I just thought of something that maybe somebody can explain
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
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How is anything still here....
QUOTE (DevilDogPratt @ Sep 16 2008, 09:32 PM) 
I just thought of something that maybe somebody can explain
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
dinosaurs were way way bigger than crocs, and i reject the crater hypothethsis, rather it had to do with the enviornment changing and the dinos couldnt adapt, and they need alot of food. crocs can go up to a couple of months without eating
QUOTE (DevilDogPratt @ Sep 16 2008, 04:32 PM)
I just thought of something that maybe somebody can explain
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
Do you understand not all life was destroyed during the Chicxulub Event? It is but one of several major extinction events, in Earth's long history.
Are you aware mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, crustaceans, mollusks, etc. all had many/several species that survived?
Maybe the crocs ate all the dinosaurs.
I just watched upon TV last night where they showed a Croc skull that was from a 21 foot long Croc they had killed many decades back this thing was Huge, and the Prehistoric Crocs were 40 Feet long…
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crocs were preeeeetty big back then so.....yeah.......but i think that they hid in the waters like the theory with the loch ness monster being a plesisasaur which survived by swimming deep down into caverns and underwater caves.....also, the water had loads of fish probably back then, and dont forget all the dead animals on land....then again....this is all just an opinion and a thought....
QUOTE (Pol_Pot_will_killyou @ Sep 16 2008, 08:27 PM)
Maybe the crocs ate all the dinosaurs.
Not all, of course, but Crocodiles probably ate MANY dinosaurs. A huge prehistoric croc of 40 feet taking down an enormous sauropod would be no more extraordinary than a modern croc taking down much larger wildebeast. Even a T-Rex could become prey, as do lions, if it carelessly took a drink and a huge prehistoric croc got its jaws over the dinos head, and pulled it in and drowned it.
And when the dinos were gone, crocs adapted into bipedal, fast running clones of carnivorous dinos like T Rex, and were the top predators until more efficient mammalian carnivores displaced them. There were large, terrestrial crocodiles as top order predators in Australia until all the megafauna land prey died off ca. 30,000 BC.
Dinosaurs seem to have been too specialised to survive the dramatic changes of the KT event, whether it was a meteor, massive vulcanism, whatever. But they did not 'turn' into birds then as is the popular misconception. There were already many species of birds. Birds survived, dinos didn't,....... with the possible exception of the large, mysterious, reptile like cryptids reported by mankind in virtually every culture and often worshipped as some of mankind's earliest gods.
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Sep 17 2008, 11:33 AM)
Not all, of course, but Crocodiles probably ate MANY dinosaurs. A huge prehistoric croc of 40 feet taking down an enormous sauropod would be no more extraordinary than a modern croc taking down much larger wildebeast. Even a T-Rex could become prey, as do lions, if it carelessly took a drink and a huge prehistoric croc got its jaws over the dinos head, and pulled it in and drowned it.
And when the dinos were gone, crocs adapted into bipedal, fast running clones of carnivorous dinos like T Rex, and were the top predators until more efficient mammalian carnivores displaced them. There were large, terrestrial crocodiles as top order predators in Australia until all the megafauna land prey died off ca. 30,000 BC.
Dinosaurs seem to have been too specialised to survive the dramatic changes of the KT event, whether it was a meteor, massive vulcanism, whatever. But they did not 'turn' into birds then as is the popular misconception. There were already many species of birds. Birds survived, dinos didn't,....... with the possible exception of the large, mysterious, reptile like cryptids reported by mankind in virtually every culture and often worshipped as some of mankind's earliest gods.
And when the dinos were gone, crocs adapted into bipedal, fast running clones of carnivorous dinos like T Rex, and were the top predators until more efficient mammalian carnivores displaced them. There were large, terrestrial crocodiles as top order predators in Australia until all the megafauna land prey died off ca. 30,000 BC.
Dinosaurs seem to have been too specialised to survive the dramatic changes of the KT event, whether it was a meteor, massive vulcanism, whatever. But they did not 'turn' into birds then as is the popular misconception. There were already many species of birds. Birds survived, dinos didn't,....... with the possible exception of the large, mysterious, reptile like cryptids reported by mankind in virtually every culture and often worshipped as some of mankind's earliest gods.
Bipedal crocs?
QUOTE (1.618 @ Sep 17 2008, 05:36 AM)
Bipedal crocs?
Google is your friend.
DC, I'm curious about your statement, "And when the dinos were gone, crocs adapted into bipedal, fast running clones of carnivorous dinos like T Rex, and were the top predators until more efficient mammalian carnivores displaced them."
From what I've googled, it seems the bipedal crocodilians, crurotarsans, appeared in the Late Triassic, not after the KT event.
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ Sep 17 2008, 03:11 PM)
Google is your friend.
So it is
I'm not sure but Roaches are still here & after were gone I'm sure they'll still be here.
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ Sep 16 2008, 07:04 PM)
Do you understand not all life was destroyed during the Chicxulub Event? It is but one of several major extinction events, in Earth's long history.
Are you aware mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, crustaceans, mollusks, etc. all had many/several species that survived?
Are you aware mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, crustaceans, mollusks, etc. all had many/several species that survived?
There's your answer right there.
So much life was around back at the time that the dinosaurs died out. Dinosaurs were just not suitable for whatever changing conditions made them extinct, crocodiles were. The same goes for many different animals and plants.
There are over a hundred distinct features that birds share with Dinosaurs, there is little dispute amongst the scientific community that birds did indeed evolve from Dinosaurs. General consensus currently seems to be that a group of theropod dinosaurs evolved during the Mesozoic Era into the first birds. The similarity of the forelimbs of Deinonychus and Archaeopteryx is quite obvious. In fact Compsognathus has been mistaken as a bird on one occasion, and at least one dromaeosaurid, Cryptovolans, may have been capable of flight. Not only that, soft tissue from the Montana T Rex find confirms the link to modern birds, and, for the first time, allowed paleontologists to establish the sex of a dinosaur. When laying eggs, female birds grow a special type of bone in their limbs, this medullary bone, which is rich in calcium, forms a layer inside the hard outer bone that is used to make eggshells. Gerhard Heilmann's theory is wrong because scince he published his theory, Dinosaurs have been found with clavicles. It turns out it is a standard feature not just of theropods but of saurischian dinosaurs.
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Sep 17 2008, 10:33 PM)
Not all, of course, but Crocodiles probably ate MANY dinosaurs. A huge prehistoric croc of 40 feet taking down an enormous sauropod would be no more extraordinary than a modern croc taking down much larger wildebeast. Even a T-Rex could become prey, as do lions, if it carelessly took a drink and a huge prehistoric croc got its jaws over the dinos head, and pulled it in and drowned it.
And when the dinos were gone, crocs adapted into bipedal, fast running clones of carnivorous dinos like T Rex, and were the top predators until more efficient mammalian carnivores displaced them. There were large, terrestrial crocodiles as top order predators in Australia until all the megafauna land prey died off ca. 30,000 BC.
Dinosaurs seem to have been too specialised to survive the dramatic changes of the KT event, whether it was a meteor, massive vulcanism, whatever. But they did not 'turn' into birds then as is the popular misconception. There were already many species of birds. Birds survived, dinos didn't,....... with the possible exception of the large, mysterious, reptile like cryptids reported by mankind in virtually every culture and often worshipped as some of mankind's earliest gods.
And when the dinos were gone, crocs adapted into bipedal, fast running clones of carnivorous dinos like T Rex, and were the top predators until more efficient mammalian carnivores displaced them. There were large, terrestrial crocodiles as top order predators in Australia until all the megafauna land prey died off ca. 30,000 BC.
Dinosaurs seem to have been too specialised to survive the dramatic changes of the KT event, whether it was a meteor, massive vulcanism, whatever. But they did not 'turn' into birds then as is the popular misconception. There were already many species of birds. Birds survived, dinos didn't,....... with the possible exception of the large, mysterious, reptile like cryptids reported by mankind in virtually every culture and often worshipped as some of mankind's earliest gods.
It is truly amazing how skilled you are at relating even subjects with nothing to do with dragons to your god-beasties. Truly, it is amazing. I am in awe.
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 17 2008, 11:14 PM)
It is truly amazing how skilled you are at relating even subjects with nothing to do with dragons to your god-beasties. Truly, it is amazing. I am in awe.
So the guys name does not tell you anything? At least he didn't say they were saved by the mothership of good.
pfftt, skeptic septic
im just wondering about how things have come to evolve from dinos after they all died out?
it does relate cause it shows another relative of dinos that could be out there
im just wondering about how things have come to evolve from dinos after they all died out?
it does relate cause it shows another relative of dinos that could be out there
QUOTE (DevilDogPratt @ Sep 18 2008, 08:07 PM)
pfftt, skeptic septic
im just wondering about how things have come to evolve from dinos after they all died out?
it does relate cause it shows another relative of dinos that could be out there
im just wondering about how things have come to evolve from dinos after they all died out?
it does relate cause it shows another relative of dinos that could be out there
darwins "survival of the fittest" explanation explain why dinosaurs couldnt possibly survive today in a harsh climate. plus if they did, no matter how remote the place is, i think satallites would notice some huge beast is shaking the forest trees.
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Sep 18 2008, 03:10 PM)
no matter how remote the place is, i think satallites would notice some huge beast is shaking the forest trees.
I saw it on Lost.
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another relative of dinos that could be out there
Komodo dragons, iguanas, chickens....
QUOTE (DevilDogPratt @ Sep 16 2008, 05:32 PM)
I just thought of something that maybe somebody can explain
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
What killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago? Until recently, many scientists assumed that nest temperatures determined the sex of dinosaurs, as it still does for many surviving reptiles. Some researchers have even speculated that's what led to their demise: The climate turned cold, the dinosaurs produced all males or all females, and the species couldn't survive. But if that was true, why wouldn't crocodilians have suffered the same fate? "It suggests there was something different about dinosaur behavior or biology that made them susceptible," says Lang.
Scientists have argued that water could be part of the explanation, says Perran Ross of the Crocodile Specialist Group at the Florida Museum of Natural History. When the dinosaurs died out, many of the creatures that survived— including turtles and crocodilians— were aquatic. And the water they lived in may have ameliorated the effects of whatever killed large, land-dwelling animals. "Whatever it was that did dinosaurs in— meteor impact, global winter, or whatever— may have been less intense in aquatic environments," says Ross.
http://discovermagazine.com/2001/may/featalligator
QUOTE (Isis2200 @ Sep 19 2008, 10:16 AM)
What killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago? Until recently, many scientists assumed that nest temperatures determined the sex of dinosaurs, as it still does for many surviving reptiles. Some researchers have even speculated that's what led to their demise: The climate turned cold, the dinosaurs produced all males or all females, and the species couldn't survive. But if that was true, why wouldn't crocodilians have suffered the same fate? "It suggests there was something different about dinosaur behavior or biology that made them susceptible," says Lang.
Scientists have argued that water could be part of the explanation, says Perran Ross of the Crocodile Specialist Group at the Florida Museum of Natural History. When the dinosaurs died out, many of the creatures that survived— including turtles and crocodilians— were aquatic. And the water they lived in may have ameliorated the effects of whatever killed large, land-dwelling animals. "Whatever it was that did dinosaurs in— meteor impact, global winter, or whatever— may have been less intense in aquatic environments," says Ross.
http://discovermagazine.com/2001/may/featalligator
Scientists have argued that water could be part of the explanation, says Perran Ross of the Crocodile Specialist Group at the Florida Museum of Natural History. When the dinosaurs died out, many of the creatures that survived— including turtles and crocodilians— were aquatic. And the water they lived in may have ameliorated the effects of whatever killed large, land-dwelling animals. "Whatever it was that did dinosaurs in— meteor impact, global winter, or whatever— may have been less intense in aquatic environments," says Ross.
http://discovermagazine.com/2001/may/featalligator
Very interesting read. I am not sure about the egg theory as Crocodillians lay their eggs out of the water - so that would not have had an effect tempwise to give them an advantage over Dinosaurs, and we also lost the marine reptiles like Pleisiosaur's. Pterodactyls went but birds did not. I think he may be closer to the answer when he said
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Global warming? No problem; alligators will just head north. "If the environment changes, these guys would basically move with it,"
Adaptive traits seem to be the most succesful.
QUOTE (Bish815 @ Sep 18 2008, 01:47 AM)
I'm not sure but Roaches are still here & after were gone I'm sure they'll still be here.
They might be able to survive a nuclear war, but they can't survive my foot.
I'm not sure about ancient crocodilians, but modern ones bury their eggs in a decomposing pile of vegetation that helps to regulate temperatures and they are usually closely monitored by the mother. The ancient crocs may have used this process as well, or it may just be that this behavior came about because of global temperature changes.
lol nevermind, this article seems to show that crocodiles have been making their nests almost the same way for almost 110 million years. Surprising what a little research will do.
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older.../199802860.html
*That being the case, I don't know how much attention that land based dinos had for their eggs, this may be part of the reason that crocodilians had an advantage.
lol nevermind, this article seems to show that crocodiles have been making their nests almost the same way for almost 110 million years. Surprising what a little research will do.
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older.../199802860.html
*That being the case, I don't know how much attention that land based dinos had for their eggs, this may be part of the reason that crocodilians had an advantage.
After doing a little reading on the subject I found an odd fact. (at least it's odd to me ) It seems that some frogs and salamanders also survived the extinction of the dinosaurs. The reason I find it odd is that frogs are usually very sensitive to environmental change, in fact they are used by biologists to determine at a glance the health of an ecosystem. Healthy frogs usually equals a healthy ecosystem. Possibly it wasn't a change in environmental conditions that caused the extinction of dinosaurs but something else?
) It seems that some frogs and salamanders also survived the extinction of the dinosaurs. The reason I find it odd is that frogs are usually very sensitive to environmental change, in fact they are used by biologists to determine at a glance the health of an ecosystem. Healthy frogs usually equals a healthy ecosystem. Possibly it wasn't a change in environmental conditions that caused the extinction of dinosaurs but something else?
QUOTE (DevilDogPratt @ Sep 18 2008, 02:07 PM)
pfftt, skeptic septic
im just wondering about how things have come to evolve from dinos after they all died out?
it does relate cause it shows another relative of dinos that could be out there
im just wondering about how things have come to evolve from dinos after they all died out?
it does relate cause it shows another relative of dinos that could be out there
That's very true. The sentient 'dragons' of world-wide human belief bear remarkably dinsoaur-like characteristics despite the fact no human should have ever seen a dinosaur. Nor would ancient man be able to distinguish dinosaur bonese from mammal bones.
QUOTE (Isis2200 @ Sep 18 2008, 07:16 PM)
What killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago? Until recently, many scientists assumed that nest temperatures determined the sex of dinosaurs, as it still does for many surviving reptiles. Some researchers have even speculated that's what led to their demise: The climate turned cold, the dinosaurs produced all males or all females, and the species couldn't survive. But if that was true, why wouldn't crocodilians have suffered the same fate? "It suggests there was something different about dinosaur behavior or biology that made them susceptible," says Lang.
Scientists have argued that water could be part of the explanation, says Perran Ross of the Crocodile Specialist Group at the Florida Museum of Natural History. When the dinosaurs died out, many of the creatures that survived— including turtles and crocodilians— were aquatic. And the water they lived in may have ameliorated the effects of whatever killed large, land-dwelling animals. "Whatever it was that did dinosaurs in— meteor impact, global winter, or whatever— may have been less intense in aquatic environments," says Ross.
http://discovermagazine.com/2001/may/featalligator
Scientists have argued that water could be part of the explanation, says Perran Ross of the Crocodile Specialist Group at the Florida Museum of Natural History. When the dinosaurs died out, many of the creatures that survived— including turtles and crocodilians— were aquatic. And the water they lived in may have ameliorated the effects of whatever killed large, land-dwelling animals. "Whatever it was that did dinosaurs in— meteor impact, global winter, or whatever— may have been less intense in aquatic environments," says Ross.
http://discovermagazine.com/2001/may/featalligator
Some of the KT asteroid theory suggests the world was instandeously cooked by a massive heat wave. Animals in the water or small enough to be hiding in the ground could have survived this, like aquatic animals, small burrowing mammals, etc.
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 17 2008, 11:14 PM)
It is truly amazing how skilled you are at relating even subjects with nothing to do with dragons to your god-beasties. Truly, it is amazing. I am in awe.
Not amazing at all. It is just that you know so little about ancient mythology. For example, crocodiles were connected to the gods in many human beliefs, not just native peoples but even civilizations like the Egyptians. And the fire spewing, dragon-like leviathan of the Bible is thought by some scholars to be an exaggerated description of a crocodile.
If we eventually find proof that dragons are real creatures, they will probably be acrhosaurs, like crocodiles, birds, dinosaurs and pterosaurs, and not the more primitive reptiles like lizards, snakes and turtles.
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ Sep 17 2008, 09:11 AM)
Google is your friend.
DC, I'm curious about your statement, "And when the dinos were gone, crocs adapted into bipedal, fast running clones of carnivorous dinos like T Rex, and were the top predators until more efficient mammalian carnivores displaced them."
From what I've googled, it seems the bipedal crocodilians, crurotarsans, appeared in the Late Triassic, not after the KT event.
DC, I'm curious about your statement, "And when the dinos were gone, crocs adapted into bipedal, fast running clones of carnivorous dinos like T Rex, and were the top predators until more efficient mammalian carnivores displaced them."
From what I've googled, it seems the bipedal crocodilians, crurotarsans, appeared in the Late Triassic, not after the KT event.
But you didn't 'google' far enough. True, some of the earliest crocodiians were bipedal, but were superceded by dinosaurs in those roles. But when the dinos were gone, crocodiles made an impressive comback as LARGE bipedal terrestrial predators in the Eocene that probably hunted the mammalian megafauna. I have posted a short Wiki article on the creature below.
Pristichampsus ("saw crocodile") is an extinct genus of crocodylian that grew to approximately three metres (10 ft) in length.
Pristichampsus was heavily armoured, with long limbs indicating a cursorial (i.e. running) lifestyle. Its toes had hoof-like unguls on them. Paleontologists hypothesise that it hunted terrestrial mammals. Pristichampsus's teeth were laterally compressed, sharp and had serrated edges. Due to their similarity to those of certain theropod dinosaurs they were initially mistaken for theropod teeth, leading paleontologists to believe that some dinosaurs survived the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event.[citation needed]
Several remains of Pristichampsus have been found around the world: P. rollinatii, the type species from the Lutetian of France; P. vorax from the Middle Eocene of Wyoming and West Texas; P. hengdongensis from the Paleocene of the Hengdon Basin in China, P. birjukovi and P. kuznetzovi from the Middle Eocene of Eastern Kazakhstan; P. geiseltalensis and P. magnifrons from the Lutetian of Germany.
[edit] Terristrial adaptations
The species, P. rollinatii displays the range of morphological adaptations to terrestrial carnivory made by this genus. [1] It had extensive armour (osteoderms), and would have been an unlike swimmer, while the tail was more reminiscint of a dinosaur's, being round in cross-section and lacking the osteoderm crest observed in extant species.[1] It also had relativey long limbs with the hoof-like unguals, and was capable of galloping and facultative bipedalism.[1] However, this would only have been possible at high speeds as the centre of gravity moves in front of the pelvis.[1]
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Some of the KT asteroid theory suggests the world was instandeously cooked by a massive heat wave. Animals in the water or small enough to be hiding in the ground could have survived this, like aquatic animals, small burrowing mammals, etc.
Yes, and including that pesky little critter.........the cockroach.
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Sep 19 2008, 04:26 AM)
After doing a little reading on the subject I found an odd fact. (at least it's odd to me ) It seems that some frogs and salamanders also survived the extinction of the dinosaurs. The reason I find it odd is that frogs are usually very sensitive to environmental change, in fact they are used by biologists to determine at a glance the health of an ecosystem. Healthy frogs usually equals a healthy ecosystem. Possibly it wasn't a change in environmental conditions that caused the extinction of dinosaurs but something else?
) It seems that some frogs and salamanders also survived the extinction of the dinosaurs. The reason I find it odd is that frogs are usually very sensitive to environmental change, in fact they are used by biologists to determine at a glance the health of an ecosystem. Healthy frogs usually equals a healthy ecosystem. Possibly it wasn't a change in environmental conditions that caused the extinction of dinosaurs but something else?Crocodiles, and many reptiles, are able to survive for over a year without food. In particular, crocodiles are not only aquatic, but dig underground lairs 9as did the mammals of the time), which may also explain their survival.
QUOTE (DevilDogPratt @ Sep 17 2008, 07:32 AM)
I just thought of something that maybe somebody can explain
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
alligators lived when dinosaurs did right, well ancestors anyways, so how are they still here if all dinosaurs were supposively wiped out?
I am not trying to be picky here...god forbid
....but crocs and alligators are found in different parts of the world.....so are you asking about crocs and alligators in general...or are you specifically asking only about alligators? 
I think the OP was asking about crocodilians in general, both gators and crocs. 
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Sep 20 2008, 10:41 PM)
I think the OP was asking about crocodilians in general, both gators and crocs.
What about Caimans and Gharials
From Psyche
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Not only that, soft tissue from the Montana T Rex find confirms the link to modern birds, and, for the first time, allowed paleontologists to establish the sex of a dinosaur.
Disputable, as recent evidence has moved towards that "soft tissue" being a species of slime mold that was leeching on some deteriating matter inside the fossils networking, though this is disputed as well, and it may still be soft tissue.
ALTHOUGH!
I do believe that smaller theropod dinosaurs are responsible for the appearance of birds.
On a side note; Iris, is it necessary to post that picture every time you post, vs. Possibly, you know, putting it in your signature?
QUOTE (DarkSide @ Sep 20 2008, 11:45 PM)
What about Caimans and Gharials
I stand corrected.
QUOTE (DarkSide @ Sep 20 2008, 11:45 PM)
Disputable, as recent evidence has moved towards that "soft tissue" being a species of slime mold that was leeching on some deteriating matter inside the fossils networking, though this is disputed as well, and it may still be soft tissue.
Have they been able to extract any proteins for analysis yet from that tissue? From what I've read so far, they have done a visual inspection, saying it "looks" similar to what would be found inside an ostrich femur.
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Sep 21 2008, 06:16 PM)
I stand corrected.
Have they been able to extract any proteins for analysis yet from that tissue? From what I've read so far, they have done a visual inspection, saying it "looks" similar to what would be found inside an ostrich femur.
Have they been able to extract any proteins for analysis yet from that tissue? From what I've read so far, they have done a visual inspection, saying it "looks" similar to what would be found inside an ostrich femur.
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Putting more meat on the theory that dinosaurs' closest living relatives are modern-day birds, molecular analysis of a shred of 68-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex protein -- along with that of 21 modern species -- confirms that dinosaurs share common ancestry with chickens, ostriches, and to a lesser extent, alligators.
While it appears impossible to salvage DNA from the bone, Asara was able to extract precious slivers of protein.
The current work by Organ and Asara suggests that the extracted protein from the fossilized dinosaur tissue is authentic, rather than contamination from a living spe-cies.
"These results support the endogenous origin of the preserved collagen mole-cules," the researchers write.
While it appears impossible to salvage DNA from the bone, Asara was able to extract precious slivers of protein.
The current work by Organ and Asara suggests that the extracted protein from the fossilized dinosaur tissue is authentic, rather than contamination from a living spe-cies.
"These results support the endogenous origin of the preserved collagen mole-cules," the researchers write.
Science Daily
Cool, thanks for that link psyche. One question though, does that mean that the T-Rex survived the extinction event, or had it already split into a separate species before that?
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Sep 19 2008, 10:11 PM)
Not amazing at all. It is just that you know so little about ancient mythology. For example, crocodiles were connected to the gods in many human beliefs, not just native peoples but even civilizations like the Egyptians. And the fire spewing, dragon-like leviathan of the Bible is thought by some scholars to be an exaggerated description of a crocodile.
If we eventually find proof that dragons are real creatures, they will probably be acrhosaurs, like crocodiles, birds, dinosaurs and pterosaurs, and not the more primitive reptiles like lizards, snakes and turtles.
If we eventually find proof that dragons are real creatures, they will probably be acrhosaurs, like crocodiles, birds, dinosaurs and pterosaurs, and not the more primitive reptiles like lizards, snakes and turtles.
Its funny coz you're wrong QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Sep 21 2008, 07:16 PM)
Cool, thanks for that link psyche. One question though, does that mean that the T-Rex survived the extinction event, or had it already split into a separate species before that?
The first birds are commonly accepted as appearing during the Jurrassic period (155–150 million years ago), so the split was already underway. Aves and crocodillia are the sole survivors of Archosauria. The earliest known Ave is Archaeopteryx lithographica, although Protoavis predates all specimens, but is some dispute about it. Cryptovolans is a is a genus of feathered, dromaeosaurid that actually made a better "bird" than Archaeopteryx as it was capable of powered flight possessed a sternal keel and had ribs with uncinate processes.
Thanks yet again psyche. 
Honestly, I'm not trying to get you to do research for me lol.
Definitely some interesting reading, I do enjoy picking your brain a bit. I always learn something from it.
Honestly, I'm not trying to get you to do research for me lol.
Definitely some interesting reading, I do enjoy picking your brain a bit. I always learn something from it.
Hey psyche, any thoughts on why some species survived and some didn't? As I stated in an earlier post there were frogs and salamanders that survived although they are generally susceptible to drastic environmental changes. There is a type of frog in Africa (or maybe Australia)I believe that can bury itself in mud before the dry season and survive until it rains again, but I don't think all frogs can do that. It does seem that there were multiple reasons for the extinction because I don't think one answer can account for all the discrepancies.
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Sep 21 2008, 07:58 PM)
Thanks yet again psyche.
Honestly, I'm not trying to get you to do research for me lol.
Definitely some interesting reading, I do enjoy picking your brain a bit. I always learn something from it.
Honestly, I'm not trying to get you to do research for me lol.
Definitely some interesting reading, I do enjoy picking your brain a bit. I always learn something from it.
No probs buddy
I like to come in here and thrash around, keeps the grey matter buzzing Good to questions ones own conclusions too. Nothing wrong with a kick in the complacency from time to time
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Sep 21 2008, 08:09 PM)
Hey psyche, any thoughts on why some species survived and some didn't? As I stated in an earlier post there were frogs and salamanders that survived although they are generally susceptible to drastic environmental changes. There is a type of frog in Africa (or maybe Australia)I believe that can bury itself in mud before the dry season and survive until it rains again, but I don't think all frogs can do that. It does seem that there were multiple reasons for the extinction because I don't think one answer can account for all the discrepancies.
You are quite right about the frog. Indigenous Aussies know how to spot burying signs, they dig them up and squeeze water out of them to drink. Like stubbbies buried all over the desert.
Cyclorana platycephala, the Water-holding Frog
I think you are right, several contributors seem to point to the demise of the Dinosaurs, they were repotedly in the worst shape of their reign when the impact event happened. The Deccan traps were poisoning the atmosphere at the time.
This is an excellent read on the KT event.
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 21 2008, 10:15 PM)
This is an excellent read on the KT event.
Good read, now I am more familiar with the K/T event. The article definitely explains a lot of things.
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Sep 22 2008, 04:00 PM)
Good read, now I am more familiar with the K/T event. The article definitely explains a lot of things.
Everything Berkley is good
Even their operating system FreeBSD is amazingly efficient. Free and IMHO much better than Windoze.
QUOTE (Archosaur @ Sep 21 2008, 12:34 AM)
Crocodiles, and many reptiles, are able to survive for over a year without food. In particular, crocodiles are not only aquatic, but dig underground lairs 9as did the mammals of the time), which may also explain their survival.
Big Salties do not eat for 6 months of the year.
The trick is knowing which 6 months that is................. :lol
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 22 2008, 02:04 AM)
Big Salties do not eat for 6 months of the year.
The trick is knowing which 6 months that is................. :lol
The trick is knowing which 6 months that is................. :lol
Not quite. Yes, they can go without eating for six months, or even more, depending on how much fat reserves they have BUT they will eat EVERY DAY if prey is easy to catch and small enough not to satiate them.
You can see proof of this at any attraction where keepers interact with crocodiles. They offer them small prey daily in order to get them to move from one enclosure to another, or simply so the audience can see them eat something. Some alligators (and probably crocs as well have been taught tricks like climbing up and sliding down slides, but to keep them doing these tings they must receive a food reward each time, just like teaching a dog tricks.
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Sep 22 2008, 06:51 AM)
Not quite. Yes, they can go without eating for six months, or even more, depending on how much fat reserves they have BUT they will eat EVERY DAY if prey is easy to catch and small enough not to satiate them.
You can see proof of this at any attraction where keepers interact with crocodiles. They offer them small prey daily in order to get them to move from one enclosure to another, or simply so the audience can see them eat something. Some alligators (and probably crocs as well have been taught tricks like climbing up and sliding down slides, but to keep them doing these tings they must receive a food reward each time, just like teaching a dog tricks.
You can see proof of this at any attraction where keepers interact with crocodiles. They offer them small prey daily in order to get them to move from one enclosure to another, or simply so the audience can see them eat something. Some alligators (and probably crocs as well have been taught tricks like climbing up and sliding down slides, but to keep them doing these tings they must receive a food reward each time, just like teaching a dog tricks.
Now watch, this croc ate last week, so he's satiatied. Now I'm going to run over and pull his tail... see how docile he is...
ARRGGUUUGHHH!!!! Oh my God1 Aieeeee!!! gasp! gurgle....
munch munch munch
Who want's to test that.... 
Croikey!
A thousand pardons, I beg.
A thousand pardons, I beg.
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