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jakeman
I have always been interested in cryptozoology but yet I really I have to wonder is there any real money to be earned in the trade. It's obvious that these people that hunt for bigfoot, the lochness monster Ect. on t.v. get paid. Because thats their job on T.V. but I want to know, is there a degree that you have to earn (or is it just a brach of of zoology), can you earn a living on it (or do you have to find something to get the mula) so this is just some things I have been wondering. Though I Read a article that there is a degree to be earned. Though it has more to do with folk legend, tribal stories, so are we just studying stories (though I beleive there is something out there such as bigfoot) or are we trying to crack the truth. So anyone have an idea if there is a degree to be earned what university or college can you get certified................
DieChecker
Can someone have a career as a Cryptozoologist? I'd say sure. There may not be many openings locally however. It is a job that a person first must become a skilled zoologist , anthropologist or biologist, so that you can understand the creatures you will be investigating from the view of Nature and Science. I'd recommend a Masters so that people will take you seriously.

If by the time you have you Masters degree and you still want to to follow the path of the Cryptozoologist, then you will have to painstakingly build up a reputation as something other then a total kook. Then you'll have to start you own buisiness and live a life of poverty until you make some kind of discovery or find evidence of a cryptobeast.

This is not a life for the faint of heart and not to be entered lightly. It is a life of poverty mostly, and probably one filled with bad tabloids, bad talk shows and being pursued by people trying to push fraud and fakes on you.

But, yes it is possible.
Slave2Fate
cryptozoology isn't really it's own science, it's more of an off-shoot of zoology. On top of that it isn't usually held in high regard by the rest of the scientific community. So as DieChecker suggested, it would be better to get started as a zoologist first, then make a move into the crypto field. The more work you do in zoology the more credibility you would have as a cryptozoologist. (although not necessarily happy.gif) Other than that, I think DieChecker covered it pretty well. thumbsup.gif
makaya325
cryptozoology is not a study, but a modern day investigation to find the truth behind "modern day mysteries". we cant study unknown animals if we dont know theyre there!
rosenrot
DieChecker hit the nail on the head with his explanation, but I would like to add my two cents. There is also money to be made in cryptozoology from writing books (although how much I can't be sure of). So why not get a degree in zoology, biology, anthropology, archeology or some other biological field and keep cryptozoology as a hobby. In your free time do research on the cryptids that interest you most and write books on them. Given your scientific background, hopefully you would be respected. Maybe you would even be asked to go along on an expedition, but keep in mind, you would have to be very respected and well-known in order to do that. Whatever you do, I wish you the best.
psyche101
It is possible as long as you have no problem with not eating for quite a few years.

It would be immensley advantagous to have someone like Sir David Attenborough for a Dad.
Pavot
A Friend of mine that is a Cryptozoologist, was doing very well, and liking it, until he came upon this one Cattle Mutilation, whatever happed that evening, he and his friends quit the interest and will not speak of the incident, now he has other interests...

Pavot cool.gif
newbloodmoon
there was at one time a class you could take at Oregon State University on Cryptozoology but it was offered through the biology department. Whether that class is still up for the taking I don't know but I seem to think that it might be.

If you live in the Oregon area one might look into possibly taking classes. Of course, taking classes is going to cost you money before you can start making money. I would suggest finding a reputable group in your area that researches whatever cryptid(s) that lives in your area and join them. I know of some groups that charge a fee to take you out for 2 weeks at a time. This money helps foot the bill as far as fuel costs, equipment, food, overall transportation. But with all things, research, research, research so you don't get swindled out of your hard earned money.
aquatus1
You can make a career and be a professional at anything that anyone is willing to pay for. The thing is that very few people are interested in investing in something with such a terrible record of performance as cryptozoology.
makaya325
QUOTE (aquatus1 @ Sep 25 2008, 01:16 PM) *
You can make a career and be a professional at anything that anyone is willing to pay for. The thing is that very few people are interested in investing in something with such a terrible record of performance as cryptozoology.


pranksters and tabloids need to stop it to make cryptozoology legititmate. its not exactly a science, but more of a safari, exploring regions.
Undeadskeptic
Of course you can be a cryptozoologist. It's very easy to do fraud for a living.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 26 2008, 01:43 AM) *
Of course you can be a cryptozoologist. It's very easy to do fraud for a living.


so coleman, meldrum, kirk are all frauds? they aint frauds buddy

popoff is a fraud, cryptozoology is the INVESTIGATION, not claim, of undiscovered animals
heavensblade23
Sure, but the reality isn't as exciting as you think. Think 'less bigfoot research, more going to remote regions to look for as-yet-undescribed species of mammals'
makaya325
QUOTE (heavensblade23 @ Sep 26 2008, 01:11 AM) *
Sure, but the reality isn't as exciting as you think. Think 'less bigfoot research, more going to remote regions to look for as-yet-undescribed species of mammals'


less bf research means no bf finds. we have no serious bf research. bfro is the only ones looking, and their laughable.
Copasetic
QUOTE (jakeman @ Sep 23 2008, 05:53 PM) *
I have always been interested in cryptozoology but yet I really I have to wonder is there any real money to be earned in the trade. It's obvious that these people that hunt for bigfoot, the lochness monster Ect. on t.v. get paid. Because thats their job on T.V. but I want to know, is there a degree that you have to earn (or is it just a brach of of zoology), can you earn a living on it (or do you have to find something to get the mula) so this is just some things I have been wondering. Though I Read a article that there is a degree to be earned. Though it has more to do with folk legend, tribal stories, so are we just studying stories (though I beleive there is something out there such as bigfoot) or are we trying to crack the truth. So anyone have an idea if there is a degree to be earned what university or college can you get certified................



As a biologist I've never heard of a cryptozoologist before nor a degree in such a thing.

Wiki has a nice point:

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Discoveries of previously unknown animals are often subject to great attention, but cryptozoology per se has seen relatively little interest from mainstream scientists. As historian Mike Dash[8] notes, few scientists doubt there are thousands of unknown animals, particularly invertebrates, awaiting discovery. However, as Dash notes, cryptozoologists are largely uninterested in researching and cataloguing newly-discovered species of ants or beetles, instead focusing their efforts towards "more elusive" creatures that have often defied decades of work aimed at confirming their existence.

The majority of mainstream criticism of cryptozoology is directed towards the search for megafauna cryptids such as Bigfoot, the Yeren, and the Loch Ness Monster which appear often in popular culture, but for which there is little or no scientific support. Scientists argue that mega-fauna cryptids are unlikely to exist undetected in great enough numbers to maintain a breeding population,[9] and are unlikely to be able to survive in their reported habitats due to issues of climate and food supply.[10]

As such, cryptozoology has never been embraced by the scientific community. Most experts on the matter consider the Bigfoot legend to be a combination of folklore and hoaxes,[11] and cryptozoology is considered to be a pseudoscience by mainstream zoologists and biologists.[12][13] Noted objections to cryptozoology include unreliable eyewitness accounts, lack of scientific and physical evidence, and over-reliance on confirmation (confirmation bias) rather than refutation.[11]


I'd say if you are really interested in going to school to "search" for megafauna like Footy, then I would say double major in Zoology and Ecology or Zoology and Genetics (heavy emphasis on population genetics). Get a masters for sure, good luck getting project funding on a master's degree though. If you want funding for your work and a place to work PhD is the only way to go. Otherwise you end running someones research projects for them (not that there is anything wrong with that if that is what you want to do).

Then as a side interest pursue your interests in cryptids.
makaya325
QUOTE (Copasetic @ Sep 26 2008, 07:51 PM) *
As a biologist I've never heard of a cryptozoologist before nor a degree in such a thing.

Wiki has a nice point:



I'd say if you are really interested in going to school to "search" for megafauna like Footy, then I would say double major in Zoology and Ecology or Zoology and Genetics (heavy emphasis on population genetics). Get a masters for sure, good luck getting project funding on a master's degree though. If you want funding for your work and a place to work PhD is the only way to go. Otherwise you end running someones research projects for them (not that there is anything wrong with that if that is what you want to do).


T
hen as a side interest pursue your interests in cryptids.


ur pretty damn smart for sure. r u open minded bout cryptids.
Mattshark
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Sep 25 2008, 03:28 AM) *
It is possible as long as you have no problem with not eating for quite a few years.

It would be immensley advantagous to have someone like Sir David Attenborough for a Dad.

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Copasetic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Sep 26 2008, 04:00 PM) *
ur pretty damn smart for sure. r u open minded bout cryptids.



There are hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of undiscovered species. Of that I am sure. I tend to think most of those chased by cryptozoologists though are likely unreal. I have no doubt that people see things, people see lots of things. People see God, People see Aliens, People see Spaceships, People see angles and devils and all sorts of bizarre things.

People also don't like not knowing what they see, it is an ingrained part of the human psyche. I have, in my lifetime, never met someone who enjoys not knowing something. Because of this, I think we often see that which we want to see, or believe to see. I also think what others claim to see, plays in important role in what we see. I think the overwhelming majority of large fauna cryptid cases are due to misidentification, hoaxes/pranks/jokes and social lore.

The very small percent of cases that seem to be "real" never really turn up any conclusive evidence that we can work with. Which makes it hard to study something and why many other scientist do not consider cryptozoology a science (remember science is a methodological study of our world). So while eyewitness accounts and folk stories are a fine thing to study, they fall more under the realm of the humanities than the natural sciences.
makaya325
QUOTE (Copasetic @ Sep 26 2008, 08:25 PM) *
There are hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of undiscovered species. Of that I am sure. I tend to think most of those chased by cryptozoologists though are likely unreal. I have no doubt that people see things, people see lots of things. People see God, People see Aliens, People see Spaceships, People see angles and devils and all sorts of bizarre things.

People also don't like not knowing what they see, it is an ingrained part of the human psyche. I have, in my lifetime, never met someone who enjoys not knowing something. Because of this, I think we often see that which we want to see, or believe to see. I also think what others claim to see, plays in important role in what we see. I think the overwhelming majority of large fauna cryptid cases are due to misidentification, hoaxes/pranks/jokes and social lore.

well i tend to have a system of number of mistaken identities:

lake monsters: otters, wood/logs, waves, seiches, birds, seals eels, mirage, reflections, moose, boats, subs, canoes,

bigfoot: umm, none( ive seen a suited person from at least a couple of hundred yards away!. without binoculars too. eyewitnesses may be unreliable SOMETIMES, but you should use them to lead to discovery


The very small percent of cases that seem to be "real" never really turn up any conclusive evidence that we can work with. Which makes it hard to study something and why many other scientist do not consider cryptozoology a science (remember science is a methodological study of our world). So while eyewitness accounts and folk stories are a fine thing to study, they fall more under the realm of the humanities than the natural sciences.

{..AmY..}
I belive you can become a cryptozoologist...as a proffesion. Anyone who studies cryptozoology is a cryptozoologist...but few take it to a proffesion. Cryptozoology doesn't have much pay involved in it. In britain...there are only 4 profesional cryptozoologists. There are many amatures in the world of cryptozoology, though. I suppose if you tried and worked hard then i suppose you could just be rolling in it. I mean...in todays world ANYTHING is possible

I don't know if i'm right but...i hope it might help.

Thanks,
Amy
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Sep 26 2008, 01:51 PM) *
so coleman, meldrum, kirk are all frauds? they aint frauds buddy


Yes. They are. I refuse to believe that they even exist. I reckon they were made up by internet junkies to support Cryptids existence. Prove they exist.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 28 2008, 08:45 PM) *
Yes. They are. I refuse to believe that they even exist. I reckon they were made up by internet junkies to support Cryptids existence. Prove they exist.


prove what exists? cryptzoologists? thats to easy i can say their names

loren coleman
john kirk
craig woolheater
sarmiento


cryptozoology wasnt coined on the internet.




hey genius

coleman, kirk and others dont say "cryptids must exist. instead all they do is report articles and come up with new theories, and view cryptozoology as a hobby of theirs, not a full time job

DieChecker
Um. The above mentioned people actually exist. I've seen them on TV and had no reason to believe that they themselves were fake.

You may as well believe the world is all illusion and check yourself into a Buddist temple to become a monk.
makaya325
QUOTE (DieChecker @ Sep 29 2008, 01:34 AM) *
Um. The above mentioned people actually exist. I've seen them on TV and had no reason to believe that they themselves were fake.

biscardi is an example of fraud. coleman is an example of a true cryptozoologist, who doesnt take things for what they are, and tries to dissect the sightings and come up with explanations

You may as well believe the world is all illusion and check yourself into a Buddist temple to become a monk.

The Chupacabra King
QUOTE (DieChecker @ Sep 28 2008, 09:34 PM) *
Um. The above mentioned people actually exist. I've seen them on TV and had no reason to believe that they themselves were fake.

You may as well believe the world is all illusion and check yourself into a Buddist temple to become a monk.


Why not just jump on the train headin' for Epic Fail?

It's extremely hard to prove the existence of wild cryptozoologists. Very little is known about their true habitats and/or diets, but in recent years, sightings of the elusive Size-14 Cryptozoologist have begun to appear all over the world. Many footprints, one body cast, and thousands of blurry images have been taken, yet there has been no true physical evidence into the existence of these docile creatures. The S14CRO, or the Size-14 Cryptozoologist Research Organization, has been working non-stop to save this endangered species from its over-populated predators, the Size-4 Skeptics. These wolf-like creatures travel in great numbers, herding cryptozoologists into a massive circle before pouncing on them in surprise. The skeptic is truly a rare specimen, as they do not have a single bone in their body. Instead, they have layers of cartilage supporting the muscle tissue, allowing them to travel faster and to jump higher than normal wolves. The famed cryptozologist of legend has yet another predator to watch out for: The Fraud-making Lying-cheating Police Officer and Buddy Who Planned to Fool Us All But Got Pummeled to Near Death by The Truth.
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Sep 29 2008, 10:12 AM) *
prove what exists? cryptzoologists? thats to easy i can say their names

loren coleman
john kirk
craig woolheater
sarmiento


cryptozoology wasnt coined on the internet.




hey genius

coleman, kirk and others dont say "cryptids must exist. instead all they do is report articles and come up with new theories, and view cryptozoology as a hobby of theirs, not a full time job


nup. im not falling for it. they dont exist. they dont exist. and that's final.

show me a photo of all those people. i know you cant.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 30 2008, 12:04 PM) *
nup. im not falling for it. they dont exist. they dont exist. and that's final.

show me a photo of all those people. i know you cant.


http://redpill.dailygrail.com/mediawiki/im...orenColeman.jpg

there ya go!
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 1 2008, 04:42 AM) *


obviously photoshop.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 30 2008, 08:52 PM) *
obviously photoshop.


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Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 1 2008, 09:54 AM) *
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you are lost for words. my argument is flawless. i am victorious. cryptozoologists aren't real.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 30 2008, 08:59 PM) *
you are lost for words. my argument is flawless. i am victorious. cryptozoologists aren't real.


what do u want from me? colemans scat? meldrums mustache?
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 1 2008, 10:06 AM) *
what do u want from me? colemans scat? meldrums mustache?


No. too easy to fake. a blood sample, video footage and, oh, i dont know, prehaps you could actually bring them to me if you're so sure they exist!
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 30 2008, 09:10 PM) *
No. too easy to fake. a blood sample, video footage and, oh, i dont know, prehaps you could actually bring them to me if you're so sure they exist!


well on the history channel, sasquatch was interviewed concerning cryptozoologists existence

sasquatch: even though their are reports, why havent we found any good proof by now? well humans are very hard to find, and given the fact no sasquatchs are looking for them, we arent going to find proof. what we need is a full scale expedition to look for these so called "cryptozoologists".

champ, on the other hand, disagrees

champ: cryptozoologists are in the same category as free gasoline, al gore, chuck norris, theyre all fun to believe, but the evidence is not convincing
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 1 2008, 10:40 AM) *
well on the history channel, sasquatch was interviewed concerning cryptozoologists existence

sasquatch: even though their are reports, why havent we found any good proof by now? well humans are very hard to find, and given the fact no sasquatchs are looking for them, we arent going to find proof. what we need is a full scale expedition to look for these so called "cryptozoologists".

champ, on the other hand, disagrees

champ: cryptozoologists are in the same category as free gasoline, al gore, chuck norris, theyre all fun to believe, but the evidence is not convincing


Thank you for that. The evidence really just speaks for itself.
Aanica
QUOTE (DieChecker @ Sep 23 2008, 04:12 PM) *
Can someone have a career as a Cryptozoologist? I'd say sure. There may not be many openings locally however. It is a job that a person first must become a skilled zoologist , anthropologist or biologist, so that you can understand the creatures you will be investigating from the view of Nature and Science. I'd recommend a Masters so that people will take you seriously.

If by the time you have you Masters degree and you still want to to follow the path of the Cryptozoologist, then you will have to painstakingly build up a reputation as something other then a total kook. Then you'll have to start you own buisiness and live a life of poverty until you make some kind of discovery or find evidence of a cryptobeast.

This is not a life for the faint of heart and not to be entered lightly. It is a life of poverty mostly, and probably one filled with bad tabloids, bad talk shows and being pursued by people trying to push fraud and fakes on you.

But, yes it is possible.
I would say that about sums it up! very neatly, sad but true.....
Otterclaw
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Sep 30 2008, 04:52 PM) *
obviously photoshop.

All I see is a bf and its mate. Must be a photoshop.

Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (Otterclaw @ Oct 3 2008, 11:31 AM) *
All I see is a bf and its mate. Must be a photoshop.


precisely.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Oct 2 2008, 11:43 PM) *
precisely.


we clearly see a bigfoot in the pic, but why are all the photos of cryptozoologists so blurry? why do they keep avoiding us? with no bones of one, just bad writing and poop, their is no good evidence
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 4 2008, 08:21 AM) *
we clearly see a bigfoot in the pic, but why are all the photos of cryptozoologists so blurry? why do they keep avoiding us? with no bones of one, just bad writing and poop, their is no good evidence


Personally, I believe it would be impossible for any species to grow facial hair in the pattern of that man, scientifically, that is just not likely at all.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Oct 5 2008, 09:09 PM) *
Personally, I believe it would be impossible for any species to grow facial hair in the pattern of that man, scientifically, that is just not likely at all.


even skeptics like bigfoot say we should have found them by now. instead all we have is anecdotes of them, bad journalism, and fuzzy documentaries
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 6 2008, 02:16 PM) *
even skeptics like bigfoot say we should have found them by now. instead all we have is anecdotes of them, bad journalism, and fuzzy documentaries


Then again, the coelacanth was also thought to be extinct until it was recently rediscovered, so prehaps hope is not totally lost?
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Oct 6 2008, 01:23 AM) *
Then again, the coelacanth was also thought to be extinct until it was recently rediscovered, so prehaps hope is not totally lost?


the coelocanth is a 6ft fish, big, and remember the komodo was also a myth to
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 6 2008, 02:24 PM) *
the coelocanth is a 6ft fish, big, and remember the komodo was also a myth to


i dunno, the researchers of cryptozoologists (Cryptozoologistologists) don't seem trustworthy to me.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Oct 6 2008, 04:24 AM) *
i dunno, the researchers of cryptozoologists (Cryptozoologistologists) don't seem trustworthy to me.


coleman is a good researcher, so is chris murphy, john green, adam davies, richard greenwell, johnathan downes,
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 7 2008, 10:34 AM) *
coleman is a good researcher, so is chris murphy, john green, adam davies, richard greenwell, johnathan downes,


If they exist that is
Otterclaw
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 5 2008, 09:24 PM) *
the coelocanth is a 6ft fish, big, and remember the komodo was also a myth to

yes, but u are forgeting that the coelocanth lives in the water. cryptozoologists are suposed to live on dry land. they would have 2 leave traces. i heard they eat at mcDonalds. can someone find any reciepts from when they ate? maybe that will help sway bigfoot from his skeptism. he is a good arguer.
makaya325
QUOTE (Otterclaw @ Oct 8 2008, 11:54 PM) *
yes, but u are forgeting that the coelocanth lives in the water. cryptozoologists are suposed to live on dry land. they would have 2 leave traces. i heard they eat at mcDonalds. can someone find any reciepts from when they ate? maybe that will help sway bigfoot from his skeptism. he is a good arguer.


yet most bigfoot are armchair skeptics ,and spend more time in the woods than in the rural areas where cryptozoologists are supposed to exist!
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Oct 10 2008, 06:08 AM) *
yet most bigfoot are armchair skeptics ,and spend more time in the woods than in the rural areas where cryptozoologists are supposed to exist!


Good point. Cryptozooligists are said to live in the big cities, but how often do bigfoots, or any cryptid for that matter, enter such areas? Not very frequentally, I'll tell you that right now.
makaya325
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Oct 11 2008, 10:18 PM) *
Good point. Cryptozooligists are said to live in the big cities, but how often do bigfoots, or any cryptid for that matter, enter such areas? Not very frequentally, I'll tell you that right now.


exactly. bigfoots are so lazy to go look for cryptozoologists.
Mattshark
QUOTE (Otterclaw @ Oct 9 2008, 12:54 AM) *
yes, but u are forgeting that the coelocanth lives in the water. cryptozoologists are suposed to live on dry land. they would have 2 leave traces. i heard they eat at mcDonalds. can someone find any reciepts from when they ate? maybe that will help sway bigfoot from his skeptism. he is a good arguer.

The coelocanth also lives in very isolated conditions under water in very few places and remember scuba is a new thing so marine exploration was quite difficult. The fish also occurs in rather remote area's and was probably seen many times but not by anyone of a scientific background. It was also never though to be a myth, it was just thought that the family had died out a long time ago. The isolation of Komodo and Flores also made finding the Komodo dragon difficult.
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