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Hmm....I dont know about myself...R u one?
no, i believe in christ
I am by no means an Athiest , allthough I have not found a religion that fits me yet.... :s02
We are hitting the dangerous topic of religion again, so before i go on i'd just like to point out that what i say are my beliefs, and in no way are intended to belittle anyone elses. I do not present this as an attack on anyone's belief system, but an explaination as to what i believe.
I'm not exactly an athiest but i don't really belief in a God exactly either. Jesus was just a teacher, a courageous man who stood up for his beliefs and payed the ultimate price for them. The resurection and virgin birth, son of god stuff is all fallacy, borrowed from earlier religions in some part. I think he would be rolling in his grave now if he knew of the religion that was later based around him. I believe that if there is a god it is more of a non-thinking power or energy, order or structure, rather than a being.
I'm not exactly an athiest but i don't really belief in a God exactly either. Jesus was just a teacher, a courageous man who stood up for his beliefs and payed the ultimate price for them. The resurection and virgin birth, son of god stuff is all fallacy, borrowed from earlier religions in some part. I think he would be rolling in his grave now if he knew of the religion that was later based around him. I believe that if there is a god it is more of a non-thinking power or energy, order or structure, rather than a being.
:se I think this is a very stick topic to get into. So I will decline to answer, and will just read how this thread progresses with interest :D
i dont believe in God....And I neither like being called an Atheist...
Why is that?
I don't believe in god either
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To a degree I believe what Purple Stuart said.
As a quick refinement to my own belief, I don't belive in a deity, more of an underlying force of nature/energy which oversees all.
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To a degree I believe what Purple Stuart said.
As a quick refinement to my own belief, I don't belive in a deity, more of an underlying force of nature/energy which oversees all.
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I agree with CW. But I'll take a lucky guess anyway and say 4
I beleive in me.
When youv'e had a crap life it's hard to beleive in anything else.
And thats my only comment on the subject.
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When youv'e had a crap life it's hard to beleive in anything else.
And thats my only comment on the subject.
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I have delved into many different types of religions in my short life , Igree with PS . That Jesus wa most likly to have been a great teacher with a vey sensitive nature allthough a not very well known point of interest is that the word Virgin actually meant unmarried at the time of Jesus's existence . Now that takes the mysterie out of that one.
I must say that I do believe there is something out there that creates an order to the Kaos .
Karma and Kismit and all that. ;D
I must say that I do believe there is something out there that creates an order to the Kaos .
Karma and Kismit and all that. ;D
I'm Agnostic!
I used to say I'm Athiest however always felt that it wasn't exactly right, -- then I found that wonderful word Agnostic.... lol :-)
I used to say I'm Athiest however always felt that it wasn't exactly right, -- then I found that wonderful word Agnostic.... lol :-)
If some of you do not know what an agnostic is, it means one who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
I forgot all about that word, thanks for refreshing my memory Kelly.
but I am Christian. I have been set in-between 3 different religions of my life and trust me it was not easy. But I made up my mind and I believe and love Jehovah and Jesus Christ.
I forgot all about that word, thanks for refreshing my memory Kelly.
but I am Christian. I have been set in-between 3 different religions of my life and trust me it was not easy. But I made up my mind and I believe and love Jehovah and Jesus Christ.
Oh My GOD ... !! 
what am I seeing here
Very Very bad people ... lol ...
Just kidding ...
No ... I am not a Atheists ... and thanks to God ... I am born in a good Muslim family ...
... and I am very proud of that ... 
what am I seeing here
Very Very bad people ... lol ...
Just kidding ...
No ... I am not a Atheists ... and thanks to God ... I am born in a good Muslim family ...
... and I am very proud of that ...
i do not believe in god, spirits or ghosts
What brings you to a forum like this then ? 
Well put LB - that is very much on my wavelength as well.
Here's my two cents: I refuse to accept that any single religion currently in existence today is the right one . To me the fact that there are so many interpretations of a belief lends me to ask myself "how do they know that their religion is right?" I know you'll probably say faith, but I can't do that.
Now, before anyone jumps down my neck - let me stress that this is only MY OPINION. I respect everyone's right to follow their own beliefs, OK?
I live by a simple philosophy of not doing what I know to be wrong - eg. killing, stealing, lying etc.. For me, I will follow my own path.
Having said that, I also cannot accept that the universe is an accident. I will therefore spend my life in absolute AWE of whatever/whoever is behind this amazing existence, and fervently hope that when I die I will find out the answers.
Here's my two cents: I refuse to accept that any single religion currently in existence today is the right one . To me the fact that there are so many interpretations of a belief lends me to ask myself "how do they know that their religion is right?" I know you'll probably say faith, but I can't do that.
Now, before anyone jumps down my neck - let me stress that this is only MY OPINION. I respect everyone's right to follow their own beliefs, OK?
I live by a simple philosophy of not doing what I know to be wrong - eg. killing, stealing, lying etc.. For me, I will follow my own path.
Having said that, I also cannot accept that the universe is an accident. I will therefore spend my life in absolute AWE of whatever/whoever is behind this amazing existence, and fervently hope that when I die I will find out the answers.
This is MY BELIEF, and I do not force it one anyone, so no need to jump up and down on me.
I believe in God, but I also think that God is not the one in the Bible or any other religious book, as I think that all of these books are just for the teaching of us in how to better people, and on how to live in harmony with other people.
I think that God is with us in everything and everywhere, but that It, I will not say he or she because we really do not know, is only one being.
All of the different religions are essentailly correct in that they worship a creator being, and that one exists. But I think that the God that all the religions worship is the same one, and that all the religions do is give it a different name (in the case of wicca they take the one deity and split it into 2; the Female and Male, the opposing and balancing halves of the same being).
If I was to choose a religion that I was to adhere to it would most defenitely be Wicca, as it is one of the more peaceful religions and members of the religion tend to get along with everyone of all religions.
I believe in God, but I also think that God is not the one in the Bible or any other religious book, as I think that all of these books are just for the teaching of us in how to better people, and on how to live in harmony with other people.
I think that God is with us in everything and everywhere, but that It, I will not say he or she because we really do not know, is only one being.
All of the different religions are essentailly correct in that they worship a creator being, and that one exists. But I think that the God that all the religions worship is the same one, and that all the religions do is give it a different name (in the case of wicca they take the one deity and split it into 2; the Female and Male, the opposing and balancing halves of the same being).
If I was to choose a religion that I was to adhere to it would most defenitely be Wicca, as it is one of the more peaceful religions and members of the religion tend to get along with everyone of all religions.
| QUOTE (Kismit @ Jun 30 2003, 02:44 AM) |
| What brings you to a forum like this then ? |
the aliens, big foots, and nessies
oh yea, also i like the space talk!
I believe in God all the way, strictly in the sense that God is the creator. God isn't limited to 1 entity...could God be a collective? As far as I know, we humans aren't intelligent to comprehend God until God is revealed to us By God.
I do not believe so much in the church as an institution. Why should we need a 3rd party? I have one rule that I try to adhere to...it's similar to what Sageghost said. My one rule is "Be Good!"
I agree with LB, Sageghost, and AL, they've put it better than I ever could so I'll just stick to saying "I agree" with them.
I am Christian, I teach Sunday School but I am probably a bit more liberal than I should be....
Oh yeah and may I add that whatever your religion is is fine. If you have researched religions and know about each different one and have made an educated decision I say more power to you.
I agree with ((Dust19)) and ((Sageghost)) ...
Being good leads you to heaven ... and heaven is where God wants us to be ... and if we did the bad ... we go to hell ... and that is where the devil is waiting for the bad people ...
Being good leads you to heaven ... and heaven is where God wants us to be ... and if we did the bad ... we go to hell ... and that is where the devil is waiting for the bad people ...
I believe in ghosts and magic but I am unsure about the existence of God.
The latter is a matter of faith.
The former is, while of course not obvious, certainly worthy of discussion - and not the crappy kind of a priori judgements made by people who've never looked into it.
The latter is a matter of faith.
The former is, while of course not obvious, certainly worthy of discussion - and not the crappy kind of a priori judgements made by people who've never looked into it.
I dont belive in God I think that the rules he makes are unfair because he himself doesnt follow them for example:
He said do not kill yet he killed many lives (noah's arch)
now doesnt that seem unfair to you??? us not being able to kill when he does every day?
Think about it
He said do not kill yet he killed many lives (noah's arch)
now doesnt that seem unfair to you??? us not being able to kill when he does every day?
Think about it
i don't like the situation we're in now - people are willing to give their life over a book and a being that there is no proof exsists (the book exisits, of course ). Sure, there is no problem with believing in a certain religion but one should not have wars over it
). Sure, there is no problem with believing in a certain religion but one should not have wars over it
| QUOTE (Nethius @ Jul 3 2003, 08:18 AM) | ||
the aliens, big foots, and nessies oh yea, also i like the space talk! |
Ahh I see sometimes I get so caught up in the ghost stuff I forget we even discuss other things
@ KismitI don't believe that there is a God, in my view the Bible is like any other Oral history it's flawed..... If people want to believe in it, fine let them believe....
after all it is their choice.
I believe in the forces of Nature and an energy that helps or hinds us, ok for easy terms... something like the 'force' out of Star Wars.....
But IF there is such a thing as God.... well this quote it's the 10th one down sort of sums up the idea I didn't post it in full as I don't want to offend anyone....
clicky
'the force' from star wars seems to me, to be telekenesis
i'm a christain and believe in christ. well, ever since that whole demon incident w/ that quija board...
I would like to say just because you don't have a religion does not mean you are an atheist...I do not have nor do i really believe in religion and i grew up a christian, but i do know there is a higher power...being an atheist to me is a religion...Which religion is just the way in which people choose to percieve the world and thing's around it the way they want to. By going to church, praying(which i do) and all the other thing's done to show respect or appreceation to the higher power...If you are the type of person who loves god Etc. or if you are the type of person who doesn't think there is a god...Atheist is not the word for it niether is religion....it is just simply what you believe.
o boy not that i think you all are crazy not to believe cause i don't know your life ... but between an attempted suicide ( and i have no idea why the hell I didn't die ) and all the other sh** ... i became a believe and it all changed .. some one smak me I think i'm dreaming ... 
I'm not saying that it was easy all the changes but .. boy ....... at this moment this is the only thing keeping me going..... I now know what love is ... sry for my little emotional speel
I'm not saying that it was easy all the changes but .. boy ....... at this moment this is the only thing keeping me going..... I now know what love is ... sry for my little emotional speel
I am a solid agnostic. I don't think that there is compelling evidence to conclude that there is or there is not a God or gods since we simply have no where near enough information to make that call.
I will however say that I do not like the idea of monotheism (a single god) and that the existing polytheistic religions don't do much for me either. If there was to be a higher power, I would rather it come from a group of equals, where none was better at any one thing than another.
I will however say that I do not like the idea of monotheism (a single god) and that the existing polytheistic religions don't do much for me either. If there was to be a higher power, I would rather it come from a group of equals, where none was better at any one thing than another.
well folks i'm a pagan usually when i say that out and about in the real world people immediatly say devil worshipper but i'm not here to preach jus to say this, the way i see it all gods/goddesses/god/allah are all one and are many they all convey the same message they all tell us the same thing just in different ways, and just as they convey it in different ways, we also as individuals see it in our own way but in the end all is one and the same. good will and peace to all men and women i think sums it up.
well thats my view anyway
well thats my view anyway
Renegade - I just now read your comment I don't know if you will see this or not and I know you won't understand BUT God doesn't have to be fair - he is God we are his everything on this Earth is his he created us and if he feels that the people need destroyed as he did in Noah's time then it is his right to take care of them in whatever way he sees fit.
if some of you say that you do believe in god ... that means you also believe in jusus .. because god is jesus is the holy spirt .... the whole god in three persons thing ...then how can you say the only way to heaven is through works... first what would be the point of jesus... and if it were all through works then all of us would be condememd to hell... you can't tell me that you have never eather stolen anything ... disobeyed you parents or said O" MY GOD ...( using gods name in vain) all sins ... you can't get into heaven if their is any sin because it is a place with only good and if you say yah I have sined and god will forgive me for thoes things..... it's not like I murdered anybody .. well that is wheir jesus comes in. ...pluse all sins are the same in gods eyes .... only humans leval the wrong[QUOTE]if you refuse to believe ... then don't ask questions ... you might change your mind!!
Well princess4dark, that would be a Christian view, but belief in that God does not necessatate a belief in Jesus as his son or even his existance at all. Islam for instance believe wholly in God, and they recgonize Jesus, but not as the son of God. He was a prophet or a teacher or something along those lines. Judaism says that their followers should believe in God, but they are pretty cool on the idea of Jesus.
Certianly that is your view, but it is presented in a way that seems coercive towards others, specifically those who believe in God but not necessairly the claims of Jesus. Please feel free to share your thoughts, but missionising we can do without.
Certianly that is your view, but it is presented in a way that seems coercive towards others, specifically those who believe in God but not necessairly the claims of Jesus. Please feel free to share your thoughts, but missionising we can do without.
| QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jul 26 2003, 05:05 PM) |
| If there was to be a higher power, I would rather it come from a group of equals, where none was better at any one thing than another. |
Hmmm.... I realize that this is putting a "Human Spin" on your
comment Space Moose, however........ I'm curious
Would it not be more difficult for "group of equals" to reach
agreement (s) on any given "Higher Power" decision?
Who determines whom is "better at any one thing than another"?
Would it not be more difficult for "group of equals" to reach
agreement (s) on any given "Higher Power" decision?
Who determines whom is "better at any one thing than another"?
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In Gods eyes evey one is equal he does not say this person is better than that person becasue all have sined and all are capible of good, if they so choose so. Every one is equal even as soon as they are born because of what we are capible of .. So we all are a grope of equals in gods eyes even if we rank each other on earth. God already is the higher power that decision is not up to us ... but is up to us wether to believe it or not .
Only humans rank things and people. God sees us all as creations and all capible of sin and good and love and destruction and he knows that we have the choce on how to use that ability.
does that help? or no?
agreement (s) on any given "Higher Power" decision?
Who determines whom is "better at any one thing than another"?
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In Gods eyes evey one is equal he does not say this person is better than that person becasue all have sined and all are capible of good, if they so choose so. Every one is equal even as soon as they are born because of what we are capible of .. So we all are a grope of equals in gods eyes even if we rank each other on earth. God already is the higher power that decision is not up to us ... but is up to us wether to believe it or not .
Only humans rank things and people. God sees us all as creations and all capible of sin and good and love and destruction and he knows that we have the choce on how to use that ability.
does that help? or no?
princess4dark.......
I haven't expressed my personal views on this, at least not yet.
I was wondering IF Mr. Space Moose would grace us with his input.
I appreciate you're efforts though!!
N.
I haven't expressed my personal views on this, at least not yet.
I was wondering IF Mr. Space Moose would grace us with his input.
I appreciate you're efforts though!!
N.
Blood Angel,
This is what I put earlier in the thread:
This is what I put earlier in the thread:
| QUOTE |
| All of the different religions are essentailly correct in that they worship a creator being, and that one exists. But I think that the God that all the religions worship is the same one, and that all the religions do is give it a different name (in the case of wicca they take the one deity and split it into 2; the Female and Male, the opposing and balancing halves of the same being). |
Where as you put this:
| QUOTE |
| the way i see it all gods/goddesses/god/allah are all one and are many they all convey the same message they all tell us the same thing just in different ways, and just as they convey it in different ways, we also as individuals see it in our own way but in the end all is one and the same. good will and peace to all men and women i think sums it up. |
Which is actually, (at least to my way of looking at it) similar to what you put, well, at least it's nice to know i'm not alone in what I believe.
Yay Me.
| QUOTE |
| This is what I put earlier in the thread: QUOTE All of the different religions are essentailly correct in that they worship a creator being, and that one exists. But I think that the God that all the religions worship is the same one, and that all the religions do is give it a different name (in the case of wicca they take the one deity and split it into 2; the Female and Male, the opposing and balancing halves of the same being). Where as you put this: QUOTE the way i see it all gods/goddesses/god/allah are all one and are many they all convey the same message they all tell us the same thing just in different ways, and just as they convey it in different ways, we also as individuals see it in our own way but in the end all is one and the same. good will and peace to all men and women i think sums it up. |
This sums up how I believe also Al and Blood Angel.....
I am a christian.. and I thought that if you belived in a higher being it was consdered agnostic and if you did not believe in anything at all that was atheist.
agnostics say they can neither prove or disprove the existance of God - but aethists say they don't believe in God, heaven, hell or the devil.....If Satan has convinced you he doesn't exist the he has achieved his ultimate goal.
thanks Anirbas .. at least I know I was partially correct 
connecian- i'm almost positive that is correct
Nancy, I am all but too happy to reply with clairificationon my earlier statements. You asked some very valid questions that were along a line of thought I did not consider when I was writing my earlier response.
In short, what I was advocating for before was a polytheistic diety system which could easily be summed up as democratic. When I said that "none should be better than others" I meant that they all brought the same thing to the table, none were specialized in any way. For instance, there would be no God of War (i.e. Mars) but perhaps a committee of, say, 7 or 9 of the larger whole that decided matters of war. It would be a system similar to Westminster, but without Ministers or Opposition, but possibly a Senate.
To perhaps further illustrate this, consider 1 Christian God for every Ten Million people on earth (just as a rough figure and note that they have no personal constituencies). These Many One Gods (polymonotheism perhaps we can call it) discuss what is best for their people and act accordingly. This prevents problems of an overly vengeful God or some other such possibly mishap. It imposes a set of checks and balances and lets sober second thought have a go at decisions before they are made.
In short, what I was advocating for before was a polytheistic diety system which could easily be summed up as democratic. When I said that "none should be better than others" I meant that they all brought the same thing to the table, none were specialized in any way. For instance, there would be no God of War (i.e. Mars) but perhaps a committee of, say, 7 or 9 of the larger whole that decided matters of war. It would be a system similar to Westminster, but without Ministers or Opposition, but possibly a Senate.
To perhaps further illustrate this, consider 1 Christian God for every Ten Million people on earth (just as a rough figure and note that they have no personal constituencies). These Many One Gods (polymonotheism perhaps we can call it) discuss what is best for their people and act accordingly. This prevents problems of an overly vengeful God or some other such possibly mishap. It imposes a set of checks and balances and lets sober second thought have a go at decisions before they are made.
| QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jul 29 2003, 05:09 PM) |
| Nancy, I am all but too happy to reply with clairificationon my earlier statements. You asked some very valid questions that were along a line of thought I did not consider when I was writing my earlier response. To perhaps further illustrate this, consider 1 Christian God for every Ten Million people on earth (just as a rough figure and note that they have no personal constituencies). These Many One Gods (polymonotheism perhaps we can call it) discuss what is best for their people and act accordingly. This prevents problems of an overly vengeful God or some other such possibly mishap. It imposes a set of checks and balances and lets sober second thought have a go at decisions before they are made. |
Space Moose....... Thank you for taking the time to clarify.You explanation turned out to be what I imagined it would be, to
some degree.
I am always fascinated the way the Topic of any given Thread seems to
"morph" in a short period of time. Opinions and input by Members here
are always, to me... food for thought.
Space Moose.... I know nothing of your background or life experiences, so
please do not take any of what I add here as criticism!
The big moment of "enlightment" for me is described in one of the Editorials
added to this site... "The Yellow Rose." Prior to that period in my life, I was
programmed, more or less, to traditional Protestant Christian beliefs... Sin, Right vs Wrong, Punishment vs Reward, following Christ and the St. James version of the Holy Bible.
Subsequent to the events in that Editorial, after many months of introspection, my
belief system altered drastically. I still believe in God... a "Higher Power" singular in nature who designed all that we see, hear and feel. However? My "God" is not cruel or 'vengeful'.... does not plan to have a day of infamy.... does not claim responsibility for what happens on this or any other Planet.
I do not believe in "Heaven" or "Hell"..... but a transition to another plane of existence. I feel Humans create their own Heaven or Hell while on Earth. The outcome of the degree of accomplishment or failure is each person's responsibility.
"God" does not allow things to happen. Man does.... good, bad, respectful OR evil.
To me, the Bible, Koran..... any instrument of knowlege is simply an Owner's Manual..... a guide, nothing more. Too many unanswered questions for me to accept as gospel.
I think I'm using too much of SaRuMaN's ink...... so I'll stop right here.
Nancy
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