In the Bible, God tells Noah he has to build an ark and load a pair of every kind of animal before a great flood engulfs the world. It is widely regarded as a myth, but could it actually be true? The story of Noah and his ark is one which sticks in the minds of children and never gets forgotten. God warned Noah - the only good man left in a world full of corruption and violence - to prepare for a great flood. With his sons he built a great ark and the animals marched in two by two. By the time the rain started to fall, Noah was ready. The ark was a refuge until the waters went down, leaving Noah and his menagerie high and dry on Mount Ararat. There are many problems with the story. If the story is taken literally, it would have taken 35 years for Noah and his family to load two of every animal on earth. And a flood that engulfed the Earth would have left a signature for geologists - yet none has been found. But it is possible to build a much more credible version of the story based on a different reading of the Bible, on ancient Babylonian sources that predate the Book of Genesis, and on archaeology and science.

The traditional shape of Noah's Ark comes from the imaginations of 19th Century artists. It would have been about 450ft long, and experts say it would have broken apart. Even if such a feat of marine engineering had been possible, there are about 30 million species of animals in the world. For so many creatures, a fleet of enormous arks would have been needed. Geologists have also proved that there is not enough water in the world to cover all the continents, then or now.

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The ark would have actually been more of a barge.
Like this -

It's all BS to me, sure there could have been some guy that really did build a boat and put animals on it during a flood, but there is no way that he could have done what the Bible tells us, no way, no how

Doomgirl speaks the truth, possibely the story is an exageration from a true event were some town was flooded and some guy made a raft for himself, son and dog.

Don't forget; the world in those days was no larger than ten square kilometers for a person. Well-travelled people might have seen the town after the next town, which may have been fifty kilometers away. Stories were told by bards, who did travel and could make up anything. One-eyed monsters, multi-headed creatures, you name it.
There probably was a man who lived on the Black Sea coast (a lake at that time) who built a boat, a large boat and on it he gathered all the animals he owned and could catch. The flood was most likely the breaking of the Bosporus and the filling of what we now know as the Black Sea.
But isn't it a wonderful story?

Quote from story:

The flood happened around the Dead Sea, around whixch there were settlements at the time before the flood, (at the end of the last ice age).

What probably happened is that people saw the ice sheets melt and join the lake that was there at the time (albeit smaller than it is now) And any survivors of the imense wall of water that came crashing down on them, would have possibly have seen other people from the other side of the lake in little boats ride the water in an attempt to get away, and this became exagerated down the years.

Noah's Flood did happen, albeit differently than most people think it happened.The following passage is from The Book Of Enoch, who was forewarned about the flood. The passage is a dialogue between Enoch and the Angel Uriel about the coming flood.(From Chapter XXI, verse 3)

"There, too, I beheld seven stars of heaven bound in it together,like great montains,and like a blazing fire. I exclaimed, For what species of crime have they been bound,..."

Now think, what does 7 blazing firey mountains in the heavens seem like??? Quite possibly comets. In the book "Uriel's Machine, The Prehistoric technology that survived the Flood" the authors Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas detail an incident in 7640 B.C. where a 7 part comet indeed did hit the earth. Now majority of the earth is covered by water, and 7 comets all hitting oceans simutaneously would indeed have caused a MASSIVE worldwide flood. In chapter 3 & 4 of their book the authors detail an astonishong amount of geological evidence for just such a flood. Finally the flood story can be put to rest, and even be dated!!

The bible details that it rained and the fountains of the deep opened up. When the comets hit the oceans, massive amounts of water would have spewed into the air, and would have caused rain for days on end. It would also have caused massive Tsunami waves too FLOOD the land. That would explain the fountains of the deep opening up. And since Noah's Ark was quite a bit inland, the Ark would have rose slowly, instead of being broken apart had it been closer to shore.

Now for the dilemma of fitting all the animals on the Ark. It is quite feasible that, only baby animals would have come unto the ark. This would have allowed for much more room than if fully grown elephants and giraffes came on. And as we all know babys dont eat as much as fully grown animals do, allowing for even more free room. Also Id go as far as saying, that all animals that can lay eggs, could have come unto the ark, layed thier eggs and walked off, leaving behind a male and female egg, of all egg laying species, even further freeing up room on the ark. Personally I believe its quite feasible that an enormous amount of baby animals could have been saved.

I encourage people too go down too their local bookstore and read chapters 3 & 4 of the book Uriel's Machine, so they can fully grasp this new, and most substantiating theory of Noah's Flood.

Building the Colossus is physicaly possible (it is hard, but not impossible)

Building the Ark is also physicaly possible (yeah it is near impossible, but still ...)

Stacking all species of animals into the Ark is physicaly impossible... well I guess in God everything is possible.. so you religious folks should not worry about this at all

You guys forgot to mention all the other flood myths.

Yup. Other faiths some now dead and gone also had their flood myths. And most of these ancient religions thought them up long before Noah was conjured in anyones minds. There are Vedic flood myths, Aztec flood myths, Mayan flood myths and Sumerian flood myths. Im sure there are many others as well.

So could a flood have happened..seeings how it is apparent in all of these faiths? I guess so.
Was it Noah who carried the sh** out...I doubt it.

It would be amazing to see anyone fit a bunch of animals on a boat and make it out alive. But I don't think too many creatures could have exsisted back then. I mean look at the animal kingdom, everything resemlbes another creature, has the same atributes, whatever: My point is everything has evolved from something. The thousands of species of butterflies, wolfs to dogs, etc. What if all Noah needed were the primary animals, a basic horse, that later on, thousands of years later would evolve to the modern day Clydesdale or Mustang and so on. We are still discovering an average of 400 new species a day, and that's with this crappy technology. We would, however, be in real big trouble if God decided he wanted to flood the Earth again, we'd have to start all over. But don't worry, the rainbow is the symol he gave us to promise he wouldn't ever again. Oh merciful God....

I think God and evolution both exist is unison, but we're too cocky to realize the answers are right in front of us.

God did it!

..UH, no I dont think so. And IF he did what was his use for Noah. And why was Noah chosen instead of any priests or religious people. And did Noahs wife join him, cause if not then its obvious that the world would end unless GOD would allow him to make human babies by having sex with animals!

Evolution so far is impossible. Not a single person has been able to prove speciation, ever. For more info on the scientific impossibility of evoloution, check out http://www.alternativescience.com/darwinism.htm.

There was a massive worldwide flood at 7640 BC, and massive extinctions, somehow the animals we have now, would have had too survive that. Noah's flood story as told in the bible is the best most viable account we have of that.

PsychicPenguin,
The fact that all you can say in your answer if that God did it proves nothing. Because God is not real - he his a myth- until we can fully and undoubtedly prove he exists, thats not the answer you should use.

Venomshocker,

Time to bible thump.


Gen 7:2 You shall take seven pairs of every clean animal with you, the male and his female. Of the animals that are not clean, take two, the male and his female.

Gen 7:7 Noah went into the ark with his sons, his wife, and his sons' wives, because of the waters of the flood.

Gen 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Now, it seems that if you believe in the bible it gives the answer to your questions in a simple manner.

If you don't believe that's your right, but why do you have to say it's a lie. Can you prove it's a lie?

Believing in God, and in my case the bible and Christ, is not because I need these things to be moral or just.
I would rather like to think that there is a God, whether it is my God or another God or Gods, than to think that we humans were only either created or evolved to destroy and kill. It seems to me that if there isn't a God, then there is no purpose to humans being here on earth as we only take and very rarely give back to this planet we all share. Enough said.

Diebytheflyguy

Four questions –of many- I can think of right now… anyone, feel free to try and answer these from a religious point of view (PsychicPenguin, Joc, Venomshocker)

1) If evolution does not exist, and your God created everything on earth and made humans as we are then why do we seem to be evolving? One way, as mentioned before in many threads is the fact that our jaws are getting smaller as the years go on. This process is slow, and has only made humans loose their wisdom teeth, in order for their mouths to have more room. This would me that at one time all our teeth would fit into our mouths with no problem, and plenty room. Our brain has certainly evolved. We are now much more intellectual because of evolution. However if evolution were not true, then we would be the same mindless cavemen. Our features have also evolved/changed, and more specifically our skulls have gotten more defined and less large as they were before.

2) “Approximately 1.7 million species have so far been identified and scientifically described, but this represents only a fraction of life on Earth. The United Nations' 1995 Global Biodiversity Assessment estimated the total number of species at 14 million, although other estimates range from 5 million to more than 100 million!”

“Microorganisms and insects are thought to comprise the largest numbers of species. Insects alone are estimated to account for between 2 and 100 million species, with a working estimate within the scientific community of 8 million. Of the 100 species of animals described to date, approximately 750,000 are insects.”

From the Kind Planet Enviornmental Info website

Ok so from the totals, minus the marine life and we still have a s**t load of animals, insects, and plant life to account for… So with the flood covering all earth this would mean Noah would have to collect sample of almost every plant life on land, because I' m sure a large flood would have wiped them out. THEN he would have to be careful not to miss the 2 and 100 million species of insects! Then after collecting all the 250,000 species of animals -NOT MENTIONING THE THEN UNKNOWN- Noah would be able to set off in his impossibly -larger than an ocean liner- ship.

3) Where do Dinosaurs fit into the bible?
It is a proven fact that dinosaurs once existed. Scientists have found ACTUAL proof (bones) from these creatures. They have also proved that Dinosaurs existed 65 million years ago.

At the time of Dinosaurs, there were no humans around. So… if God created all life on earth in 7 days, are you then saying that humans and dinosaurs lived together in the world? Before you answer think of this: Even if they DID live together, we wouldn’t be living today. A natural disaster (comet, asteroid…or whatever cause it) wiped all the Dinosaurs out, and this would include us IF we lived at the time of the Dinosaurs (which them makes my statement of the world in seven days is not true; right) BUT before you say a flood killed the Dinosaurs, and that we were saved on the ship, then think of what Noah impossibly collected around the planet… He collected “Gen 7:2 You shall take seven pairs of every clean animal with you, the male and his female. Of the animals that are not clean, take two, the male and his female.” (thanks stillcrazy) This would mean that Noah would also include Dinosaurs to find refuge on his on water zoo. Now tell me, how would a Dinosaur fit onto the boat, and forget about the social interaction with the other animals!

4) How can you prove that just because a flood occurred, God created it?

So what if a flood occurred during the “time of Noah.” We see today natural disasters that occur (Volcanoes, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, FLOODS) And so what is a flood happened worldwide; this could have easily been caused by ANYTHING. A small asteroid could have sent a flood wave, and icecap could have melted, rising the water level, a tsunami or tidal wave, or even a tide could have came in, and scared the crap out of the misinformed people at that time. Anything “weird,” that occurred back then could be seen as an act from God.

1. No, our jaws don't get smaller. There is no proof for this! Yay!
Wisdom teeth? God made them!

2. In God everything is possible

3. There were no dinosaurs. Fossils? Uhm.. God created them.. but they are not the remains of dinosaurs. Satan made you think so

4. God created everything. Every single flood, earthqake, hurricanes, and other natural disasters... God created them! Uh well.. but God is love!!!

Note: atheists out there, I'm just joking.

Yes humans are evolving physically, and so are animals. Theres no reason why they shouldnt.Sometimes were taller,sometimes shorter, some of this depends on nutrition,and the enviroment. The human body is pretty amazing at adapting itself to different enviroments.

Humans(Homo sapiens) have always been just as intelligent. We are definately not becoming more intelligent with time. Humans have always been just as intelligent. The pyramids of Giza, the 1200 ton stones at Baalbek, the electric batteries deiscovered in Baghdad that were in use 2 thousand years ago. These were technologically advanced civilizations. Capabale of a high quality high society life.

God didnt create animals in 7, 24hour days, he took his time, and took millions of years.Refer too the bottom of http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=13940 for more info on that.

That also explains dinosaurs as well.

For info on how the flood happened, read the post, I put at the very beginning of this thread.

PP,

If you have nothing more substantial than sarcastic, belittling remarks to add to the discussion, you'd be well advised to refrain from making further comments.

Magikman

Hahahahahahahaha... PsychicPenguin, PsychicPenguin,PsychicPenguin...after searching around my old topics I found something very funny to read... Seems as though you like to contradict yourself...

Posted on Feb 27 2004, 06:00 PM
PsychicPenguin

"quickly replied before thread is closed

God.. No
Jesus... yes"

Hahahaha... this was actually taken from my God thread... I did not change it, I just coplied and pasted the important stuff.

Why the sudden change... Its either you had a episode with god (maybe you lost some money to him in a card game, and the only way to pay him back would be to believe in him) OR you were just trying to get me going with your repeated non-answers:
" In God everything is possible "
"God created them.. "
"God created everything."
"God created them! Uh well.. but God is love!!! "

I really find it funny... Unlike my dinosaur question, can you explain what happened here?

Hey, Diebytheflyguy, why dont you believe in a God?
And how do you explain where the Big Bang came from?

How do you explain where God came from?

I have never used the answer "God did it!".Personally I believe thats a cheap cop out, and there should be valid reasons behind things.
Haha, I went to this church and the pastor held an entire sermon on the 4 most dangerous words youll ever hear. " God told me so."
Those are very dangerous statments too make, and people that make those kind of statements cannot be reasoned with.Yes I believe God talks to people, but God never Gossips.

I believe there is purpose in life and nothing happens by coincidence. There is a reason for everything, but sometimes we cant see it. Going around and saying "God did it" or "God told me so" is almost like taking on the role of God himself. And no human should ever use that to try and verify something scientific, unless its passed through the utmost scrutiny.

my Apologies Diebythefly guy. It was wrong for me too assume you smoke weed to avoid things. If you want, im still interested in hearing why you dont believe in a God. Feel free to answer that in any thread you choose. And Im glad your living life to the fullest. My apologies again.

his wife was with him....wasnt she?
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...........oh no! we're ALL one big, stupid, continously incestous family! <Insert psycho shower music here>

It all begins with one word people!!


FAITH

No sorry, I think Noah mind have build a little boot.To go on holiday with his pets and wives.When he came back, he told everyone down the pub,that he'd build an ark.Simple, thats how the whole Noah's Ark thing started.

I believe that it could have happened, but the story in the bible is just exagerated, mabye there was an island that sunk or something and some guy packed his wife and 40 animals onto his barge and sailed away, then obviously the person who was writing the bible saw or heard of this and *Lightbulb* hes got one hell of a miracle.