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ahh the dumbass, that said, i still agree with the iraq war:)

The war in Iraq was completly necessary. I agree completly with Bush

Does anyone need any more evidence for government mind-control than the responses to this post? Scary.

Funny that he did contradict himself but also funny how the video fades to black before allowing him to respond as well... all that aside, the world is a better place and iraq is a better place without saddam and we were right for going in... mind control? NO, LOGIC!

those bastards cant say anything without lying. For example Bill Clinton "I did not have sexual relations with that woman. "

you know, very true...all conservative or liberal ideologies aside, any high ranking official has contradicted themselves once or twice in the 4-8 yrs they serve in the white house. amazing... CONSPIRACY I SAY!! CONSPIRACY!

hmm, that didn't occur to me, he could well have been taken out of context and/or misquoted, or the footage thanks to editing could have created a misleading representation of how things actually happened, it worked for Bowling for Columbine:)

Ha, funny how he wasn't quite sure what to say and started to stutter, while he was trying to justify his contradiction.

Oh well, just like some of people in American and Canadian Idol, Saddam just had to go. Hey, maybe they should make a series on called "Political Idol".

Although Saddam a thousand times evil than any of those in those reality series, since he would be considered a sociopath. How? I heard that Saddam watches films of his prisoners being executed, while eating food. Now this makes me sick.

I just hope that Saddam Hussein will soon understand the horrible things he has done and comes to the point of remorse.

If US leave Iraq today.. I would expect a civil war soon. US troops has to stay there and be responsible. While I never agree to the war in the first place, at this point there is no other option. The cost is high, and will keep increasing. Coalition casuality is already higher than the first gulf war, and US economy is going down, bringing the rest of the world with it (if you're wondering why people outside US hate Bush so much, this is the reason... it's all about the money, remember?).

About the government mind control... I think it's pretty clear.
* Bush administration lied when the war was started... there is no WMD.
* Bush administration lied when the war was ended... Iraq is still pretty much at war.

and
* Majority of US citizens still support the war.
* Majority of people outside US do not support the war (yes there are allies, but they just want to mantain good relationship with US, which is very important).

Government mind control is definitely on effect. Just take a look at the difference between al jazeera and CNN. Oh.. the news in US started to expose Saddam's cruelty after it became clear that Saddam had no WMD... just another example of mind control technique.

About what the iraqis want... I think they just want to live in peace and stability. Freedom (american version) is not that important, although they might think of it as preferable. However there is a big difference between gaining freedom through revolution, and gaining freedom after being invaded. I think they don't like both Saddam and foreign forces messing arround with their internal affairs.

Look here Look here!

We go into Iraq because of the threat of "Weapons of Mass destruction" and a cause tagged onto the end of it is that "Oh yeah, and we're going to liberate the Iraqi people,"

When it turns out theres no WMD anywhere, we claim it was a "Liberation Effort" from the start

Liberation sounds good and all, but is it our job to save the rest of the world at the cost of our lives?

As the single superpower in the world it is the united states job.

I wouldn't really call the U.S. a super power. We just happen to have better weapons. As far as the whole war in Iraq issue. I think we went there for good causes, plus who is to say that even though we did not find wmds that they are not there? A thing of biological agents could be as small as a peanut butter jar and spread very rapidly. Something that small could be buried. Plus if we can make nukes the size of suitcases they can be buried, or even smuggled out of foreign countries with ease. Odds are they had them and they got rid of them, or hid them. As far as the crap that is going on now, part (and most) of it is liberal bs, part is conservative bs, but I still side with the conservative viewpoint on things. I think even though the people said "immediate threat" or "imminent threat", they just meant that Iraq was the biggest threat, not really an instantaneous one, but would be the one most likely to cause trouble in the future.

Also I really think that if we allow that Kerry wacko to get into the presidency after the next election, all attempts to stop terrorism will be gone. Terrorists will then strike again because they know we won't do squat just because the damned democrat is running the presidency and we all know how they reacted when they didn't win elections (the recounts with Gore, and then for governor in CA) and with the whole Clinton "I'd did not have sexual relations with that woman, Lewinski" affair.

Naveed brings up a good point about the concealing of WMD's. They are very small nowdays and easily hid, but a more likely explanation is that they have been distributed throughout multiple terrorist organizations out of the country to distort how many WMD Iraq really had.

However, I believe the reason we went to war is much bigger then weapons of mass destruction or Liberation of the Iraqi people. Bush kind of displays it as a "plight against the evil in the world." I think its more as a,"Plight to secure our nation as the most brutish, greedy, and out-of-place around, so don't f*** with us."

What to think?

Okay Blue Scorpion, Saddam is a bad guy. He has to be to run a country like that. However, we've been running it pretty sinister for a long time over here in the United States, its just that we're more skillful in concealing it.

Cambodia;We supported Cambodia psychopath Pol Pot so he would offer opposition to the Vietnamese. After we were done with him, we let him take control of Cambodia and thus slaughter millions of his own people.

Congo/Zaire;In fear of the nationalist leader Lumumba coming into power the U.S. helped Mobutu SeseSeku to power. With United States aid we helped assasinate Lumumba and Mobutu ruled as a terrific dictator, outlawing political opposition and killing any who would stand against him.

What I'm trying to say is, the United States does not really work for democratic ideas, Rightousness, or any lofty ideas. The media may say it does, the president might say he does, but america is in this for america alone. We don't care about anyone else, unless they have something good. Then we're their best friend

Those decisions made in the past were made by people in the past. Are your 100% sure that the same people who made those horrific decisions are still making the decisions we're making today? We're seeing a lot of political descisions being broadcasted live over TV/radio. Therefore, how exactly can one be so corrupt with millions of people watching nowadays.

The decisions made in the past were made almost secretively, therefore giving the political leaders a headstart in their wartime propoganda. Now it's almost hard to decide on certain matters without the entire US influencing these leaders.

Things change; nothings forever.

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YES, I AM 100% SURE THE SAME PEOPLE ARE MAKING THE SAME DESICIONS TODAY. They are white, christian, former lawyers with a nuclear family that run our government and will continue to do so.

It is wrong, it needs to change, but it won't due to the corrupt web of political inbreeding. Should a 50 year old white male congressmen be telling todays youth what to do with their body in regards to abortion?

There comes to mind the term Chickenhawk: a politician in support of war but have never served in actual combat. Clinton was one and so is Bush.

Oh, and when I talk about America I am merely talking about the heads of our government, who don't represent the people, but tend to speak for all of us despite the fact that we are a democracy. There are plenty of good decent americans out there looking to earn an honest buck.

i'm gonna start handing out

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REINSTATE SADDAM

posters at uni just for a kick:)

Note the fact that he said he'd make those posters "just for kicks,"

You people can't handle any jokes at all. Thats why I HAVE to continue provoking you!

i was just joking too, really, i was its just difficult to tell who's joking and who's not, especially when a large debate ensues not only throughout the country but in various threads in this forum about the presidency and iraq...

hehe, my intention was to show that all these people are against the iraq war, yet when it comes down to it, noone thinks saddam should be returned to his former position, they can't have it both ways.