Flash

By now you are all probably aware of this wonderful event that happened at the United States in Washington DC at the National Press Club

If not, and I doubt that anyone on this site hasn'be aware of this, but just covering all bases, go to www.disclosureproject.org  for further information.

At long last intergalactic contact is on its way to the masses!!!!  

Know that this is just my paranoia kicking in, but when I first saw this report on the news, I got a good feeling, but today I have a bad feeling. It was triggered with Lori's happy report(which I can totally understand).  I feel like I've seen this in a movie(I'm sure there's been at least one made)where we inhabitants of earth are led to believe we are contacted by 'friendlies', who somehow cause us to become euphoric, while they secretly prepare to take over, thus preventing any trouble (Trojan horse type of thing?)Just my thoughts-and vivid imagination at work again!!

  Here's a little example of the 'reliability' and 'trustworthiness' of Steven Greer(originator of the Disclosure Project). This is taken from the SAUCER SMEAR website.

On Feb. 23rd, Dr. Steven Greer of CSETI posted the following: "Nerve Gas Attack on ET Base Backfires on Covert Forces: A recent attack by covert forces with a deadly Sarin-like nerve gas on the ET spaceport under 14,345 foot Mount Blanca, Colorado, ended in disaster when the attacking forces were overcome by the gas and a quarter of the personnel involved had to be medically evacuated..."
In a telephone interview, Greer told a supporter that last June, while he and his group were training in the San Luis Valley, he "remote-viewed the ETs inside the mountain". People in his group saw Greer disappear in a "gold light" which seemed to be coming from above them. Then a "semi-circle of a dozen ET elders, all different sized" surrounded Greer and told him that they were "under attack in the mountain by a covert military force".

 Here's a link to the story;

http://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v45/ss980425.htm

 A few other interesting details:

 Back in 1997, Greer was accused of plagiarism and forced in a lawsuit by the now defunct UFO Research Coalition from selling and distributing its "Best Available Evidence" (also known as the Rockefeller UFO report) as his own. Greer in fact had nothing to do with the report, but had replaced the original front cover of the document with his own and touted it as his work. Here's a link detailing the complete story;

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0697/fufor.htm

 Former astronaut Edgar Mitchell is also very displeased with Steve Greer. Greer claimed Mitchell as being one of his 'highly regarded witnesses' to the disclosure panel. Mitchell denies any such involvement and doesn't even want to be associated with Greer. Here's a link to the full story (by the way, continue down the page after the Mitchell story, for another tale of someone being 'taken' by an unscrupulous Greer);

http://rense.com/general10/mitch.htm

And we're suppose to take this guy seriously? Kind of makes you wonder about the sincerity of Greer's intentions, doesn't it?  There are many within the UFO community itself who question Greer's true motives. Who wants to bet this clown doesn't come out with a book in the next year or so blaming the failure of the DISCLOSURE PROJECT on a myriad of excuses that have nothing to do with the truth.

Unfortunately the only intergalactic contact the masses will have to look forward to in the near future will be the next episode of "My Favorite Martian".

Magikman

If you want smear campaigns believe this post, if you want the truth then go directly to CSETI.org
and go to his training, meet the man, meet the purpose....these links are not CSETI.  Go there before you believe those who would discredit for their own self-interests.

These links may give you information, but not the truth.  

    Oh, definitely, go to the cseti.org web site and get to know the man, his purpose and his principles. Only, wait a minute. Make sure you've got $40 to spend, because that's what it will cost you for a membership. You won't be able to access any of his information without it. Imagine that. Reminds me of the old time revivalists, we can't cure you until you make a donation to the cause. Someone may be pulling the wool over my eyes, but Lord don't rob me too while you're doing it. Funny, notice how none of the links I offered cost you a penny. But that was information for a smear campaign. If you want the truth, I guess you'll have to cough up some hard earned cash. No one will benefit from your donation though. :

Magikman

Magikman

Don't be too hard on Lori. I checked out cseti.org too, and it doesn't state you HAVE to spend $40, it just states you can't spend LESS than $40  Heres a pricing of their memberships for anyone interested:
MEMBERSHIP LEVELS
Friend: $40 - $100 per year
Subscriber: $108 per year or higher
Benefactor: $500 to $9999 per year
Lifetime Member: $10,000 or more donation        Includes lifetime attendance to all CSETI events.

And Magikman, as far as going to his training goes, Im asking everyone to please donate to: The Homer Foundation. For only $595, I too can attend Mr. Greer's 1 week training class.(the great thing is, once I've already attended a training class, the next ones will only cost $500!!), and this also includes tuition and training materials, too!
First-timers with the training kit or Dr. Greer's book get $25 to $50 discount too
An actual quote from the web site:"Each training provides the skills for anyone to form their own research team capable of contacting extraterrestrial life forms within the framework of Universal Peace."

If anyone can tell me what the heck that means, I would really appreciate it.

So Magikman, the only negative I see is that $595 price tag for the "expedition", is that, according to the web site, it doesn't include food or lodging.

Of course I don't want any part of a "smear campaign", so I'll just simply ask for more donations to cover those costs as well, so I too can know the truth  ;D

Take care Magikman

Homer

Homer,

  Actually I was going easy on her. I saw the levels of membership also and could only laugh. I thought a more realistic membership status would look like this:

MEMBERSHIP LEVELS
Naive & Gullable: $40 - $100 per year
Fool: $108 per year or higher
Bigger Fool: $500 to $9999 per year
Cosmic Citizen: $10,000 or more donation
  Includes a course on 'intergalactic awareness' & a free ride in a spacecraft of your choice.     


MAGIKMAN

So, none of you guys get paid for the jobs you do?
Everyone has a right to their opinion, and not comparing Dr. Greer to my following statement,
but "they crucified Jesus too."

Take it easy guys...more often than not those who are trying their darnest to help everyone are the ones who get criticized the most.

Don't worry about "going easy on Lori" she has stood tall for years and will continue to stand tall.

By the way...have any of you guys had an experience with off-worlders?  have you ever been interrogated by the government?  There is so much more to this UFO stuff than UFOs and I don't think it fair to attack those who are trying to bring to light intergalactic awareness on the dollar and dime they scrape together.  

I have never taken Greer's course, although I have heard of many who have...and they have never said anything about it not being worth it.

I am not a groupy person, so I haven't invested in anything like this, but many folks do...real estate seminars, "better yourself" campaigns, and a host of others...do you smear them as well.

You missed something at CSETI web site if you didn't read the articles, if you didn't go thorugh the whole site.  

The first line soldiers always seem to get knocked down first, that's why only the strongest are sent in first...the weaklings and skeptics, wannabes and half-hearted debunkers are way in the back...

I can only say....read, study, learn...all this is positive, debunking, knocking others down, that is such a waste of energy....

with best intent,

-lori

Lori

I dont think anyone would expect a free trip to the seminars or the expeditions, but I personally went to his website and couldnt access any real information without being a member. The internet is full of websites that cost nothing, merely ask for donations. Whether the information is true or not is up to each individuals interpretation.

Im not criticizing him because of his beliefs, or whether or not he's helping anyone, but because of what could be important information reserved only for those who coughs up $40 or more.

I have had no contact with off worlders, nor have I been interrogated by the government. Although I have not been through it, I can appreciate scraping up dollars and dimes to bring to light the truth about intergalactic awareness. But wouldn't spreading the knowledge by printing it on ones web page prevent others from going through economic hardships of their own to get to the truth?

Just my opinion

Homer

 Yes, I'm sure the vast majority of us get paid for our jobs. The question is whether our employment is based on the ability to plagiarize other peoples work, steal property not belonging to us for financial gain, or mis-represent the opinions of semi-famous people to advance our own agenda. Its my understanding that people with those qualities tend to end up behind bars. Its only the slimiest and most devious individuals who seem to be successful at avoiding capture and altering the perceptions of the weak minded and semi-delusional with their absurd con games. Thats whats so great about the internet, it contains a vast storehouse of information available to those actually interested in knowing the truth. Information can easily be gotten to expose these criminals for what they really are.

 As to your rather lame question about exposing fraud and smearing other activities like real estate or 'better yourself' seminars, have you ever heard of Tony Robbins and what transpired with his scam? So yes, it happens all the time. Unfortunately not until after many people have been bamboozled out of their life savings.

 This clowns tales of 'intergalactic awarness' and contact with 'outworlders' mimics your own agenda so it prevents whatever intelligent reasoning you may have left from allowing you to see the real truth. You criticize us for attempting to expose this fraud, but you have no problem believing the rantings of an obvious lunatic. Like minds I guess, hey?

MAGIKMAN

;D
Wait a minute, I think I have a resolution to this traumatic discussion, how about all of you send me 40.00 and I will give you some enlightenment??

 I see all points of this discussion and my honest, might be brutal, opinion is that he is a scam, along with all the Tony Robbins' in the world.  I sometimes have visions that come true, and I, if given the chance, tell people what I see, I don't charge.  I get out in the field, mud, sweat, dodging people, all to learn the truth, myself.  Lori,  I do feel bad for you, I feel you see a rainbow no matter how hard the rain.  You want everything to be cookie cutter good, the truth is, it is not; what drives people to do what they do is what I call 'Passion', and I can speak for myself, I don't get paid for anything I find as passionate as I do uncovering the truth behind an enormous black haze, that has been litterally thrown upon our laps.  Choose to take the blinders off.  Smooches  

For anyone interested in the findings of Dr. Greer's Disclosure Project and interviews with competent indiviudals can go to disclosureproject.com and become informed (or not)
for themselves.

Magikman, why is it so difficult for you to be open and share without being critical, nasty and generally in a hateful tone?

Knowledge and wisdom come from exchanges of ideas, information.  Individual investigation includes lifting the veils of ignorance and searching for knowledge on all levels with an open-mind.

The best in your endeavors!

-lori/watana  ;D

intresting points of view. I think you should not have to pay for ANY info if it`s supposed to be in our (the worlds) intrest :sa

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In my humble opinion truth does cost a lot, but in terms of persistence, determination, patience and experience. You can't buy truth as it does not have monetary value.

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i totally agree with loonboy  on this one :-/

I thought I would Email CSETI and personally ask them why they charged for memberships  :P  Just to see what kind of response i would get.
I will post the entire email word for word

I have been intrested in any paranormal phenomena for a long time now. I find the work your team does intresting but have a few questions. Why does a non profit organization ask for membership fees? Do you not feel that the information you might hold is for the better of man kind?If so Can you really put a price on bettering our world if it`s information might lead to Intergalactic Communications and such?  I regret to say that it upsets me you need to charge people to get info on how to better man kind. That just isn`t right. If you had concrete evidence and proof... would you really charge for it knowing that time would tell all anyways? A response would be greatly appreciated. I must remind you that all 50 Paranormal forums I belong to (free of charge) are also awaiting this response.
Thanks in advance

Dear William,

all of our funding comes from memberships and donations. We don't have
any other source. We are not independently wealthy.

Sales and membership is the way we can keep doing the work we do. It's
really not much to ask people to support things that they are interested in.

Best regards,

Debbie


Deb,

Why not just simply ask for only donations based on what we can afford?

William,

What can you afford, and how much do you want to donate?



***And that's it. I never replied and it was pretty much what I expected as an answer. I can see reasoning to need money for research, I just think it should be done on donation basis only... as Universities and other places do.


Ah well.. though you would all enjoy it

Cheers

please tell me Lori didnt compare Greer to Jesus Christ?  i think a more appropriate comparison would be Greer to a televangelist.  

anyone who asks for money to reveal a 'truth' to you is a scam.  

Mystify,

It has been a long time since I looked at this thread and didn't notice your last post. Thanks for taking the time to find a little info. and sharing it with us. I agree with you, and that it should be donations only.

THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT
The Disclosure Project homepage

watch the conference

Testiomy is provided by 21 expert witness involved with military government and corporate out-sourcing for black projects. These testimonies provide proof of extra-terrestrials and even a base on the back side of the moon!!

These experts, their credibility has been verified? Their identity? Their credibility?

Not really, this is old news really, nothing significant really came from Greer's 'revelations', you can understand why after reading the background I provided. He never garnered much support or backing in the UFO community, because of his lack of credibility, as well as the credibility of the majority of his informants. There's a bit more info in this THREAD

MM

Hmmm... glad my post was moved! ok, so this greer guy isnt very respectable to some. lets set that aside because it really has nothing to do with the testimonies.
shouldnt we be researching the backgrounds of the people who are willing to testify before congress that these events are real and true? isnt greer just supplying the information? he never said that HE saw any ufos or aliens in the video. I could care less if he is a cheat and a liar, hes not the one who would be lying in this video, it is the 21 odd witnesses who would be lying.

Read the information I provide in the other link, it exposes 2 of his main 'witnesses' as frauds, also. A brief search of the net will also provide loads of information that debunks the testimony of most of the other people who testified. There was nothing new in the 'disclosure' he trumpeted, a good many of his witnesses already had soiled reputations within the UFO community, many found his revelations laughable.

lol... so whats the credibility of the ones that find these people non-credible ....and whats the credibility of them .....lol.

I had an old co-worker that died about 2 years ago. He was an air traffic guy for the army(i think or navy) about 30 yrs ago. He was also fascinated with UFOs I found out because when he died I cleaned out his locker and found some old UFOs books. He never told me anything about the subject. Maybe he kept it to himself for fear of criticism. Who knows....
Maybe I will inquire with his wife , see if he had told her anything.
This is the first time I heard of this Disclosure project.

ok, let me do a search for the credibility of ALL witnesses who provided testimony, if ANY are deemed non-credible by the least respect I will run a smear campaign against the whole issue thus destroying any hope these people had at uncovering the truth... this is what people would do who are trying to hide the truth, comeon, if this is true then its highly likely that some of these people arent credible just for that reason.
but I will still do a search, if even one of these testimonies are true then that means that we either have aliens visiting us or secret technologies that could save the world. END OF DISCUSSION.

And who exactly would have the final word on whose testimony is 'true'? Isn't it a matter of individual perception and the standards one requires for such a decision? You'd have a tough time getting rational people to agree on what dictates 'truth', much less most of the people who regularly visit this forum. That's why the paranormal enjoys such a huge following, sadly, truth is in the eye of the beholder, not necessarily in unrefutable evidense. Discussions don't end because you say so, only your participation in them.

ok, so lets not put any faith in the goodwill of mankind now. I know some people are crazy and liars and cheats, but those people didnt look crazy to me, and as for the lying and cheating you are making an assumption based on a fact which does not apply to the issue of the validity of the statements of these people. It applies to the credibility of a man who gathered them there, he did not put words in any of their mouths. It is ignorant in my point of view to make this assumption without further proof, and I havent seen the proof yet, so until I do I cant say that those people are liars.

From Saucer smear Vol. 4, nbr. 45 (see link above)

On Feb. 23rd, Dr. Steven Greer of CSETI posted the following: "Nerve Gas Attack on ET Base Backfires on Covert Forces: A recent attack by covert forces with a deadly Sarin-like nerve gas on the ET spaceport under 14,345 foot Mount Blanca, Colorado, ended in disaster when the attacking forces were overcome by the gas and a quarter of the personnel involved had to be medically evacuated..."

In a telephone interview, Greer told a supporter that last June, while he and his group were training in the San Luis Valley, he "remote-viewed the ETs inside the mountain". People in his group saw Greer disappear in a "gold light" which seemed to be coming from above them. Then a "semi-circle of a dozen ET elders, all different sized" surrounded Greer and told him that they were "under attack in the mountain by a covert military force".

The amusing part is that another follower, named Steve Moreno, realized that the above was too Far Out to be believed, and tried to suppress it! He says, "While there are tangents of truth to this incredible report, it is premature at this time for Dr. Greer to release such information..."

Yes, very premature!...

Are you completely crazy?

This thread is over five years old and its subject matter has been debunked.

Ah yes, but good ol' drew here was sitting in the lotus position saluting the sun or summat and decided to resurrect it....to add a link...sigh.

Very interesting watana. btw what do you think of the disclosure project?
Please, get back to me with your reply as soon as possible.
Thank you... er providing you're not dead or something....



What's five years between friends?