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DreamRebel
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stillcrazy
Interesting read. But I don't think it changes much in peoples views on the war.

The whole point is that we attacked a nation without solid evidence of WMD's and therefore became what we are vowing to fight.

I wish to live to be two hundred, that way I will know how history will treat this episode of war.
DreamRebel
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stillcrazy
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We knew had had them for 100% sure. We gave them to him ourselves and he used them on the Iranians and Kurds. The fear was he would distribute them to others and proliferate.


YUP! thumbsup.gif

But the problem was that we didn't keep count of what we gave him, subtract what he used against the Kurds and Iranians.

Regardless of what we did or didn't know, I think we should have had better intel.

The guy was a (Can't use the word I want) and needed to be removed. But It would have been a hellva lot better if we found a missle or two in the mean time to shore up our position.
DreamRebel
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aquatus1
Ultimately, history will look back and decide that this side killed several thousand of its own civilians, and the other side went in and rescued the remaining ones. Future Joe Shmoes will care about the details about Iraq as much as we care about the details of our old battles.

Personally, I'm glad that several terrorist groups now know that if anybody strikes at American civilians, America will not only destroy their country, they will destroy the country next to them as well.
Buddy_Hongster
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The guy was a (Can't use the word I want) and needed to be removed. But It would have been a hellva lot better if we found a missle or two in the mean time to shore up our position.



They did found a couple of planes buried in the sands of Iraq....will that shore up the position?? wink2.gif
stillcrazy
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They did found a couple of planes buried in the sands of Iraq....will that shore up the position??


Not really, It just proves there was a lack of hanger space in Iraq. Either that or Iraq had a real problem with training it's pilots wink2.gif

I still believe that IF Saddam had WMD's prior to the war. He either moved them out to syria or other nation with common goals, or they are very well buried.

But My belief in his not having them, but pretending to have them, knowing damn well we were going to attack anyway. He made Us and our allies look like the terrorist we are claiming to fight. Saddam knew he was going down. His press statements of making the desert turn red with allied blood is a statement of defience but false bravado. Whistling while walking through the graveyard.

To commit troops and resources without real substantial proof is in it's entirety very unreasonable and borders on dangerous. It adds more volatile fuel to a already hot fire.

Regardless of who provided the Intel, Isreal, U.K. U.S. or the tooth fairy it must be accurate.
Anytime innocent civilian lives, and the lives of our nations military's men and women are put in harms way, the Intel must be correct and verified. Without concrete information, and the ability to rely on that information, we are acting in a unlawful and terroristic manner. You cannot engage in a pre-emptive war based on faulty intel, or good intel that was used in a faulty manner, and expect no retaliation or bad press. It seems now that our intel wasn't what it should be, the powers that be are playing duck and cover as well as finger pointing.

History will tell.
Stamford
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Personally, I'm glad that several terrorist groups now know that if anybody strikes at American civilians, America will not only destroy their country, they will destroy the country next to them as well.


You're right, the War means that these terrorists will never again....er, wait a minute.....no, it's ok, I must of misheard the news, could have sworn these guys were still in operation...must have been static on the radio.

Wake up and smell the Fatwa. disgust.gif
wunarmdscissor
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Ultimately, history will look back and decide that this side killed several thousand of its own civilians, and the other side went in and rescued the remaining ones. Future Joe Shmoes will care about the details about Iraq as much as we care about the details of our old battles.

Personally, I'm glad that several terrorist groups now know that if anybody strikes at American civilians, America will not only destroy their country, they will destroy the country next to them as well.



So aquatis i take it you dont know about the little known wars of WW1 an WW2, the Vietnam War, The Korean War or even the Falklands WAr.

"Joe Shmoes" does care about what happened in past wars, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE NUREMBERG TRIALS??? Thats were all the bad men that helped and were part of the Nazi's got theyre comeuppance.

You see the world does care about the conduct of countries in both starting and during wars, a great deal in fact.......Why do people insist on talking about Iraq as if it is insignificant.

So its ok for you to destroy saudi arabia or turkey who just happen to be next to iraq an also our allies?????

Thats a great gung ho attitude to have it really is, its an attitude that just makes things worse not better.
Stamford
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"Joe Shmoes" does care about what happened in past wars, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE NUREMBERG TRIALS??? Thats were all the bad men that helped and were part of the Nazi's got theyre comeuppance.


Except the ones who worked on the V1 and V2 projects and were responsible for killing thousands of Brits, they got nice jobs at NASA.
wunarmdscissor
Yeah i know how convenient............no wait dont we hold the moral high ground anymore?
aquatus1
I'm not saying that we are covering up any details, I'm saying that the average person studying history (which would probably start at the high schools) isn't really interested in the details of it. Ask the average person for the reasons why we went to Vietnam or the Falklands. I would hazard that the great majority would not know.
Oh, and I never stated that the war would stop terrorism. My point is that countries, and their allies, which harbor terrorist will have to think carefully before attacking America again.
wunarmdscissor
1. in this country every schoolchild is taught history from primary school (kindergarten i think ).

2. It was only Britain who went to war with Argentina over the falklands.

3. If even one child in america doesnt know the reasons of the vietnam war then im afraid its a disgrace.

4. Iraq didnt harbour terrorists , it was because it supposodley had WMD's ,thats why we went to war .(originally I backed the war BTW)

The average person accross the globe does know the reasons why every major war over the last 100 years has been fought. The average person does care about our own soldiers and civilians on the other side.

I just didnt like your comments on that and especially the one were u said you were happy that the rest of the world should be afraid if they have a country NEXT to them that america deems an enemy.

Neway i dont really think that mossad would on purposley dupe america or britain, after all america funds and support israel far too much for it to jeapordise that
Stamford
I agree totally with you Wunarmdscissor (man that's a tough name to remember).

It is the US's gung-ho attitude that is seriously damaging relationships with the other Western Powers, not to mention the Islamic countries (I can already here some of our American cousins shouting "screw you limeys, we don't need anyone else...").

But the fact is, by learning about history we learn about the consequences of our actions and hopefully do not repeat the mistakes of the past (some hope).

Erikl
Yes and the Mossad did 9/11 and 3/11... please, give me a break would you??
Do people never get tired of inventing lies about Israel? What is it with you, that have to make of Israel such a devil? I just can't understand why do people hate Israel so much as to invent lies and believing anti-semitic propganda (the kind of "Jews rulling the world" stuff. Didn't you know that the Mossad actually rule the world? whistling2.gif ).
"Israel is a terrorist state"... "Israel is violating UN resolutions"... "Israel is a Nazi state"... man, this just makes me sick.
First it was the Nazis, than Communists, and now their surviving cousins - Socialists.
From where does your media get this stuff anyway? blink.gif
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