Actually, we lose almost all of the energy production in our bodies through body heat; that's why only about 10% of the energy an organism consumes will be passed along in the food chain.

If there was a huge build up of energy in our bodies, the chances are we'd put it to use, simply because no system in the body exists where it stockpiles much of anything...heat energy especially is one of the things the body hates to store. Chemical reactions that use and release energy are even coupled within the body to make sure there's no excess energy floating about...

We're not simply going to pack it away so we can scare the crap out of people after we die

I always thought Dolphins and Apes were meant to be sentient. An animal that isnt aware of itself will put itself in dangerous situations without realising it, because it doesnt appreciate its life.
ie. a cat sitting in the middle of a road isnt sentient because it doesnt understand that roads are dangerous. We question our awareness through our speech. Since animals obviously communicate with themselves, and each other then why couldnt a sentient animal question its existance?

well actually, Monkeys and i think maybe dolphins have been observed to use mirrors and recognize themselves, which means they are indeed selfaware on some level.


The way i see things is that the primate/cetacean brain is essentially an organic computer with its own highly advanced AI.

Actually most monkeys don't realise that it is them in the mirror, they think it is another monkey. WHat you were trying to say is that the Great Apes have the ability to recognize themselves. They are normally thought of as being these four, Orangutan, Gorrilla, Chimpanzee and Bonobo, however humans scientifically are also classed as a Great Ape. Please anyone who has the time go to this website and sign the declaration for Great Apes. http://www.greatapeproject.org/gapdeconline.html
I think it is a very worthwhile thing to do.
By the way dolphins are considered to be smarter than the Great Apes, and if they had evolved hands would have already far surpassed humans.

well they dont so
please stay on topic!!

Why would other planets have the same life as us. If we had wings we'd get around faster, isn't that a bonus? Maybe beings on other planets look like us but with wings? Another flaw is that we have four bases to our DNA. Adenine, Guanine, Thymine and Cytosine. Who says that's the best model? Diversity of species and races is always the best way to make sure that at least some survive. Therefore, wouldn't six bases be better (more differences)? Or sixteen? Or two hundred? It's all possible and evolution has no real goal. Unless on other planets it does. Who knows? But it is unlikely that other planets that most likely have different habitats, will have different creatures.

It not only explains the pictures it explains quite a few sightings and experiences aswell . It's not easy to understand but when Bose/Einstien condensate occurs , it is as if an atom is capable of being everywhere at once . I don't even uderstand it properly . I have been looking for an article I posted from Whitley Striebers site a while back where they used this technology to apparently make a cat appear to be in two places at once, a doppleganger effect .
It is possibly one of the most exciting discoveries in science over the past decade . Even more exciting than a new planet because lets face it it's something that is going on in our Neighborhood.
Lets see if I can get this down to where it makes sence . In the Holographic universe theory everything is considered at an atomic level were as everything even the air is made up of the same thing , Atoms . These atoms are the ones affected by Bose-Einstien condensate . Perhaps the universe is not just holographic but also physical . The physical energy disapates through organic breakdown but the holographic(that new matter is more what I mean not really holographic ) atoms are released into the atmosphere . They are then intern made visable through the process of Bose-Einstein condensate which is caused by a drop in temperature.
Here is another link to a story Saruman posted earlier in the month

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JOC, the soul is "not" the life force, neither is the mind or consciousness. And the Fragment “that critical awareness of our own being” is not even a statement. Beside the point, it’s not critical to nothing. Nothing happens to the soul when the body dies, it doesn’t exist.

Just like they say (Jesus and certain parts of the bible) your soul will burn in hell if you act this way or that way ect ect, if a "soul" is capable of burning it is then physical to some extent, and everyone is claimed of having a soul that belongs to them, because it is physical to some extent and it belongs to each of us it would then be located somewhere deep within us or in the body in general; but its yet to be found. Why?! It doesn’t exist that's why, simple. You want to make the assertion and assumption that a soul exists just because scientist don’t know how to fully explain the mind, until you can give us proof it exist it doesn’t. (Same imaginary rhetoric as before)

Can you prove there is a part of a person that is not physical? If you can’t... that what you’re speaking of is just wishful thinking.........Then, you’re speaking on the soul as if it has the ability to think on its own, as an external existing entity.

Let’s examine the word itself.....

Imaginary -
- 1a : existing only in imagination : lacking factual reality b : formed or characterized imaginatively or arbitrarily

-2 : containing or relating to the imaginary unit.

-3 -IMAGINARY applies to something which is fictitious and purely the product of one's imagination

4-FANCIFUL suggests the free play of the imagination

People get ride of this delusion that a soul exist you proved yourselves wrong with the descriptions and definitions you gave, only through ignorance will a person accept there imagination as real.

Aslan, thank you! Why can we see what they cannot? But, why need the soul as this report card i.e. the soul, if God knows already; he is all knowing. The soul has no use for existing.

This is called a spirit ; a personality requires a body for it to put it in to use, just mere transport of a personality to God or an afterlife is fruitless.

Spirit - a : a special attitude or frame of mind .
- A person having a character or disposition of a specified nature.
- A mental disposition characterized by firmness or assertiveness.
-An animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms.
-A lively or brisk quality in a person or a person's actions.

Example: You can’t hit that ball out of the park you suck. No JIM you can hit the ball out of the park. Yes I can, I can hit the ball out of the park. Thats the spirit (*a special attitude or frame of mind*) you can do it.

See the pattern.......

Where is this unknown energy stored? Where is it?

Kellanor, just like in our former discussion on a soul, you are doing exactly what I said you were doing before; giving weight to the assumption that a soul exist just because scientist hasn’t proven how the conscious works. Why does it have to be the soul which this weight is giving to, why not nothing else? It has to be a soul because you would like it to be a soul, your not accepting the fact; you who believe in a soul just on assumptions are just having wishful thinking.

The truth taste of bread……..
The truth is always denied
The truth is hard to swallow, and men are unwilling to accept it.

To clarify, the thing people call ego, self, “soul”, personality, the “I”etc., are merely conventional terms that do not refer to any real, independent entity. Bruce Lee said it best,” I “doesn’t exist. There is no soul that transmigrates or proceeds straight away either to heaven or hell after death. There is nothing in this world and most likely the next that is found to be eternal or unchangeable. We can only cling to imagination and hope to find something immortal. No man has produced anything to promote mankind by postulating a soul and its imaginary working. Searching for a soul in man is like searching for something in a dark empty room. But the poor man will never realize that what he is searching for is not in the room. It is very difficult to make such a person understand the futility of his search.

Let me make this clear to all who believe in the existence of a soul you are not in a position to explain what and where it is, therefore no discussion or debate. What you conceive as something eternal within us, is merely a combination of physical and mental aggregates or forces, made up of body or matter, sensation, perception, mental formations and consciousness. These forces are working together in a flux of momentary change; they are never the same for two consecutive moments. They are the component forces of the psycho-physical life. Verily, the consciousness depends on matter, sensation, perception and mental formations and that is cannot exist independently of them.

Ok let’s say you still want to accept there is a soul.

If the going gets bad in an argument one can always call upon the universal mantra 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof', to extricate oneself from further discussion, or the need to think.

Our soul is nothing.

for more info check out the section on SPIRIT & SOUL on
http://www.divisiontheory.com

Do you want to know a fact? ……… I don't know and you and others don't know. There are many theories and people hypothesizing over what exactly is taking place, but it is not a fact, or an absolute; just a mere belief. Wishful thinking..........
Of course Buddhist believe in the concept of Rebirth, and of course this would mean they do believe in a after life, in is by far one of the only after life theories scientist acutally have "some" evidence to account it exist. The evidence is that many children have been reported and documented of having past life memories that correspond with the Buddhist concept of Rebirth. But, this is just evidence; it’s not "proof". There still leaves a Gap for people to wonder what exactly happens after death, if anything. But the fact is this, I don’t know and none of you or other people in the world know; nothing else to discuss.
So if a person claims an afterlife doesn’t exist, you can’t say he is not right, because you or anybody else doesn’t have proof one does exist, so until that proof appears if ever, they're claim remains as true. Sorry.....innocent until "proven" guilty. They can hold that claim as a truth until someone "proves" otherwise.

Yes, true, and they're claim stands as a fact until proven guilty with "proof" that the after life does exist; when proof is given there is no more room for wishful thinking or hypothesizing or theories, discussion or debate.

People apply their own meaning to what life means to them, just because it means this to one person as an accepted truth that is supposedly applied to all life, doesn’t mean it does apply to all other people into what life means to them.

If you believe in "the after-life" that’s for you and other believers to figure out, not me, the neutralist, the person who has no belief towards after life and God concepts, just living totally in the moment and accepts life as it comes, lively solely in the now and not the future or past. When I die then I can know absolutely without question, that an after life, rebirth, or any other after life category exists. I don’t waist my time sitting around “O you think an after life exists? “Yea, and so on- ....nah man your wrong, -no you’re wrong. The fact is you don’t know and won’t ever know......... until you die , so until then indulge in your imagination, or just forget pondering over something useless and just live! Make the most of your life, live it to the fullest in the best moral way you can, and live to benefit others. Then when you die, ask the question............hey dude like were both dead, so does that now mean an after life does exist? Uh yea man, but how are we going to tell the living that it exist if were dead? Well that’s the thing seems as though we cant, they just must die and just experience this through "personal experience". Or if you don’t find yourself in an after life, the atheist were right; I really hope they are wrong. And this is all I can do is hope and forget about the whole theory until I’m dead.

One exists, and one doesn’t. The spirit actually has a coherent definition; Spirit is basically your character, your personality, your attitude and so on in those terms. On the other hand the soul.......has no definition, except for in terms of what its not; intangible none-corporeal. The word soul has never been clearly defined as something that applies to reality, yet people use this undefined word, which has no comprehensive definition. You all are using it in your supposed arguments that it exist, to a person who doesn’t believe in it at all as if it makes any kind of sense, I reject that word, that word has no meaningful reference in the real world to me, so if you use it in your argument (a undefined incomprehensive word) you have a none-argument. Unless you define the word soul comprehensively and coherently, that all people can agree upon it as having that same distinct meaning, you can’t use it in a coherent way or in an argument. The word soul has no definition people agree upon, there is always an argument, “nah nah its not that its this,- no its not that, its this! I’ve just shown how you all have not one definition to define it, and it then becomes incomprehensive, so you cant use it in a argument of an after life or any other extraordinary claim.

People of "history"! See, your even admitting they can't agree upon one definition or word to define soul, and just recently in modern time getting a definition of what spirit is; its not an external entity, it just character/personality/ a special attitude or frame of mine. Look how the word is used.

Holy Spirit.........They are basically not saying Holy entity or supernatural being that has got into them. They are saying the Holy Character, or attitude or special holy attitude has got inside of them; not some external self existent entity.

ex: that’s the spirit John you can do it!
(Basically, that’s the attitude or frame of mind you can do it!)

See how the word is used, it does not apply to some entity, know this. So you’re saying the Holy Spirit (entity) has got into you? Makes no sense.....you present a better argument using the definitions I gave that came directly from a source and recent dictionaries. But with rebirth, that’s what Buddha taught, the character, or spirit of a person is reborn in another person, and in turn becomes a cycle, until you become enlightened and break the cycle by having no character at all, your a Buddha, you don’t show emotion towards anything your basically neutral. Even the Taoist quote the neutral approach, “the wise man does not appear happy /elated and depressed. I can accept that the character of me will be reborn in someone else than this theory that some soul which can’t even be clearly defined and displays a self. If people are right, “you we are all one with the universe”, then a soul belonging entirely to us doesn’t exist, see as how we belong to everything , and everything it to us.

So simply saying, there are people try to hypothesize if this undefined word soul really exist; they are waiting there time. Ok, kindly asking, what is our essence? You replied, the soul. The soul has no coherent definition, and with the definitions they are people don’t agree upon, so really your begging the question. It’s our unconscious........Why? No reason at all it just is because you and others and history say it is or in better terms believe it is.

You have just proved my point .........Yin /Yang (2 things, balance) Spirit/Body, adding in the 3rd position spirit is pure contradictory. There cannot be balance with a unequal number of 3 existing. Something has to give, its either Body/spirit both in balance, or none at all because add a soul to the mix will create an imbalance. If you’re disagreeing your clearly stating this is balance, YIN/Yang/and TANG. This 3rd position has no real place in it at all. So listen to what you just said, "
Both striving to be in harmony" Both is referring 2 (BOTH) this 3rd position soul cant constitute both, its imbalance. And basically your own logic or argument that you presented defeated itself; cancelled itself out.

Keyword.........DREAMY.........i.e. imaginary.......

Examine the word again......Imaginary....
-existing only in imagination
-lacking factual reality
- IMAGINARY, FANCIFUL, VISIONARY, FANTASTIC, CHIMERICAL, QUIXOTIC mean unreal or unbelievable. IMAGINARY applies to something which is fictitious and purely the product of one's imagination.

Now I hope you can comprehend what I am clearly showing you all, a soul is something imaginary, it doesn’t exist. And to use the bible as any reference towards anything is also begging the question. Souls exist "because" the bible says it does, and the bible is Gods word and Gods word is not wrong because the bible said so. Circular Reasoning......Leads back to the same question being ask does a soul exist. The bible presents to no evidence, it just claims, in its own name a soul exist. No evidence, no fact......

ON Souls......
1.) Souls are not physical entities.
2.) Brains are physical entities.
3.) Past experiences are stored in our physical brains, we call that, "Memory"..
4.) Injury can damage portions of the physical brain that store memory and can alter or erase memories completely.
5.) If human souls exist... after death, souls can have no memory.

*Some will say the soul stores physical memories as well, but if true, the soul would have to be physical at least to a degree. How could a non-physical soul store, physical memories?

Now this is what Buddhist believe, but the spirit as being some entity, that’s what its not , and it doesn’t float around which makes it seem as one. How it travels is something obscure to us. And also reincarnation can’t exist, because it’s said that the "soul" is reincarnated into another body still being fully aware of whom they were in a past life, first you got to prove a soul exist for there to be a reincarnation.

1.(Statement) A soul exist.
2. Because a soul does exist, reincarnations exist.

If a soul doesn’t exist, you can’t just have reincarnation to exist; fore it depends upon the soul! So, neither has evidence for existing; while the spirit does.

1. A spirit exists.
2. Because a spirit does exist Rebirth does exist.

If I took spirit away Rebirth can’t exist. But anyway, instead of people believing in reincarnation of the soul, they should then change it to say, rebirth exist because of the spirit. One has definite evidence of its premise and the other doesn’t. A spirit exist, it’s your character, personality, while soul is none of the above....has no true meaning.

Actually I’m not confused at all, I’m just getting my fingers warmed up and has been pleasurable to me. Basically dude, reincarnation has nothing to support it, for it to exist a soul must exist as stated, if a soul doesn’t it doesn’t, I suggest you reading up on the Buddhist concept of Rebirth ...If you don’t know and ask, ok Rebirth of what, .......the character or spirit.

Ok, then that must make you one of the many people who believe in superstitions; things that lack evidence to the contrary, and just believe just to believe.

It clearly sounds as if you closed your mind to the beliefs of everyone else or that person, and are clearly sticking to believing yours. If your belief can’t stand up to questioning it’s not worth believing. And yes, stating an argument without evidence or proof is surely not worth your time, I agree.

Yea............right..........(i see where this is leading.....)

Your statement is total ignorance in itself and delusion. Besides, his name wasn’t Gautama Buddha, since it is recent times they just call him "The Buddha" alone. I’m sure if you read you'll learn about the distinction he made between himself Gautama and the Buddha. One is personality one is not.........
How can you make the foolish assertion about fascism?

You.....the people examine the word and see if "The Buddha" fits the description after reading his history.....

fascism - 1* a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

You have to be living in a cave like Bin Ladin and eating nothing but hard rocks and mushrooms to make that claim.......

Now, your inferring that there is a GOD, which again you have no proof of, a mere assertion. And you’re trying to appeal to the people reading these posts emotions to make them seem like "oo if he tells a loving person they have no soul he is a bad person". Thus, you’re trying to influence their answer on the topic that’s being discussed.

Dude, your going to be thinking about the meaning of life for a long time in that case; give life your own meaning of it, make it what “you” want it to be and live a happy blissful life.

Again you’re trying to appeal to the viewer’s emotion. But, in all respect, just because you look at the damn sky and birds, and trees and grass, and sun looking nice, how is that suppose to correspond or relate to having a soul what so ever in any essence?! I can look at the sky, and say the metaphysical is ruled by the characters of Final Fantasy X a video game , does that make it true? We as people need evidence....proof, that’s how we separate the true from false. So without further a due..........You have no soul. (Get pissed)

And what the hell is that suppose to do or make me believe? One man wrote a poem, so therefore souls exist? Foolish....souls exist because it just does!!!!!!!Why does it just does? BECAUSE IT JUST IS!

Concluding people, live your lives meaningful and morally to your view. Don't accept things as true just because they are claimed by people; investigate. If we go around believing everything a person or group of people say as something being true with investigating it for ourselves, this world would not have come as far as came today technology wise and socially, it would set us back to far.

"The only truth that exists is the truth that can be applied and tested or put into practice; anything else is wishful thinking."

it's not the atoms in the B-E experiment that we are interested in but the new form of matter that was discovered when scientists played with the B-E theory . The matter has only been recognised for 3 or 4 years now , where as the B-E theory has been around since Einstien . The B-E thing is purely to point out another possible conection to spirits and hauntings , a lowering of temperature .

You seemed to want a scientifically probable answer , thats about as close as I think we are going to get . There are still the philosophical arguments though .

Actually, I dont want a scientifically "probable" answer, I want proof, a soul does exist, which currently there is none; and Im saying in my opinion they will not ever be, because its a delusion thought up by mans imagination.

Philosophical arguments.........such as.........?I really hope your not pointing towards the bible, a none sequitur.

I’m not denying spirits exist, we actually have a real, coherent definition of those, I’m saying the soul, which takes the 3rd person position doesn’t. Ghost, basically, would be classified as spirits; however you want to apply the meaning of the word to the events. This is the fact; the topic says “what is our soul?” And with current real life established proof, I’m telling.........nothing, it doesn’t exist.

Let me make you fully aware, of what
IS NOT PROOF-(Proof- the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning)

What is not proof-?
-hypothesis
-theories
-An argument that doesn’t give proof or evidence, but just what it says arguments or disagreements.
-Opinions- you are entitled to your opinion towards anything, but if you turn your opinion into a argument, you need to present evidence, and some proof for it to stand with any sort of credibility anywhere.
-wishful thinking
-philosophical arguments

None of these are Proof; all what you guys gave are opinions, hypothesis’s, arguments that contradict themselves, disagreements and wishful thinking. Why? I don’t know, maybe because you can’t establish the current facts in your minds, and "want to" believe a soul exist, which is a superstition- something that lacks evidence to the contrary. And you all are arguing from a bias point of view; you all who claim a soul does exists are viewing things from what you want them to be, and not what they are at this current point in time.

So ............A soul doesn’t exist, like it or not, this is the fact ....now.

Yes, that’s all it is.........a claim. There is nothing to support that claim; let me guess, it is because they say it is and their word is never wrong. Most likely your going to go to the scripture and say there it is, it says it exist, still that’s just making it a claim. I see it now, if you present the scripture or any that would be circular reasoning. If someone says "The Bible is true because God exists, and God exists because the Bible says so. " Let’s change it to fit that book with scriptures you were talking about, "The Bhagavad-Gita is true because the soul exist, and the soul exist because The Bhagavad-Gita says so. This is not evidence of nothing! It’s just a blank assertion. If I went around and said a Giant dragon exist that rules everything and is invisible and you are nothing more but its child and after death it going to torture you because you have a soul, you have to believe its the true, know why? You have to believe it’s true because you accept a soul existing without any evidence to support it, so why not believe that this Giant invisible dragon exist without any evidence. All religious so called "holy" books make nothing but claims, there is nothing in any religion to support those silly claims, and they exist just because they say they do.

Don’t bother any moment it’s worthless anyway…..........

O, insults now, how factual to proving my point of not believing and proving all of you wrong. But now you’re stating everyone who does not believe in a soul "for no reason at all just because someone else says it exist and can’t prove it in anyway, are ignorant. “Some” of you people who attempted to respond and refute my arguments, are bias anyway, you know it doesn’t exist and your sure not in the position to prove it does exist, and yet you still don’t want to acknowledge the truth, that it doesn’t exist from proven evidence, not to mention your own arguments that contradict themselves. You all just hold your beliefs that have little evidence if any to them and fail to acknowledge evidence and proof that disproves your belief. Basically you do this because your pride in your belief has you afraid to be wrong and “you don’t want to be wrong”, so you cling to it like a baby to its mother’s breast. I’m just hoping you’ll learn to see things as they are and not what you want them to be.

Also, you’re calling a person ignorant just because they don’t believe in Imaginations as a reality; clearly you’re portraying yourself as being ignorant. The same “intelligent and rational" men who believed without a shadow of a doubt that the earth was flat yet they look up at the moon and saw that it clearly was round, are the same people who believe in a God or soul, without evidence or proof; they are the truly ignorant, following like sheep where ever the herd travels. If its stupid or ignorant not to believe in something just because someone said it no matter how many, your calling all of the great scientist on this earth stupid, not to mention the inventors of the old stupid. Insults are now your only tactics when you can’t prove yourself to be right; its shows doubtful insecurity in your belief.

Ok then, topic needs to be locked....you can’t prove it so why talk about it. The most logical thing is to question your beliefs and not to believe things just because people said it. If you see otherwise, I can say a million things in anyone's imagination are true, and to you they have to be true because I said it; and "I don’t have to prove it with any evidence or proof of being true, its just true because I say it is", much like your beliefs.

It’s “Buddhist”. It’s sad to find out with this question how your comprehension isn’t yet capable of knowing.........Go look it up; it’s only in every dictionary, since like forever.

People this topic is clearly over, the truth has been establish, and neither one of you have presented a logical argument or proof or at least evidence for your claims to refute mine, and the only thing you respond back to me with is wishful thinking and imagination. Leaving …..Don’t have time to waist time with foolishness.


LEARN TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX Jimmy …Out of the box………
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In Religion, to question is forbidden.
In Science and Learning, to question is required.

If there was a GOD September 11th would have never happened; God knowing what’s right let wrong prevail.

How ignorant and blasphemous of you to say...tsk tsk. (I'll let you to ponder on this statement) And if you believe the wrong is prevailing...think again. Anyways this is becoming to be religious topic rather than a spiritual one.
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Has no true meaning, I'd say that is also ignorantly said.
The definition of spirit and soul is merely subjective and abstract as with anything symbolic, such as love. One cannot accurately define love from the viewpoint of another unless you stepped into that person's "shoe".

Looking up both definitions of spirit and soul...it seems they both reflect each other. Both terms are coined hand in hand. It's all basically subjective and to say that a soul does not exist is presumptuous and naive of you. Since proof cannot be seen with both spirit and soul than neither cannot be scientifically proven therefore is left for one to subjectively fantasize about.

You can go about a solution in many ways each path would be different but the end result would be all the same. One path can be more credible and "consistent" than another but if the solution is the same than neither is strictly incorrect, even if that path is inconsistent as the rest.

Science has it's own bizarre occurences that must be dealt with such as a singularity. It defies all known physics yet exists. Anything is possible, even the most unbelievable.
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Everyone in a sense is correct. If you think you will die and cease to exist than you will. While you do this, the rest of us will live on in life, in our physical self and beyond. It's your will you can do as you please as long as it doesn't interfer with the rest of our will. "If it ain't hurtin' keep searchin'"

Our soul is our spirit and vice versa. The only difference is how you and only YOU perceive it. They both live in harmony, so how bout we be consistent and live in harmony too.

If it didn’t prevail that they why didn’t God stop it?............He allowed it to happened and that it did, he could of stopped it………but he didn’t.
And you only see it as ignorant and blasphemous because you most likely believe in a one true God, perhaps the one of the bible.

Soul has no comprehensive meaning in reality, it only has definitions of terms of what its not. I’ve not found one person that agrees with the abstract definition of the word given. Spirit on the other hand actually has some definitions that can be accepted as a reality; soul does not. I don’t know how you get the notion that they correlate with each other. Soul only has 2 meanings that can apply to reality,- the moral and emotional nature of human beings b : the quality that arouses emotion and sentiment.- But other definitions such as, a- a persons total self. What the hell is that suppose to mean to an average person let alone anyone, it’s incomprehensive, and you said "abstract", you said it yourself. Spirit is not a “thing”, or entity like you may and want to believe, its clearly comprehensive to anyone on what the spirit is and the word is applied to if you look at its meaning.

Spirit,- a special attitude or frame of mind <the money-making spirit was for a time driven back -- J. A. Froude> b : the feeling, quality, or disposition characterizing something <undertaken in a spirit of fun>
7 : a lively or brisk quality in a person or a person's actions
8 : a person having a character or disposition of a specified nature
9 : a mental disposition characterized by firmness or assertiveness <denied the charge with spirit>

The 2 other definitions are yes abstract, and don’t apply to the reality, such as saying it’s the principle that gives us life. Biologists know exactly why the human body is living and surviving and it has nothing to do with a soul or spirit. One cannot clearly define love unless you step into another’s shoes yes, only because it has many definitions, but because it has many definitions for many people there is a distinct definition that those definitions from people, relate to, and agree upon. Such as
Love: strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties <maternal love for a child> (2) : attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers (3) : affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests <love for his old schoolmates> b : an assurance of love <give her my love>
2 : warm attachment, enthusiasm, or devotion <love of the sea>

Now people can give their own definitions of it, but even in doing so, their definition in essence agrees upon the definitions that love is directly defined as; they're definition in essence means or relate to the same thing, just are said in a different way.

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They do not reflect each other; they seem to go coined hand in hand to you because you have the delusion that a spirit and the soul are external from you and are self existent entities. One relates to a state of mind or attitude/personality and the other (soul) to some abstract thing which is suppose to be the core of our inner being. But no one has ever defined inner being in a coherent way all in terms that don’t agree with reality at least. All the definition gave are intangible. There are many words in the dictionary and many people use such a soul, but that doesn’t mean it points to a reality.

Exactly what I’m stating about the soul, even if the word actually had a meaning that related to reality in anyway, all the definitions you people gave of soul still wouldn’t agree with the defined meaning, such as people’s definitions of love; all of your definitions are irrelative. So really, you’re claiming something, abstract, incomprehensive, intangible exist, yet you cant even define it with a definite meaning, or if a definite meaning was given give a definition that will relate to it. You basically can say it might as well not exist, and doesn’t. You and some others are clearly are portraying yourself as a bias and self deceptional. Yes, leaves room for one to fantasize about; IMAGINARY, your accepting this word or thing as a reality when in fact it’s just a imaginary thing.

You know what? Your right we will arrive at the same end result,.......that a soul doesn’t exist.

Yea, a black hole has characteristics of a singularity, but you don’t. It defies all the laws of physics perhaps, but you are on earth, you do not, everything in the body is just about explained except the mind. Still that’s doesn’t give any credibility to a soul existing. You just like another person is just going on assumptions and possibility that since there are things in the universe that we don’t understand yet, or explain a soul must exist. Your arguments still is lacking support.

So basically, in your 1st statement you’re asserting that people will go to there chosen determined path if they believe they will.....that’s what it sounds like. You are now saying it’s possible for a person to believe that they will arise in the metaphysical as a GOD that creates another universe and it will happen, and you are also implying that all these religions that are out are all true if that’s what they believe. That must mean they are 1000s of Gods out there waiting for one of us to choose who to go to; you are delusional dude. Again, your making assertions now, you don’t have proof an after life even exist, yet you right now, are wishful thinking, when you die that’s when you will know for sure. But as evidence is established, in the real world, reality, there is no evidence painfully for an after life, scientist has it explained and is ruling out with more things they learn everyday; much as I wish an after life does exist I have no proof it does or evidence therefore, we can only wish; I take life as it comes. But that’s a whole another subject I won’t get into.

If you say our soul is our spirit, that’s a contradiction. You cant have both , one is going to cease to exist, why would 2 things exist having the same reason for existing and same function as you just implied because they are the same yet you give them separate statuses and say they strive to be in harmony with each other , one will not exist if they are one in the same, its contradictory; you need to learn how to accept reality man and live in reality instead of your dreams and fantasies you use as a way out it would seem. Learn to distinguish between truth and fantasy.

And I didn’t appreciate those insults you implied towards me, just because your belief has no credibility in the real world. Just accept the facts, until proven otherwise. You can live to die an old man and mankind still won’t have proved a soul exists or an after life. We can say with a high degree of evidence that a soul doesn’t exist. If you have faith in your beliefs you are already admitting that the assertions you are accepting by faith cannot be accepted on their own merit, you need something “Extra” or above and beyond evidence, because if you knew your belief was true, you wouldn’t need faith. (or Trust) When a fact is establish faith is contradicted.

Riiiiigggghhhht...pardon me as I not look at your definitions as well since they are also irrelative. I'm sure many dictionaries would disagree with you that these two terms are irrelative of each other--as clearly shown (I wouldn't want to post their definitions since they are irrelative as you say it is)

You've heard of Aristotle right? The person to believe that the only elements to exist was Earth, Air, Fire and Water. The people during his time believed this to be axiomatic for nearly 2000 years. Clearly the periodical elements are more specific, but since his teachings were credible it reasoned out that he was clearly right during his time.

He argued from systematic deductive logic, while you are arguing through inductive logic as we all are, even me; since we are arguing about such abstract concepts.

My stance is neutral which you should be. I'm not stating that neither soul or spirit is non-existant but as being ambiguous.