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shirini
This is just Sick ohmy.gif , Twisted blink.gif and Disgusting.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...rime_pigfarm_dc
<bleeding_heart>
Yes, yes it is!
stillcrazy
Some people are just plain sick. But this isn't the first time I have heard of this. There was a case in Utah a few years back that a pig farmer fed his victims to the oinkers.

Gives new meaning to "Pork and Beings"
Athenian
I dont see the difference between the murder of pigs and prostitutes. rolleyes.gif

Distributing human meat is another thing though... wacko.gif
stillcrazy
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dont see the difference between the murder of pigs and prostitutes.


One would hope that you hold human life in a little higher regard than what you stated. In the Utah case only a couple of the victims were prostitutes, the remainder where school girls.
<bleeding_heart>
Not many people care stillcrazy until a "normal" person is killed, the yorkshire ripper didnt bother most people until he killed a bank teller/cashier then even the female police officers became worried. It's not right but it's the way things usually are.
stillcrazy
Bleeding Heart, I know your right, but for some stupid reason I keep holding out hope that there are people with feelings for their fellow humans. Oh well, been wrong before.
odinsupreme
Glad I don't live in Canada tongue.gif grin2.gif

Who knows, maybe it tastes better! tongue.gif grin2.gif laugh.gif

Odin
<bleeding_heart>
QUOTE (stillcrazy @ Mar 11 2004, 09:54 PM)
Bleeding Heart, I know your right, but for some stupid reason I keep holding out hope that there are people with feelings for their fellow humans. Oh well, been wrong before.

There are they just dont always make their feelings known (at least I hope so).
Athenian
Lets all hold degenerates with nothing to contribute to the development of humanity in high regard! blink.gif
Would you rather want to say your offspring is a prostitute or a leader of a spiritual revolution? huh.gif
stillcrazy
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Lets all hold degenerates with nothing to contribute to the development of humanity in high regard

All life is sacred. I could care less what they did. If they are judged by the law to be in the wrong, then the law will deal with it. No one and I could care less who or what they are, deserves to be murdered.

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Would you rather want to say your offspring is a prostitute or a leader of a spiritual revolution?
Neither.
Talon
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I dont see the difference between the murder of pigs and prostitutes.


Highly controvercial, I like the way you think thumbsup.gif


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One would hope that you hold human life in a little higher regard than what you stated.


Why should he? I sure don't grin2.gif


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Lets all hold degenerates with nothing to contribute to the development of humanity in high regard


All life is sacred. I could care less what they did. If they are judged by the law to be in the wrong, then the law will deal with it. No one and I could care less who or what they are, deserves to be murdered.


I have to agree with Athenian, some people just don't deserve to live... personally I don't care about protestutes (so long as its legalised and taxed), but phediophiles, rapists, bullies, welfare scoungers etc give nothing to society and should simply be done away with. thumbsup.gif The authorities who in this mordern era give more rights to criminals than their victims couldn't deal with squat. That said, if we're going to discuss the value of human life we should start another topic as its got little relevance to this thread and if we continue we're just going to be banned for going off topic again.

So returning to the topic.... sick dontgetit.gif
stillcrazy
Guess I was wrong again. Nothing new.

I find that people I had respect for turn out not to deserve it.

Never again.
Ravenheart
I live in Canada but on the other end of the country thank god LOL This story has been going on for at least the last year or so.
Nervous_Circuits
Talon S. and Athenian are some of the dumbest people on the board. The worst thing is using these emoticons in context of something that is pretty serious (oh yes...I think everyone deserves to live.)

Comparing pigs to prostitutes isn't "controversial", it's stupid, and it has the same wit as a bigot living in the past. As far as this holding back society bullshit goes I think you're both heartless morons who have turned this topic into a joke. Robert Pickton was a very sick man who did very harsh things to human beings and you two are talking about it as if it's a good oportunity to show off your humourous views on the so-called "problems of society". Try to put yourself in these prositutes shoes for a second and imagine what kind of cruelty was inflicted upon them...and regardless of whether you think they are an anchor to society's "development", can you honestly say that their deaths, or anyone's for that mater, are deserved? It's a shame this post hasn't inspired serious questions such as asking ourselves what we would do in a similar situation where our lives where being destroyed and played with. Anyways, I think you guys are pretty sick people.
Ravenheart
QUOTE (Athenian @ Mar 11 2004, 05:01 PM)
Lets all hold degenerates with nothing to contribute to the development of humanity in high regard! blink.gif
Would you rather want to say your offspring is a prostitute or a leader of a spiritual revolution? huh.gif

Would you feel the same if you had a relative that was a prostitute?
Athenian
There is a difference between ____ and ____.
It is a feeling that I think can not be described just by words.

Every human has the right to live and possibly has the chance or choice of... I dont know. Too many humans can not live and... How does each and every human taste life? blink.gif Peace and conflict is... sleep.gif I dont know... yet.

Bleh it is hard to explain... sad.gif

Guess all we can do is wait for the next golden age of enlightenment...
Nervous_Circuits
QUOTE (Athenian @ Mar 11 2004, 11:54 PM)
There is a difference between ____ and ____.
It is a feeling that I think can not be described just by words.

Every human has the right to live and possibly has the chance or choice of... I dont know. Too many humans can not live and... How does each and every human taste life?  blink.gif Peace and conflict is... sleep.gif I dont know... yet.

Bleh it is hard to explain...  sad.gif 

Guess all we can do is wait for the next golden age of enlightenment...


Yah. Thanks for clearing things up there. Very profound. Beautifully worded too. If there's ever going to be someone to lead us into a utopian era of misplaced values you'll be the sure leader and poet that touches us all!
shirini
SC Wrote
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All life is sacred. I could care less what they did.


Very well stated.

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No one and I could care less who or what they are, deserves to be murdered.


Again very well stated.

I think is truy the sadist thing in the world that these women get murded in drones and no one really thinks anything of it. These pople have fathers, mother, children,etc. Just because you you don't like what they do for a a living doesn't mean that they don't deserve to live!
Talon
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Talon S. and Athenian are some of the dumbest people on the board.


I have a degree in social sciences, I have a BA in history, I am going ti do an MA in politics... dumb I am not. In fact I probably one of the most intelligent people on this board, simply because I agree with the death penalty does not change this.


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Comparing pigs to prostitutes isn't "controversial", it's stupid, and it has the same wit as a bigot living in the past.


For calling me stupid, your the one who sarcasm goes over the head off.

Second, I you BOTHERED reading you would see I said protesution does not bother me.

Third, it is controversial. Since you obviously don't know the meaning of the word, here's a definition:

"controversial

adj : marked by or capable of arousing controversy; "the issue of the death penalty is highly controversial"; "Rushdie's controversial book"; "a controversial decision on affirmative action"
"

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=c...troversial&r=67

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I think you're both heartless morons


Well I think your a lot of things too, but at least I have the descency to keep them, to myself

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Robert Pickton was a very sick man who did very harsh things to human beings and you two are talking about it as if it's a good oportunity to show off your humourous views on the so-called "problems of society".


humourous? I said I beleived the man and crimals like him should be executed, I fail to see the humour

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Try to put yourself in these prositutes shoes for a second and imagine what kind of cruelty was inflicted upon them...and regardless of whether you think they are an anchor to society's "development"


Again, READ POST! I said the man should be executed, is that not a big enoug punishment for you?


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can you honestly say that their deaths, or anyone's for that mater, are deserved?


I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but I feel certain crimal elements can only be dealt with by the death penalty. Lots of US states agree with me, you want to call them moronic too? Part of being part of a forum is if you disagree, instead of calling them moronic, give a different opinion. Your outburst simply shows a complete lack of self-control or acceptance that other people have differing views.

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It's a shame this post hasn't inspired serious questions such as asking ourselves what we would do in a similar situation where our lives where being destroyed and played with. Anyways, I think you guys are pretty sick people.


Actually rather than saying sick Athenian and I are the only ones who've posted anything serious. The rest of you have said eww sick, I mentioned the death penalty as a suitable punishment, and Athenian mentioned something controversial, and whether we agree with that or not its a serious view point relating to topic.

Again, yeah yeah I agree with the death penalty I'm sick, whoopdy doo rolleyes.gif
Talon
On a further note I don't see where I said people deserved to be murdered
Nervous_Circuits
QUOTE (Talon S. @ Mar 12 2004, 12:15 AM)
In fact I probably one of the most intelligent people on this board, ...For calling me stupid, your the one who sarcasm goes over the head off.


Ok then...

Nervous_Circuits
QUOTE (Talon S. @ Mar 12 2004, 12:17 AM)
On a further note I don't see where I said people deserved to be murdered


Talon S. Wrote:
"...have to agree with Athenian, some people just don't deserve to live... personally I don't care about protestutes (so long as its legalised and taxed), but phediophiles, rapists, bullies, welfare scoungers etc give nothing to society and should simply be done away with. "

Anyway, this topic is boring me and you've pretty much confirmed the initial views I had of you. I have nothing left to say with this thread.
Talon
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Anyway, this topic is boring me and you've pretty much confirmed the initial views I had of you. I have nothing left to say with this thread.


Indeed, I don't want this to turn into a flamefest but this statement proves to me your a bigot who can't take opposing views.

As for quoting I notice you highlight the don away with bit, yet you fail to notice the bit before that phediophiles, rapists,

And you also take no notice that I said "I don't care about protestutes (so long as its legalised and taxed)"

Instead of insulting people you could actually contribute something to the topic and say what a fitting punishment for this man is assuming my vote for the death penalty means squat.
Talon
On a side note in case anyone is stupid enough not to release, I when I say "legalised and taxed" I mean prosteturion, not murder
Thistle
QUOTE (Talon S. @ Mar 12 2004, 12:15 AM)
In fact I probably one of the most intelligent people on this board,

You know TalonS, I have no doubt that you are very intelligent but making statements like that really isn't doing yourself any favours......I seem to remember the last person to state that he was the most intelligent person on the forum was a certain Mr Beckjord

whistling2.gif

Anyhoo......back on topic. Very very sick man, and in this case I am very much behind the death penalty.

thumbsup.gif
Nervous_Circuits
Ok. Listen: I think your own contradictions are pretty evident and I'm not about to go through all of them. My initial post was in response to you and Athenian, and I'm well aware it was Athenian who thought prostitutes were a plague on society and not yourself. My response was more or less directed at him and not yourself.

Frankly, I don't give a damn what you received in your academic pursuits, it still doesn't change the fact that your posts are stricken with typos, but mostly you missed the whole point of my response to you. I think everyone deserves the right to live, no matter what crime they have done, even serial killers like Robert Pickton. Talon, you contradicted yourself when you said "I don't see where I said people deserved to be murdered" and then proceeded to attack the fact that I didn't highlight pedophiles, rapists, etc. But what of it? You still said they deserve to be done away with.

I'm in favour of the well-worded argument, not an one that's laced with grammatical errors, hypocrisy, and immaturity (Indeed I think it's immature to claim you're one of the smartest individuals on the board). I can apologize, with certain reluctance, for calling you a moron; I think there's many hang-ups with using the internet to get one's views out.
Talon
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You know TalonS, I have no doubt that you are very intelligent but making statements like that really isn't doing yourself any favours......I seem to remember the last person to state that he was the most intelligent person on the forum was a certain Mr Beckjord


No idea who he is tongue.gif and I have an ego, so what I never hid that tongue.gif , but I never said I was "the" most intelligent people, just "one of the" most. grin2.gif

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Anyhoo......back on topic. Very very sick man, and in this case I am very much behind the death penalty.


Indeed, sick... but not in a mentally ill way, more evil way. And it's nice to see someone else backing the death penalty for men and woman like him thumbsup.gif
Talon
I really don't want this to turn into a flamefest, cause the mods seem to be cracking down on them, so if any off you guys are reading this know that I'm simply responding to this guys negative views of me and not attempting to start up any sort of arguement which warrant banning.

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Frankly, I don't give a damn what you received in your academic pursuits, it still doesn't change the fact that your posts are stricken with typos, but mostly you missed the whole point of my response to you. I think everyone deserves the right to live, no matter what crime they have done, even serial killers like Robert Pickton. Talon, you contradicted yourself when you said "I don't see where I said people deserved to be murdered" and then proceeded to attack the fact that I didn't highlight pedophiles, rapists, etc. But what of it? You still said they deserve to be done away with.


1. I write fast and I don't bother checking grammar, the later of which is the focus of English not history and politics. I don't care if you want a well grammared post, this isn't getting marked and in a few days forgotten, it's not marked nor vital to the future.

2. Two there is no hypocracy in muder and death penalty, as one is legal and carried out by government, while the other is illegal and carried out by people for various reasons.

3. If you beleive that criminals have right to life, then fine thats your choice, I haven't insulted anyone who has agreed with you and in the interests of peace it would help if you did the same.


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hypocrisy, and immaturity (Indeed I think it's immature to claim you're the smartest person on the board). I can apologize, with certain reluctance, for calling you a moron; I think there's many hang-ups with using the internet to get one's views out.


1. I covered the hypocrisy bit

2. Again, READ THE POST, I said "one of", not "the". It helps if you read what people say. And considering it was in response to you insulting my intellegence, I was well within my rights to defend myself.

3. Immaturity? Dude I have done nothing but say I beleive the individual in question and similar crimes are worthy of the death penatly. Its you who is nit icking over grammar and insulting fellow boardmembers. I don't think I'm the immature one.


Now, I have to agree with thistle can we get back to the topic at hand
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Nervous_Circuits - Right on

Athenian- What a load of drivel!

For the record what is disgusting is the fact that the police were aware for a very long time that prostitutes were being reported as missing & the police did nothing at all for years. If 20 socialites disappeared, do you think that it would have taken a decade for the police to investigate this.

Dot9M
Talon
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For the record what is disgusting is the fact that the police were aware for a very long time that prostitutes were being reported as missing & the police did nothing at all for years. If 20 socialites disappeared, do you think that it would have taken a decade for the police to investigate this.


There are many injustices in the current system, considering how many criminals escape through the net it doesn't surprise me. That said, you don't know it was police predjudice, if he was getting rid of bodies by feeding it to pigs it would have made it very difficult to get evidence, hence making the situation of linking anyone to the murders incredably hard.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Talon, the story of prostitutes disappearing from Vancouver has been in the news for years, long before the world heard of Robert Picton. Street workers had been reporting that alot of the prostitutes were last seen with a man of similar description. It wasn't until after the story featured on America's Most Wanted that there seemed to be action taken to find out what was going on.


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Would you rather want to say your offspring is a prostitute or a leader of a spiritual revolution?


Athenian-It is unlikely that most of our offspring will grow up to be either. I certainly hope my offspring does not grow up to be a self righteous bigot. Remember what was said about casting the first stone.

Dot9M

Cercea
It's times like these I'm glad I'm a vegan... thumbsup.gif

I don't think we, as humans, have the right to end another human's life. If you want to argue more on the death penalty, I made another thread a while back called "The Death Penalty"(amazingly, it wasn't locked)

Back on topic, I feel incredibly sorry for the victims and their families. Hopefully nobody ate them, but it's a possibility.
Seraphina
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I seem to remember the last person to state that he was the most intelligent person on the forum was a certain Mr Beckjord


Ah yes...him...*sighs in a nostalgic manner* Have I ever had more fun making fun of someone? happy.gif

Anyway, I agree...people like this just deserve to die; they can't be expected to function as a member of society if they somehow consider stuff like this justified...very messed up people indeed.
SilverCougar
all I gotta say is, I'm glad I don't eat pork if I can help it. *snickers*

Man that's alotta Wendigo points..
Chris_com28
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Lets all hold degenerates with nothing to contribute to the development of humanity in high regard!

So lets only help the richest and most intelligent people.

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Would you rather want to say your offspring is a prostitute or a leader of a spiritual revolution?

How common is that, Athenian? Should we kill all people that aren't the next Jesus or Buddha?
Should we just ignore peoples suffering because they made some bad decisions, even though they haven't harmed anyone beause of it?
Stamford
This is quite depressing.

I took some time off UM because the level of politeness and general civility had taken a serious nose dive.

Now, I could understand this with such emotive subjects as the War, but when people can't even agree that the life of a prostitute has more value than a pig?

I dispair, I really do.
Chris_com28
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I dont see the difference between the murder of pigs and prostitutes.

That's why I'm a vegetarian.

ambyglam
QUOTE (shirini @ Mar 11 2004, 08:54 PM)
This is just Sick ohmy.gif , Twisted blink.gif and Disgusting.



yes it is, the slaughter of innocent pigs has always disgusted me!

ph34r.gif
<bleeding_heart>
Just a thought but why, instead of killing child molesters,rapists and murderers dont we stop usinng animals for testing and use them, also let the brave people who clear mines in war torn countries go home and just line the molesters and murders up and tell them to run across the mine field, if they get across they can do a couple of thousand victory laps.
stillcrazy
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Just a thought but why, instead of killing child molesters,rapists and murderers dont we stop usinng animals for testing and use them, also let the brave people who clear mines in war torn countries go home and just line the molesters and murders up and tell them to run across the mine field, if they get across they can do a couple of thousand victory laps.


thumbsup.gif

I'm not sure and I will check on this, but I believe at one time they allowed convicted murders, rapist, pedaphiles nad such to shave a few years off their senteces if they allowed themselves to be used for testing.

Stamford
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yes it is, the slaughter of innocent pigs has always disgusted me!


It's great that, even in the darkest of times, some people can find the lighter side of life, even in mass murder!!

Good for you, mate!
stillcrazy
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It's great that, even in the darkest of times, some people can find the lighter side of life, even in mass murder!!


I think if we didn't have humor in dark times, we would all go mad. Of couse some of ya have already started on the trip.


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Gives new meaning to "Pork and Beings"
Me
superfly911911
On this subject I agree with Talon. Some people do not deserve to live. I also agree with bleeding heart. Those people are sick, demented, and have no shred of dignity or honor. However there are worse things someone can do than kill a hooker, or any other dishonorable scum of society. But even this will not make me give up pork!!! thumbsup.gif
Stamford
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Those people are sick, demented, and have no shred of dignity or honor. However there are worse things someone can do than kill a hooker, or any other dishonorable scum of society.


This is beyond a joke...are you serious?

You realise (not) that a large proportion of prostitutes were abused kids from broken homes, who often never have a chance in life?
Talon
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I don't think we, as humans, have the right to end another human's life. If you want to argue more on the death penalty, I made another thread a while back called "The Death Penalty"(amazingly, it wasn't locked)


Actually you'll find the people who mentioned the guy should get death penalty mentioned it as a statement not a point of discussion, its the lifeers who started calling us sick and turning it into a debate about the death penalty... actually more about why people who agree with the death penatly aren't morons.


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Now, I could understand this with such emotive subjects as the War, but when people can't even agree that the life of a prostitute has more value than a pig?


Actually Athania is the only person who mentioned anything of the sort, and considering he spouts a lot of controversial stuff all over the place I'm surprised anyone has taken it to heart. The second closest comment was by superfly911911, but I think he simply meant it as a sarcastic comment. Something a lot of people on this site don't get.
Ether that or he ment something like, it could have been worse, it could have been kids.

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Just a thought but why, instead of killing child molesters,rapists and murderers dont we stop usinng animals for testing and use them, also let the brave people who clear mines in war torn countries go home and just line the molesters and murders up and tell them to run across the mine field, if they get across they can do a couple of thousand victory laps.


Thats even more controversial that the death penatly I like thumbsup.gif (and before I get a lot of people claiming I'm a fascist again, read the context and realise simply because I like debating controversial things doesn't mean I agree with them)
Anyway, I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but if your not I'll simply say that 1. mine-removal provides jobs 2. it would be to much trouble cleaning up the mess than just removing the bombs.

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You realise (not) that a large proportion of prostitutes were abused kids from broken homes, who often never have a chance in life?


Actually thats a sterotype, although it is unlikely that the children of high-earning families would end up in such a career it has been known to happen (particularly in the case of high class call girls), second, can you prove the claim that most were abused as children i.e. a stastical account or something.

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Talon, the story of prostitutes disappearing from Vancouver has been in the news for years, long before the world heard of Robert Picton. Street workers had been reporting that alot of the prostitutes were last seen with a man of similar description. It wasn't until after the story featured on America's Most Wanted that there seemed to be action taken to find out what was going on.


Back on subject....
My point is that since the criminal did not know the victims, the police could not link a motive to anyone (most murders are comminted by people who know the victim), second if he was making sure nobody could get any evidence. So the police were looking for a killer who had no motive, they lacked any form of evidence to go by and since he only struck every so often they couldn't be expected to launch a successful undercover op. Furthermore, yes if police dramas are anything to by then the police may have a habit of going, 'oh its just a hoker, lets get the real crinials' but that is fiction so we don't know how it really works.
My point is the police would have had a very difficult time at this, and there are plenty of murders without motiv or evidence which go for decades without anyone being caught which don't involve protestutes, yet nobody is claiming the police couldn't care less then.


Anyway, I'll once again relitarate that this guy is evil, he's killed 60 people, if he goes to jail he'll just get out in 20 years and do it all over again. Instead he should just be hung. If you don't like that punishment then instead of shouting moron, just deal with it, everyone has a right to their own opinions.
<bleeding_heart>
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1. mine-removal provides jobs 2. it would be to much trouble cleaning up the mess than just removing the bombs.



I am serious

The bulk of the removal teams are local volunteers who's only incentive is to make the area safe for locals

It takes upwards of an hour for a single mine, finding the thing, exposing it, finding the type, setting the corridor, mapping the area, choosing what way to disable it etc. The remains are easily covered with a bit of dirt and can be left to rot.
Talon
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I am serious

The bulk of the removal teams are local volunteers who's only incentive is to make the area safe for locals

It takes upwards of an hour for a single mine, finding the thing, exposing it, finding the type, setting the corridor, mapping the area, choosing what way to disable it etc. The remains are easily covered with a bit of dirt and can be left to rot.



dontgetit.gif Well.... as much as can see the logic morally I wouldn't want to live in such a society... allough if the countries that have the bombs want to do it I wont complain, as long as it does happen here. grin2.gif Same as I found it funny that to mark the 50th anniversry of Mao comming to power the Chinese took all the drug dealers to the city centeres and shot them. Amusing system of justice which certainly fitted the crime, but I'd rather Scotland would stick with lethal injection. thumbsup.gif

To be honest, I don't really want to live in a country were the death penanlty is allowed, it scares me that the state could be entitled to kill its civilians (even though it would be restricted to those comitting evil) however, if it came to vote for it I'd vote in favour, simply because although it scares me I'm willing to look past my own attitudes and realise that there are some people on which imprisonment alone wont work, it is in their nature to continue on and on and on, and although at great expense to the tax payer we could lock them away forever, that would be "against their human rights". As such the only action we can take against these people is the only alternative which makes sure they can never agian harm others.
Mentalcase
Off topic and disturbing. ohmy.gif
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