I have a few questions that might be fun to discuss. First, does Adam and Eve have a belly button? Second, did Cain really kill Abel? How did Cain know he could kill Abel during a time in history when nobody has ever died or been murdered?

Mmmm.. I was not there... so I don't know if they had belly buttons or not.....and yes.. Cain really did kill Able... (because I believe what the Bible says).....And I dont know if Cain "knew" he could kill Able .. the bible doesn't say .... but anger is a natural emotion... and I guess he decided to take it out on Able .... and then it was like "OOPS!".....

Why didn't you include Lillith? You know, Adam's first wife. The one who God made into a vampire because she wouldn't be subservient to Adam. Apparently Lillith and Cain became the first vamps.

I don't believe in Lilith. She was just a legend made by Jews.

Well, if one part of the bible is wrong then I guess the whole of it is probably inaccurate.

Is it just me, or does anyone else find those who really, truly believe in the Bible word for word just a little bit scary...?

Oh I am.... believe me, I really am...

"You" calling the bible and what I believe just a "legend" is not insulting to me.... I believe what I believe... you believe what you believe.

Oh yeah... I'm not your "Hon"

I'm glad you guys are debating about who Adam's first wive was, but that wasn't either one of the questions. The belly button is a scar from the umbilical cord, so how did they have a naval? They were never born. I think it's funny in a sick kind of way that Cain was getting out his frustration and accidentally killed his brother. He must've been really freaking scared when it happened.

Belly button's come from being connected to your mother in the womb, and since neither of them were connected, they do not have a belly button

You could also say that Lilith was the first feminist

go girl

This thread is quite pointless.

How would anyone know if they had navels or not? All we have are artistic impressions of these people who may or may not have lived.

And what would knowing if they had navels or not mean?

regarding Lilith,I was listening to a Bible historian on the radio who claimed Lilith was created first and gave birth to Adam,the fact that a woman was first posed a great threat to the established church ,regarding male heirachy,so was altered by them.

this is also born out by the fact that later editions of the bible completely ignore the bathing incident involving Pinchmewell!!!!

I've never heard of lilth before. Where can I find more inro about her?

those are some fascinating questions... but why on earth would u wanna know if adam and eve had a belly button? i guess it makes sense if u think about it, cause it would relate to them being born or something? and the cain and abel question that is a good one.. i agree ur emotion of anger takes over.. u can do anything i guess.. emotion is a strong field in your body..

Cain didnt become a vampire, he founded a city with his wife (who appeared out of nowhere).

Let's face it the entire book is legends made up by Jews or mythology stolen from other Semitic peoples (to include the non-semitic Egyptians). The whole point is moot about belly buttons because as mythology, you can have it either way!

Let's take it one step further, as I recall Cain killed Aable then he was cast out into the wilderness where he found his mate. Where did she come from?

well like my real name is Abel I always like this subject. I think that Cain did'nt know that he can killed persons and that what what happen to Abel was a accident(though I remember that if you were in eden you coul'dnt die ,and after adam and eve were thrown out was when human were no longer ''immortal'') And were did cain ife appeared, Is either that god started to make more humans or is that it was a daughter of Adam and Eve and therefore cain"s sister.(I know is nasty but hey the human race had to start like that. Thats why i used think thay said Adam and eve were our parents and that every said we should treat each other like brothers

They can be scary, yes.

One line of theology on the stories in the first 11 chapters of Genesis is that they were not meant to be read as historically accurate accounts, but neither are the anit-historical. They are somewhere in between, legend maybe (that's probably not the exact right word).

Adam and Eve may not have been actual people, they might be early civilizations and their fall into sin, told in the form of a story about two people. Same for the story of Cain and Able.

If that is true, that does not mean that those stories are worthless. To the contrary, they tell us that God created everything in our world, that he created us, and that we wrecked his perfect creation due to our aspirations, leading to the introduction of sin into the world.

I too find the 'literal word' believers somewhat disconcerting too. A friend of mine has suddenly gone 'down that road' and admit I have to worry about where he's coming from these days. I know many devout Christians who have done intense Bible studies and none of them take every word literally. Most of them consider what was written as mainly a series of metaphors, analogies and parables and take into account the historical contexts. The 'word' doesnt define the beliefs but helps to 'anchor' them and give them guidance through contemplation and prayer. I cannot profess to be a true Christian though I do have my own spiritual beliefs, but I have found the latter type I mentioned are far more loving, giving, caring and non judgmental than their fundamentalist couterparts, and accept me as I am as I do them. Each to their own I think. Unfortunately though in my experience, the former tend to be more 'hell fire and brimstone' in their attitude and approach and I'm glad this is not the middle ages when they might find some excuse to have me burnt at the stake!

With regards to the Old Testament, there is something I have been very curious about and no one seems to be able to explain to me adequately. Who were the "nephilim' referred to in Genesis?

Cain did not marry his sister.If you read the text as a liner,complete,and concise rendering its clear the Races were created on the 6th day.God looked upon them and it was good.This is the source of CainsOn the 8th day "the" man Adam was created.It is this separate Adam and his Eve that form the bloodline that will make it possible for the Messiah's first Advent.It is this keeping of the blood pure that was the basis for Satans intercesion in the Garden, and the necessity to flood that portion of the world the offspring of the Nephilim lived.These Nephilim are the "fallen ones".The ones separated out after the Rebellion.Gods created souls who refused to be born of women but left there habitation to lay with the daughters of man.Its this kind of clarity of the Word one can only get thru the use of a Strongs Concordance-usdi Agaluga

Sorry if my typing is incorrect.I hope you understand I said Cains wife was of the 6th day creation.

Somehow, I don't see that - here is the actual scripture and it mentions race not at all or anything else like it:

1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
1:30
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Where is the races?

You better go back to Strong's for all the good that will do!

To your question about Adam and Eve`s belly button.I don`t think anyone
will be able to know for sure. But my opinion is NO,they didn`t have a belly button.
A belly button is only for the baby to feed threw. And if Adam and Eve where put
on Earth full grown,what would be the purpose of a belly button be for.

And I believe that Cain knew he killed Able.Because Cains murder came after Eve ate and gave
the forbidden fruit to Adam, SIN was know upon the Earth.

"where is the races?"

When people say man they mean the whole of humans. yellow, black, etc. so when god created man he created all colors. just think of the even worse racism that there would be if the bible said "first god created yellow people then white then black" and it was ordered like that. i think it is also a reminder that no matter what color we are all human all created by one in his image. i am no different from you as you are from me b/c we come from the same father making us brothers.

It's a minor point that really doesn't relate that much to our times at all.

My last comment on this topic is best said by Independent1, if I may quote:



After all is said and done, I believe that is what the Creator, whatever and whoever it is, means for us.

Else we would not have been given the option.

Ya think?

When reading how God created man with out checking Strongs you will miss the fact that the word really is Mankind. The Races.All of them all at once.On the eighth day God created Man ("the Adam").The specific bloodline, to be kept pure for the birth of the Messiah.Ppl think everyone comes from Adam and Eve .The Bible does not sat that.-usdi Agaluga

At that time (the sixth day) Mankind consisted of two individuals - Adam and Eve...so what Stong (and you) are saying is that Adam was half white half black and Eve was oriental? Or maybe God put everyone else outside the Garden of Eden - Sorry as usual, just another half-baked Xian attempt to explain their contradictory and totally messed up mythology!

You're not alone... you should meet my dad!

Regarding the belly button issue.. if Adam and Eve didn't have one... what did they think when Cain and Abel had one?

There's something I don't get in the bible.. a person appears and there was no mention of her creation. Damn. Lemme go see.

If I say "Amen", will it sound strange?

May be minor but my curiousity still would like to be assuaged as to the reference.

Im so unsure about this subject, i want to belive in god, but there are so many things that say he's just not real, and some people have done so many crule things in the name of god, like burning witches, they were just women. And all the wars that go on, there are so many crule things that go on these days, id'e like to think that when i die thats just what i do, stop.

Soz if i got a bit deep then, im that kind of mood

As for the bellybutton thing, i shouldn't see why they would have one if they wern't born

There is no reason for you as a spiritually minded person to NOT believe in God (or a Creator) whomever He, She or - dare I even say "It" - may be. The cruelties to which you refer that have been enacted upon man(woman)kind since time immemorial in "the name of God" are very much the actions of people not any deity.
I've truly have endeavoured to educate myself about / acqauint myself with various belief systems and have yet to find any that in their 'purest essence' consciously advocate cruelty, violence, , persecution, self punishment etc of any kind.
I also truly believe any such doctrines that encompass such blandishments and punishments were devised for the purpose of manipulating the masses (e.g. to control and/ or 'brainwash' people to think. act and behave in specific ways, basically through fear.)
Although I cannot call myself a "Christian" or otherwise in the sense that I adhere to a specific faith or am tied to any religious ideology, although I would like to think that the essence of what Jesus, Buddha and Krishna stood for (whether they existed in reality or not) still has value and worth in our modern day and age. Peace, love, compassion, caring, healing!!!
All things considered, my attitudes and opinions probably would have me labelled me an agnostict or atheist (and in times gone by would have been burnt at stake or drowned).
I don't buy into the anger, fear, guilt and power trips any more however! Have faith in your own appreciation and wonder of creation and all that is good in whatever way you see fit.

Sorry read your bible again.

Lilith's name does appear once in the Old Testament at Isaiah 34:14, where it is translated as "great owl" in the King James Version of the Bible, leading to Lilith often being portrayed in imagery as an owl (this interpretation has been disputed).

However, some interpret the passage in Genesis 1:27 — "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" — before describing a mate being made of Adam's rib and being called Eve in Genesis 2:22, to mean that Adam had a wife before Eve, and that this could have been Lilith. However, this divergence is often explained as a careless weaving together of two discrete biblical creation myths, as the Bible describes man being created in both Genesis 1:26 and 2:27.

Lilith's name also appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls in passages that are based on the above-noted Isaiah reference, and in various places in the Talmud and the Zohar.

TNO. Dropping bombs like a mo fo.

.......interesting......i really NEVER thought about if adam and eve had belly bottons...... but i dont think they would because they wernt created like normal people conected to their mothers by umbilical cords.... so why would they need them....

I agree with Apocalyptic - they not born from any mothers - they weren't born from God having an umbilical cord - the truth is, they dont.

Hey everyone,

Did Adam and Eve have a belly button?
*Well, like a lot of folk, I believe that Adam and Eve did not have a belly button because Adam was created as an adult and Eve was made from Adam as an adult(I believe so) and if so, would have no use for one.
[Gen. 2:7- --the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Gen. 2:22- Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib He had taken out of man, and brought her to the man.]


Did Cain really kill Abel?
*Yes, at least the Bible says he did.
[Gen. 4:8- Now Cain said to his brother Abel,"Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.]


How did Cain know that he could kill Abel during a time in history when nobody had died or had been murdered yet?
*Well, he probably didn't "know" that he could kill Abel, but was very angry with him and "happened" to kill him.
[Gen. 4:3 and 5- In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord God... but on Cain and his offering He did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.]




Scary? To those who are afraid of truth I suppose...


Hmm... Lets see, although the Bible doesn't refer to where Cain's wife came from, it's obvious to assume that his wife was a daughter of Adam and Eve, or in other words, his sister. The Bible does say that Adam had many sons and daughters but doesn't say when and how many. We are not told when Cain married or any of the details of other marriages and children, but we can say that some brothers had to marry their sisters at the beginning of human history. Abraham married his half-sister (Genesis 20:12). The Lord God blessed this union to produce the Hebrew people through Isaac and Jacob. It was not until some 400 years later that the Lord God gave Moses laws that forbade such marriages.


How do you know that Cain did not marry his sister? Were you there? Neither was I, so I can not say for certain. If you read the text(Gen. 1-4) as a complete rendering, it is clear that there was no one else other than Adam, Eve, and their children. The "race"s most likely weren't created seperately from Adam, but "developed" later on by genetic mutations and people with similar physical features grouping together(my opinion ). As for when Adam was created, it was on Day 6 of the creation, not Day 8. In verse 26 of chapter 1 of Genesis, "man" refers to the beginning of mankind through Adam, not the creation of multitudes of men from different races. Chapter 2, starting at verse 7 and ending at verse 25, just goes into detail about how the Lord God created mankind through Adam. I hope that helps somewhat.

Here is an interesting, thought provoking read about the origin of races. Don't click the link unless you read all of the article and thoroughly comprenhend it.
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Thanks everyone,
~yotomias