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Claishuh
Hi. Just wondering if anyone can do aerokinesis and if they have any good techniques to prctise it. I'm very keen to develop this.
Thanks in advance! grin2.gif
Xenojjin
you should try more basic techniques before you get into aerokinesis and pyrokinesis or any other of the elemental kinesis .

TK / PK is the hardest psi technique in my opinion and you often need a very long time to accomplish anything . try telepathy and basic constructs first .
Claishuh
Thanks Xenojinn, i'll try that.
PsychicPenguin
Err.. actualy there is an easier method for aerokinesis, just turn on an electric fan wink2.gif
Xenojjin
QUOTE (PsychicPenguin @ Apr 25 2004, 08:55 PM)
Err.. actualy there is an easier method for aerokinesis, just turn on an electric fan wink2.gif

laugh.gif

reminds me of that buddist story I heard somewhere on here .

two men wished to go to an island . One spent years of self dicipline and meditation learning how to walk on water . By the time he finally learned how he was too old to truly enjoy the island as he saw it in his youth .

the other man built a boat in two days . tongue.gif
anonymous57
If TK and TP are the hardest, which ones are the easiest? Do psi balls count as a kinesis?
Mahtu
Well I do a lot of different things, but i haven't trained myself in a couple weeks. First realize that there are three different kinds of aerokinetic activity. Internal, short-range external, and long-range external. Internal is where you can consciously manipulate air within your own body (in the lungs to breathe more efficiently or, yes, in the G.I. tract to help push gas up or down. No fart jokes, please.) External short-range is the ability to manipulate small air currents at close range, usually if you can do this you can manipulate it indoors too. Then long-range External is on a much larger scale to where you can manipulate larger currents and systems of air, move air at remote locations, and in some occasions even start tornados. I have some ability in all three of these areas, the strongest of mine being internal and long-range external. i'm still trying to work on my short-range because it's still pretty limited. Keep working on it! thumbsup.gif
Mahtu
QUOTE (Xenojjin @ Apr 19 2004, 07:00 AM) *
you should try more basic techniques before you get into aerokinesis and pyrokinesis or any other of the elemental kinesis .

TK / PK is the hardest psi technique in my opinion and you often need a very long time to accomplish anything . try telepathy and basic constructs first .



Well I know lots of people have different opinions and things work differently for different people but aerokinesis is the only one that i can do well and I've never worked with TK. I always just saw them as two things that worked completely differently, because with TK you usually move solid objects, and when you're not, you're getting into elemental control, and since the air isn't solid and doesn't move the same way solids do you have to approach it differently.
Heartagram3200
QUOTE (Xenojjin @ Apr 19 2004, 11:00 AM) *
you should try more basic techniques before you get into aerokinesis and pyrokinesis or any other of the elemental kinesis .

TK / PK is the hardest psi technique in my opinion and you often need a very long time to accomplish anything . try telepathy and basic constructs first .


Actually, bending fire and flames were easier for me than moving the psi-wheel...I hate that wheel, so boring, just spin left, spin right...Blaaa
Moro
QUOTE (Heartagram3200 @ Mar 12 2008, 02:35 PM) *
Actually, bending fire and flames were easier for me than moving the psi-wheel...I hate that wheel, so boring, just spin left, spin right...Blaaa

You claim to be able do every little thing you read on here!

I think you are just posting these amazing claims because you want to be special. Seriously though, YOU cannot
control fire with mere thought alone. I do not care if you say you can. YOU CAN NOT. 90% of the people on this
board as well as scientists, doctors, physicists etc. will also tell you that you CAN NOT.

You have no PROOF, as well as you will NEVER provide any. So, that leaves us with your claim. (For which guess
what?) Has no grounding for solid evidence.

I just don't get these new age kids. lol no.gif
Heartagram3200
QUOTE (Moro Bumbleroot @ Mar 12 2008, 03:47 PM) *
You claim to be able do every little thing you read on here!

I think you are just posting these amazing claims because you want to be special. Seriously though, YOU cannot
control fire with mere thought alone. I do not care if you say you can. YOU CAN NOT. 90% of the people on this
board as well as scientists, doctors, physicists etc. will also tell you that you CAN NOT.

You have no PROOF, as well as you will NEVER provide any. So, that leaves us with your claim. (For which guess
what?) Has no grounding for solid evidence.

I just don't get these new age kids. lol no.gif



Man, I have even stated before, on a previous thread, the one about my vid...That bending fire and flame is my personal prefrence over the psi-wheel...
Moro
QUOTE (Heartagram3200 @ Mar 12 2008, 03:39 PM) *
Man, I have even stated before, on a previous thread, the one about my vid...That bending fire and flame is my personal prefrence over the psi-wheel...

Is there any kind of paranormal ability you cannot do somewhat? I have seen you go through most of them atleast once.
llynx
QUOTE (Moro Bumbleroot @ Mar 12 2008, 08:47 PM) *
You claim to be able do every little thing you read on here!

I think you are just posting these amazing claims because you want to be special. Seriously though, YOU cannot
control fire with mere thought alone. I do not care if you say you can. YOU CAN NOT. 90% of the people on this
board as well as scientists, doctors, physicists etc. will also tell you that you CAN NOT.

You have no PROOF, as well as you will NEVER provide any. So, that leaves us with your claim. (For which guess
what?) Has no grounding for solid evidence.

I just don't get these new age kids. lol no.gif


Agreed. But an open mind is not restricted by the confines of the physical world accepted by humans.

Understand that whether the claims are true or not, does not matter. If they are not, he is simply lying to himself. If they are not true but he percieved it to be true then it is true through his/her perception. If it isn't true then it is simply a lie that will come back and affect some other part of his life.

Plus, moro, even if there is sold evidence, a majority of people will still not accept.
Moro
QUOTE (llynx @ Mar 12 2008, 04:43 PM) *
Agreed. But an open mind is not restricted by the confines of the physical world accepted by humans.

Understand that whether the claims are true or not, does not matter. If they are not, he is simply lying to himself. If they are not true but he percieved it to be true then it is true through his/her perception. If it isn't true then it is simply a lie that will come back and affect some other part of his life.

Plus, moro, even if there is sold evidence, a majority of people will still not accept.

I can agree with that well rounded post. thumbsup.gif

You are as well correct in saying some will not accept solid scientific proof that it exists, (That is to say if it ever happens.)
Heartagram3200
QUOTE (llynx @ Mar 12 2008, 04:43 PM) *
Agreed. But an open mind is not restricted by the confines of the physical world accepted by humans.

Understand that whether the claims are true or not, does not matter. If they are not, he is simply lying to himself. If they are not true but he percieved it to be true then it is true through his/her perception. If it isn't true then it is simply a lie that will come back and affect some other part of his life.

Plus, moro, even if there is sold evidence, a majority of people will still not accept.



I agree...

And, I have never claimed


Psychosyemetry...
Cyrokinesis
Geokinesis
Biokinesis
Lumokinesis
Electrokinesis
Umbrokinesis
Chronokinesis
Magnokinesis
Clairivoyance
Remote Viewing

I have had positive experiences with Astral Projection, like have had mnay cool sensations and feelings when trying it, but have still not gotten out while completely lucid yet...I made it out once, but didn't notice, and just sat sitting in my room...

And alot more I have never done..




The things I claim(Alot of them are on the once or twice level)

Telekinesis
Pyrokinesis
Hydrokinesis
(I think those are pretty much the same, as I use methods of TK to move Fire and water, not special methods, that pertain to those elements specifically...)
Psi-balls
Empathy
Telepathy
Psi-Shields...
Precognition

Thats it....
Papaver
Is that all?

LMAO!
llynx
QUOTE (Moro Bumbleroot @ Mar 12 2008, 09:46 PM) *
I can agree with that well rounded post. thumbsup.gif

You are as well correct in saying some will not accept solid scientific proof that it exists, (That is to say if it ever happens.)


I don't know about you, but I'm thinking that the VAST majority, not just some, would not accept it even if solid evidence existed.
The vast majority of people these days would not be capable of accepting such information.

But of course there would be a large amount of people who would accept it.

I just hope to see/experience people who have 'powers' in my lifetime. =D
Moro
QUOTE (llynx @ Mar 12 2008, 04:57 PM) *
I don't know about you, but I'm thinking that the VAST majority, not just some, would not accept it even if solid evidence existed.
The vast majority of people these days would not be capable of accepting such information.

But of course there would be a large amount of people who would accept it.

I just hope to see/experience people who have 'powers' in my lifetime. =D

Yes, I would like nothing more than to see these abilities full-blown in my lifetime.

Unfortunately, I do not see that happening.
Heartagram3200
People didn't see the industrial age coming either...The way we live now would have seemed impossible 100 years ago...Just wait, a huge discovery will be made in the next 100 years or so supporting psi...
Papaver
None of the things that have occured in the modern age that would have been unthinkable one hundred years ago defy the laws of physics.

Your psi claims do defy known laws and that makes the nature of what you claim very different.
Moro
QUOTE (Heartagram3200 @ Mar 12 2008, 04:48 PM) *
People didn't see the industrial age coming either...The way we live now would have seemed impossible 100 years ago...Just wait, a huge discovery will be made in the next 100 years or so supporting psi...

Yes, and the discoveries made as well as the abilities being done, will be through technological advancements.

One day you might be able to have a synthetic chip placed in your brain that will alter the way you can control things.
Heartagram3200
QUOTE (Papaver @ Mar 12 2008, 05:53 PM) *
None of the things that have occured in the modern age that would have been unthinkable one hundred years ago defy the laws of physics.

Your psi claims do defy known laws and that makes the nature of what you claim very different.



I remember, reading a book once, that said that before train trvale was invented, people said it would be impossible, because it would cause human blood to boil becuase of the speeds involved...

And, how come sending radio signals, and a tv or radio or satellite picking them up, is widely accepted...But the thought of sending signals by the mind, and them getting picked up by another mind is so outragous? It's the same concept...

Heartagram3200
QUOTE (Moro Bumbleroot @ Mar 12 2008, 06:00 PM) *
Yes, and the discoveries made as well as the abilities being done, will be through technological advancements.

One day you might be able to have a synthetic chip placed in your brain that will alter the way you can control things.



But that still would prove that physical objects can be altered by something than physical contact with it...Which would still end up making me right...
Moro
QUOTE (Heartagram3200 @ Mar 12 2008, 05:03 PM) *
But that still would prove that physical objects can be altered by something than physical contact with it...Which would still end up making me right...

Evetually it COULD! As of now though, no proof.

It would not make you completely right, as you would still need the chip in your head to effect the said object.
You still would not be able to do it with mere thought alone, without the the technological advancements.
Papaver
QUOTE (Heartagram3200 @ Mar 12 2008, 10:02 PM) *
And, how come sending radio signals, and a tv or radio or satellite picking them up, is widely accepted...But the thought of sending signals by the mind, and them getting picked up by another mind is so outragous? It's the same concept...


It is not the same concept. To send and receive radio signals requires specialised equipment, equipment we designed and understand. We have no such mechanism with which to achieve the same in our brains. Whilst the brain is unimaginably complicated in its entirety we do understand, for all intents and purposes, how it works. We may not be able to replicate a human brain artificially but we know that it has no mechanism by which to manipulate objects outside of it.

Physics does not allow it. Blimey, common sense doesn't allow it!
Heartagram3200
QUOTE (Papaver @ Mar 12 2008, 06:10 PM) *
It is not the same concept. To send and receive radio signals requires specialised equipment, equipment we designed and understand. We have no such mechanism with which to achieve the same in our brains. Whilst the brain is unimaginably complicated in its entirety we do understand, for all intents and purposes, how it works. We may not be able to replicate a human brain artificially but we know that it has no mechanism by which to manipulate objects outside of it.

Physics does not allow it. Blimey, common sense doesn't allow it!




Instincts? How do birds know where to fly south to for the winter? How to survive? How did the first humans know how to have sex? Couldn't this instincts we have recieve other things too?
Papaver
The things you talk of do not operate outside of known laws. It has been shown that some migratory birds have metal called magnetite in their brains.

"A recent discovery of bird navigation comes from Cornell University where William T. Keeton of Cornell discovered that pigeons (and some bees) have trace amounts of magnetite in their brain tissue. Magnetite is a compound of iron and oxygen which apparently makes the birds aware of north south magnetic orientation. Keeton released blindfolded homing pigeons which immediately found their way home. But when he released the same birds with small magnets attached to their necks, the magnets seemed to affect the birds navigational ability and the birds became disoriented."

Here is a publication on the study...

www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/ gem-projects/hm/0506-1-28-Bird_Navigation.pdf

Again, you are in the territory of considering how these claimed psi abilities work. I'll state it again - they are not even accepted to exist let alone the mechanism worked out or even worth considering. One hurdle, the proof that the phenomena is a phenomena at all, has not been jumped yet otherwise we'd be beyond debating this point and into the more interesting subject of "how and why".
jpatt
All these "kenesii" seem pretty cheesy to me (cassiokinesis anyone?), and are all effectively wholly unsubstantiated bastardizations of categories and divisions theorized by early pioneers researchers in the fringe-science field of psi, J.B. Rhine and his work at Duke University being the most modern and scientific examples, though to take nothing away from early psychical researchers.

I personally believe there is some evidence for some basic kinds of psi - telepathy, clairvoyance, "psychic" healing, precognition, psychokinesis - but I think these things are all extremely inconstant and spontaneous, certainly nothing that can currently be "harnessed" and used at will, nor with any degree of practical control or reliability. Even the meticulous statistics-laden reports of the somewhat tame ESP work of J.B. Rhine and his wife Louisa, is still not accepted by "science" in general as any sort of validation of psi, an it's not getting any better with so many people jumping on the bandwagon claiming to have every pseudo-"kinesis" ability that can be named using Latin.

So while I can appreciate psi may exist or be encountered in some rare instances, the idea of any sort of "everyday" performance of a particular "ability" is astronomically unlikely, and such exaggerated and irresponsible claims to the contrary only make the entire field more laughable and unbelievable to those who might otherwise be open-minded enough to at least consider the possibility.
bleedingelite
QUOTE (Papaver @ Mar 12 2008, 05:53 PM) *
None of the things that have occured in the modern age that would have been unthinkable one hundred years ago defy the laws of physics.

Your psi claims do defy known laws and that makes the nature of what you claim very different.


Actually, funnily enough, a lot of the things we know about now absolutely defy classic physics. We have a whole seperate set of physics now for the behaviour of subatomic particles.
Heartagram3200
Thats what I was saying...

llynx
QUOTE (bleedingelite @ Mar 12 2008, 11:44 PM) *
Actually, funnily enough, a lot of the things we know about now absolutely defy classic physics. We have a whole seperate set of physics now for the behaviour of subatomic particles.


Shoot two twin photons in opposite directions. Alter the one going left, and the one going right changes.

Shoot a photon into a substance with a particular index of refraction and observe that the photon ends up leaving the end of the substance before it enters the substance.

lol....

There are some quirky things with the really really really small bits and pieces of our universe. grin2.gif
Mahtu
QUOTE (Moro Bumbleroot @ Mar 12 2008, 03:00 PM) *
Yes, and the discoveries made as well as the abilities being done, will be through technological advancements.

One day you might be able to have a synthetic chip placed in your brain that will alter the way you can control things.


Well I happen to be a licensed psychologist who has studied the human brain extensively and all of these things make sense to me. (Of course it helps that I've used aero before.) I'm not claiming to be superhuman. On the contrary, I think that every person on earth has a more powerful mind than they think, since the average human uses only 10 percent. If anything, a chip implanted would unlock the potential that's already there, helping people achieve their potential more easily. But that does NOT mean that it's impossible to do it without technology.
Mahtu
QUOTE (jpatt @ Mar 12 2008, 03:58 PM) *
All these "kenesii" seem pretty cheesy to me (cassiokinesis anyone?), and are all effectively wholly unsubstantiated bastardizations of categories and divisions theorized by early pioneers researchers in the fringe-science field of psi, J.B. Rhine and his work at Duke University being the most modern and scientific examples, though to take nothing away from early psychical researchers.

I personally believe there is some evidence for some basic kinds of psi - telepathy, clairvoyance, "psychic" healing, precognition, psychokinesis - but I think these things are all extremely inconstant and spontaneous, certainly nothing that can currently be "harnessed" and used at will, nor with any degree of practical control or reliability. Even the meticulous statistics-laden reports of the somewhat tame ESP work of J.B. Rhine and his wife Louisa, is still not accepted by "science" in general as any sort of validation of psi, an it's not getting any better with so many people jumping on the bandwagon claiming to have every pseudo-"kinesis" ability that can be named using Latin.

So while I can appreciate psi may exist or be encountered in some rare instances, the idea of any sort of "everyday" performance of a particular "ability" is astronomically unlikely, and such exaggerated and irresponsible claims to the contrary only make the entire field more laughable and unbelievable to those who might otherwise be open-minded enough to at least consider the possibility.


Well, I do agree with the fact that too many people falsely claim to be able to use every named power in the book, but the reason for subcategories and manipulation of elements being differently named is because different types of matter move in different ways and must be manipulated in different ways, just like a fan is better for moving air than a hand. And any activity of the human brain can be practiced and harnessed if continued with enough repitition, so don't try to tell me what's impossible.
Mahtu
QUOTE (llynx @ Mar 12 2008, 05:29 PM) *
Shoot two twin photons in opposite directions. Alter the one going left, and the one going right changes.

Shoot a photon into a substance with a particular index of refraction and observe that the photon ends up leaving the end of the substance before it enters the substance.

lol....

There are some quirky things with the really really really small bits and pieces of our universe. grin2.gif


Yeah, dude. All particles that once affected each other remain in an entangled state and immediately affect each other even over vast distances, and all subatomic particles are constantly in superposition until they are forced to land on a singularity by an observer.
Papaver
QUOTE (bleedingelite @ Mar 12 2008, 11:44 PM) *
Actually, funnily enough, a lot of the things we know about now absolutely defy classic physics. We have a whole seperate set of physics now for the behaviour of subatomic particles.


Yes I will concede that. There is however a massive leap in saying that these strangenesses have a link to psi abilities. For example, these quantum weirdnesses do make mathmatical sense. They just fly in the face of our common sense but they are consistent with the equations and the quantum effects are predictable and consistent.



QUOTE (Mahtu @ Mar 13 2008, 01:07 AM) *
On the contrary, I think that every person on earth has a more powerful mind than they think, since the average human uses only 10 percent.


Not that old "10%" chestnut. That claim is entirely and demonstrably untrue and is often being used as a reason to back up claims.

"Though an alluring idea, the "10 percent myth" is so wrong it is almost laughable, says neurologist Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore.

This is a false assumption. What is correct, however, is that at certain moments in anyone's life, such as when we are simply at rest and thinking, we may be using only 10 percent of our brains.

"It turns out though, that we use virtually every part of the brain, and that [most of] the brain is active almost all the time," Gordon adds. "Let's put it this way: the brain represents three percent of the body's weight and uses 20 percent of the body's energy.

Although it's true that at any given moment all of the brain's regions are not concurrently firing, brain researchers using imaging technology have shown that, like the body's muscles, most are continually active over a 24-hour period. "Evidence would show over a day you use 100 percent of the brain," says John Henley, a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. "



Please see the full article - http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=people...ercent-of-brain



I wish people would stop trotting out that claim as a reason for the possibilty of the existence of PSI abilities.

For example, look at what happens to people when only a very small area of the brain is damaged, by stroke for example. Whilst it is possible for other parts of the brain to "step up to the plate" and compensate for loss this is in no way saying that 90% of the brain is not being tapped or being used at certain times for many different processes.
Heartagram3200
QUOTE (Papaver @ Mar 13 2008, 02:54 PM) *
Yes I will concede that. There is however a massive leap in saying that these strangenesses have a link to psi abilities. For example, these quantum weirdnesses do make mathmatical sense. They just fly in the face of our common sense but they are consistent with the equations and the quantum effects are predictable and consistent.





Not that old "10%" chestnut. That claim is entirely and demonstrably untrue and is often being used as a reason to back up claims.

"Though an alluring idea, the "10 percent myth" is so wrong it is almost laughable, says neurologist Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore.

This is a false assumption. What is correct, however, is that at certain moments in anyone's life, such as when we are simply at rest and thinking, we may be using only 10 percent of our brains.

"It turns out though, that we use virtually every part of the brain, and that [most of] the brain is active almost all the time," Gordon adds. "Let's put it this way: the brain represents three percent of the body's weight and uses 20 percent of the body's energy."



Please see the full article - http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=people...ercent-of-brain



I wish people would stop trotting out that claim as a reason for the possibilty of the existence of PSI abilities.

For example, look at what happens to people when only a very small area of the brain is damaged, by stroke for example. Whilst it is possible for other parts of the brain to "step up to the plate" and compensate for loss this is in no way saying that 90% of the brain is not being tapped or being used at certain times for many different processes.


But because you agree that the laws nows, contradict with older laws of physics, doesn't that mean, thta we could make a discovery in the future, that supports the evidence of psi?
Papaver
I agree that it is indeed possible.

What I am concerned with, as I explained before, is not with how it works but rather that it works at all. We do not have that evidence. Don't you see why I and others find it so important that you get properly tested, and subsequently become so frustrated that nobody will be properly tested?

If your abilities are real you and the other claimants are doing a very big disservice to the world and it gets us pretty wound up - as you may have noticed.
Heartagram3200
I know, I am currently starting work with Eight-Bit, for a telepathy test...Don't know if you read my statistics thread, but I had done a tets with my friend, he would think of numbers, and I would try to get them....numbers 1-10...We did 10 runs, and I got 6 right...I was checking to see what the chances were of getting 6/10 right, just by chance...Eight-Bit said it was like 1082 or something like that....But asked If I'd participate in a controlled esp test with him..I agreed, so I guess I'll start on that soon...And omg I just relized my vids due tommorow crap...Ok see yah people...
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