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Loonboy

Mar 15 2004, 07:27 PM

I've been reading 'The Mothman Prophecies' by John Keel and he makes a point in that work about most paranormal phenomenon being manifestations of a greater single energy.

This conclusion was drawn from sightings of the Mothman himself, Ufos reported at the same time, poltergeist phenomenon & seemingly alien visitors masquerading as humans. Each aspect was related in some way to the others during the Point Pleasant sightings for those 13 months.

Maybe what we're experiencing as Ufos and the like, are really what our ancestors thought of as 'fairies' and 'gods' etc.

Any thoughts?

Loonboy

Mar 18 2004, 02:49 AM

Take that as a 'no' then?

Kismit

Mar 18 2004, 04:18 AM

LB have you lost your touch .. No surely not , 35 people have atleast viewed this post ... That's me , Celti , Halo (probably twice), Magik , Tommy no doubt ect,ect ......

My two cents ,

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This conclusion was drawn from sightings of the Mothman himself, Ufos reported at the same time, poltergeist phenomenon & seemingly alien visitors masquerading as humans. Each aspect was related in some way to the others during the Point Pleasant sightings for those 13 months.

Having never read the Mothman Prophecies ,

. I can't fully coment on it's reliability or it's un-reliability . However my first impressions are that a blanket answer like this one is too simple and doesn't take into account the literally hundreds of different phenomena people have experienced over the centuries and all around the world.

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Maybe what we're experiencing as Ufos and the like, are really what our ancestors thought of as 'fairies' and 'gods' etc.

can't find the exact thread at the moment but just before you disapeared somewhere in the wilds of the U.K. there was a discussion on ancient sightings being discribed as flying crosses and such . Have you still got the references for that ? Because I believe alot of ancient sightings go unnoticed because back then people discribed them as things that where more relevant to there time . So inother words the U.F.O was not called a U.F.O. but a sign of impending doom like a burning cross in the sky ..
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P.S. I predict Halo's presence on this thread some time soon ..

Halo_Jones

Mar 18 2004, 11:05 AM

HeHe Kismit...Blimey! your prediction was spot on

.........Could you be Dum dum dummmmm!...The Mothman himself????
<lol>

Of course I always read LBs posts with great intrest.
But sorry mate I haven't read the book...but I did see the film

but this only added to my confusion about the phenomenon (ooh lovely word)
I will now be purchasing a copy of the book by (scrolls down to see author) John Keel and reading it directly.

I will return with my thoughts soon.

* Oh and LB...What the buggery were you doing up at 3.49am?

Kira

Mar 18 2004, 11:31 AM

lol Kismit strikes again...

I have seen the film but am doing some more research into this as I don't know enough about it to give an answer..

But I will when I have done some although it seems pretty plausible...

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Halo
* Oh and LB...What the buggery were you doing up at 3.49am?

Yup enquiring minds want to know...

Kismit

Mar 19 2004, 02:31 AM

I would be a foolish woman to take LB on in a discussion like this , but I guess I am foolish . Is it that you're sugesting aliens and ghosts are the same thing or is it that the two seperate phenomena are related .. ?

and what where you doing up at 3:49am ?

Halo my powers are improving , I bet right now your picturing LB in his purple tellytubby outfit

Loonboy

Mar 19 2004, 01:45 PM

Ah, ladies, it bewilders me to wonder why you are all interested in my tellytubby suit and of course what in blazes I was up to at 3:49am.... and unfortunately, my secrets are my own.

I will, however, say that it got pretty hot in there....

Anyway,

, back to the thread - I agree that it does seem pretty convenient to bundle a lot of different phenomena together and attribute a single explanation to it, but there is a convincing argument to the theory. Mr Keel reports on particular families witnessing strange lights in the sky, subsequent visits from MIBs, then later the families suffer poltergeist manifestations in their homes, strange telephone calls etc. If you consider that Ufos, poltergeists, MIB and other stuff as being all different and distinct things, then for one family to experience them all within a couple of weeks must be beating significant odds.

As for the thread on historical sightings of crosses and other aerial lights etc, I do remember it. Possibly, people project what they know and understand onto things that they witness - so in ancient times they saw 'crosses' and 'angels' etc, but rather in present times see 'spaceships' and whatnot. Or in the case of this argument, maybe whatever forces are at work behind the scenes (inter-dimensional possibly) are simply keeping up with the times and messing with our heads...

Good to see you again Halo, Celti & Kismit. Ah, I already feel at home..... Yayyy.

Tommy

Mar 19 2004, 05:47 PM

Hey Loon, well I haven’t read or seen the Mothman prophecies, but did attend a talk at Uncon 02 by Doug Skinner about the life and works of Keel, largely relating to the Mothman. http://www.geocities.com/laxaria/mothman08.html

Although I can’t remember most of what he spoke about, I think he attributed many of the other ‘paranormal related’ incidents as a case of Mothman-mania, and the town was rife with paranoia concerning anything out of the ordinary. (however they did have a serial killer on the loose at the time too so you can’t blame them!)

Loonboy

Mar 19 2004, 11:32 PM

I think a large proportion of the reported phenomena can be attributed to public hysteria, or at least 'on-the-bandwagon-ism', but not all the reports can be swept under the carpet in such a case.

Tommy

Mar 20 2004, 02:55 AM

Well as you say I think most, if not the whole case can be ascribed to mass hysteria, or to be more precise, ‘morphogenics’ (a term I heard while listening to the Fortean Crytozoologists last year)

Basically after investigating several sightings of cryptids last year, the CFZ came up with a theory along the lines of how the atmosphere of a certain place can trigger the basic instinct of fear within the subconscious, and that the fear then becomes personified to the person experiencing it. In effect projecting thought images which would obviously take on different forms to different people. In a way feeding off their own imagination.

To me this sounds more likely then UFO’s, aliens and the MIB all deciding to gather at Point Pleasant for a year.

Loonboy

Mar 20 2004, 09:58 PM

So basically you're p**sing on my chips?

I agree with that kind of theory to explain the Nessie sightings for example, in which a lot of folks are seeing something in the water and because of the reputation and other reports are thinking it's something pleisiosaurish (spelling?) .

But when you get a lot of different people seeing very different phenomena, and having very different encounters, then I'm not so sure...

Kismit

Mar 21 2004, 09:39 AM

Well I guess it all depends on what causes it . Using sleep paralissis as an example . SP experiences can range from Alien abduction to old hag .
So just maybe there is or more rightly was something that triggered all of the Mothman prophocies off . Something in the water maybe ..

Loonboy

Mar 22 2004, 08:47 PM

Something in the water? Yup I'd agree... the bridge...

Scorpius

Apr 4 2004, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (Loonboy @ Mar 15 2004, 01:27 PM)

I've been reading 'The Mothman Prophecies' by John Keel and he makes a point in that work about most paranormal phenomenon being manifestations of a greater single energy.

It's possible. But whose energy if this were the case? Possibly something evil...hmm...alien...

This explanation is kind of what I've thought of once. But a single energy doesn't really cut into the specifity list.

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Maybe what we're experiencing as Ufos and the like, are really what our ancestors thought of as 'fairies' and 'gods' etc.

Fairies. Hey that's a thought. Them fairies can play "trickseys" on us--"trickseys master".

I heard a story of a different type of "fairy" other than that of your normal winged fairy. One similar to us, but the distinct feature of an Aryan species, but fairy-wise.
The story comes from my dad's cousin who was supposedly missing for more than a week...and came back as healthy as ever and spoke of these fairies who lived in another realm with a portal in a tree.

I posted this story a couple of times...u can search it up.

So far I need more information...to provide a better explanation of this all.

Loonboy

Apr 5 2004, 09:57 PM

Well, the old stories about fairies have certain similarities to the modern alien reports:

Abduction: fairies used to take their captives to another dimension; aliens also have been reported to abduct.

Time distortion: when abductees were taken to the fairy realm, years would pass before they would return, and when they did, they were just as young as the day they left; aliens take abductees visiting their planets light years away and then the abductee returns within an hour or two when years should have passed.

Children: fairies had an unhealthy interest in children, taking them and replacing them with changelings who looked like the children, but were something altogether different; abductees report the snatching of foetuses.

Circles: fairy rings; Ufos are round (reaching, I know, but hey)

Underground cities: the little people were thought to inhabit worlds beneath our feet, in the very rocks of the earth; there are theories that alien bases exist in certain spots underground on the planet.

And I think that generally, getting back to this thread, a lot of paranormal phenomena might well be linked under the surface when they appear very different on top. I think, the more we understand science and the natural world, the more we will realise this.

Scorpius

Apr 6 2004, 12:21 AM

QUOTE (Loonboy @ Apr 5 2004, 04:57 PM)

Never heard of that theory or even thought about it. It's possible...

If aliens have been visiting earth for more than a century, who knows what technologies they possess.

We have hi-tech helicopters (choppers?) created to "cloak" itself from enemy radar. And image these obviously highly advanced species with their technologies, compared to them we may still be considered to be part of the "primitive" species category (except with toys) of the universe.

Anyway, it does sound more possible for these aliens to have an existing base here on earth. There are still many acres of virgin land in North America that are yet to be populated. However, recently reading an article on U-M homepage it demonstrated...*searching for exact topic, don't know where it went(wondering where I read this now

)*...

Well wherever that topic is, it spoke about an amateur film being taken of an alien spacecraft flying near their home...this even happened on several occasions and was first spotted by the father, who had seen this UFO behind a large hill, of this family. And I think seen by an RCMP/ranger (not sure if this is an American or Canadian report), who arrived at this family's area after hearing such a ridicules event.
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Aaah, here it is, it was actually just a post British Columbia, Canada, Dec 26th 2003, 11:30pm, Submitted by HBCC UFO

Loonboy

Apr 6 2004, 12:41 PM

The theory of an alien base here on Earth has been around for quite some time. I read a book about it 'Alien Base' by Timothy Good. It was interesting.

His theory is that there are certain areas on the planet which have more sightings of similar Ufos, which leads to the question 'why are there more here than somewhere else', which leads to the idea that maybe the reason for the increased sightings is that they are arriving and departing, as it were...

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