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Pendekar Timur
Hi,
i dont know where to put this topic..and i start it here...

Well,i need to know more about these moving rocks..
all i know is these rocks/stones can 'make a moves by themselves'..and that's
make me wonder...is it kind of strange desert 'animals'..??

Where it comes from...??is it somewhere in California..??then where..??
and for those who has more information bout these moving rocks please
share with me here...thanx.

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Magikman
Here's an older thread that provides several links with additional information;

CLICK HERE

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Athlon64
Flash floods.
man_in_mudboots
in death valley, california? i think not.
Druidus
Shouldn't this be in ancient mysteries & alternative history?
man_in_mudboots
normally, but here Mr. Pendekar was suggesting they were lifeforms, not just rocks.
Druidus
Oh. Sorry I missed that. tongue.gif Good theory though. If they were a life form, what do they feed on?
BeetlemanEXE

Has anyone ever broken one open?
Pendekar Timur
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Has anyone ever broken one open?

-good question..Mr.BeetlemanEXE.

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NightMoon
Speaking of lifeforms, is it possible the stones have a hollow and an animal lives inside it?
ansemheart
they could easily just be a hoax
Monkyburd
I have heard about this phenomenon for a while, and I have found a very reasonable explanation. It does have its problems though.

blink.gif During the winter season, death valley recieves small amounts of rainfall (infinately small, it is death valley) and at night it freezes into a big sheet of ice.

original.gif When wind blows over the stones they move easier on the ice, sliding along with much less friction.

grin2.gif When morning comes, the ice begins to melt and crack, showing why the rocks form different trails in different directions. This freezing and unfreezing process could go on for many nights in a row.

Naveed
I think it's a colony of supersized ants that come out only at certain times of the night and push the rocks around as a sport, so they can see who is strongest. cat.gif Or perhaps there are some really strong dung beetles that have been pushing around dinosaur crap for the last 65 million years. wink2.gif
lightedfire
Hi Pendal

the moving rocks are a very interesting subject.
i believe that they may be an alien life form.
There is a rock on Dartmoor in Devon called the mew stone that is
supposed to move. wink2.gif

[Edit: Lightedfire, please don't post in caps. I've changed the case and corrected your spelling]
man_in_mudboots
QUOTE (Druidus @ Apr 23 2004, 12:32 AM)
Oh. Sorry I missed that. Good theory though. If they were a life form, what do they feed on?

its almost got to be mud/dirt/dust or other mocing rocks, since thats just about all their is in the area of these moving rocks. happy.gif

anyway, people have broken the open and revealed......just the plain, boring, core of a rock.
Naveed
HA! My theory of giant ants is coming closer to reality... cool.gif
man_in_mudboots
camaras set around the area didnt catch any giant olympic ants, either. look, people have done just about everything you could think of to these rocks. after a while, there wont be a rock in death valley that hasnt been cracked, disected, frozen, tied in place, gluded down, blasted with acid, poked, prodded, shot, taken to laboratories, or sampled to find the rocks mineral (or in some cases, genetic laugh.gif ) makeup.
Naveed
Oh sure, you're just out to attack my delusions! First my ewoks now my ants...next you're gonna tell me that the muppets aren't real and that they are just somekind of puppet...is there any room for my insanity in the world? rolleyes.gif alien.gif wink2.gif rolleyes.gif ph34r.gif bounce.gif wavey.gif sasmokin.gif

doc123
I think you can go to this web site for more information.

http://www.death-valley.us/article332.html

It seems that one explanation for the moving rocks is mud, water, and wind. These can get pretty extreme in Death Valley. Still, nothing has been proved.
ScreaminEagle
Notice the area of the valley how the mud is in a kind of honeycomb pattern. Might could have something to do with CSE. (cavernous structures effect)
man_in_mudboots
nah. its just the dirt gets muddy, then dries out really fast, so it contracts, froming cracks like that.
Pendekar Timur
QUOTE (doc123 @ May 3 2004, 11:27 PM)
I think you can go to this web site for more information.

http://www.death-valley.us/article332.html

It seems that one explanation for the moving rocks is mud, water, and wind. These can get pretty extreme in Death Valley. Still, nothing has been proved.

...still nothin have been proved...??
..that's make me wonder and it cause those rocks to be more interesting to study....rite??


Thanks for the nice link.
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Curiosity
Here's another link about the moving rocks of racetrack playa. CLICK HERE
Chauncy
These rocks are pretty nifty. The ice sheet theory is ok but there is one problem, if the ice sheet and the rocks move together there would be no intersecting trails. And we can clearly see that some trails do cross each other during the same movement, so the ice theory doesn't really jive with me.

The wind and a slick muddy surface seems logical but I think we would see this phenomenom else where if it was just these two conditions that were needed to move the rocks.

I haven't found anything on seismology, a sharp vibration could move the rocks like that. The one site I found from Magikman's linked thread had maps of these rocks' paths. When I first looked at the maps I thought of vibrations. Where as a good example would be to put some pebbles on a washing machine on spin cycle the vibrations would move the pebbles all around like the paths on the maps. They do I just tried it.

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Curiosity
just got an idea...what if it's because of a magnetic field there or somthing? w00t.gif
Pyro Pheenix
there was some little creature that lived in the oceans near north england, that lived in hollow rocks or something like that. maybe it is the same kind of thing. or it could be like the dunes at pemberton. the dunes can re-arrange themselves over night.
Pendekar Timur
whisper
Good theory..
...yea,lets check it out... wink2.gif


Pheenix
...bout the creatures..can you details..?? rolleyes.gif

gjsart
A quick interesting item from About's paranormal section about AnimalsFound Sealed in Stone. Seems that in the 17 and 1800's, there were a bunch of "well-documented" cases people finding live toads and lizards which were completely encased in stone, with no discernible way that they had entered, or how they had survived in there. Some cases even report that there was an impression in the rock cavity in the shape and size of the animal. Also, there was supposedly a group of miners who in the 1850's in France, found a living pterodactyl in the same condition. It all seems highly unlikely, but fun nonetheless.
...you never know....
ambyglam
maybe all the people who had pet rocks were not so stupid after all, they seem really interesting now!

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KayEl
The way the rocks moved is similar to the way a glass moved by itself when a layer of condensation form between its bottom and the top of the table. Gently blow on it and watch it move across the tabletop.

So the same thing happend to the rock. It rained, forming a thin layer of layer and wind blew the rocks across the surface!

There! SOLVED!!!!
Bow to my superior intellect!!!! rainfro.gif
Chauncy
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The way the rocks moved is similar to the way a glass moved by itself when a layer of condensation form between its bottom and the top of the table. Gently blow on it and watch it move across the tabletop.


Yes but it would seem to me that in the instance of the glass that the condensation is all ready at the bottom of the glass before it makes contact with the surface it slides on.

Is there instances of people bringing rocks there and charting movement?
tendo
i would have to go with the magnetism, or the techtonic vibrations...has ne one seen if these rocks have a high iron concentration? or, since that meteor hit california, couldnt these rocks maybe be part of that that got flung out, and now are shifting with the magnetism of the earth?
psi guy
You have to keep in mind that these rocks could just be moved by a person who has devoloped advanced telekenisis. Or caused by earthquakes.
BurnSide
Of course! Why didn't i think of that!!?

Some guy has the power to move these rocks from miles away with his mind for the sheer hell of it.

psi guy, i think you've cracked it.
psi guy
just a theroy
PsychicPenguin
OK.. actualy because of the proximity of the site to the Area 51, these rocks are actualy government experiments on a new generation of bombs. grin2.gif
druidpagen
well like someone said before the easiest way would be to set up a time frame camera. of course maybe the person doesn't want to see what the camera would catch. would you be happy seeing a rock scutle across the desert or would it leave you even more bafled. my idea is it might be a type of beetle(ever seen dung beetles?) insects seems to be able to move over 100X there body weight. the beetles could be using the stone for protection and water(condensation) but that wouldn't explain why the beetle would want to move it around but does a bug really have a reason for anything?
man_in_mudboots
QUOTE (druidpagen @ Jul 20 2004, 06:07 AM)
well like someone said before the easiest way would be to set up a time frame camera.

for cryin out loud, people have, over and over again, and the films just show rocks steadily sliding around. no giant dung beetles, no levitation, or magical glowing smoke, or people pushing them, just rocks..........sliding around. i think you folks are blowing this out of proportion.
Pendekar Timur
QUOTE (PsychicPenguin @ Jul 19 2004, 06:45 AM)
OK.. actualy because of the proximity of the site to the Area 51, these rocks are actualy government experiments on a new generation of bombs. grin2.gif

......what..?? ohmy.gif
p/s- you are just kiddin,right...?? rolleyes.gif


man in mudboots
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....it is okay,i think they are just trying to craked the mystery... tongue.gif

Universal Absurdity
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Is there instances of people bringing rocks there and charting movement?


I dont know about people bringing rocks there, but there was one man who put GPS devices on the rocks. Crazy stuff Click. Oddly, he named them all after women.
man_in_mudboots
i think hes been standing in the sun watching those rocks a bit too long.....
Pendekar Timur
QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Jul 29 2004, 03:15 AM)
i think hes been standing in the sun watching those rocks a bit too long.....

......funny...!! thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif grin2.gif

p/s-oh boy...its still mystery.... huh.gif
Uncle Meat
some guy wasted a lot of his time dragging a rock through some dirt....... blink.gif
VampChilde18
QUOTE (UniversalAbsurdity @ Jul 28 2004, 02:10 PM)
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Is there instances of people bringing rocks there and charting movement?


I dont know about people bringing rocks there, but there was one man who put GPS devices on the rocks. Crazy stuff Click. Oddly, he named them all after women.

I notice something on the chart, the larger the rock is the farther it moved. Maybe the moving has something to do with mass??? or volume????? maybe density????? who knows. anyone have a theory?
Pendekar Timur
any new informations about these mystery rocks dude...?? huh.gif
i really love to hear it,please... yes.gif
dragonlady_mothman
I heard somewhere the wind blew them...which is reall, really hillarious. huh.gif
XSAS
QUOTE(Monkyburd @ Apr 28 2004, 02:34 AM) [snapback]163041[/snapback]

I have heard about this phenomenon for a while, and I have found a very reasonable explanation. It does have its problems though.

blink.gif During the winter season, death valley recieves small amounts of rainfall (infinately small, it is death valley) and at night it freezes into a big sheet of ice.

original.gif When wind blows over the stones they move easier on the ice, sliding along with much less friction.

grin2.gif When morning comes, the ice begins to melt and crack, showing why the rocks form different trails in different directions. This freezing and unfreezing process could go on for many nights in a row.


This is a similar conclusion to what I once saw on a TV program and one that is probably more logical.
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