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DENVER — Former president Jimmy Carter called Republican presidential candidate John McCain a "distinguished naval officer," but he said the Arizona senator has been "milking every possible drop of advantage" from his time served as a prisoner of war in Vietnam."

Jimmy Carter: Fool or tool or both?

Jimmy Carter ?

Now there was one lousy president right there. He needs to zip his lip when it comes to criticizing people.

I vote "correct."

For five and a half years John McCain couldn't dismiss Jimmy Carter's criticisms! And so on...

Total TOOL! Would he like for us to go back to 18% interest rates on mortgages and lines at the gas pump?

If anything, McCain has only recently started talking about his POW time and he's hardly milking it.

See now if everyone ignored Carter... maybe he'd go away.

Who? Is he the guy who did nothing as president and then started opening his mouth abuot what the current goverment is doing wrong?

Hey, mabey he learned from HIS mistakes (might be confusing jimmy carter with some other guy)....

TOOL! Carter is the 2nd worst presidentt ever.

Hardly second... I can think of three worse just off the top of my head. But who are you calling the worst?

who was the first?

Bush jr in the #1 spot.

I hope you say the same when old Dubya opens his yap, considering he is far worse than Jimmy Carter ever was.

Nah... he gets number two.

They are both pretty rotten as far as I'm concerned. I was too young to vote for Carter. And I've never voten for anyone with the last name of Bush.

Clearly Jimma Carter was the worst President in the history of the United States, not only in his bungling of foreign policy especially in Iran and the Middle East oil embargo, but economically the worst since the great depression. Some of you may not like Bush for his policies, but the Economic situation in the US under carter could be summed up in a few words...STAGFLATION and the misery index.

Which began during the first Nixon administration and marked the entire decade of the 1970s.

Yes, and no.

During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation, coupled with very high interest rates, oil shortages, high unemployment and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s.

During the Presidential campaign of 1976, Democratic candidate, Jimmy Carter, made frequent references to the Misery Index, which by the summer of 1976 was at 13.57%. Carter stated that no man responsible for giving a country a misery index that high, had a right to even ask to be President. Carter won the 1976 election. However, by 1980, when President Carter was running for re-election against Ronald Reagan, the Misery Index had reached an all-time high of 21.98%. Carter lost the election to Reagan.

Which Carter was suppose to fix and not make it even worst, right?

You've got to be kidding. With all the evil tyrants that have ruled this country some panzy is the worst?

Name one?

Andrew Jackson... FDR... GWB...

FDR? Are you kidding?

No. I'm very serious.

He placed United States citizens in concentration camps. He started the Manhattan project which led to the murder of a quarter million innocent women and children. He served four terms and had the constitutional limits to his powers nullified.

You don't consider that a tyrant? Are you kidding?

No I don't consider him a Tyrent. He brought the US out of the great depression. He lead the us throught WWII. He created a weapon the saved more lives then it took. ANd Yes. More would have died if the invasion of mainland japan happened. So he put Japanese in camps. It was war and hard to tell who was friend or enemy. Wow he served 3 terms. It was 3 terms not 4. Get over it. Look at the time he was serveing in. He did more good then evil. Take off your rose coloured glasses. You need to see the world as it is not what you like it to be. I'll give you Bush and Jackson. but you are dead wrong on FDR.

He saved soldier's lives and murdered citizens.


So he unlawfully put US citizens in concentration camps? Yes, it's so difficult to tell US citizens and enemy soldiers.


Now you just look stupid. He served four.


No.


Are you saying I want a world where this great nation elects murderers? No, I want a world where there is no war, where there is no hunger. A world where children don't go to bed and never wake up. I want a world where there is no disease. I want a world where great men lead our nations to prosperity. You are wearing the rose colored glasses my friend.

At the expense of continuing a really pointless thread,

is there some part of this that is not true? Are you trying to say he is NOT a distinquished naval officer or that that statement is some kind of slight?

OR are you claiming that McCain is NOT milking every possible drop of advantage from being a POW? Because if you listened to every single one of his press stops, speeches and answers, he never fails to mention that he was a POW. By definition, that is "milking" it.

Or did you just want to slur former president Carter? Carter wasn't even really involved with the DNC convention. So you can hardly call him a tool.

Thank you (seriously, no kidding) for defending Carter's comments. With friends like you...........

No pal. You are the dreamer. What you want will never happen so long as humans live. And as for being stupid you got that handled. You proved it when you called FDR a tyrant. So keep wearing those shades and hope the world stays rosie for ya.

So these tyrants left office for their terms ended, right?
And these tyrants was never prosecuted by the American people themselves, right?
And so far not one relative of these tyrants took them to justice for muder, right?

As you can see your definition of a tyrant really is quite screwed up, I think a tyrant to you is someone who's political view you disagree with.

Nice thought, now wake up and come back to earth.
A lot of great men has led the Nation to prosperity, just that those who got left behind or failed to get in the boat normally would blame someone else(specially the President) but themselves.

FDR served four terms and died in office, so no.


Jackson launched an illegal war to wipe out native Americans whe ncongress voted against the war. Not my fault he wasn't impeached.

Of course it won't happen. I didn't say it wouldn. I made those statements when you said I wanted to live in a world ruled by tyrants. Once again you distort the truth.


And you prove it when you said,



And you keep on supporting the genocide of a quarter million innocent women and children.

I'm on earth thank you. I never said those were a reality or would become one.

Of course great men have led this nation. Thomas Jefferson is a hero of mine.

Meaning, he got reelected 4 times and did not stay in power indefnitely, right?


Yes, not your fault indeed if impeachement was not seen as a result or something he deserves.

This is what Ron Paul warned about but they went and elected more CFR members to screw the economy more.

The biggest differnece between then and now is that the USA was the world's greatest creditor nation. the world owed the USA a hell of a lot more than we owed them.. in fact, the USA owned 60 % of the world economy in 1970... today the USA is the world's greatest debtor nation. we owe other countries a lot more than they owe us.. today the USA controls just over 20% of the world economy.. the USA is going broke...

In the seventies stagflation was the adjustment neccessary to bring prices in line with the higher fuel costs.. today's stagflation is the adjustment necessary to decrease the cost of overwhelming debt(inflation makes yesterday's debt cheaper). this is a big and and possibly fatal difference..

Friends who recently visited the carribean reported that it was difficult to pass dollars as most people would not accept them as payment. this should be the canary in the coal mine to all americans.

Won't that be good then that the USA won't be the imperialist, war mongering, big brother, controlling, bad image and oil sucking nation anymore?
Let's pass it on to whoever comes out on top and let's see how happy the ANTI USA crowd will be with whoever rise up as the new super power.

so be it then..

.. its not my problem nor should it be yours..

Meaning you be hoping you get swallowed last, right?

He nullified his constitutional limits. He had supreme authority over the nation. That makes him a monarch. He was serving indefinitely. There's no telling how long he'd have served had he not fallen out of good health. He started a program that resulted in the murder of a quarter million innocent women and children, that makes him a tyrant.


Let's be clear. Had the situation been dealt with properly, he'd have been impeached and arrested. He fought an illegal genocidal war against native Americans. What part of this don't you understand?

And, rightfully, it was his own party that moved to limit terms to eight years. I appreciate that about the Democratic party.

Term limits is certainly a good thing, but the man was a tyrant as I'm sure you would at least partially agree.

Aye, I would.

"The United States, one of the first countries of the modern era to have elected political offices, placed a limit of two terms on its presidency by means of the 22nd Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1951."

His party choose to nominate him. There was no LAWS that said he could not run. It was a tradition started by Washington who didn't want to serve a 3rd term. And if we use your wraped logic Lincoln would have been a tyrant also.

Plainbob, do you think it's a bad thing constitutional restraints were placed upon the presidency to two terms?

No. But to call one of the better presidents of the USA a tyrant does.

He was the last to be elected to a fourth term................

So. Does it bother you he served more then 2 terms BEFORE the term limit was law?

No, my main concern would be what he did during those four terms... you notice the number is four, not three. Those concerns would be: placing US citizens in concentration camps based on their race, nullifying the constitutional limits to his powers, and starting a program resulting in the death of a quarter million women and children.

He nullified it??? Was he ruling by Presidential decreee then? Wasn't he reelected by a democratic process 4 times? Are we talking about the same Franklin Roosevelt here??

The program that he started, wasn't Hitler after the same bomb but we simply beat him to it?

What illegal genicidal war?
I don't understand the part that a Tyrant got reelected by the American people 4 times, and then did not deal with it. Doesn't look like a tyrant to me base on the actual events.

During the war he had no constitutional limits due to national emergency. He was elected four times yes. Yes we are.

Hitler was dead before we dropped the bombs in Japan. Those quarter million innocent lives didn't need to die.


Andrew Jackson wasn't elected four times. He's the one who waged the illegal genocidal war against native Americans. Do some research on Andrew Jackson.

Yeah, it would have been preferable to suffer the one million casualties Allied planners estimated, had the planned invasion of Japan occurred.

Wow, such illogical thought is amazing.