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Gazz
FBI pushes for broadband wiretap powers
ISPs, Net phone services would all have to rewire

By Ben Charny

A far-reaching proposal from the FBI, made public Friday, would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police.

The FBI's request to the Federal Communications Commission aims to give police ready access to any form of Internet-based communications. If approved as drafted, the proposal could dramatically expand the scope of the agency's wiretap powers, raise costs for cable broadband companies and complicate Internet product development.

Legal experts said the 85-page filing includes language that could be interpreted as forcing companies to build backdoors into everything from instant messaging and voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) programs to Microsoft's Xbox Live gaming service. The introduction of new services that did not support a back door for police would be outlawed, and companies would be given 15 months to make sure existing services comply.

"The importance and the urgency of this task cannot be overstated," says the proposal, which is also backed by the U.S. Department of Justice and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

"The ability of federal, state and local law enforcement to carry out critical electronic surveillance is being compromised today."

Because the eavesdropping scheme has the support of the Bush administration, the FCC is expected to take it very seriously. Last month, FCC Chairman Michael Powell stressed that "law enforcement access to IP-enabled communications is essential" and police must have "access to communications infrastructure they need to protect our nation."

The request from federal police comes almost a year after representatives from the FBI's Electronic Surveillance Technology Section approached the FCC and asked that broadband providers be required to provide more efficient, standardized surveillance facilities. Such new rules were necessary, the FBI argued, because terrorists could otherwise frustrate legitimate wiretaps by placing phone calls over the Internet.

"It is a very big deal and will be very costly for the Internet and the deployment of new technologies," said Stewart Baker, who represents Internet providers as a partner at the Steptoe and Johnson law firm. "Law enforcement is very serious about it. There is a lot of emotion behind this. They have stories that they're very convinced about in which they have not achieved access to communications and in which wiretaps have failed."

Broadband in the mix

Broadband providers say the FBI's request would, for the first time, force cable providers that sell broadband to come under the jurisdiction of 1994's Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), which further defined the already existing statutory obligations of telecommunications carriers to help police conduct electronic surveillance. Telephone companies that use their networks to sell broadband have already been following CALEA rules.

"For cable companies, it's all new," said Bellsouth spokesman Bill McCloskey.

Several cable providers, including Comcast Communications, Time Warner Cable and Cablevision had no immediate comment on the FBI's request.

The FBI proposal would also force Vonage, 8x8, AT&T and other prominent providers of broadband telephone services to comply with CALEA.

Executives from these companies have said in the past that they all intend to comply with any request law enforcement makes, if technically possible.

Broadband phone service providers say they are already creating a code of conduct to cover some of the same issues addressed by the FBI, but on a voluntary basis, according to Jeff Pulver, founder of Free World Dialup.

"We have our chance right now to prove to law enforcement that we can do this on a voluntary basis," Pulver said. "If we mandate and make rules, it will just complicate things."

Under CALEA, police must still follow legal procedures when wiretapping Internet communications. Depending on the situation, such wiretaps do not always require court approval, in part because of changes to wiretapping laws made by the USA Patriot Act.

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geeohn
Society is not really free anymore. The FBI don't really need to tap or wiretap into anything. They can use other devices more sinister than the one they are reported to conduct.
stillcrazy
Oh well, more freedom from government invasion gone out the door...... With no proof it will do anything except fatten Federal Files on everyone.
Kellalor
Make way for Big Brother! rolleyes.gif
fulltimekiller
i dont think this gonna do much i think the fbi just want to invade your privacy!!!!! Im sure those terrorist people are smart enough to use encryption if they gonna sent msg only specific people. or use those hide msg in picture (i dunno know whats it call). Glad im not in America. otherwise the fbi will be listening to my phone call sad.gif
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putting backdoor into instant messenger

thats not gonna do good if the terrorist gonna use instant messenger as there communication( which i doubt that they likely will) im sure there gonna make there on instant messenger i can make my own instant messenger plus with encryption using vb6 or vb.net. Plus hacker can find exploit and take advantage of that backdoor.
Some of you might not know but fbi has a program called carnivore which is like a packet sniffer they install at the isp and sniff up your packet on a particular ip and then reconstruct it to view what stuff your sending what site you went to etc. aTo protect against carnivore just use encryption (encryption is probably not effective against carnivore)l or get a proxy server.(i say proxy server is more effective against carnivore it wont know that your going to those site when they fbi checks it it just point to the proxy server not you)
Spartan
So what ,
until the FBI or any other type of Big Brother wana bee, become biger than God who can see all,then ill worry about it.
if God can see all,so what if a bunch of humans wana play Big bro. w00t.gif
wunarmdscissor
To be perfectly honest with you if it stops what happened in madrid happening here in ma home town of glasgow or any of your cities, then i dont care who sees what im doin ive got nothin to hide.

All this nonensence about infringing on civil liberties means nothing when a bomb tears through your home.
stillcrazy
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All this nonensence about infringing on civil liberties means nothing when a bomb tears through your home.


Each time a new law is enacted that takes away my freedom or civil Liberty, The terrorist win.

Each Time a law is enacted that takes away my freedom or Civil liberty. Each and every man, woman and child who died for freedom's sake, died in vain and with out cause.

Each time a freedom or civil liberty is taken away, I am closer to understanding how Soviet citizens felt in thier own country.
wunarmdscissor
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Each time a freedom or civil liberty is taken away, I am closer to understanding how Soviet citizens felt in thier own country.


While i can understanhd your misgivings , you are NOT anywhere close to the way people in the soviet union were living, im sorry that just not the case, you still live in a free country , you can leave, buy what you want , watch what you want , live were you want say what you want and basically do what you want. IN the soviet union none of that was possibe.

When you break it all down look past the corruption or shady goings on its all about protecting you, if there were no terrorists then it would be heading towards a soviet union type existence as what they were doin was protecting their power not their people.

I do believe that no matter which government we get in either of our country's what they will do is TRY to protect us an until terrorism is stopped ill gladly "suffer" some intrusion on my personal life as long as i dont have family that end up like one of those poor people in the madrid blast.
geeohn
From what I have read most terrorists would communicate to each other by talking or verbal communication on cell phones and also by video tape or talking to each other the old fashion way. They must use some mail to send tapes over.

The FBI is just taking an easy way out by just wiretapping. To counter act terrorism they have to send people out of the offices to do the dirty work. Now what white collar FBI guy wants to get his hands all dirty and go out of the office. So that is why they do wiretapping. Wiretapping = Lazy.

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Talon
The Thought Police are on the move again sad.gif
geeohn
I have a question, does wiretapping includes housing regulations standards? What I am trying to say is, Does the government required and used housing standard to illegally put in wiretapping equipment without the building owners knowledge? Such as when the building was constructed or when the building have to meet up to code they install something because the government requires so.

I remembered after the 9/11 thing, so building have builded in alarm system but no one knew about it until it was tested soon after the attacks.

This question above about the Housing Regulations, also applies to homes and apartments. Such as in an act of war, homes/houses and apartments can listen in from the government or other government agencies without TV or radio (since if we are attacked TV/Radio will be out).

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stillcrazy
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All this nonensence about infringing on civil liberties means nothing when a bomb tears through your home.


First. To the best of my knowledge, no homes have been bombed to date.

Second. Terrorist, as mentioned above, do not use IM and e-mail to cooridinate their plans. Much of this is done by 'mules' who run plans and messages between leaders and participants. Very little is done over open communications.

Third. These terrorist are not stupid by any means. 9/11 proved that they did not need high tech equipment to down 4 airplanes. The low tech approach defeated our high tech security systems. I have no doubt that they monitor our news reporting agencies to see what is proposed by our Government. It is easy to avoid detection if you know where the traps are.

And finally, Once a freedom is lost, it is very rarely ever recovered. And even if we put all these "systems' in place no one can guarantee you will not be a victim of a terrorist attack. Is it worth it. I don't think it will stop anything. It will cause some people from expressing their views out of fear of being monitored.
strichar
America was the first of the European colonies to separate successfully from its motherland, and it was the first nation to be established on the premise that sovereignty rests with its citizens and not with the government.



Wouldn't it be nice if our country was still based on that premise?

stillcrazy
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Wouldn't it be nice if our country was still based on that premise?


Yup, would be nice.
Naveed
In honesty, all the infringing on our rights in the name of stopping terrorism will probably backfire the more the take away our rights.
strichar
I guarantee it. When a million people show up in Washington D.C. and demand to be heard, it is a powerful, moving expression of what it means to be human, social and conscious. Next time it will be three million people. Then if they are still not heard. I think you can guess what might occur then. ph34r.gif
wunarmdscissor
sorry i didnt realise you were all experts on counter terrorism,

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First. To the best of my knowledge, no homes have been bombed to date.


Still crazy if you came from britain or ireland you would realise that lots of homes have been destroyed and many innocent families have been decimated, so dont try an tell me that.

Not all terrorism is muslim and Americans should realise that, I mean millions and upon Millions of americans had a romantic notion about the IRA and supported them, tell that to the families of omah ,my mother and father as well as the rest of our nation lived for decades with the spectre of terrorism hanging over them, so dont ever tell me that no homes have ever been bombed!!!!!

It was the governments tactics and new powers that have brought an end to the bombings , lets not kid ourselves with nonesence about the peace process, I live in the west of scotland and its about as close to the sectarian hatred in Ireland as you can get without being there and the hatred is not only still there its getting stronger, so obviously its the new powers our leaders have been granted thats preventing our children from dyding.

When will everyone realise that we have been through this and our way is the way to handle it , learn from our mistakes.
Xenojjin
more backdoors for hackers ! As if we didnt already have enough thanks to microsoft ... tongue.gif rolleyes.gif
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