palecricket1
Mar 26 2004, 02:03 AM
Here's the proof plain and simple (and to be perfectly honest I'm surprised I'm the only one to solve this blatent riddle. Do those nimrods in Yale realize a 14 year old figured out the one question that's been plagueing them for years?!). yah so anyway, matrixes have the capacity to store energy. We know that. That has been proven hundreds of thousands of millions of times over and was used in medicine in some countries in the early 1800's. The lungs, brain ventricles, and intestines are all matrixes, and oddly enough correlate exactly with the 3 energy storage fields described in Vedic/Doaist medicine. This energy, as has also been proven at least 1000000 times over, disrupts electromagnetic energy fields. If there was no way of safely routing that energy, it would hit the heart and the brain, which run off of electrical (electromagnetic) impulses (IE neurons, AV/SV nodes/perkinje fibers). Therefore without that way of safely routing that energy, the brain and heart would be rendered impossible to use shortly after birth. Therefore the brain must have a way of controlling energy and moving it safely out of the body, since no amount of tissue and protect against this field (people can sends energy beams using simlar matrixes through buildings so i doubt a little bone or muslce will do anything). If the brain can control energy (which clearly must be an involuntary function since no one conciously focuses on moving their energy away from their heart and brain) and as displayed by breathing, involuntary functions can become delegated to some extent, then it's most certainly possible that one could develop a skill for controlling their energy. Moreover, what with genetic mutations occuring so frequently, it's more than likely that one would be born with this ability. Energy can move objects, that's a fact. Look what gravity does. Look how we can levitate trains using electromagnetic energy. Look at telekinesis. If you can manipulate energy, any pychic powers are doable. Except precognition which is NOT something that can be induced except via divine intervention. That is not even pychic, it's actually a side affect that occurs most commonly when the brain collects large quantities of energy. This can occur as a result of pychic powers, or of other things. So it's not purely pychic and certainly not inductive. Just in case I've attatched an unedited video of me moving a piece of paper balanced on a pin from about 15 feet away in a windless environment. THIS IS NOT DOCTORED I assure you.
palecricket1
Mar 26 2004, 02:04 AM
oh ha lol nevermind about that last part i just realized that i can't attach files.
KayEl
Mar 26 2004, 06:17 AM
Huh???
I am lost after the first ten words.....
DarkSoul Eternal
Mar 26 2004, 07:00 AM
I agree with everything you said!!!
I beleive we can use our energy to move objects
Teleknisis etc...
can you send me the vidoe of you moving tha object?
over AIm or e mail?
im really interested to see it...
also how can you learn to use this energy?
i want to learn to move things with my mind
but people tell me its demonic..
but i think this and magic are two very different things
but yeah i want to see that video
and also if you could tell me how i can learn to
move things with my mind
that would be great!
stuart
Mar 26 2004, 09:15 AM
Hi palecricket1,
I have got to say that the points that you make are all real to me also and to be honest I think it's been widely know and accepted for thousands of years (not by everyone though!!). Im pretty sure it will be mainstream again within my livetime.
Anyway I would like to see the video too.... please email me it, I can put on the web for other to download if you like.
Also a few tips on how to do this would be good

cheers,
Stuart
Boddhi
Mar 26 2004, 09:28 AM
Utter, Utter Nonsense in my opinion!
mowo
Mar 26 2004, 10:30 AM
How on earth can you move a piece of paper off of a pin? I can understand making peoples heads implode, but a PIECE OF PAPER? not only that but one that is BALANCED PRECARIOUSLY on a PIN?
Thats the most fantastic thing I have ever heard.
You say it was in a windless environment? You live in a vacuum as well?
You truly are remarkable.
Skiwi
Mar 26 2004, 11:31 AM
well in that case it must have been lots of coincidences when i move the psi wheel. i have my mom come in to watch and i spin it crazy(no i dont breath on it) then for 10 min. my mom tries and it doesnt budge...what a coincidence eh?
mowo
Mar 26 2004, 11:44 AM
Thats incredible Skiwi.
How can anyone argue with that nugget of irrefutable evidence?
But, just in case there are STILL some non believers out there, could we please have a link to your mom?
Boddhi
Mar 26 2004, 12:09 PM
Pale, at fourteen years of age you are at a very important part of your life. Please don't waste your time convincing yourself of non existent abilities. Instead spend time thinking about the REAL world, what's happening around us and if, as you grow older, there is anything positive that can do to change things for the better.
Looking for something that is not there is not the answer.
aquatus1
Mar 26 2004, 02:13 PM
| QUOTE |
| yah so anyway, matrixes have the capacity to store energy. We know that. That has been proven hundreds of thousands of millions of times over and was used in medicine in some countries in the early 1800's. |
Well, no actually. Your entire post kind of falls apart right at the beginning. There is no proof that matrixes even exist, let alone have the capacity to store 'energy (what kind?). It has not been proven in any sort of scientific study to date.
As for psi-wheels...there was a time when they convinced me of my budding powers as a psychic as well, until I noticed that the wheel turned at times that I was not paying attention to it, or that I could duplicate my cupped hands with two pieces of curved cardboard, or that any number of different ways could be used to obtain a false reading.
I'm not entirely sure why you think those nimrods at Yale have even been thinking about these issues for any length of time, but let me assure you, if they did bother with them, they would subject these beliefs to a series of scientific tests, using rigorous methodology and monitoring, to achieve results far more credible than merely making a piece of paper spin on a needle. Why haven't such studies been produced? Because, to date, when all physical causes of perceived movement are removed, no paranatural powers step in to take their place.
To paraphrase a favorite movie of mine "You use the word 'proven' a lot. I do not think it means what you think it means."
WorkMonkey
Mar 26 2004, 02:44 PM
You are talking about the brains energy affecting things that are connected to it, that are part of the same thing, the brains energy is sent through nerves to the corresponding organ, this is not the same as being able to control and completely seperate entity that your brain is in no way connected to.
PsychicPenguin
Mar 26 2004, 04:52 PM
Energy... matrixes... WTF???
Sorry... that's not a proof. Psi is still unexplained.
Anyway.. aquatus.. I found your post rather disturbing.
| QUOTE |
| As for psi-wheels...there was a time when they convinced me of my budding powers as a psychic as well, until I noticed that the wheel turned at times that I was not paying attention to it, or that I could duplicate my cupped hands with two pieces of curved cardboard, or that any number of different ways could be used to obtain a false reading. |
You have an unexplained phenomena right there... it doesn't matter wether it is telekinetic or not, but how the psi-wheel turns is unexplained.
mowo
Mar 26 2004, 04:58 PM
I like to refer to it as 'air'
PsychicPenguin
Mar 26 2004, 06:03 PM
| QUOTE (mowo @ Mar 26 2004, 04:58 PM) |
| I like to refer to it as 'air' |
Psi wheels cannot be rotated by wind. Wind tends to turn it into an equilibrium position or knocked it off the base rather than makes it rotates continuously.
STIX
Mar 26 2004, 08:25 PM
| QUOTE (palecricket1 @ Mar 25 2004, 07:03 PM) |
1) Here's the proof plain and simple 2) brain ventricles are matrixes and oddly enough correlate exactly with the 3 energy storage fields. 2) If there was no way of safely routing that energy, it would hit the heart and the brain, which run off of electrical impulses. Therefore without that way of safely routing that energy, the brain and heart would be rendered impossible to use shortly after birth.
3)Moreover, what with genetic mutations occuring so frequently, it's more than likely that one would be born with this ability.
4)Energy can move objects, that's a fact. Look what gravity does. 5)Look how we can levitate trains using electromagnetic energy. 6)Look at telekinesis.
7)I've attatched an unedited video of me moving a piece of paper balanced on a pin from about 15 feet away in a windless environment. THIS IS NOT DOCTORED I assure you. |
I will argue all the points you have made.
1) this offers no proof, it is simply your theory of how things may work, there is no evidence to support your claim.
2) There are 4 connected Ventricles within your brain, they are continuous with the central canal of the spinal cord and contain cerebrospinal fluid, there is no energy here.
3)genetic mutations very rarely are positive and almost always result in a miscarrige, there would be a 1 in ten billion chance (thats ten million million) of a positive mutation occuring and even then there is no saying what the mutation would be.
4) Gravity is a result of a massive attracting charge created by a huge mass of atoms situated so close together, the forces at play here are in no way related to the energy you are describing.
5) this is also a result of opposing charges, which again have no relation to your point.
6) this is a phenomenon that no one has solidly proven or yet understands therefore is a bad argument for you to use.
7) in order to balance something on a point of a pin you need to find the exact center point in which the mass on all sides of the pin are equal, the force of gravity has to be pulling down on all sides of the paper equally, this is very difficult to achieve and there can also be illusions of this happening where it would seem balanced but would fall over after about 15 seconds or so, just because it looks balanced doesnt mean that on an atomic level it is balanced.
Because of these points I have made I can conclude that this post is in no way proof of anything. It is merely the result of some deviated mind which believes it knows more than it actually does.
but hey, dont get discouraged, think of it as constructive criticism.
STIX
Mar 26 2004, 09:00 PM
| QUOTE (STIX @ Mar 26 2004, 01:25 PM) |
[QUOTE=palecricket1,Mar 25 2004, 07:03 PM] 1) Here's the proof plain and simple 2) brain ventricles are matrixes and oddly enough correlate exactly with the 3 energy storage fields. 2) If there was no way of safely routing that energy, it would hit the heart and the brain, which run off of electrical impulses. Therefore without that way of safely routing that energy, the brain and heart would be rendered impossible to use shortly after birth. |
DAMNIT!!! I didnt check my post
anyway, the second number 2 is here: all nerve impulses are transfered using chemical energy and that doesnt need to be dissipated in any way shape or form
aquatus1
Mar 26 2004, 10:57 PM
Penguin
Maybe we are talking about different things. I thought a psi wheel was (basically) a square piece of paper creased from corner to corner and balanced on the point of a needle.
This is what I used. Originally, I would cup my hands about four inches away from the wheel and think about generating a 'psi ball' (I hadn't heard of any of these terms back then. I just called it a pinwheel and 'the force'). Every time I did this, the thing would spin. A little later, I began to do actual experiments and found that by using the previously mentioned methods, the wheel spun as well. Using smoke from an incense stick, I found that it was air traveling around my hand that was turning the wheel.
PsychicPenguin
Mar 27 2004, 12:42 AM
OK.. sorry.. actually I made a wrong assumption

and my psi-wheel was bad

Anyway.. whatever turned your psi-wheel is not the air moving arround your hand... I found it very unlikely. I'l post my findings later.... and have you find the source of the wind?
aquatus1
Mar 27 2004, 03:03 AM
Yes, the smoke is what gave it away by letting me track the movement of the wind. It was a vortex effect in which a source of warmth (my hand or the table) moved the existing air in the 'cup' upwards, causing air to move in through the gaps at either end of my hands or of the curved pieces of cardboard, causing the wheel to run.
I tried to isolate it by putting a clear plastic tumbler over it, and the wheel did turn, but when I sealed the bottom, the wheel no longer turned.
ravenscall
Mar 27 2004, 07:15 AM
This is cool... but, I can only hope you've sent your finding into those " nimrods " over at Yale !
PsychicPenguin
Mar 27 2004, 09:29 AM
That's interesting... I still could not reproduce the effect though.
If I picture your setup correctly... it should look like a full circle with two gaps. Then from which gap the air actually moved in? If the setup is symetrical then we would expect the air moved in from both gap, and left from the center of the cardboard... creating no net rotation.
Also tables and cardboards normally do not generate heat... did you do it under the sun? And are you sure that your smoke was not warmer than the surrounding air, creating a false reading of upward motion?
Also free convection is generally weak, and I found the boundary layer is only 1 inch thick and should not affect something 4 inches away. Other than that I found that creating free vortex with air is rather hard, and even blowing into the system does not turn the wheel very well. Did you confirm the existance of the vortex?
In the last case where you managed to stop the wheel.. where exactly did you put the seal?
aquatus1
Mar 27 2004, 03:11 PM
Yes, the air came from both gaps. Due to the vortex effect, the air rotated in the cup formed by my hand or the cardboard, then left from the top. The wheel rotated due to the circulating air. Blowing into it would actually disrupt the vortex, as the force of the air entering would push straight to the center instead of circulating around the edges.
My desk was right in front of my window, so it heated up as a result. The cardboard concentrated that area of heat upwards instead of letting it spread out like the rest of the desk.
PsychicPenguin
Mar 27 2004, 06:09 PM
It's turning into a fluid mechanics thread.

We managed to hijack it

Blowing into it actually created a vortex (confirmed by spreading small pieces off paper inside). I blew against the circular surface and not straight through the gap. The wheel did not turn very well. I suspected the problem lies in the boundary layer, that only air close enough to the circular wall actually moved. This is also visible from the pieces of paper. So I created a larger wheel with its 4 corners close enough to the wall, and this time I made it rotates. Even though smaller radius increases the angular velocity towards the center, the linear velocity actually decreases.
I guess this boundary layer effect should not exist if you heated up the entire table. So did you find that the smoke moved with higher angular velocity towards the center? And how fast was it?
aquatus1
Mar 27 2004, 07:15 PM
Hee hee, thread pirates! ;-)
Well, i had no way of measuring it back then (this was about ten years ago), but the smoke was not moving very fast at all. The smoke was more interested in moving away from the heat of the incense stick. I had to maneuver the smoke a bit till it cooled down enough to just wander along the surface of the desk. In all cases, the smoke only wafted in a circular fashion, fairly disproportionate to the speed the wheel was going in. I expected the smoke to move a bit faster when it moved past the wheel, but other than a quick zig-zag around it, it remained at the same speed.
Xenojjin
Mar 27 2004, 07:35 PM
I have tried reproducing an effect like agustus said by trying to find ways to get the wheel to move without using any psi . As far as I can see , the wheel may nudge a bit if left alone , and if you move your hands in and out on it it will move a bit by itself as well . It seems that I cannot reproduce the smooth movement I get when I do use psi . The best I get is when I deliberatly blow on it , in which case the movement is harsh and often the wheel falls off ... it doesnt spin as if it wa being mechanically propelled as it seems when you do use psi .
PsychicPenguin
Mar 27 2004, 08:11 PM
Thanks aquatus.. that's was what we all expected. Free convection gives very slow flow. And what did you mean with:
| QUOTE |
| In all cases, the smoke only wafted in a circular fashion, fairly disproportionate to the speed the wheel was going in. |
You did not say that the wheel moved faster than the air, did you?

Xenojjin:
The best way to turn the psi-wheel using aerodynamic is by blowing from top-front of the wheel at an angel parallel to the surface of on of the wheel's side, and directed towards the adjacent side. By doing this you reduce the pressure on the side parallel to the wind, and increase the pressure on the side normal to the wind, creating a net moment. The wheel will turn smoothly, and you can easily control the speed. However it isvery unlikely to induce this movement while breathing normally. Most psi-wheel cases are still unexplained
aquatus1
Mar 28 2004, 04:04 AM
Well, yes, actually. Not that it was psi or anything, it's just that I didn't expect such slowly moving air to turn a wheel quite so quickly.
You know what, I am intrigued. It occurs to me that it might not be a bad idea to replicate my youthful experiments, with a bit more experience added. I'm going to set up a new psi-wheel experiment, in several stages, with controls, and increasing levels of physical isolation.
Keep an eye open for a future thread from me; I'll post my finding s as they occur.
PsychicPenguin
Mar 28 2004, 04:39 AM

That's an unexplained phenomena
Are you sure that the smoke trace was close enough to the wheel's surface? You know... in a vortex, while the linear velocity decreases to the center, the angular velocity actualy increases due to smaller radius.
Babs
Mar 28 2004, 04:40 AM
I think it is energy that moves things in pk. I think it is something different in precognitive dreams as you said.
palecricket1
Apr 1 2004, 02:36 AM
wow i got more replies than i expected

. Ok well anyway, you can argue all you like, but it won't change the truth. Ventricles in the brain, according to CSE, take energy from the environment and radiate it. Why? it's a matrix and that's what matrixes do. Don't believe me? Take it up with physics. The body emits energy. Still don't believe me?
observe this kirlian photograph clearly displaying a projection of energy from the body.
http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/kirlian-fi...ingerprints.jpg there are a million others just like that. Obeserve this one of a simple pyramid matrix:
http://www.dowsing.com/Pyramid/pyener.htm Still a skeptic?? well than that's your decision. I can say no more if you refuse to face the truth. Quote by Boddhi:Pale, at fourteen years of age you are at a very important part of your life. Please don't waste your time convincing yourself of non existent abilities. Instead spend time thinking about the REAL world, what's happening around us and if, as you grow older, there is anything positive that can do to change things for the better.
Looking for something that is not there is not the answer."
I fully concure. This IS real. I can already contruct a very small scale free energy generator off the principles of CSE. In time, I'm hoping by around 2007, i will have a larger version comparable to those used in electric companies. By creating a free and enviromentally friendly generator, I will conquer industry. What does all industry require? electricity. What does every electric company want? cheaper, more efficiant generators/fuel. So without fuel and with efficiant generators yearly leased to them, i will soon be sitting in the lap of luxuary laughing meniacly at everyone who once belittled me. No, I'm not trying to take over the world (as some people have accused me). I'm simply trying to make the world a better place and enlighten everyone on the truth. If you wish to further argue, you can either post here or email me at palecricket2@yahoo.com or join my forum at www.palepsiforum.clicdev.com
palecricket1
Apr 1 2004, 02:52 AM
| QUOTE (aquatus1 @ Mar 26 2004, 03:13 PM) |
Well, no actually. Your entire post kind of falls apart right at the beginning. There is no proof that matrixes even exist, let alone have the capacity to store 'energy (what kind?). It has not been proven in any sort of scientific study to date.
As for psi-wheels...there was a time when they convinced me of my budding powers as a psychic as well, until I noticed that the wheel turned at times that I was not paying attention to it, or that I could duplicate my cupped hands with two pieces of curved cardboard, or that any number of different ways could be used to obtain a false reading. |
problems here:
1) matrixes do exist. how can you argue otherwise? Do you even KNOW what a matrix is???? if you're thinking about the movie, you're mistaken. Think about a honeycomb or a sponge. That's a more appropriate model of a matrix. Now if you're implying sponges don't exist... And as per the fact that they lack the capacity to store energy, how, pray tell, do you otherwise explain the dumbfounding experiences of Viktor Grebbenikov? He did, after all, strap a bunch of micromatrixes found in insects togeather and from it created a platform that shot up in the air on a blast of energy. He flew up to the tops of factory smoke stacks and beyond, only landing due to an ingenious system he created. Furthermore, he found that the energy emitted caused bizzare electromagnetic disturbances, causing viewers to see him distorted. Some even claimed he looked like a flying saucer. He's apparently very renowned in Russia, i guess it just hasn't really caught on too much in the US s per industry, probably because it interferes with photons/electrons so much.
2) My post does not fall apart at that point, first of all for the above stated and second of all for the cold hard proof that i have. If anyone want's it I have video proof (note that i assure you i have not edited them at all) of how a matrix screws up electromagnetic fields and causes intermitent white flashes to occur in my camera. I also have a video of how this energy can move a psiwheel. Email me if you want them, I do, however, have a little bandwith problem so it may take a while for me to get the files to you.
3) the reason why the psiwheel moved for you when you didn't focus on it was because your subconcious was still focused on moving it even when conciously you weren't thinking about it. The cardboard creates an matrix (plus cardboard is a matrix anyway) that causes the wheel to turn.
Oh and anyone who requires more proof and doesn't live local enough to meet me face-to-face, i can send you my psi diary with all my entries. I have first hand experienced precognition, clairvoyance/clairaudiance/telepathy/empathy, TK, Pyrokinesis, Cryokinesis (i have a video of me putting out a match too) and others. MANY others.
palecricket1
Apr 1 2004, 03:01 AM
| QUOTE (WorkMonkey @ Mar 26 2004, 03:44 PM) |
| You are talking about the brains energy affecting things that are connected to it, that are part of the same thing, the brains energy is sent through nerves to the corresponding organ, this is not the same as being able to control and completely seperate entity that your brain is in no way connected to. |
no no no you misunderstand. the old theory that psi was the energy in the nerves is total bull. Impulses are simply a wavelike change of charges from the inside of a neruon to the outside of the neuron and back. it has an electromagnetic field (plus brain and spinal tissues have been found to have very small magnets in them much like the ones in birds and lobsters) but that isn't the energy I'm talking about. Electrons can be broken down into photons, which are force particles. I'm referring to superstrings, which compose force particles.
The vibration pattern of this energy causes it to INTERFERE with the electromagnetic fields of neurons and causes them to malfunction, either temporarily stimulating or anesthetizing them. That's why acupuncture works; it disrupts the flow of energy in the body thus making the nerves go wacko. So anyway, because this energy screws up nerves and anything running off of electromagnetic charges/impulses (ie heart, liver, capillaries, etc.), it has to be safely vented from the body. Here enter the chakras, which do just that. Since the body has the ability to move (route) energy, it can move energy outside the body and use it to move things and do other stuff.
palecricket1
Apr 1 2004, 03:05 AM
oh and one more thing: I'd reccomend reading "the elegent universe" by Brian Greene and "My World" by Viktor Grebennikov. Those are very good books on the topic of energy.
palecricket1
Apr 1 2004, 03:40 AM
| QUOTE (STIX @ Mar 26 2004, 09:25 PM) |
1) this offers no proof, it is simply your theory of how things may work, there is no evidence to support your claim.
2) There are 4 connected Ventricles within your brain, they are continuous with the central canal of the spinal cord and contain cerebrospinal fluid, there is no energy here.
3)genetic mutations very rarely are positive and almost always result in a miscarrige, there would be a 1 in ten billion chance (thats ten million million) of a positive mutation occuring and even then there is no saying what the mutation would be.
4) Gravity is a result of a massive attracting charge created by a huge mass of atoms situated so close together, the forces at play here are in no way related to the energy you are describing.
5) this is also a result of opposing charges, which again have no relation to your point.
6) this is a phenomenon that no one has solidly proven or yet understands therefore is a bad argument for you to use.
7) in order to balance something on a point of a pin you need to find the exact center point in which the mass on all sides of the pin are equal, the force of gravity has to be pulling down on all sides of the paper equally, this is very difficult to achieve and there can also be illusions of this happening where it would seem balanced but would fall over after about 15 seconds or so, just because it looks balanced doesnt mean that on an atomic level it is balanced.
Because of these points I have made I can conclude that this post is in no way proof of anything. It is merely the result of some deviated mind which believes it knows more than it actually does.
but hey, dont get discouraged, think of it as constructive criticism. |
wrong. Gravity is the NOT caused by a gathering of matter. See this is just what i mean: you don't even fully comprehend physics, so how can you say you're right on a matter that pertains largely to that topic. Gravity is caused by the force particles gravitons. They are, according to M-theory, full strings that are not bound to the membrane of the universe. Since i don't have the space to explain all of M theory, you'll have to read "the elegent universe" if you want a more in depth explaination of it.
I understand what the ventricles are. I understand what they do. And i also undertand that as a byproduct they release energy because they form a matrix. see the above posts for more info on that.
Good point on genetic mutations, i threw that one in for the heck of it. Personally I'm no genetesist so I'm not going to argue against you until i become one.
If noone has been able to prove this then i ask you why people use technology based on this for all kinds of stuff from microscopes sharpening knives??
As per maglevs just being a result of opposing charges... you really mustn't understand physics at all. opposing charges are a blatent display of how electromagnetic force moves things. Now if electromagnetic force can affect matter, than clearly certain vibration patterns of energy can affect matter. Therefore it's fully feasable that a certain such energy exists in humans.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND: If anything i said here sounded a little... agressive or anything of that sort, please don't take it personal, i'm not trying to belittle you or anything, i'm just trying to get you to realize that things can still be true even if they don't make sense to you, especially when no one knows anything anyway except the axiums (which i consider pychic powers to be included in). Taking AP physics in High School just won't cut it, they leave out a ton of stuff that's vital to understanding the universe. I think i'll take your advice and take it all as constructive critisism and I will NEVER get discouraged because i know that i'm right.
aquatus1
Apr 1 2004, 04:48 PM
Wow...just...wow.
You seem to be certain that these two examples are proof positive of powers that we cannot understand. You are so certain of this that you cannot conceive of anybody seeing this and being able to refute it; anybody who does must be in denial.
There is the difference between the faithful, who are satisfied with the notion that something
might exist, and the skeptics, who need a logical inference before accepting claims defying explanation.
You claim that kirilian photography clearly displays a projection of energy from the body. If you were a skeptic, your first reaction would be: What kind of energy is it? By investigating the process by which a K-photo is taken, you learn that the object being photographed needs to be surrounded by a high-voltage energy field. Since you seem to have a (passing) familiarity with physics, it suddenly occurs to you 'Anytime we have an object surrounded by high-voltages, we will have a Corona Effect'. Sure enough, when we take the picture, we see the tell-tale ionization of the air surrounding the object. But maybe we are wrong. Maybe it is not ionization, maybe it is a paranormal power of which we are unaware of. So we perform another test to eliminate the possibility of the Corona Effect. We repeat the process, this time in a vaccum. With no air to ionize, the corona will not form, however, this should not deter any sort of internally generated 'aura'. Again the picture is taken, but there is no 'energy' radiating from the object. It seems that the Kirilian effect occurs when all the requirements for a Corona Discharge are met, but not when they are not. By Occam's Razor, we can conclude that instead of being an identical, but parallel power, it is instead, an already well explained and documented phenomena, commonly used in physics experiments.
Your second example is downright naive. You give a link to an ADVERTISEMENT as proof that little ceramic pyramids can be used for all sorts of power experiments. I could tell you of all the pyramidology experiments I have done, all the reports I have read, but to be perfectly frank, this isn't even worthy of the effort. Why?
Because what they are selling, for $60.00 a pop, are Heat Dissipators for fire-powered boilers!
Fore heavens sake, if you truly feel the need to shop, go here:
Home Depot/Grills/BriquetsYou'll find the same type of briquets made for home use and quite a bit cheaper.
Look, PaleCricket, if you want to believe in the paranatural, by all means, go ahead. I want to believe with all my heart, but I refuse to delude myself by not researching every claim for less esoteric explanations. The field of parapsychology has enough investigators whose shoddy research and unfounded assumption bring down the credibility of the very little valid research that does exist. As was mentioned before, you lack a great deal of experience. The sooner you accept that and learn from the opposing theories to the ones you present, the sooner you will be able to gain credibility as a researcher.
Babs
Apr 1 2004, 07:16 PM
palecricket1...
| QUOTE |
| The vibration pattern of this energy, causes it to INTERFERE with the elecromagnetic fields of neurons and causes it to malfunction, either temporarily stimulating or anesthetizing them....................the body has the ability to move (route) energy, it can move energy outside the body and use it to move things and do other stuff. |
Does this mean that you can use this energy or that this energy is capable of affecting objects (outside the body) by stimulating them to work, or anesthetizing them, making them malfunction? Can you make an object malfunction 50 feet away... or even miles away?
"use it to move things and do other stuff"....what other stuff? Could you tell us a little more about this?
Have others performed these experiments ( flying to rooftops) that Viktor did?
Babs
Apr 1 2004, 07:19 PM
palecricket1...
The things you have said make sense to me as I have had paranormal experiences and this is the closest anyone has come to putting all of this together.
palecricket1
Apr 3 2004, 03:34 AM
| QUOTE (aquatus1 @ Apr 1 2004, 05:48 PM) |
There is the difference between the faithful, who are satisfied with the notion that something might exist, and the skeptics, who need a logical inference before accepting claims defying explanation.
You claim that kirilian photography clearly displays a projection of energy from the body. If you were a skeptic, your first reaction would be: What kind of energy is it? By investigating the process by which a K-photo is taken, you
Your second example is downright naive. You give a link to an ADVERTISEMENT as proof that little ceramic pyramids can be used for all sorts of power experiments. I could tell you of all the pyramidology experiments I have done, all the reports I have read, but to be perfectly frank, this isn't even worthy of the effort. Why?
Because what they are selling, for $60.00 a pop, are Heat Dissipators for fire-powered boilers!
Fore heavens sake, if you truly feel the need to shop, go here:
Home Depot/Grills/Briquets
You'll find the same type of briquets made for home use and quite a bit cheaper.
Look, PaleCricket, if you want to believe in the paranatural, by all means, go ahead. I want to believe with all my heart, but I refuse to delude myself by not researching every claim for less esoteric explanations. The field of parapsychology has enough investigators whose shoddy research and unfounded assumption bring down the credibility of the very little valid research that does exist. As was mentioned before, you lack a great deal of experience. The sooner you accept that and learn from the opposing theories to the ones you present, the sooner you will be able to gain credibility as a researcher. |
Ok sorry about that one i was actually aiming for a much much MUCH better picture from a website that was displayed a ton of data on it, it was real (i tested some of the stuff they were talking about and found it to be true), but i was pressed for time when i was typing the post and i couldn't find the site so i just searched google and took the first thing i found.
Ok so anyway, i am NOT in denial. I have listened to other theories, and i have disproved them. You see, i am holding back about 90% of all the data I have on this; everything supporting this theory and disproving the others. The only reason i don't share it is because 1) you'd never believe me, it's more a thing you have to experience yourself to comprehend 2) it would take way too long to type it all, that's why i'm writing a book on it. 3) i'm having trouble getting out what i'm feeling and thinking, so rather than confuse you all and risk giving you a wrong impression, i'd rather just skip it for now. However, i will share this: if you could feel what i feel, know what i know, see what i see, and experience what i experience, you'd know too that i am right. Believe me or not, I can see auras. i can see how they fluctuate. I can feel and move energy, I know it's not all in my head because it affects people, animals, and electrical devices like my computer and TV. I can read thoughts send thoughts. I can send images and sounds, sometimes i have thought really hard inside my head my father's name and then he turns and looks at me perplexed. It's the same way with my cats. I have leviatated. I have altered my weight by altering bodily matrixes and thus increasing the flow of energy to the feet and decreasing the weight of the body by lifting it up a little. I lost three pounds doing this once over a very short period of time. I have had Outer body experiences (OBE) and also i have been attacked by (please don't call me skitzo or anything else of that sort) some sort of entity which i believe to be a demon. hey when your bed shakes out of no where in the middle the night and you feel small feet walking all over you and then you sense its energy and later see a red cloud flying around your room, and when i sticks its energy through your foot and it has a spasm and flies up in the air... you start to believe in these things. Anyway, it's genetic because everyone in my family has some sort of ability, I'm just the first to develop it. Since my mom and dad's lines both have differnet abilities, i get them all; i was born with all pychic abilities at low levels. And the list of my experiences goes on and on. Also, my aunt once visited a yogi as a child and he remarked that she had special powers. I have a distinct connection to my aunt and we have very similar abilities even though i am more powerful

anyway, as it is now apparent, i'm not in denile, my experiences have convinced me that i am correct. If only you could see the world through my eyes...
palecricket1
Apr 3 2004, 03:42 AM
babs
according to the Chaos theory, a fully legit mathematical theory that i stumbled across (but not come up with) in seventh grade while examing how bizzare triangles are... anyway, it states that an energy field never ends. So in theory, it's fully feasable that you could affect (even in the most minute manor) even the farthest star in the cosmos. This is that interesting experiment that i did in seventh grade: if you take a right isoceles triangle, ( /|) and pull the top angle so that it stretches both sides, the remaining acute angle will increase at a relatively predictable and uniform rate but then will alter its rate of increase and never reach 90*. It can only be at maximum 89.9 repeating degrees. I later read about the Chaos theory and connected the dots. It makes sense too. Think about the universe as a bunch of marbles packed tightly togeather. each marble is a superstring. If you are the ten marbles at the far right hand side, and you move one marble over the left, then even the marble on the far left hand side will move in a chain reaction (one marble pushes the next which pushes the next...). I see no reason why it shouldn't apply to the actual universe.
palecricket1
Apr 3 2004, 03:56 AM
| QUOTE (Babs @ Apr 1 2004, 08:16 PM) |
"use it to move things and do other stuff"....what other stuff? Could you tell us a little more about this?
Have others performed these experiments ( flying to rooftops) that Viktor did? |
let's say there is a box in front of you. if you have enough control over your energy, you can move the box by pushing your energy at it. But it's not limited to just matter. That is, according to my neoclassification, the Delta level of kinetics (moving matter). There is still the alpha through gamma levels of kinetics before it, and even a theoretical level beyond it that has to do with moving branes (Not brains, search the net on M theory for more info, note: also called membranes). The alpha level is moving superstrings, the beta level is moving force particles, and the gamma moving subatomic particles. There comes problem, though, when we start to include the possibility of moving sparticles and other such things, so i may have to correct the system so don't get too attachted.
Viktor was genious; he was a fool. He made these great discoveries, but left no name as to the species of bee he found this in. It was a rare endangered species that was not aerodynamic enough to fly excpet using the CSE emators in their wing covers. Whether or not strong emanators such as those exist in other insects is unknown. He left no name of the insect for fear that they would be killed off for their wing covers (as an enatamologist he sympathized for them). One day he was flying and, like on most flights, he encountered some problems with winds. But this time, he crashed and shattered his device. There was little remaining from his device and supposedly he died in the eighties (it could just be a clever coverup though, you never know) anyway, i've found another grebennikov in south africa who's also an entamologist, I'm going to contact him to see if he knows anything useful (if he's even related or possibly Viktor himself under a new name). So no, no one else has done it since he crashed. Nevertheless, there are the witnesses and the photographs, plus a list of other CSE emantors that, though not strong enough to lift up a vehicle, were strong enough to move objects and do other stuff. When i get the results from an experiment i'm running on the effects of CSE on plant growth and other such experiments, I'll post them here. Oh but wait... one could say that UFO's use CSE emantors, since the aftermath of UFO landings is very VERY similar to that of strong CSE emantors and since Viktor's craft was mistaken for a UFO thus making it possible for any CSE powerd craft, alien or otherwise, to be mistook for a flying saucer.
aquatus1
Apr 3 2004, 02:37 PM
Well, Palecricket, as I said before, if the only person you are trying to convince is yourself, then more power to you. However, you have said nothing in your last two posts that I have not heard hundreds of times before from other people. I have also seen videos of these people demonstrating their powers, and I have been present at a few demonstrations as well. My personal favorite was a case of a man being hypnotised and told that he was about to tell us his account of the UFO abduction he had just experienced. When he was brought out of hypnosis, he proceeded to weave an incredible tale involving greys, government conspiracies, testing on spaceships, and other incredibly detailed accounts of his experiences. He absolutely refused to believe it hadn't happened, even after he was shown the tape of him being instructed in what he was going to do. The power of the mind to convince itself of something is truly astounding.
If you are planning to publish a book, you are effectively submitting your work for evaluation. Know that it will be read and critiqued by many skeptics and debunkers. If the first thing they see is a lack of scientific methodology, they will automatically lump it with the many hundreds of other books written off as junk science. It won't even have a chance in the scientific community. If you have no problem with your book finding a place in the New Age section of the bookstore, then you have no problems. Do not, however, expect your data to be taken seriously. Anecdotal evidence means precisely diddly in the world of statistics and measurements, and 'feelings', no matter how strong, do not lead to reality. There have been too many scientists who passionately beleived in their individual theories, who spent their lives searching for elusive proof, but never finding it, to lend credence to that argument.
In short, you are correct in your assumption that I would not believe you. I do not believe people, I believe evidence and data. I would, be willing to look at your results with an unbiased eye and evaluate them for validity, controversial or otherwise, but I suspect that if the results did not match up to your expectations, then You would not Believe me. My own beliefs in the paranormal and supernatural give me hope that there is something beyond that which we currently understand, but until I have valid evidence, I will never use my personal beliefs and feelings to present a case and expect it to be considered credible.
Skiwi
Apr 3 2004, 05:42 PM
hey man about that whole demon attacking u and all that stuff...did it ever just hit you that it was in night and you woke up..and just MAYBE you could of hallucinated? not everything that happens has a paranormal reason, im glad your doing all this research and stuff, but sometimes you have to think real.
good luck thouhg
palecricket1
Apr 3 2004, 08:08 PM
| QUOTE (Skiwi @ Apr 3 2004, 06:42 PM) |
| and just MAYBE you could of hallucinated? |
See, this is exactly why i hesitated to include this stuff. As for it being a hallucination... just wait until you have one of these experiences, then try calling it a hallucination. It's one thing to be hallucinating, but it's an entirely other thing when it really happens, especially since someone else experienced the exact same thing. Group hallucinations? no likely.
palecricket1
Apr 3 2004, 08:29 PM
| QUOTE (aquatus1 @ Apr 3 2004, 03:37 PM) |
If you are planning to publish a book, you are effectively submitting your work for evaluation. Know that it will be read and critiqued by many skeptics and debunkers. If the first thing they see is a lack of scientific methodology, they will automatically lump it with the many hundreds of other books written off as junk science. I would, be willing to look at your results with an unbiased eye and evaluate them for validity, controversial or otherwise, but I suspect that if the results did not match up to your expectations, then You would not Believe me. My own beliefs in the paranormal and supernatural give me hope that there is something beyond that which we currently understand, but until I have valid evidence, I will never use my personal beliefs and feelings to present a case and expect it to be considered credible. |
Oh i understand that people won't take me seriously, but i know that many will. I have been able to convince even people with careers in science beyond the shadow of a doubt that this stuff is for real. Furthermore, i have confirmed the validity of my theories with other scientists. Plus, i'm not releasing the book until around 2007, at which point i should have ample data to support it. At the moment i am at a lack of data since my funds have recently been reduced to about $15 and the chance of my school suporting me is not very likely. Nevertheless, I may be able to get approval by the IRB using a loophole to disguise my work as an experiment for the Intel science fair or an independent studies experiment. I'm saving up for equipment to use for experiments as well as for lab rentals in local universities. I have tons of data, but most of it's theoretical. once i have the money and equipment, I'll start doing the actual experiments to prove my theoretical data. I have no intentions of including anecdotal evidence, which is exactly why i held off on including it in my posts. But science its self amounts to diddly in reality. There is still logic, mathematics, and reality its self that lead to the aquisition of knowledge. If you're not going to listen to your feelings, you're shutting out your subconcious (which is far more intelligent than you may realize) and so you are drastically limiting yourself. You need to be openminded and ready to learn in order to understand reality. Nevertheless, I understand your need for credible evidence, and who's to say experiences aren't credible, even if only to yourself? Anyway, I'm not sure if you were implying this, but i have not hypnotized myself first of all because i'm clueless as to the first thing about hypnosis and second of all because the second i have one of these experiences i type it down in my electronic organizer, which is dated so i have the exact date and time that i posted it. Thus i have a record of my experience from exactly when i had it, and the chances of me hypontizing myself within a matter of seconds is highy unlikely.
If I should find proof in my studies that a part of my theory is wrong, i will amend it. That is, afterall, how my theory was started. What i have posted was largely what i know for a fact based on experiments and data and statisics. I will post those results when i find the hyperlink. I can get you the data when i perform the experiments, and as per the data that i already have, email me for details.
aquatus1
Apr 3 2004, 10:41 PM
You're right, I wasn't saying that you had hypnotised yourself; that was simply to demonstrate the minds ability to concoct fantasy with as much ease as reality. Also, I never said I didn't listen to my feelings; after all, why am I in this forum? I simply do not use them as part of of my methodology.
I do wish you the best of luck in your experiments. Out of curiosity, are most of them concerning antigravity or do they generaly cover all paranormal abilities?
Babs
Apr 3 2004, 11:59 PM
palecricket....that's exactly what I was thinking reading your post....UFO's!
Please keep us posted and continue to tell us what you think.
Babs
Apr 4 2004, 02:13 AM
| QUOTE |
| But science itself amounts to diddly in reality. There is logic, mathematics and reality itself that leads to the acquisition of knowledge. If you're not going to listen to your feelings, you're shutting out your subconscious (which is far more intelligent than you realize) and so you are drastically limiting yourself. You need to open minded and ready to learn in order to understand reality. |
Well said. I agree with you 100%.

You also said that you will be seeing comments as constructive criticism. This is good; don't let anyone keep you from posting what you discover. We all need to read this information and learn.
You talked about precognitive dreams...what can you tell me about these? I have them, too. You said something about divine intervention.
I interfere with electrical things, too....among other things that I have done or should I say has happened to me. These things just 'happen' to me, I can't control them. I wish I could; I am at a loss as to what all of this means.
Venomshocker
Apr 4 2004, 07:54 AM
| QUOTE |
| I can already construct a very small scale free energy generator off the principles of CSE. |
How exactly are you doing this?? Are you claiming you can produce more energy than you put in?
saidanddone
Apr 4 2004, 09:02 AM
Email it to me too!
crammitgandy@yahoo.comalso, with precognition, you can only see all of the possible outcomes.
due to the randomness of science and the application of free will, there is not a set future. Unless.....you have the ideaology that we WILL ALWAYS end up at 1 certain place, at one pre-determined conclusion, and nothing we could do would alter our fate. I don't know about you guys, but if we DO NOT have our destiny, our entire life, laid out at birth, then EVEN GOD does NOT have that power. That is just something that you cannot do in that kind of situation. No one has that power if fate is nonexistant. thats like saying 2+2=13.451 ;
it makes no sense.at all.