right of self determination in favor of what the world wants it to do, you can turn out the lights and lock the door.

The major problem I see is that the U.S. has amassed a huge deficit that most likely will be un-payable. The U.S. economy is on the verge of collapse and that will affect the world, but not on a scale that will throw the world into turmoil. The U.S. might get desperate and some more wars might brake out over natural recourses. However a major conflict with Russia or China is very unlikely as the U.S. simply can not afford it in it's current position. To do this would be to impose a draft and become a complete and utter Fascist nation. OH OH maybe I went to far there

Yea, ok.



I'm flabbergasted. That takes a lot.

Where do I begin?

Ok thats a pretty typical American response(sarcasim) I'm sorry to see. The world is now a community and if you can't see that then fine. So the Geneva Conventions were a joke? The U.N. was created just so Arocess could whine about them? They were not put in place to help the World?

We shouldn't care about how the world views one's nation, wow. I would rather have the world community accept me, than to fear me. Or to have to force happy happy cokacola commercials down the planet's throat. Sheesh such short sighted thinking...

Self determination at the expence of others and other nations? are you for real? I could care a rats a$$ wether you love that nation or any nation, I just don't want my country blown to bit's because the bully on the block thinks he/she can get away with it.

Russia was sure worried about Geneva when they attacked Georgia.

China is really scared of Geneva, that's why they are in Tibet.

And all those African war lords and quasi nation/tribes I'm sure bow to the will of Geneva.

Let me ask you this: What if a nation believed sooooo strongly their national security was at risk, when to the world (I presume you mean the UN) for permission, and the world said "No!"? What is a sovereign nation to do then?

I'm flabbergasted at your self riotousness and arrogance. To think the U.S. is the center of all that goes on here on planet Earth just shows your miss placed ego and conceit. Yet again I didn't expect much more, later dude... Can't convince a potato he's a radish now can we.

What more should I expect from an America hater?

Oh! I soooo wish there was a device for looking into alternate realities. I'd look into ones where the 13 colonies never broke away from England. Or ones where they tried and lost the revolution. Or ones where Germany or Japan won WW2. Or where Russia did fight WW3 and win.

I'd look to see just how great the world would be if America didn't exist as it does today. (that's sarcasim)

Point and match: MasterPo.

You HAVE to be kidding right? There is no possible way that what I'm thinking could be true. DO you actually think Iraq had anything to do with your national security or that 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq? If that is the case sir we are definitely done as of now. If that is case you show a very poor and miss lead understanding of what happened. You must explain what you stated more clear, as of right now you hold no validity what so ever.

Point and fail my ill informed friend. The U.S. did not enter the war until it's dog day's. Russia won that war not the U.S. Oh the mighty nuke dropped on civilians I forgot. The allies would have won that war with or with out the States so get over it. Might have taken a little longer but hey it could have ended sooner to if the Yanks wern't sitting on there hands.

Ya cause that was just one of the best darn posts I have ever seen. Holy clap I me crap. The blind patriotism is almost sickening. But keep on a clappin.

Ah, you're still here.

Funny how it always comes down to Iraq and 9/11.

I don't have to clarify anything. I stand on the honored memories of over 3,000 American civilians killed on that day. How many Canadians died that day?

Believing Saddam wasn't involved with Al Queda or OBL is like believing Hilary didn't know about all of Bill's affairs.

Where do you actually rent all these movies???

Another selfserving post that America is the centre of the universe. For crying out loud The u.s. has bee around a mere blink of an eye and someone here claims the U.S. made this planet the happy little puppet show it is today. Duse put down the super sized coke and fries and at least finish chewing it befor you eat that ding dong. Get of your lazy but and look out side you little window of fox, cnn, msnbc ect. No really put down the ding dong turn off entertainment tonight and see whats really going on.

Well there deffinatly not the John Wayne wins everytime movies nor the Americans saved the world useing the talents of Will Smith. When did WWII start and when did the U.S. enter ?

Nice to see you again Aroces, I was waiting for ya LOL

Well, maybe if you can have your world community ante up and not have the USA lead and do most of the work on world situation then you folks won't feel the way you do now about the USA.

Russia beat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan in WW2?

Stop it - you're killing me!

When did world war II start? When Germany rolled into it's neighbor Poland
When did the U.S enter? When Germany was all over Europe and Part of N Africa.

Same here, you been on vacation, huh?

Silver Thong, are you aware of the enormous lend-lease Russia received from America, in the form of trucks, tanks, and weaponry?

Hell, are you aware of the enormous lend-lease Great Britain received from America, in the form of trucks, tanks, and weaponry?

Look, I don't mean to disparage your opinion, but do you realize America was the Forge of Freedom for two World Wars?

Just not to appear a complete greenlipped alien from Biaviia, you better go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties and familiarize yourself with WW2 casualties, this gives a rough idea who was fighting that war and who won it. Please keep also in mind that the losses in offensive face-to-face combat generally go 3 to 1 attacker to defender.

Germany lost 5.5 million on the fronts, of this 5 million on Eastern front, and USSR lost over 10 million - while USA, which effectively entered the war in late 1944, lost about 400 thousand and its main milestones on European Theater was complete defeat suffered at Ardene and barbaric bombing Dresden civilians. In order to compare, Soviet losses in Berlin operation alone were over 300,000 - almost equal to total loss of UK for the entire war (380 thou).

It is precisely the fact that USA did not suffer losses during WW2 made it a world power after the war.

However, returning to the initial topic of this thread, I must say that as an engineer I can not imagine a hurricane-making machine - but I can imagine the one making earthquakes, and this machine must be damn simple! You dig a concreted shaft toward you adversary and explode in it a nuclear device, backed with a cumulative funnel made of the same concrete. This ensures almost a ray coming out of this shaft down toward the mantle - as the earth is liquid, this ray spreads in it with the speed of sound and hits the tectonic plate from underneath. If this thing is targeted to the seismic area, it may trigger the earthquakes on the other end.

I can recall watching Russian TV in 1999 (or when it was, Kosovo war?) - and I can recall the Parliament vice-speaker, nationalist Zhirinovski openly threatening Turkey with earthquake...

Another "coincidence" is that 2 weeks before the conflict Russian scientists were operating at the bottom of that Baikal lake in mini submarines...

Oh don't get me wrong on those points. Yes America aka the United States did indeed help in that regard. Also look up Prescott Bush and his hand in world war 2 funding. Supplying two fronts means little.

I am very aware of the lending practices of war and well I'm a bit worried about how much the Chinese have lent to the U.S. The U.S. is up to it's doubble "hehe" chins "hehe" in debt with the Chinese. I here about the Chinese threat everyday. Why does the U.S. keep borrowing there money? Russia had to pay back monies owed, Britain had to pay back monies owed. Is the U.S. going to be able to pay back the monies owed? and to a somewhat enemy that would and could call in it's debts. America has borrowed so much from a potential rival that the rival now has the upper hand.

9 trillion indebt, the Chinese will see there share last I bet, and they may not like that as the U.S. claims to be re-building it's economy. I am worried about the American people as a whole as what the goverment is doing is just digging it deeper. War is money, and well who doesn't want money?

Not exactly like that - this figure is a total debt of USA in international trade. It owes 1500 billion to China and some 500 billion to Russia, as these both keep the treasuries (which US uses to pay with instead of money). Due to this huge debt both Russia and China are interested in fast recovery of US economy, while US is more interested to find excuse not to pay the debt. Obviously, if the peace continues, money would be paid somehow - but the war can write them off in both cases, as even if US loses the war this would be an excuse to stretch this debt indefinitely, same as Russia did with the debts made by Tsar's government, as they are unpaid even today.

Say what? The world ante up? Ok so the self proclaimed leader of morality and justice wants the world to ante up? Why would the world have to ante up so a super hero opps super power. I thought it was done because the so called good guys did it because it was right. Not so the good guys could call in favors for there other less super hero selves. The world does not want the U.S. to lead the way to a better future, cause if you believe in the American dream you have to be sleeping duh.

Most of the work, oh ffs give me a break, it's a self serving mechanism that makes overly patriotic folk clamor to help the government and it's agenda. You think lib's are bad well damn look in the mirror. You perpetuate all that your righteous government tells you, Pathetic and un patriotic to say the least.

Actually international trade is the cause of all wars, including the world wars. Say, before WW1 Germany was the main investor in Russia's economy, while France and England were Russia's adversaries since Crimean campaign. Moreover, Russia was ruled by de-facto German dynasty of Romanovs, as they were offshoot of Hanover house. But when the accumulated volume of German investment and the preferences given to German businesses by the authorities started to affect Russian national businesses, the latter turned the tables and Russia attacked Germany with excuse of protecting Serbia from Austrian invasion.

Same happens today - US owes so much that it became dangerous for the creditors.

Federal reserve, contols the states money. It's an independant banking outfit that prints money that has little value. What backs the American dollar? international bankers. If one is wise one would be buying gold. Thats just my 2 cents on that one.

Gold does not bring profits by itself, it is only a way to make treasures. All governments overprint money and inflation goes worldwide, as every country tries to keep national currency as low as possible (in order to enhance the exports) - but the price of gold is not directly following the inflation and thus there is a risk of losses.

US' creditors know that US has no money to pay, but the guarantee for them is the size of US economy and its stability; this stability includes powerful military forces - so objectively China and Russia are interested in the role of US as a world policeman, as they profiteer from this role. But all perfect worlds come to the end, and we are about to reach such end soon - because the amount US owes now can not be paid back at all, if China tries to cash the treasuries, US dollar would next day become like the one in Zimbabwe, so China would get 1500 1-billion-dollar notes for all . This won't affect US too much, except they would have to print even more money - but for China this would be devastating, as this would leave it naked with hungry billion people grossly upset (means a biiig riot!). Russia won't collaps if loses half a trillion it holds, because it still has the resources, but this can drive China into war against Russia, while US may stay aside watching the results. Its very funny, the times which are approaching! I wish Cold War to be back - at least there was plenty of job then.

Thank you, marabod. I'm glad to know somebody here has something more than a bland, highschool knowledge of World War II. While I wouldn't quite say the US didn't suffer losses, I understand what you're getting at and feel the rest of your post was spot-on. America may have provided war materials, but without Russia's manpower (and also their considerable amount of resources and machinery) the allies never would have won such a complete victory.

Anyways, back to whatever you guys were debating before.

Something tells me that Russia is not scared of war with USA at all, and about having a war with EU they do not even think at all, as USA is too far for a direct confrontation (missiles are EXCLUDED, the one who shoots them first remains unprotected against the third party) while EU it takes 45 minutes to conquer.

But Russia is seriously scared of war with China, as China has unlimited human resources and close proximity to Russia's underbelly. I think the war in Georgia was specifically targeting to demonstrate the Chinese what Russia can accomplish against a US-trained army, armed with American weapons and having numeric superiority - as Georgians operate with about 30,000 troops, while Russia introduced exactly 1/3 of this amount, 10,000. Also, Chinese can see that this was all done with conventional arms without using any nuclear, chemical or biological weapons and modern technologies. Russia itself emphasizes this fact, that satellite backing in this war was far from perfect, while the Georgians had it in full. Next stage is standoff with US ships or even missile exchange with them - who cares? Russia is ready to lose the entire Black Sea fleet, as this would only justify nuclear response, and if this happens China can forget about possible attack, while with US it is always possible to reach some agreement.

You're not wrong, but where would Mother Russia been without good American Ford trucks and Jeeps? How could they have moved their industrial might east, beyond air range of the Luftwaffe?

Stalin's forces would have been gobbled up by the Wehrmacht as they moved east. Yes, Roosevelt played Stalin off against Hitler, but Stalin would have been swallowed up by Hitler without the vast industrial output of Detroit, and the American Merchant Marine convoys transporting enormous materiel to Russia, in the face of German betrayal and ferocity.

Could you provide a link. Ford and G.M. supplied Russia with such things.

OK, I will, but it's fairly common knowledge America provided trucks, weapons, and huge amounts of war materiel to Russia.

Edit: Here's reference to American Studebaker trucks:

"Equally important was Lend-Lease’s contribution to transportation. It would have been impossible for the Red Army to move the masses of troops and supplies on the primitive roads to the front lines without American Studebaker trucks, which also served as the launching pads for the dreaded Soviet rocket artillery. The trucks were also used for more sinister activities, including the deportation of the North Caucasus Muslims. Less satisfactory for combat were the Western tanks, inferior to the German machines and particularly disadvantaged in the open terrain of the Eastern Front. The memoirs of General Dmitri Loza, published in English in 1996, give us a vivid picture of how these tanks were employed by the Russians. American aircraft, flown by Russian ferry pilots across the vast expanse of Siberia, were put to good use by the Soviet air forces even with planes that were less than popular with Western pilots. A case in point was the Bell P-39 Airacobra, used both as a low-altitude fighter and as ground support. Its odd shape gave Soviet censors fits because it was difficult to conceal that it was the favorite mount of their second-highest-ranking ace, the future marshal of aviation, Aleksandar I. Pokryshkin.

Besides weaponry and food, Lend-Lease provided the Soviet Union with other resources, ranging from clothing to metals. With the start of the Cold War, Lend-Lease became a forgotten chapter in Soviet history and was only revived after glasnost. Now, thanks to Russian researchers and this excellent study, the West will have access to the real story. Lend-Lease provided vital help for the Soviet Union when the country was in desperate straits and made a significant contribution to the final victory. It also strengthened Josef Stalin, a fact that did not bother its chief architect, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who saw beyond the Allied victory and looked at Stalin as a counterbalance to the European colonial powers."

http://www.historynet.com/russias-life-sav...book-review.htm