As for the genres I believe Rock has developed greater than the rest. Although it has been popular for a long while it has developed greatly with many bands forming sub- catagories from rock.

Rap has stayed the same; Although rap fans do not believe that its all about the "bling bling" or the sex, or gangsta ways, its obvious that it will stay with these themes.

Grunge is dying. Nirvana, Alice in Chains...etc, popularized this genre in the early-mid 90's, but its now dying off; there aren't too many grunge bands out there, the only one I can think of is Nickelback (which I think they are more rock then grunge)

Pop is terrible. This is the area of the business where no tallent pretty people make millions off little girls. Although it is popular with many children and young teens the pop catagory will still be unable to develop into some thing good.

Punk is good a up and coming catagory of music. They are gaining more fame with the increase of skaters, snowboarders and the changing trends. Good punk bands include Rancid, Rise Against, Anti- Flag, NOFX. Although they have good bands credited to the punk genre, bands like Simple Plan, and Good Charlotte who call themselves punk just ruin everything for the other GOOD punk bands.

Most Developed Genre: Rock and its sub catagories
Most Influential Band: Red Hot Chili Peppers
mentionables: Nirvana, Incubus

Red Hot Chili Peppers are my vote because they have been able to adapt and changes to the times. Forming in the early 80's and still going today in the 00's this band is one of the greatest bands today. They have many hit singles and CD's and have gained popularity. SHOW ME A BAND FROM THE 80'S THAT ARE STILL GOING STRONG.

Nirvana were influential for their time (early- mid 90's) but soon burnt out.
-Its better to burn out, than to fade away - Kurt Cobain

Incubus are the new era music. They are a very popular, out spoken band. they have released many CD's and hit singles. They started in the late 90's and are still producing awsome music today; and for years to come.

**IF YOU CHOSE OTHER IN THE POLL, STATE WHICH CATAGORY YOU CHOSE.

I think the most influential band is Nirvana.
The most developed genre is Rock
The most influential genre is the good old classical (where we get our immortal major scale and 4 beat pattern)

Ok some of the bands from the "grunge" movement I'd say are more metal then grunge. Mainly Alice and Chains and Soundgarden. As far as what is most influential today...I'd say classical as psychoticpenguin stated, as well as rap because it seems to be polluting the rock genre and every aspect of society.

As far as most influential band...I'd say nirvana and metallica because everyone sites them as inspiration.

Best genre to come out I think would be metal, not the crappy hair kind, but good old metal \m/. Slayer, Sentenced, Iron Maiden, etc...good old metal

For originality, I'd say Lacuna Coil, Type O Negative, and Red Hot Chili Peppers. They all have unimitatible style, unless you consider Evanesence like Lacuna Coil, but as far as I'm concerned Evanesence is crap compared to them. Also Lacuna Coil has been around longer.

You know guys rock was around long before Grunge and punk emerged.

What about the Beatles, the Who, the rolling Stones, the small Faces,the kinks LED ZEPPELIN, Jimmi Hendrix?


These were all the pioneers of rock.

true Nirvana opened the commercial door to grunge but many would say the pixies were a more important band to grunge than even nirvana.

Anyway I loved Indie when i was gorwin up an here are my most influential bands

The charlatans, OASIS (my teen favourites), stone roses, OCS, blur and the manics.

Then The smashing Pumpkins.

Hell its too hard rock is defo the best musical genre up there anyway

Rock

Your talking about most influential band right??..and you say its Nirvana, RHCP, metallica??...yup there my favourites, hell they are Great Bands!!..but dude(no offence)..No other rock band in history has a greater range then the Beatles, and they have influenced nearly all the great bands that we have out there.

Dont believe me?..check this out :

Teeny Bop
I Want to Hold Your Hand
Not by choice, but by dubbing they became a teeny bop band. The Beatlemania mystique from 1962-1964 created this genre. Teen girls finally had more than one person to scream about on a stage. This genre is very popular today. The Beatles were the first teeny bop band, somewhat paving the way for the Backstreet Boys and New Kids on the Block...etc.

etown Sound (Merseybeat)
Please Please Me
The Beatles began playing skiffle music, trying to develop a sound that was called "Merseybeat." It's was a very well known genre in England, especially in Liverpool, and was played by local bands. In actuallity, the Beatles soon realized that they perfected the sound and were larger than it. Today Merseybeat is dead, though Oasis sometimes sounds like it.

Fifties Rock & Roll
Rock and Roll Music (Cover)
Yes this is a remake, but John really blew the original out of the water. The energy of his voice is incredible in this song. The Beatles, especially Paul McCartney, loved to recreate the 50's with some catchy tunes. Later on Paul would write many songs that could be dated back to the 50's. (Oh! Darling, Your Mother Should Know) 50's rock is very outdated today, only done by bands who specialize in the nature. The Beatles were truly the only band to utelize this genre in their albums.

Folk Rock
I've Just Seen a Face
In 1965 the Beatles, especially John Lennon, began heavy listening and decoding of the young and already well known Bob Dylan. Dylan's American poetry opened up a whole new world for the Beatles, the world of heartbreak and rediscovering love. Some of the group's, and John's, best tracks came straight from folk rock inspiration. Today folk rock is more or less and underground following with the occasional band or artists making some waves on MTV2. Dylan still goes strong though, still being the driving force in American music.

Orchestral
Eleanor Rigby
This really wasn't part of an influence- this song is really the only Beatle song with a full-on violin assault. The violin section is beautiful. It's a treat to find the instrumental of this song to be wisked away in a great orchestral track. Orchestral songs are only popular in the movies, though the Beatles did not influence the composers of movie soundtracks.

East Indian Influence
Love You To
George did all of the Indian influence songs. Love You To; Within You, Without You; Norweigan Wood; The Inner Light are the songs in which a sitar is most prevalent. George was a master at using the style for the albums- so good that many bands dared to try it out. Today the Indian influence is widespread: used in techno and club music as well as modern hip-hop. Most of the Indian influence songs the Beatles did had a dancy feel to them, so it's interesting to see that the Beatles may have a small thing to do with starting the modern hip-hop genre.

Alternative Rock
She Said, She Said
The self-destructive lyrics of She Said, She Said paved the way for this genre. I can imagine Kurt Cobain singing this song. The mutliple guitars add a confused feel to the song. Lennon really knew how to create a feeling, this song is no exception. Today the genre is strecthed out to alternative metal, with bands like Staind and Creed leading the "weak" charge, but it peaked as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Beck, Alice in Chains, and Hole were all on top in the mid 90's.

AM Pop
Got to Get You In My Life
The brass-fused McCarntey song is perfect for the 70's AM Radio genre. The song is light, bright, fluffy, and full of love. The rythym section is basic but the brass pounds out. Today AM Radio is no more musically, sans worldwide stations and child pop. Groups like the Osmonds and the Monkees definitely acquired this sound.

Circus/Novelty
Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite!
Really the only circus song you'll find on a rock album. The Beatles just decided it would fit well in Sgt. Pepper, though I'm sure Strawberry Fields would've done just fine there as well. No one uses the sound, but it is quite risky and done well.

Psychedelia
Blue Jay Way
Maybe the first psychedelia track, Blue Jay Way is a trip, a George Harrison voyage through Los Angeles. It moves slow, has a plodding beat, and is mythodical in all its glory. The genre died out in the early 70's, but this track set the tone.

Experimental
Strawberry Fields Forever
The mellotrone, the backwards guitars, the rolling drums, the tape loops; all part of the experimental movement. The Beatles were always one to try new things out. Most of these innovations aren't used, but they did everything to always create new ones.

Surf Rock
Back in the USSR
It's a Beach Boys satire, so it has to be surf rock. The background singing immediately has the Beach Boy sound to it. The theme of the song is a trip to the USSR, instead of the regular theme of a trip to California. It's a brilliant mockery. Surf rock, though the Beach Boys created it, has developed more into ska and other funkish genres.

Ska
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da
The brass, the thumping bass, the hard piano, all highlights of ska music. Many ska bands have covered this song for its sheer fun and influence. The Beatles may have created the entire genre with this one song. It is well known today, with the style most popular in the mid-late 90's.

British Blues Rock
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
I will write more on this classic in "the White Album" review. The song is with Clapton, showing the influence Cream had on Harrison and the Beatles. This type of music is done sparingly today, pretty much losing its luster in the last decade or so.

Motown
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Lennon wrote this really mixed up track while on drugs. It shows. But he covers the motown sound in the final section of the track. Motown is done now, though Boyz II Men tried to recreate it all over again. The real meat of Motown is gone, and has been gone for over 25 years.

Storybook Country
Rocky Raccoon
Paul half/sings this song, a heartwarming song about a boy pining for a lady. The genre is not really a genre, it's just a following comprised of myths and legends played sometimes by instruments. In Lehman's Terms: campfire music.

Country Western
Don't Pass Me By
Ringo loves country, and this is probably his best country song. The Beatles don't really use the style to their advantage, but they do well with this one. Country is a huge style today, with the Beatles being a blip on its radar screen.

Folk Ballad
I Will
A beautiful love song that can be heard in some of the songs today. Still, this genre is just like folk rock and hasn't been on the up in some time.

Blues
Yer Blues
John pours out this great blues track that sounds like any two-bit rock band can play it. This definitely has the blues influence written all over it. Blues is still played widely today, but doesn't have the mainstream acceptance it had a long time ago.

Heavy Metal
Helter Skelter
This song was originally an answer to "the Who" proclaiming they could make the loudest song ever. It worked. It's dirty, hard and heavy, and loud. Charles Manson loved it. The only thing missing is McCartney tearing out a fierce howl of hatred, instead his yells are more from an uprising. Still the song rocks the pants off of almost anything today. It started a wave of incredible music perfected by Ozzy and his little crew known as Black Sabbath. Today's metal bands WISH their songs sounded like Skelter.

Vaudeville
Honey Pie
McCartney loves his Vaudeville. This song is somewhat throwaway though catchy. The style is only done on stage, not really on major rock band's albums.

Hard Rock
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
Heavy as can get, this song is two riffs played to their greatest potential. Eight minutes of the same two riffs could get annoying, but this song BUILDS with each transition until finally...the great climax where the song flat out ends without warning. Just an awesome jam rocker with deep meaning. Hard rock is still very true today in different forms.

Those are just some of the genres the Beatles covered. You could say they inspired forms of rap and hip hop, but you have to really read into it.

As far as influencing a whole generation or society as we know it...noone compares to Bob Dylan. Through his songs he became the epitome of the 60's and the 70's...very few have been to match that feat.

But then again in the age of britney, and justin "suck alot" we really need a saviour

well done dementia great post

BUt by the looks of it you missed out my 3 favourite tracks COME TOGETHER, ST PEPPERS AND BLACKBIRD

The Beatles
Hendrix
Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden
Metallica
Mayhem
Nirvana
Sound Garden
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Bob Marley
The Clash
The Ramones
Sex Pistols
Rage Against the Machine
Death

rising? if you mean sounding like its being pressed out of the same mold than sure:)
Punk has been commercialised to the extent its lost its soul these days

Yea but by wanna be "punk," bands like Simple Plan and Good Charlotte. I think rap has done enough with the pimpin and the hoes and the sex and the bling bling and the gangsta style. Rap is really horrible.

Damn! We have alot of rock freaks in here.


I'm the only one who voted for rap

Can't forget Iggy Pop

Anyone here heard of the Rank and File? They were a Country/Punk band in the 80's led by Alejondro Escovedo....just friggin awsome. Coyote was my favorite tune of theirs.

Supersuckers (also Country/Punk) are my boys too.

I think rock needs to de-evolve a bit....go back to it's roots.

Most influential band on todays music , not my style but arguably Run DMC , I repeat not my style but definately the grandfathers of rap which in turn fathered such crappy styles as house , trance and drum and bass .
As for decent music of today it would have to be the jazz singers of the 50's and 60's with innoventions like scat and the ability to improvise at any given time . Not to mention the Crooners , Bing Crosby can still leave a girl weak at the knees with a key change so smooth you could wrap it round you like a fur coat .

And Gonzo

As a Musician, I can say that most genres of music do evolve constantly. I for one have been very experimental over the years. I mix all sorts of different aspects together and make music that jams, rocks and majorly kicks ass.

I write mainly rock right now. I have about 300-400 songs about love, reality, pain and imagination. All of which, have a different sound and style for each (or so I've been told). I have not made it big in the states yet, but I suspect I will get another one or two of my songs on the radio again.

My 'alter ego' is hip-hop or rap. Where I write all sorts of crazy stuff. Not about drugs, bitches, etc. all the time. It is mainly about realization, life and other crazy metaphysical aspects of this world or society. Everything in the world has sterotypical aspects, and I believe rap or hip-hop gets under-rated becuase of the mainstream crap that we all hear constantly.

Hip-hop music will evolve both ways; mainstream and underground. That is why I picked Hip-Hop on the poll. It will be around forever, mainly because of all the stuff you can say and get away with within a small amount of time. It can be crossed with any style of music and sound decent, depending on who does it (of course). I have adapted all sorts of instruments to my instrumentals, sitar, banjo, the list really goes on forever.

My most influential bands or groups are as follows..

Beatles, Grateful Dead, Phish, Incubus, Korn, Pantera, Metallica, RATM, RHCP, Nirvana, Jack Johnson, Foo Fighters, Nas, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Twista, Dispatch, Soundgarden, Audioslave, Dave Mathews Band, Rusted Root, Alice in Chains, The Doors, Led Zepplin, any Classical music. The list actually goes on forever. These are only the Mainstream Bands I know of... I love Local bands and Underground Groups or artists etc.

Basically, keep your mind open about music (all genres), because anything and everything will and can change your opinions.
Just don't form a concrete opinion about music, becuase just like your spiritual beliefs, they can and will change.

Music is my highest Interest in life, I love playing guitar and singing, as well as, writing or freestyling rap lyrics, or writing instrumentals on the computer (with live intruments). I will play and write new stuff till the day I die, promise.

Later Homies,

MC

There are several bands that have been very influential in their own way. The Beatles and Led Zeppelin have already been mentioned several times. I have not seen Pink Floyd mentioned anywhere. They have a career that spans 39 years from their beginnings. The Beatles influenced a whole range of musicians with their psychadelia (Sgt Pepper), but Floyd went on to influence other bands. They started the more underground psychadelic movement and were the first band to develop a light show to make their gigs even more of an experience.
They were always innovative with their music. Echoes is a 20 minute track that seems to represent a journey on a submarine, but can also been seen as journey into your mind (with the help of certain substances). Dark Side of the Moon is in my opinion the first true concept album. It deals with inner fears, madness, lack of communication, and the duality of life. The idea of a concept album has been copied by several bands and musicians. From Rick Wakeman to Rush, from Led Zeppelin to Muse, and even Iron Maiden.
The Wall was the biggest ever multi media concept. It was a combination of music, theatre, and film. It dealt with alienation and being so locked inside yourself because of events in life that knock you back to the point that you're no longer yourself.
Pink Floyds' music will still be played in 50 years time, just like the Beatles.
Rock music in whatever form will always come back, for the simple reason that it deals with real life. The anger about government plans and environmental issues as put to us by System of a Down in the loudest possible way as well as the fun and lightheartedness of The Darkness. It's Rock and it will always survive the pointless ramblings of some rapper declaring how fantastic he is and how much cash he has to spend, and the pap that seems to clog up the charts.

Hahaha

Technically, punk and grundge came from rock. And if you were including those, then you should have had a heavy metal section. Some of the most influential bands are The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, and Red Hot Chili Peppers. And for the one that evolves the most, I would have to say rap. It starts from crap, then goes to crappy, then goes to crappier, then so on and so forth.

Definatly the who, ACDC, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, and the stones.

evanescence kicks they rule
you might not think that but I do

Van Halen will be the monster tour of the summer!

Influential in my life are...SEETHER!!!

Have you seen or heard Roth lately? There's a reason he's relagated to doing porn burlesque in Vegas. He can't sing. Sammy is so much better it's embarrassing. If you've seen both live (sober) you'd know what I'm talking about. Either way, it's gonna be the show to see this year! !

in defense of rap...


Doesn't every song genre go over the same theme over and over again. But the thing with Rap is that tell a story - blacks tell about their 'ghetto' and whites tell about their trailer trash homes (eminem).

Rock has no meaning eg.

Red hot Chilli Peppers

By The Way...

...Steak Knife Caro Shark
Con Job Boot Cut

Skin that flick
She's such a little DJ
Get there quick
By street but not the freeway
turn that trick
to make a little leeway
Beat that nic
But not the way that we play

Dog Town Blood Bath
Rib Cage Soft Tail...


now what the hell does that mean?


notice how they rhyme their words too- Just like rap.
So rap is influential because everyone is copying them in a very unnoticable way


I have the same argument with my dad - I like my music and he likes his crappy oldies that make you go to sleep but he likes it so i guess it's personal likes and dislikes.

My Gods, looking at these post here remind me of just how old I am....

Jeesh, what ever happened to the good old bands that started Rock N Roll to begin with, like BB King, John Hooker Lee, Muddy Waters, Ella Fitzgerald, Koko Taylor, ect., ect., ect. ????

Dunno about that bathory, i agree RHCP are brilliant but personally im not a fan of the mothers milk album.

This thread is quickly turning into a "my Fav Band" thread

Though i dont particularly like hip hop that much, but its anyday better than the trashy thing we get for Pop these days. At the moment, Eminem, is the single most influential musical entity..hate it or love it, that is reality. (didnt that just rhyme?)

Some go to the extent of calling him the new age Dylan..whatever the case maybe, hip hop has come to define the 2000's..or atleast till now. Its easier to come up with influential bands if you divide the progression of music through decades..like the 90's was more of grunge..intially it started of with rap, but with the seatle based bands comming into the picture, tons of more grunge and punk bands came into the reckoning.
Again there's a very thin line between a popular band..and an influential band.

P.s...when someone says rap only contains Money,Hoe,Sex and viloence..well, so does rock music. Its a way of life, some make it sound artistic, some outright lame...

Ok dowdy find the lyrics to your favourite rapo song and i'll find the same with a rock song... and dont cheat and find a song that dosent deal with my stated rap themes and i'll do the same.

As of right now this is my favourite song. Megalomaniac also from the A Crow Left To The Murder CD would be here but its too over-played and not as good...

Incubus
Sick, Sad Little World

No you're not the first to fall apart,
but always the first one to complain.
You better get careful,
or you'll compromise everything you are.

The world is a drought when out of love.
Please come back to us you're all of the above.
I'm making a choice to be out of touch.
Leave me be he said.

He said:
Leave me here in my stark raving, sick, sad little world.
Leave me here in my stark raving, sick, sad little world.

I've never had unpaid confidantes,
its more than I would care to explain.
But I have an open door policy,
when it comes to blame.

The world is a joke when out of love.
Please come back to us you're all of the above.
I'm making a choice to be out of touch.
Leave me be he said.

He said:
Leave me here in my stark raving, sick, sad little world.
Leave me here in my stark raving, sick, sad little world.

Leave me here in my stark raving, sick, sad little world.
Leave me here in my stark raving, sick, sad little world.
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Who is the Old Fart in the Chair? If he's talking about Johnny Cash, he has no class.