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Fell
The Skunk ape is located in Florida. If you are unfamiliar with this story, here is the link. Skunk Ape

I'm unsure what it could be, it could be and undiscovered ape, or something else, Post your opinions and/or more info. original.gif
Sweetpumper
Considering people aren't even sure black panthers are roaming around in areas where they shouldn't be, an unfamiliar ape wouldn't be a surprise.
Plainbob13
Also in Louisiana. Not to far outside New Orleans Is a place called honey island swamp. Also called the honey island swamp monster. I think someone made a really bad movie about it in the 70's.
Shankpin
mm. Those "photographs" of that skunk ape look more like paintings to me.. I think it's just the big foot swamp version.
Acta Non Verba
MQ did a show on this BUNCH O BULL to me heres my conflicting arguments here
First--Supposdley some men killed one but desrtoyed the boyd
Two-- Still seen today
And before you say kids or more than one i realise that and i find it hard to beilive they just wanted there own bigfoot is all.
psyche101
I am pretty convinced it is an escaped Orangutan.

As you can see it happens

Link

And a habitat is in the area

Link

And to be quite honest it looks just like an Orangutan.

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XSAS
I am not sure if the Skunk Ape is real or not but if I was a betting man, I would have to agree on psyche about that photo... I would say it is almost definately an Orangutan, I am not saying the Skunk Ape is an Orangutan but the culprit in that photo is?
psyche101
QUOTE (XSAS @ Sep 20 2008, 09:43 PM) *
I am not sure if the Skunk Ape is real or not but if I was a betting man, I would have to agree on psyche about that photo... I would say it is almost definately an Orangutan, I am not saying the Skunk Ape is an Orangutan but the culprit in that photo is?



The above is a cropped version of the best capture of the creature

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XSAS
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 20 2008, 01:02 PM) *
The above is a cropped version of the best capture of the creature

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Yes I have seen this before and to be honest, if I took that photo, I would be worried about the respnse I would get by releasing it as a piece of Skunk Ape evidence.. It shows clearly an Orangutan.. Photo's like this do nothing for the credability of a Cryptid?

Now I am going to make an home made Chip butty because I am hungry.. (with salt and Ketchup) washed down with a Beer.

Edited to add:Oooops slightly off topic?
psyche101
QUOTE (XSAS @ Sep 20 2008, 10:13 PM) *
Yes I have seen this before and to be honest, if I took that photo, I would be worried about the respnse I would get by releasing it as a piece of Skunk Ape evidence.. It shows clearly an Orangutan.. Photo's like this do nothing for the credability of a Cryptid?

Now I am going to make an home made Chip butty because I am hungry.. (with salt and Ketchup) washed down with a Beer.

Edited to add:Oooops slightly off topic?



Enjoy it! original.gif

I believe the lady who handed it in to the police thought it was an Orangutan and felt it might hurt somebody. More the public awareness as the angle rather than a cryptid.
makaya325
so we know for fact the skunk apes real! the answer: its an escaped ape. the skunk ape exists as an orangutan.

the everglades are pretty dense and swampy. its possible that some orangutans made their home hear. if you saw an orangutan in mud, it would look like a monster
XSAS
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Sep 20 2008, 04:08 PM) *
so we know for fact the skunk apes real! the answer: its an escaped ape. the skunk ape exists as an orangutan.

the everglades are pretty dense and swampy. its possible that some orangutans made their home hear. if you saw an orangutan in mud, it would look like a monster


No we don't know for fact that tha skunk ape is an Orangutan, I think the majority of us believe the culprit in that photo is an Orangutan. One photograph does not solve the mystery?
makaya325
someone who is inexperienced with great ape knowledge and observation, can easily mistake a large male orangutan for a skunk ape. some reports suggest it walks on all 4 most of the time. believe it or not, orangutans do not practive knuckle walking, yet they arent bipedal
makaya325
http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/...en-sasq-update/

sasquatch has been kidnapped!
DieChecker
I'm a believer in the Skunk Ape being an escaped Orangatan. Though some of the stories could be describing a chimp too.
psyche101
QUOTE (DieChecker @ Sep 22 2008, 11:13 AM) *
I'm a believer in the Skunk Ape being an escaped Orangatan. Though some of the stories could be describing a chimp too.



You just never know with the Center For Great Apes just over at Wauchula. Seems pretty central for good even dispersion.
pinOi32
a skunk ape? I dont even see how that could happen. :/
makaya325
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 22 2008, 03:50 AM) *
You just never know with the Center For Great Apes just over at Wauchula. Seems pretty central for good even dispersion.


i remember there was a hurricane and many animals escaped captivity. its reasonable that orangutans survived in the everglades, and imagine a mud covered orangutan- monster!
Darkwind
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 20 2008, 12:38 PM) *
I am pretty convinced it is an escaped Orangutan.

As you can see it happens

Link

And a habitat is in the area

Link

And to be quite honest it looks just like an Orangutan.

linked-image

I agree it is an escape Orangutan. I don't think there is a skunk ape.
makaya325
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Sep 22 2008, 11:46 PM) *
I agree it is an escape Orangutan. I don't think there is a skunk ape.


well of course their is a skunk ape. its an escaped orangutan, so therefore, it exists as an orangutan
DieChecker
That is his name. Skunk Ape.

Like, Smokey Bear. grin2.gif
Jennie 1
It's called skunk ape because it looks like an ape and smells like a skunk.
The most intriguing (to me) reports of bigfoot/sasquatch always report a foul smell associated with the creature. If a report doesn't mention the smell, then I usually discount it.
Southerners are more likely to create their own name for the creature than to adopt a name from another part of the country. wink2.gif
All of the first hand stories I've ever heard of an adult skunk ape described it as tall, 6 or 7 feet and standing or walking upright.
The smell is what they notice first and then they see something.

I'm very familiar with Honey Island Swamp, spent many summer hours in there as a kid poling my pero through the cypress trees, I never heard a skunk ape story until I moved to south Alabama/ north Florida.
The Honey Island Swamp monster stories that I always heard, as a warning, when I was a child, involved a lizard-like creature. Or they'd tell us the stories of giant rats that lived out there, nutria, of course rolleyes.gif !

I'm certainly not saying that these skunk ape's don't fall into psyche 101's theory of orangutans (or other apes) escaped from a facility somewhere, maybe that's all it is. wink2.gif But the first hand accounts that I've heard predate that particular facility's (or any others in this area) establishment.They go back as far as 1914.
Kar-zid
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 20 2008, 10:02 PM) *
The above is a cropped version of the best capture of the creature

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You know that's not the only picture of the supposed skunk ape, here are all the ones i have found:

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isis-999
There are so many report's of different type's of BF all over the world you have to wonder, This might just be another type?... hmm.gif
Jennie 1
QUOTE (isis-999 @ Sep 22 2008, 10:57 PM) *
There are so many report's of different type's of BF all over the world you have to wonder, This might just be another type?... hmm.gif


Maybe.
I don't think it's another type myself, I think it's the same thing as the Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti etc.... only in a different part of the world. grin2.gif
psyche101
QUOTE (Kar-zid @ Sep 23 2008, 01:56 PM) *
You know that's not the only picture of the supposed skunk ape, here are all the ones i have found:

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Yes I do know of them, but felt the offered pic was the clearest and pertained to my post. But thanks for the other angles ! thumbsup.gif
psyche101
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Sep 23 2008, 01:49 PM) *
Or they'd tell us the stories of giant rats that lived out there, nutria, of course rolleyes.gif !

I'm certainly not saying that these skunk ape's don't fall into psyche 101's theory of orangutans (or other apes) escaped from a facility somewhere, maybe that's all it is. wink2.gif But the first hand accounts that I've heard predate that particular facility's (or any others in this area) establishment.They go back as far as 1914.


Time travelling Biff with an Astral surfboard maybe? I thought I was wrong about something once. Turns out I was mistaken laugh.gif



Giant Rats from the fire swamp?

As you wish original.gif
psyche101
QUOTE (isis-999 @ Sep 23 2008, 01:57 PM) *
There are so many report's of different type's of BF all over the world you have to wonder, This might just be another type?... hmm.gif



I think therin lies the answer thumbsup.gif

Many things to make one monster.......
Kar-zid
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 23 2008, 02:28 PM) *
Yes I do know of them, but felt the offered pic was the clearest and pertained to my post. But thanks for the other angles ! thumbsup.gif


No problem. happy.gif I agree, that is the clearest angle. happy.gif
Kar-zid
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 23 2008, 02:33 PM) *
I think therin lies the answer thumbsup.gif

Many things to make one monster.......


One monster creates many nightmares. thumbsup.gif
makaya325
psyche is the only skeptic i respect here.
Nxt2Hvn
Ahhhh..... the good ol' Skunk Ape ....

The whole reason I ended up on UM in the first place..... the memories! cool.gif
DieChecker
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 22 2008, 09:31 PM) *
Time travelling Biff with an Astral surfboard maybe?

Didn't they have something like that on a Captain Planet episode? grin2.gif

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Giant Rats from the fire swamp?

Rodents of Unusual Size. RoUSs.
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Jennie 1
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 22 2008, 11:31 PM) *
Time travelling Biff with an Astral surfboard maybe?

grin2.gif Maybe. It makes more sense than an escaped orangutan or other ape being the source for every skunk ape sighting from south Florida to Tennessee. There would have to be quite a few escapees out there for that to be true IMO. We would have found an identifiable carcass by now if that were the case, don't you think? wink2.gif



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Giant Rats from the fire swamp?

As you wish original.gif

They're actually kind of cute and delicious if they're cooked right.JK! original.gif
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psyche101
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Sep 24 2008, 01:34 PM) *
grin2.gif Maybe. It makes more sense than an escaped orangutan or other ape being the source for every skunk ape sighting from south Florida to Tennessee. There would have to be quite a few escapees out there for that to be true IMO. We would have found an identifiable carcass by now if that were the case, don't you think? wink2.gif


Sorry if I sounded snarky, I really like your posts.
I dont know - there is a primate facility in the area, and there have been several escapes over the decades. If one animal was to escape every few years, it would not make an impact on the food chain, would have it's carcass quickly removed in that temperature by scavengers, and it has to compete with gators and the like, so some will likely even end up food.
Some definitey have escaped, so we do have a precedent. Zoo's would be along that stretch you mention, as well as the primate centre in Wauchula.
That picture I would say explains at least one skunk ape.

QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Sep 24 2008, 01:34 PM) *
They're actually kind of cute and delicious if they're cooked right.JK! original.gif
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Is that what American sitcoms call vittles?

Sorry, my reply may have been somewhat cryptic, I stole some lines from The Princess Bride (not sure why, I thought Nutria was where the wizard lived) referring to, as Diechecker said - Rodents of unusual size original.gif

I just love that movie. I never get sick of it! Must have seen it a dozen times.
psyche101
QUOTE (DieChecker @ Sep 24 2008, 08:01 AM) *
Didn't they have something like that on a Captain Planet episode? grin2.gif


Rodents of Unusual Size. RoUSs.
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original.gif Isn't that just a great movie! Arggghhh The Dread Pirate Roberts!!!!!!!!
psyche101
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Sep 24 2008, 06:55 AM) *
psyche is the only skeptic i respect here.



Thank you very much for the vote my friend.

But we all help each other in different ways. I find all views let one have a real good look wink2.gif I probably get a little more sleep than grumpier skeptics is all LOL.

We need both the skeptics and the believers for this field to work thumbsup.gif
makaya325
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 25 2008, 02:46 AM) *
Thank you very much for the vote my friend.

But we all help each other in different ways. I find all views let one have a real good look wink2.gif I probably get a little more sleep than grumpier skeptics is all LOL.

We need both the skeptics and the believers for this field to work thumbsup.gif


agreed, theirs nothing more that bothers me than having a room full of true believers or a room full of debunkers. im skeptical and i do question reports, but i do have a gut feeling that my grandpa was right about the hairy man roaming the most remote regions of earth.

alaska is pretty unexplored, correct?
GrayTone
If it is an orangutan, it's doubtful it escaped from the Center for Great Apes, which didn't open until '93.
makaya325
QUOTE (GrayTone @ Sep 25 2008, 09:08 PM) *
If it is an orangutan, it's doubtful it escaped from the Center for Great Apes, which didn't open until '93.


funny thing, most sightings of "skunk ape" came after 93, which leads me to believe that a large orangutan escaped, rolled in mud, and people started mistakening it for a skunk ape.
GrayTone
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Sep 26 2008, 02:50 AM) *
funny thing, most sightings of "skunk ape" came after 93, which leads me to believe that a large orangutan escaped, rolled in mud, and people started mistakening it for a skunk ape.

That doesn't account for any sightings before '93, which were quite numerous.

These are just a few, and you'll notice many of them mention the smell
http://home.clara.net/rfthomas/cb/fl.html
makaya325
QUOTE (GrayTone @ Sep 25 2008, 11:39 PM) *
That doesn't account for any sightings before '93, which were quite numerous.

These are just a few, and you'll notice many of them mention the smell
http://home.clara.net/rfthomas/cb/fl.html


interesting

i can believe an extant homind coming over here settling in the remote areas of the nw, but it stretching to florida is a stretch. if it migrated towards florida, would not it been observed more by settlers? its likely ur dealing with orangutans and exxagerations. bigfoot is the original king, all the others are mere copycats
Jennie 1
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 24 2008, 09:38 PM) *
Sorry if I sounded snarky, I really like your posts.
I dont know - there is a primate facility in the area, and there have been several escapes over the decades. If one animal was to escape every few years, it would not make an impact on the food chain, would have it's carcass quickly removed in that temperature by scavengers, and it has to compete with gators and the like, so some will likely even end up food.
Some definitey have escaped, so we do have a precedent. Zoo's would be along that stretch you mention, as well as the primate centre in Wauchula.

That picture I would say explains at least one skunk ape.


I certainly agree that the woman's picture is an orangutan, probably escaped from that particular facility. (We've had that conversation grin2.gif ) and she herself said it was an orangutan in her original calls to police.
My point was, that there would have to be an awful lot of escaped animals out there, even if say.... 5% of the reported sightings were true. That doesn't include the unreported sightings which there's no way to even measure, but I know I've heard maybe 20 or so(that I believed) and none of them were "officially reported" anywhere to anyone. (Except to me, and I don't count)
I don't think that a large number of escapes go unreported. I did look into it and couldn't find very many that were reported so I don't know about that.
There are quite a few zoo's in the southeast US, but they, for the most part, have been opened in the last 30 or 40 years. Dam! now I gotta go look up all of that info! original.gif I still don't think it explains the number of sightings or the huge area involved. It's not just Florida that I'm talking about.

You do realize that your explanation for why these escaped apes remains are not found, is quite similar to the explanation given by believers for why Biff's remains are not found? (Just thought I'd point that out) wink2.gif
I didn't think you were being snarky, this is all in good fun, as far as I'm concerned.
A friend of mine, who has lived on his property for 71 years, recently told me, (while we were discussing my recent run in with a panther and the screams that they make), that he has heard something unusual making sounds at the creek behind his house at night, for the last 15 years or so. He says it's not a panther or an owl and he's "darned if he knows what the heck it is". I'll be checking it out, when the mosquitoes die off. I just can't mention skunk ape or bigfoot to him or he'd think I was nutty. laugh.gif


QUOTE
Is that what American sitcoms call vittles?

Sorry, my reply may have been somewhat cryptic, I stole some lines from The Princess Bride (not sure why, I thought Nutria was where the wizard lived) referring to, as Diechecker said - Rodents of unusual size original.gif

I just love that movie. I never get sick of it! Must have seen it a dozen times.


I can't believe I missed that reference, I've only seen the movie um...748 times. rofl.gif
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you kill my father, prepare to die!" LOL!
psyche101
QUOTE (GrayTone @ Sep 26 2008, 08:39 AM) *
That doesn't account for any sightings before '93, which were quite numerous.

These are just a few, and you'll notice many of them mention the smell
http://home.clara.net/rfthomas/cb/fl.html



Hmmmmrzzzz

2 reports mention a smell.

I feel there is little doubt that the supplied picture is indeed an Orangutan. I feel this sets a precedent and concludes at least some reports do belong to this particular escaped primate. Primates heve been imported to the US scince at least 1906 for the Think Tank Orangutan speech project at Washignton, which just happens to be anothe Biff hotspot? With all this in mind, escaped Apes do not seem a far stretch? Orangutans seems to escape frequently as a quick Google will show.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3 (check out Ken Allen)

There seems to be an awful lot in the 70's, it would be interesting to see an import record, Orangutan's are very popular as pets when young. The US only banned imports of Orangutans about 4 years ago.
Also, Orangutans do live for about 40 years in th wild. Ths picture does look like a full grown animal?

No doubt an answer will be forthcoming soon considering the rate at which the Everglades are being developed.

Probably not an Orangutan in every case, but I feel every case has a more down to earth explaination than a smelly Biff.
Jennie 1
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Sep 25 2008, 04:50 PM) *
funny thing, most sightings of "skunk ape" came after 93, which leads me to believe that a large orangutan escaped, rolled in mud, and people started mistakening it for a skunk ape.


Most sightings of the skunk ape reported on the internet came after '93.

QUOTE
interesting

i can believe an extant homind coming over here settling in the remote areas of the nw, but it stretching to florida is a stretch. if it migrated towards florida, would not it been observed more by settlers? its likely ur dealing with orangutans and exxagerations. bigfoot is the original king, all the others are mere copycats


Since bigfoot is not proven to exist, how do we assume a migration pattern for it? Who says the settlers didn't see it?
More importantly, if it did exist in North America, wouldn't the Native Americans know and tell stories about it? Oh wait, they do. wink2.gif
Aanica
QUOTE (Paranormal spy @ Sep 19 2008, 07:42 PM) *
The Skunk ape is located in Florida. If you are unfamiliar with this story, here is the link. Skunk Ape

I'm unsure what it could be, it could be and undiscovered ape, or something else, Post your opinions and/or more info. original.gif

I think its bigfoot , just a smelly one because of the wet lands it lives in..
psyche101
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Sep 26 2008, 01:57 PM) *
I certainly agree that the woman's picture is an orangutan, probably escaped from that particular facility. (We've had that conversation grin2.gif ) and she herself said it was an orangutan in her original calls to police.
My point was, that there would have to be an awful lot of escaped animals out there, even if say.... 5% of the reported sightings were true. That doesn't include the unreported sightings which there's no way to even measure, but I know I've heard maybe 20 or so(that I believed) and none of them were "officially reported" anywhere to anyone. (Except to me, and I don't count)
I don't think that a large number of escapes go unreported. I did look into it and couldn't find very many that were reported so I don't know about that.
There are quite a few zoo's in the southeast US, but they, for the most part, have been opened in the last 30 or 40 years. Dam! now I gotta go look up all of that info! original.gif I still don't think it explains the number of sightings or the huge area involved. It's not just Florida that I'm talking about.

You do realize that your explanation for why these escaped apes remains are not found, is quite similar to the explanation given by believers for why Biff's remains are not found? (Just thought I'd point that out) wink2.gif
I didn't think you were being snarky, this is all in good fun, as far as I'm concerned.
A friend of mine, who has lived on his property for 71 years, recently told me, (while we were discussing my recent run in with a panther and the screams that they make), that he has heard something unusual making sounds at the creek behind his house at night, for the last 15 years or so. He says it's not a panther or an owl and he's "darned if he knows what the heck it is". I'll be checking it out, when the mosquitoes die off. I just can't mention skunk ape or bigfoot to him or he'd think I was nutty. laugh.gif


Thanks. I should have known you know how to take me original.gif I can be a bit of a handful at times I hear.....

Sorry, I forgot we had discussed this.......so many threads...so many members... wacko.gif

There would not have to be that many animals according to the link provided by Grey Tone. Not sure if it is a complete record of sightings but it shows
1 x sighting in 1940's
1 x sighting 1950's
9 x sighting in the 60's
30 remaining sightings in 1970's. (3 a year? - @ 5% that's .15% of truth? laugh.gif JK )

Before 1970 the sightings are so few they could easily be misinterpretation. The 70's must have an answer. Why such an increase? Once again, I feel import records may hold this key. If we had such an increase in sightings over this period, one could only surmise a population on the build - yet the current status of the Skunk Ape seems to be the opposite? Going by those figures we should be tripping over them by now?
The reason scavangers could work for escaped Orangutans is escapees do not represent a viable population. Maybe a dozen animals at best that would not have the genetic viability to populate as a species. Unless escapees continue to do their thing, the Skunk Ape will certainly die out. More of a comparison to an ABC than a Biff population, and I took into account the population of Alligators in the swap. I read a horrendous story not all that long ago of some creep that threw a little girl to the gators and they ate her. I figure if he was that confident they would eat her (alive apprently, how inhuman of the slime) there must be quite a vigorous population present. So we have an abundant group of hungry scavengers ever present. Unlike the PNW.

I will be looking forward to a report on your friends property original.gif

QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Sep 26 2008, 01:57 PM) *
I can't believe I missed that reference, I've only seen the movie um...748 times. rofl.gif
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you kill my father, prepare to die!" LOL!


original.gif
Count Rugen: Stop saying that!

It has to be one of the best movies of all time. Fezzik is just a classic.

The wizard cracks me up too.
He's just mostly dead.

Cryptids! Rodents of unusual size (which are just a myth), Giants and shrieking Eels. That movie just has everything yes.gif
psyche101
QUOTE (Aanica @ Sep 26 2008, 03:07 PM) *
I think its bigfoot , just a smelly one because of the wet lands it lives in..




It's a smelly large creature that does not exist?
psyche101
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Sep 26 2008, 02:04 PM) *
Since bigfoot is not proven to exist, how do we assume a migration pattern for it? Who says the settlers didn't see it?


Looks a long way to walk on a map. I think he has a valid point to be honest.

QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Sep 26 2008, 02:04 PM) *
More importantly, if it did exist in North America, wouldn't the Native Americans know and tell stories about it? Oh wait, they do. wink2.gif


But every precedent like the Panda, Ape, Okapi etc. the natives could also offer hides, teeth, bones etc. And expedite them to a location to find the beast.

I do not know American heritage very well, but the heavy spirit connection make me think of Indigenous Australian dreamtime stories?
GrayTone
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 26 2008, 07:58 AM) *
Hmmmmrzzzz

2 reports mention a smell.

I feel there is little doubt that the supplied picture is indeed an Orangutan. I feel this sets a precedent and concludes at least some reports do belong to this particular escaped primate. Primates heve been imported to the US scince at least 1906 for the Think Tank Orangutan speech project at Washignton, which just happens to be anothe Biff hotspot? With all this in mind, escaped Apes do not seem a far stretch? Orangutans seems to escape frequently as a quick Google will show.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3 (check out Ken Allen)

There seems to be an awful lot in the 70's, it would be interesting to see an import record, Orangutan's are very popular as pets when young. The US only banned imports of Orangutans about 4 years ago.
Also, Orangutans do live for about 40 years in th wild. Ths picture does look like a full grown animal?

No doubt an answer will be forthcoming soon considering the rate at which the Everglades are being developed.

Probably not an Orangutan in every case, but I feel every case has a more down to earth explaination than a smelly Biff.

I'm all for the Orangutan theory, I was just saying it was doubtful to have came from the one ape center. yes.gif
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