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PrettyAndCorrupt
Well, as some (or most) of you know (because I wrote about it earlier) I often have dreams or visions of God.
I made a thread earlier inquiring about my psychic "visions" and I added that whatever I pray for..comes true. Im not sure what I believe about my dreams..I would say they come from an overactive imagination except for a dream my cousin had..well..let me give an example.

I am a devout worshipper of Kalika (on the icon). I often have dreams about her..the same dream over and over again.
In my dream I am living somewhere different amidst people I do not know. I am very unhappy in the dream. At some point someone tells me there is a visitor at the door for me. I go and it is a very dark skinned girl with matted dreded hair pulled up on top of her head. She looks very hoboish (if thats a word) except for a brilliant gold circular nose ring. I always ask her who she is..and she responds "Kali." I never believe her. So I tell her to prove it to me..prove to me that she is Kali. Well..she takes me to my room and opens up a bottom drawer on my dresser drawers. She says she is pulling out prayers. She names off the prayers as she pulls them out..giving a description of each. Now..each of the prayers she pulls are things I have actually prayed for..they are all from times I have actually (in real life) prayed about. I start crying as she recites the prayers to me and I apologize over and over again for doubting her. She then says this:
"You think I am not there..but I am always there."
At that time I wake up in a cold sweat with tears coming from my eyes.

I could write this off as something subconcious..but heres the other strange thing..
My cousin, whom is 12 years old, once told me had a dream about a "demon" dancing in my kitchen. He is VERY VERY scared and skittish about everything but he told that in the dream..he was not scared. I asked him if this demon was male or female..and he told me female. I thought about showing him a picture of Kali..but I didnt want to taint his memories so I asked him what she looked like. He gave me a description that fits Kali to a tee so then I showed him the picture..he then told me thats the "demon" that was dancing in my kitchen.
Before that..he knew NOTHING of Kali, or my religion/faith. He never knew her name, etc etc. All of this was completly new to him.

Im not sure what I am getting at through this post..I just thought it would be an interesting thing to share.
Om Shanti,
Tej
PsychicPenguin
I would say that you and your cousin are connected in the common consciousness.
PrettyAndCorrupt
I more than highly doubt that. I guess if you were either of us you would understand why.
PsychicPenguin
Why? You don't believe in the Ultimate Divine? I was thaught about it by a Hindhu master... well.. sort of...
Buddy_Hongster
hey...i wouldn't worry if i were you. You have goddess Kali around you. You should be honour wink2.gif
PrettyAndCorrupt
I believe in the ultimate. But that would have little or nothing to do with my cousin and I being connected consiously or subconsiously. We are ALL connected in either of those ways..I am as connected to the tree outside my home as I am to my cousin. The ultimate teaches us that we are ALL connected in some way..I believe because we are a part of the ultimate as it is a part of us.

But once again, that wouldnt have anything to do with me being connected to my cousin. It simply couldnt fit into the plan. whistling2.gif
TheNeutralBuddhist
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I believe in the ultimate.


I’m going to play like I don’t know, what exactly is the Ultimate? Your definition of it...

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We are ALL connected in either of those ways..I am as connected to the tree outside my home as I am to my cousin. The ultimate teaches us that we are ALL connected in some way..I believe because we are a part of the ultimate as it is a part of us.


Did the ultimate actually teach this or was this knowledge perceived by humans and documented as a teaching of the ultimate? Also, how are we apart of the ultimate and how is it apart of us?

But far as you and your cousin being subconsciously connected, I believe you very well might be; just like me and my best friend John I feel are some how connected mentally. The things that we do, say, think about, all are similar to what we talk about to each other at the end of the day and it shocks the hell out of us; his days most times, are directly similar to mine.
PrettyAndCorrupt
As I stated before,
I highly doubt my cousin and I are connected in any way other than DNA. If you were him or me I am sure you could understand much better.

My beliefs and how I believe them or why I believe them should be of no concern to you original.gif Sorry if that sounds rude..but I am no evangelist waiting to witness to non believers.
PsychicPenguin
TheNeutralBuddhist, the conccept of Ulltimate Divine is something that is rather hard to describe in a forum like this. It took myself quite a while to figure out what it is ( Until now I don;t know exactly what it is ) You might want to learn more about Hindhuism if you're interested. Understanding Hindhu will be beneficial for your own understanding in Budhism.

Let me explain as best as I can. Hindhu teachings contain many paradox and it is the reason why it is very difficult to understand. We know that there are hundreeds if not thousands of deities in Hindhuism. However we should always realise that the deisties, the gods, are the personification of the Ultimate Divine, because the Ultimate is beyond our conprehension. Well.. think about the Ultimate Divine as the Christian God, and the deities as Jesus... i think that will make more sense if you have any Christian background, or maybe as The Force and the Jedi Knights grin2.gif

We are also part of the Divine, and it is also the basic philosophy behind the (real, uncorrupted) caste system. People have to do their duty together. One caste is not complete without the other. In our life, we are seeking union with the divine. By worshipping the gods, by practising Dharma, by meditatation, and by studying the Vedas, we establish connections with the Ultimate Divine.
TheNeutralBuddhist
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TheNeutralBuddhist, the conccept of Ulltimate Divine is something that is rather hard to describe in a forum like this.

Ok ......something obscure; understandable........

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You might want to learn more about Hindhuism if you're interested. Understanding Hindhu will be beneficial for your own understanding in Budhism


Actually, I know more than enough about Hinduism, Buddhism branched off of Hinduism. And for me understanding Hinduism, it doesn’t really benefit me to understanding Buddhism at all, except just about the deity stuff. Buddhist don't have a belief in a Ultimate, a deity maybe but no Ultimate that controls everything like the Christian God or being one true source.(Bad example) .

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because the Ultimate is beyond our conprehension.


Says who? Is this a fact? If the Ultimate is a part of us and we are apart of it, why can’t our comprehension be like that of it, or at least have the possibility to gain it? Buddha said it greatly when asked about if he believes in an Ultimate…..

If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Why does he order such misfortune
And not create concord?

If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Why prevail deceit, lies and ignorance
And he such inequity and injustice create?

If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Then an evil master is he,
Knowing what's right did let wrong prevail!

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Well.. think about the Ultimate Divine as the Christian God, and the deities as Jesus... i think that will make more sense if you have any Christian background, or maybe as The Force and the Jedi Knights


You want me to think of the Ultimate as the Christian God, and um the deities as Jesus and that will make more sense?? Then in that case you are asking me to start thinking of condoning genocide and eternal damnation and slavery. Look, I know exactly what the ultimate refers to, basically, your saying "The Source". The Source- the cause of the caused in which has caused all causes. The origin of all. I just wanted to know her definition of it or description if one was possible.
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In our life, we are seeking union with the divine.

What divine?!

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By worshipping the gods, by practising Dharma, by meditatation, and by studying the Vedas, we establish connections with the Ultimate Divine.


By practicing Dharma , and by meditation Buddhist are not trying to establish a connection with the ultimate divine, we (Buddhist) are trying to reach Enlightenment, and Nirvana; and Nirvana is not the Ultimate Divine if that’s what your thinking as to saying it created everything. Nirvana like that of the Hindu Ultimate, is also obscure, but understandable to a small extent to leave room for wishful thinking. Buddha only explained Nirvana once, he said basically, its a place between space and time, existance and none existence. It way beyond my and our current comprehension, but we can one day know what it is , when we are Enlightened. To clarify Buddhist quite apart from explicit statements refuting the God-idea/Ultimate Idea of Hinduism there is a fundamental incompatibility between the notion of God/The Ultimate and basic Buddhist principles. Basically, God/The Ultimate cannot be reconciled with the Buddhist notion of causality, which is contained in the theory of "dependent origination" which is one of the discoveries of the Buddha during his enlightenment. Certainly nothing like this theory has been propounded prior to the Buddha.


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My beliefs and how I believe them or why I believe them should be of no concern to you

Hey, I was just simply asking, no harm intended.


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Sorry if that sounds rude..but I am no evangelist waiting to witness to non believers

Good, neither am I. Class dismissed. rolleyes.gif
PsychicPenguin
Hey... look.. the Ultimate is not some kind of deity, I was using God-Jesus as a comparisson, off course it is not exactly like that. God is the abstract. Jesus is something that is much more tangible than God. Well.. the Ultimate is something that is more abstract than God, and the Gods well.. they are Gods.
TheNeutralBuddhist
Yea, it more like that of the Tao.
PsychicPenguin
QUOTE (TheNeutralBuddhist @ Mar 30 2004, 10:44 PM)
Yea, it more like that of the Tao.

Oh yeah... Tao.. that thing makes my head spins wacko.gif
PrettyAndCorrupt
There is no describing the divine or the ultimate. There is no SET definition. We all have our own divine and our own ultimate.
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