Maybe its a person with a rare hair disorder.

I believe the Orang Pendek is only reported in Indonesia. It is described as a one meter tall humanoid more or less. There happen to be bones of a one meter tall humanoid found in Indonesia, the Homo Floresiensis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

The physical descriptions and the habitat of both are a close match. Another clue is that some local reports said that the Orang Pendek was mistaken for a lost child. Just what you would expect of a Homo Floresiensis.

That is just my Opinion however.

If it is a species on the verge of extinction, lets hope we find out in time. Very possibly another type of Orangutan? It would be quite interesting to find if it was to be a primate that is comfortable with bipedalism.
Hard to say, the Johor experince proves that tourism is a big promoter of such tales.

Any opinions welcome!

There is no physical evidence of the orange pendek and most likely will not be. Although much more plausable that there is an undiscovered sub species of orangutan out there, it is unlikely in my opinion and the opinion of most primatologists.

Actually, primate footprints -- those which don't match Orangutans and indicate bipedalism -- have been found.

So there is evidence of an undiscovered primate in the area. The discovery of Homo Floresiensis fossils lends creedence to it, as well. Perhaps Orang Pandek is a cousin of that ancient breed.

That doesn't lend any weight to the possibility that a relative could be alive and well but undiscovered though.

The recency of Homo floresiensis' continued existence and the similarities between its physical description and the accounts of Orang Pendek have led to renewed speculation in this respect.

It doesn't? Are you sure? There is physcial bones of creatures of the same habitat and build, plus local traditional stories going back hundreds if not thousands of years, plus modern sightings.

Even wikipedia says primatologists have begun to reconsider their positions on this.

But no modern remains. None. That a creature existed a long, long time ago does not lend credibility to it's modern existance, with no remains. In fact, one could consider the past existance as a conterpoint to the modern sightings.....old stories passed down generations or that exist in the collecive subconscious.

But no modern remains. None. That a creature existed a long, long time ago does not lend credibility to it's modern existance, with no remains. In fact, one could consider the past existance as a conterpoint to the modern sightings.....old stories passed down generations or that exist in the collecive subconscious.


we have tons of fossils here in america. modern remains are by far more rarer than fossil remains. their are also large gaps in the fossil record.

if i recall, dawkins said in his book that "at least 90 percent of species on earth are unknown in the fossil record"

Quote please?

Primatologists do not change their positions based on heresay and folklore.
My machine keeps locking up when I attempt to access the above link.

Incorrigible, the qoute you posted only states a "grain of truth." As in they are myths based on creatures that possibly used to exist. Not that exist currently. You're reading way too much in to that quote and injecting your own want for it to be true.

That a creature existed in the past, but no remains are found today, indicates NOT that the creature is likely to exist today, but that the stories about it are based on the creature that ONCE existed. It's not evidence that the creature might still exist.

Incorrigible, the qoute you posted only states a "grain of truth." As in they are myths based on creatures that possibly used to exist. Not that exist currently. You're reading way too much in to that quote and injecting your own want for it to be true.

That a creature existed in the past, but no remains are found today, indicates NOT that the creature is likely to exist today, but that the stories about it are based on the creature that ONCE existed. It's not evidence that the creature might still exist.

One of the damning things about any possibility of biff living in the PNW (or anywhere else) is the lack of fossil remains. Heck, if even one large hominid skull, tooth, femur, or any other discernible fossil were to turn up in North America, it would galvanize the search for bigfoot. So, here we are with fossil (quite recent, at that) remains of a hominid that just happens to be the same physical size as the cryptic Pendak, yet you dismiss, out of hand, that one could possibly relate to the other.

That's not skepticism, that stubborn resistance. No offense meant.

no its not. neo simply asks for a body.

u know that even a skull or tooth is 1/10 to 1/100 the size of the specimen? nevermind teeth, bc what we need to find is a body. its not surprising why we havent found one. their are historical acounts of large humans, (meganthropus?) with double sets of teeth. ever hear of the minerat skull?

neo you fail to consider eyewitnesses as even useful tools to find this thing. im not telling u to believe every word, but use their sightings and investigate where they take place

we dont

The problem with that is cost. It costs a lot of money to do that and it really can't be justified.

Whoa, brief sceptic backflip happening
It is possible we have missed a body or even extant specimen in PNG. It s one untamed place. Political corruption and no real local law enforcement has made most of the country a death trap. Pirates still haunt many bays. White man is the enemy. If I may digress.........
I know of one fellow that went on what we call a site visit to PNG. Minning camp. When the chopper set down everyone was briefed that if a siren went of to make your way back immediately, and use the buddy system. One man did not heed this all important warning. Of course the sirens went of, all scrambled back to safety except one lone investigator who had not heard the initial warning siren, he had just turned and started toward the chopper when a naitive silently stepped from the bushes, decapitated him and disappeared just as quickly. The SAS was sent in to retrieve the body. Dead set - dangerous place.

eww, sorry to hear that.


Actually, Incorrigible1 has an excellent point. We do have a fossil record to only 12 thousand years ago, many legends of Ebo Gogo and Orang Pendek from the area including Oz and PNG. Florensis country. And all quite recent. Upon arrival in Australia it is said the British wiped out a tribe of Ebu Gogo. The description match Homo Florensis well.
And, even more exciting, the wrist bones in Homo Florensis indicate a cousin!!! Not a dwarfed version of us! Could two hominid species have survived into this age? What a discovery that would be!!!!!!
Definitely worth investigating. Even if Orang Pendek is a rare Orangutan, perhaps we can help any plight it may be suffering and help it get back up on top.
I have to say as far as possibilities go for a living Biff, this to me seems the strongest case.

Meganthropous cannot survive in temperate or warmer climtes. His body structure cannot release the necessary heat for him to survive. He died due to his engineering. Megahumans seems to have been a failed experiment.

K, now that's done with - bah humbug, ahh that feel's better.

Is there a record of anyone looking for bones, teeth, remains anywhere but in the cave where the hobbit bones were found? Prehaps they are just waiting to be found, hanging on some local's wall or dried out in a market stall. As Psyche often points out, many great new discoveries come from biologists shopping in small village markets in remote areas.

If these little people were supposed to be strong and aggressive, then surely the locals would treasure dried body parts are tokens. I'll bet if some one went looking some "unidentified ape" remains would be found.

The Suku Anak Dalam (roughly, "Children of the Inner-forest"), also known as Orang Kubu or Orang Rimba, are a group of people who have traditionally lived in the forests of Kerinci and surrounding areas. Orang Pendek have been a part of their world for centuries. As long as outsiders have documented their culture, this tribe has described the animal as a co-inhabitant of the forest. They know the bounds of Orang Pendek territory and will often leave offerings of tobacco to keep them happy.

if we just use them as tools, we can get closer to solving it.

The problem is the number of sightings and the frequency and location do not aid the idea that there is such an animal. Even a couple of days in the field costs 1000's. For a 3 day sawfish expedition to the Keys last November for accomodation, transport, boat , food and wages and tags and tracking equipment cost nearly $10000 and that was just 4 of us and we only got one sawfish.

but the chance of discovery shouldnt make u care bout money. it isnt everything

Even National Geo thinks something is there they have had a guy there for two years and he's found the prints. If you watched Des truth tonight. In that big of a jungle its easy that it could.

Sir Edmund Hillary, the same man that had first climbed Everest in 1953, lead the 1960 trip in association with Desmond Doig.
After spending thirty years in the Himalayas Doig believes that the Yeti is actually three animals. The first is what the Sherpas call the "dzu teh." Large shaggy animals that often attack cattle. Diog thinks this is probably the Tibetan blue bear. A creature so rare it is known only in the west through a few skins, bones and a skull. The second type, called "thelma," is probably a gibbon (a known type of ape) that Diog thinks may live as far north as Nepal, though it's never been spotted past the Brahmaputra River in India. The third Yeti, "mih teh," is the true abominable snowman of legend. A savage ape, covered with black or red hair that lives at altitudes of up to 20,000 feet

Even National Geo thinks something is there they have had a guy there for two years and he's found the prints. If you watched Des truth tonight. In that big of a jungle its easy that it could.

Saw it, and they spoke with Debbie Martyr. She's been there, in search, since the early Nineties. She mentioned she's seen the pendek four times. She also mentioned she's seen the Sumatran tiger (a known resident animal) only three times.

That's weird because Sumatran tiger isn't supposed to be found on that island.

Then again, from Wiki:

"Orang Pendek (Indonesian for "short person") is the most common name given to a cryptid, or unconfirmed animal, that reportedly inhabits remote, mountainous forests on the island of Sumatra."

What island is "that island", chrisfreak?

Oh, I thought Orang Pendek located at Flores island (far from Sumatra), since some people suggesting that Orang Pendek is actually Homo Floresiensis.

A Monsterquest team also found mysterious tracks in the woods as well.

Difficult, because MQ never leaves the US.

I am sure you will find this iteresting makaya



Source

In the map, Sumatra is on the left, and Flores is the "A" of the word "Arc." Seems to be located close enough, with convenient land between, for the two to be possibly related.

Yes. it's possible that the two is related, but Orang Pendek is a Sumatran cryptid, while previously I thought it's a Floresian cryptid. That's why I was surprised when you mentioned about Sumatran tiger because I thought the whole Orang Pendek story came from Flores (which is wrong),

the last of the 3 animals gave me the chills.

but isnt the yeti quadrapedal? i have legend meets science, and it shows a picture of the yeti track, and i compared it to known great apes, it almost matches up to the mountain gorilla. even schaller has gone looking for it.

ps, cant wait for the yeren mq. giganto jaw bones are found near where sightings occur. personally, of all the mystery apes, sasquatch and yowie are long shots, while something little known like the orang pendek isnt unlikely at all