I have spent many years researching the subjects of history, forbidden history, theology, science, philosophy and psychology and have come to some rather astounding conclussions.

I went truth searching but some of what I have found takes me into areas of knowledge that have made people (even those who claim to be truth seekers) rather nervous. I have gone back many thousands of years, delved into languages and customs and tried to reallyextend my understanding.

I will begin a set of posts here that I hope will really stretch the thinking of people who like to think profoundly and "out of the box". I do not intend to shock, but to educate myself and hopefully impart some of my information to those who have a mind to listen. I would hope to find many such people in a truth seeking community like this one.

We know so little about our world. I went searching for knowledge through the mess that our leaders have created, I went searching for understanding of why. I found more than I bargained for, I found the meaning of hell but I also found the glory and wisdom of God. I am ready to share with you all now. I look forward to your comments.

Here is a post about Avatars and what, in light of my reasearch, they appear to mean.

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You know, if you really want to understand how our world is organised then ask yourself why the Ascended Masters are sometimes called Avatars.

Let's start with a dictionary:

av·a·tar ( P ) Pronunciation Key (v-tär)
n.
1) The incarnation of a Hindu deity, especially Vishnu, in human or animal form.
2) An embodiment, as of a quality or concept; an archetype: the very avatar of cunning.
3) A temporary manifestation or aspect of a continuing entity: occultism in its present avatar.

avatar

1. <chat, virtual reality> An image representing a user in a
multi-user virtual reality (or VR-like, in the case of

Ah yes, that is us. At the very end.

However, the word Avatar actually comes from a root in Sanskrit. Doesn't everything seem to?

The root is the word "ava" meaning "down". "taratti" refers to motion or crossing.

So interestingly the Sanskrit word of Avatar means one who is "descended".

Of course, they are the Fallen Ones. How silly, it was right in front of us all the time.

As a denizen of Internet forums you will, of course, understand the lure of the Avatar. The Avatar hides the persona underneath. The same person can carry multiple avatars and be anyone they choose to be. Even a being of ugliness can have beauty.

Dark can become light, hate can become love - illusion, games with Avatars.

Heck on many forums multi-avatar personalities are almost urban legends. Break the illusion of the Avatar.

Your one and only saviour is God.

How many Avatars do you think the Fallen Ones have?

His/Her name is Legion.

Scamp

huh? i was following you up until this part:

I didn't get any of it. Why did you start off with avatar anyway?

Scarlet Pimpernel,

You have an interesting point. Keep going.
What exactly do you mean by the Fallen Ones - the fallen angels? So you say that the Fallen Ones have many avatars. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with your statement that Avatar means "Ascended Master" and also means "Descended". It has to be only one of these two. Unless you are implying that the Ascended Masters are actually fallen creatures. Hm, I cannot accept that...

Hi Antares,

"You have an interesting point. Keep going.
What exactly do you mean by the Fallen Ones - the fallen angels? So you say that the Fallen Ones have many avatars. I don't have a problem with that."

Thank you for your comments.

The Avatars are the masks of deception. They hid what is beneath.

"I have a problem with your statement that Avatar means "Ascended Master" and also means "Descended". It has to be only one of these two. Unless you are implying that the Ascended Masters are actually fallen creatures. Hm, I cannot accept that... "

The two are always interchanged. They call themselves Ascended but then the words mean Descended. It is confusing and I think the confusion is deliberate. A bit like with the whole meaning of Atala being hell, whilst some pretend it is paradise. Confusion and deceit. Unfortunately our whole history is shrouded in that making it difficult to extract meaning and truth.

However, the nature of the method by which they achieve changes - the Hegelian Dialect - means that in every synthesis a bit of an original truth is retained even as it is comprimised. The problem comes with cycles of synthesis, where the original grains become smaller and smaller.

But if we search and dig it is funny how the dots seem to connect themselves.

Best wishes
Scamp

I see past your Avatar, your just a skinny nerd with a library card.

jk jk

I dont see the point here, is it that all gods and dieties are one in the same?

Instead of "One who is descended", try one "One who has descended".

That changes the entire thing from the concept of devils and demons to the concept of a Holy being descended from the heavens.

In that light, Yeshua Christi was an Avatar.

This is a very interesting topic- what both Scarlet Pimpernel & Azael post really illustrate is that the translation or mistranslation of one word can change the entire meaning of a statement.

The Avatars are not fallen ones,or not always fallen ones take Lord buddah,or Lord Caitanya for example,they appeared in human form in order to teach.


my idea of this process is practicality,if the lord appeared in his other forms it would be confusing for us,for example if we were canines it would be common sense for God to appear as a dog,as it would make communication easier and we would not be scared of him.

I'm disappointed in you people.

Avatar, accourding to SP, are a temp manifestion of a fallen deity.

Why would GOD, have an Avatar? His not fallen.

And of all things on this earth, why would the ARK be his AVATAR.

HIS GOD, we don't a drawing or an object to point him out?

It is raining prophets and messiahs...

If the participants in this discussion can't remain civil to each other, this thread will shortly be closed down. MIM has been dealt with, as for you, Azael, rather than allowing yourself to be goaded into making inappropriate remarks, you would have been better served ignoring MIM's childish and immature retort. As it is, you're being given a verbal warning for your response to him, I hope you take the advise to heart.

Magikman

I know enough from the histories tought at school to say that thier are many interpretations to common things and many large gaps missing from it all. When you spoke of the fallen I instintly thought of the fallen angels. I myslef am not a religious man but I do like to know what every one else is talking about.
Everything I have read always speak of avatars as messangers or embodyments of a god. Descended as definiton I can see but descended to help not because they are banished.

Thanks everyone for your comments. Its been a pretty interesting discussion and mostly civil. Hey Magikman, I really hope it shan't be necessary to close the thread. I hope the warning alone is sufficient.

It would be interesting to hear some comments about the more recent use of Avatars to disguise, to hide behind, to present a face that is not the true face. This has become more common an understanding in the Internet age.

Isn't that interesting when the Fallen Angels are often associated with Satan in the monotheistic religions, and that Satan is often called the Great Deceiver.

Fallen angels hiding behind Avatars of deception? Mmmm. Perhaps I shouldn't have raised that Magikman. That could cause some heated debate.



All the best everyone and thanks
Scamp

Some people have far too much time on thier hands. Jk-ish, lol.

What it comes down to with religion is, people believe what they want, and need, to believe in. Nothing will change a persons views, so keep posting or not, nothing changes. Religion is very personal, and peoples views differ as to what they have been raised or taught to believe. So thinking that posting a few lines will change what has been pumped into a person their whole life is pointless.

But an intresting post.

But like all other posts that have a religious theme, it simply turns into a "Who can shout the loudess, " game.

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so was it mr ed really calling wilburrrrrrrr or was it peanut butter??????

I think what this post comes down to is interpretation of words and the fact that people interpret things through a veil of the beliefs they were raised with. The origional poster asks us to think outside the box, but from my point of view he's the one stuck in a very small box. That's a very large leap to think that the word "descended" has something to do with falling from grace. For one thing, it is my understanding that the Hindu view of evil and similar concepts is that it is maya (illusion). And from the Vedantist Hindu view it is a moot point because they have a nondualistic view. So, using a Sanskrit word to prove a dualist Christian idea seems a bit silly.

You are absolutely right.Defining Avtars as the ones fallen from grace is insulting the grate masters like Jesus ,Buddha and Mohmad. On the contrary they were the purified souls who had desended to deliver the human beings from their sufferings.The word itself is derived from sanskrit and anyone not having the basic knowledge of the Hindu scriptures should not ascribe his own meanings.

The use of the word in derogatory terms and to mean entirely different concepts is upto the user . However this does not at all affect the true meaning of the word.

to link an avtar with the satan is a satanic idea even in this internat age.