I discuss a lot of "mysterys" with my gradfather and a while ago we were discussing how the pyramids were created. Untill he brought it up I just excepted the fact that thousands of workers put them together but apon further investigation the blocks are to big. I dont think thier was a material strong enough to pull thoughs blocks.
Secondly why are thier pictures and toys in the pyramids that look like airplane?

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Before you come too a conclusion like that, you need to research a bit. How big were the blocks? How much did they weigh? Were they dragged roughly through the sand, or was there some sort of conveyance that facilitated the process? On average, each individual block is smaller than one of the stone Moais on Easter Island, yet we know for a fact that those were pulled and pushed into position, so why would you say the Egyptian blocks were too big?

I'm not sure what pictures or toys you are referring too. Do you have a credible source?

It must be that helicopter and airplanes thing written in hieroglyph. Yes that thing is real. People explain it as a result of erosion.

As there is no written record we are left to conjecture. I suspect they had some type of crane or other device which we have not yet found evidence for. Though scientists claim they have theories, none of the hold up under close examination. It is indeed a mystery.

Also, the fact that one third of Egyptiab mummies had substantial traces of cocaine and nicotine in their systems is also very mysterious. These were strictly North and South American products. Considering trade with the new world didn't start for another 1,500 years!

A mountain can be moved given enough determination and resources.

A real poser of a question...That nobody can truthfully answer. But the stone blocks used to build the Great pyramid (Cheops) are actually tiny compared to the building of Baalbek
See the chap laying on the top of this 800 tonne monster. What kind of technology was used to move and place stone blocks like this? Nobody, and I mean nobody can really tell you that.
Vimjams

The egyptians were mathematical genuises and their engineering skills were unbelivably advanded.They wanted to build pyramids so they did it. We may never find out how they did it but they did and that shows us what we can accomplish as humans when we are determined. We cant build a pyramid like theirs with all our advanced technology so how did they do it?????????????? They worked it out and I`m sure we could if we really tried.

Maybe aliens came and helped build them or the remaining atlantines......lol
Nah it was plain and simple human ingenuity. We can achieve anything.

No doubts about the ancient Egyptians being very clever...What happened to them?
It's a fact that as time past their knowledge waned and later pyramid building wasn't up to scratch. The further back you go...the more advanced they were.
I personally believe the same technology (now lost to us) was used to build the monuments on Mars...Disaster struck and civilisation was destroyed. Survivors came to Earth bringing with them (knowhow) and what was left of their technology...They simply embarked on a programme of reconstructing their own 'lost World' here. What we now have with our mysterious past, are just unanswered questions that our 'experts' and technology just cannot compare with.
It's just a theory...but it does go some way in solving some of the questions asked.
Vimjams
Here's another picture to ponder over. Even today we would be hard-pressed to lift something like these stones. See the guys standing in the middle for size comparison.

dragon,

It has been repeatidly performed over and over in human nature when things cannot be explained by simple means the most complex of answers are tossed aside because the simplest of people wont exceppt what they dont understand. or cant want to understand.

I too find it hard to belive that it was possible for the people to move such stones in place and fassen them together in such a way that they did using simple technolgy they had at that time.

But what strikes me the most is why and what inspired them to build them. I Realy think that is the sorce of the answer. As far as the pictures and writings on the walls they were simple as the technolgy and the wisdom they had at the time they were built. they were so simple they could be interpreted in more ways then one. they built such superior structures with limited technolgy showing such detail that has lasted for more years then i feel they could not of possibly of known and then they could not tell there stories on the walls so there could be no mistake in there meaning. there seems to be c conflict of inteligence there.

My outlook is this they were a superior force of there time on earth but a more superior force came along and (MADE OR CONVINCED) them to build them. then they left and they were alone to tell there stories and now we dont realy know the answers to our whys but there they are and there they stay and unless the grater force returns to explain why we will never know for shure because the story tellers who wrote on the walls so many years ago are long gone and the intelligence they had dont flat out tell us. do they

Its like having the intelligence to build a car but not the intelligence to write a manual on how to use it .

You wonder what inspired them to build it? Their GOD did, of course! If the Pharoah said "Do it.", it got done.

humm.. maybe the pyramid is a project similar to this

http://www.keo.org/uk/pages/default.html

The ancient Egyptians created the great pyramid to make them remembered by the rest of humanity, long after their civilization has gone.

Its amazing what you can do with a few hundred thousands slaves and a big whip.

The pyramid was not built by slaves. It was built by proud Egyptians serving their pharaoh.

The ancient Egyptians had both the knowledge and man power to carry this out. Here's an interesting article about one fellow who has some good insight on how this was achieved.

http://www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0404/01/...d06e-109393.htm

Here's a snip:

“If we had these great advanced civilizations, why didn’t we find any of their cell phones or laptops?” he asks with a smile.

Besides, if he can move and stand a nearly 10-ton block on his own, using only tools of wood and stones for fulcrums, then certainly the ancients, with thousands of laborers, could build the pyramids.

“I know how they did it,” he says with absolute certainty. “I’d always thought there was a simple explanation, but it’s really beyond simple.”

Ancient people may not have had advanced technology but that doesn't make them any less intelligent.

Interesting article lilly but theres no way, people using those techniques could have moved the 800 ton blocks at Baalbek.

It is an interesting article Lilly and also very feasible...I have read somewhere that the Egyptians also mastered the techniques of 'hydro power' and this was also used to explain how they manoeuvred these stones.
But, as Venomshocker [points out...How do you think 800 tonne blocks could be picked up and placed?
Vimjams

I'd like to see a copy of that 'unpleasant' email I sent you...to compare it with my copy.

There were many technologies available. These technologies include pouring the rock in place. The archaeological community has proven it was not done by slaves in the last few years. They found the quarters of the masons who built it. The real difficulty of the issue is the FIT of the stones (1/50th of an inch) and the sarcophagus (I/150th). The American Research Center in Egypt (ARCE) has shown they were built before Egyptologists say. Rick Gore of National Geo gets it right in his article about the Pharoahs of the Sun in April 2000 or 2001 when he quotes Egyptologists who say anyone writing about theese peole is writing fiction.



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Persistent aren't you, Mr the Bruce. Please don't advertise your books on this forum without permission.

Robert The Bruce
When I was at school, we were taught that thousands of slaves built the Great Pyramid by pulling these blocks on rollers and lifting them up on ramps made of sand. I have no idea where this theory came from...But it was in all the history books we were shown. so I assume the science community were responsible. Ever sinse then (the science community) have been constantly revising their opinions about how this was done: And they still keep guessing.
What is known...Is exactly what you have said. There is no evidence to suggest that sand 'ramps' were used...(They'd have to be larger than the pyramid itself) and no evidence of the vast (slave accommodation) or agriculture needed to feed them.
Some scientists simply believe theories when it suits them...You know: Like the beginning of everything started with a 'Big Bang'!
Vimjams

There was actually a painting from Egypt or something like that showing hundreds of egyptians pulling the stone blocks on rollers. Thats where the idea came from I heard.

I've seen something like that too Stellar...And I do recall seeing pyramid wall designs showing images of exactly that. But they were in pyramids built long after those at Giza. Anyhow, when I was at school we still got caned and had to stand on chairs for being naughty.
Vimjams

Diebytheflyguy...Any links to or pictures of this glass pyramid? I would like to see that.
Vimjams

By-passing everything, this topic has already been started and argued until we were blue in the face a little while ago. All my opinions can be found there. Let's just say, with e'nuff man power anything can be accomplished.

There are many theories on how the pyramids were constructed, and maybe we will never know the truth of it, but isn’t it strange how the technology was lost

Thanks Magikman...It took a while and a lot of 'clicking' to find a decent photo. I think the US should be proud of it (and show-off this achievement)...The whole layout is very impressive. One can almost get the feeling of what it must have really been like at Giza!!!

The technology might not be 'lost' Doomgirl...Maybe just (Incapable) of being understood (?)
Vimjams

Well, I'm a scientist (a geologist), my father was an engineer and I know other people of like training and such whom I've discussed this subject with on many ocassions in the past. They've all come to the same conclusion.......given the technology, science and knowledge of mathematics that the ancient Egyptians were supposed to have had, the building of the three pyramids at the Giza complex would've been impossible.

How they were built is upto conjecture, but in the final analysis, all I can say is the only way we're ever going to be able to resolve this question is to build a time machine and go back to the dates specified by the Egyptologists/Archaeologists and see for ourselves. Simple as that. If (although it's more of a case of when) they prove to be wrong, then we have to findout when, how and why. Then we go onto other theories and test those.

I myself created a huge thread about the pyramids. I am a fairly intelligent human being and I know for a fact there is something more than just human creation of these pyramids. You people are talking about all these slaves and you may be very wrong. The pharoah who ordered construction of the pyramid died very early in the time span of the supposed 20 years of building. It was said 100,000 slaves helped drag and carve these stones for 20 years until the 3 pyramids were finished. Don't think so. 100,000 people...think about it. Where did they all come from first of all. I've done a hell of a lot more research into this than most people on this forum. There was not that many people in the area during that time. They would have had to ship slaves from all over just to get the people. Also where would they get the food to feed these thousands of people in the middle of the desert? I've read all sorts of things about extraterrestrial involvement and I can say I believe that a form of life with higher technology than us did indeed help. I have seen many of the drawings and carvings into the inside of the pyramid and there is a lot of weird things. Of course it shows humans doing this work. It also shows a lot of unexplainable pictures that I have no answer for. There is all sorts of pictures of flying crafts on the walls of which can't be explained too well. I will follow with a post of some things you may not know about the pyramid.

I don't have my books on me at the moment I am typing this but the fact of the matter is you people need to stop thinking with your brains and start thinking with your spirit. Think about this, the aztecs, the incas, the egyptians, and whatever other advanced civilizations you may be able to think of disappeared. These groups all vanished because they had help from a higher advanced form of life. I have looked through almost what you might call blueprints for the Great Pyramid. A lot of people don't know about all the mystery of the Great Pyramid. There used to be a set of stairs that led to what was called the Secret Hallway. It is a hallway that is a great number of feet below the bottom of the pyramid. You may not think that the pyramid goes below the actual bottom but it does. There is underground chambers and all sorts of things. Anyway as you walk down the stairs and into the hallway you leave the 3rd dimension in which we currently live and enter the 4th dimension. We don't know much about the 4th dimension as we can't comprehend what it actually may be like. Living in the 4th dimension, your thoughts instantly come true, which is why many have died going down this staircase. You enter a new world and you dont know what to think. If you think you are going to die, you're dead. All these ancient civilizations vanished because they entered christ consciousness. They have ascended to the next level of living. We are going to enter the 4th dimension as well as soon as the poles shift. The wavelength on which we think is going to change 180 degrees. The way the Egyptians would ascend to the next level of consciousness is simple. They had 3 chambers in the pyramid. They would have to start at chamber A at the lower part of the pyramid and go to chamber B at the top and eventually chamber C in the middle. Once they did a certain amount of mediation their body would simply move up to the next dimension. This may be hard for some of you who don't understand the concepts of their being multiple dimensions here on Earth. There is 12 dimensions, 2-13 and 12 octaves to each one.

The pyramids also could have very well been here before we were even here...the rocks have been dated to be older than 2500 BC which is when they were built.

Sounds less like research and more like made up.

Oh, and the Inca did not disappear. My people were killed by disease and war with the Spaniards. The only thing left of the once glorious Quetchua civilization are a few dirt poor herder in the mountains, scraping together a living by selling Llama hair rugs to tourists for a few dollars.

Please do me the favor of not romanticizing their downfall with some cock and bull story of ascention to an alternate dimension.

Hey people remember me....

The old school memebers know who i am...

Anyways i just came back from Egypt and Jordan...

And i'll tell you what those pyramids were amazing... They look bigger on tv and in books but when you actually see them in real life they take your breathy away.

I personally dont think the Egyptians built them.. i suspect another race helped them... (long forgotten) or they got help from some far out place... Our guide around the pyramids told us how the Egyptians got help from another race... he believes either the hellenes from main land greece helped them or the minoans........


anyways hope all are well

I have to agree, there is a huge mystery behind the pyramids and the civilisations behind them.

FROM: Pharoahe Posted on May 4 2004, 05:59 PM

Why the hell are the mods deleting my posts!?!? I had every right to ask him if he's comming up with the ideas himself or if he has some credible site backing him up!

Heh actually a friend inspired me when he threw out all these theories one day. Since that day I have been reading every single thing possible I have been able to. You cannot find the secret hallway on the internet. I am going to go to the pyramids this summer and also I am going to go to a flower of life workshop with Bob Frissell and he has gone through the pyramids himself. I get very little information from the internet, although for when i created my thread somewhere in the UFO section I used a lot of information that I got off the internet but it was all true facts someone can list them, there was 10 or so amazing facts about the pyramid.

Well, I really doubt theres another dimension (as in another universe) under the pyramids.

Wow! When I posed the question I did not think it would get so many replies and create so many more questions then I originally had. I stumbled apon this site the other day and I figured that it pertains some what to the pyramids.

Take a look: http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_5.htm

Sorry, but I've been to the pyramids, and yes, I even went to the underground passage (it's not a mystery, you can find it on pretty much any side diagram of the pyramid). Granted, this was accomplished due to some generous silver crossing palms, but nonetheless, I did crawl through the underground passages and found nothing to indicate that it was anything other than a descent shaft and chamber of lesser quality than the two above it. Even the shaft extending from the chamber towards the south is unfinished. I made it all the way to the end before having to fight of a sudden onset of claustrophobia. I will grant that it is scary down there.

If a retired construction worker from Michigan can figure out how to move 10 ton blocks by himself in his back yard, I'm sure the ancient Egyptians, with thousands of workers, could build the Pyramids. They could feasably even have moved 800 ton blocks, given enough workers. You lot don't seem to want to give Mankind any credit for being intelligent enough to do what we set our minds to doing.

There is a lot of facts being left out here...You are failing to explain where they got food or where these thousands of slaves slept...where did the rock come from, according to what I've learned it came from quite the distance. Humans may have built the pyramids but it was with the help of something else. The stairway is actually not even near the pyramid for whomever said they have been in the hallway. The staircase was closed off because too many tourists walked down the stairs and killed themselves once they were down there. It could possibly be hundreds of feet away from the pyramid. If you people question the meditation in the 3 chambers I will fully describe the process and even quote some books if you'd like. I can also list a few facts some of you may not know.

Are any of you familiar with the Emerald Tablets of Toth the Atlantean by Hermes Trismegistus?

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html

Down sank Atlantis beneath the dark waves.
Shattered the gateway that had been opened;
shattered the doorway that led down below.
All of the islands were shattered except UNAL,
and part of the island of the sons of the DWELLER.

Preserved HE them to be the teachers,
Lights on the path for those to come after,
Lights for the lesser children of men.

Called HE then, I THOTH, before him,
gave me commands for all I should do, saying;
"Take thou, O THOTH, all of your wisdom.

Take all your records, Take all your magic.
Go thou forth as a teacher of men.
Go thou forth reserving the records
until in time LIGHT grows among men.
LIGHT shalt thou be all through the ages,
hidden yet found by enlightened men.
Over all Earth, give WE ye power,
free thou to give or take it away.

Gather thou now the sons of Atlantis.
Take them and flee to the people of the rock caves.
Fly to the land of the Children of KHEM."
Then gathered I the sons of Atlantis.
Into the spaceship I brought all my records,
brought the records of sunken Atlantis.
Gathered I all of my powers,
instruments many of mighty magic.

Up then we rose on wings of the morning.
High we arose above the Temple,
leaving behind the Three and DWELLER,
deep in the HALLS 'neath the Temple,
closing the pathway to the LORDS of the Cycles.

Yet ever to him who has knowing,
open shall be the path to AMENTI.
Fast fled we then on the wings of the morning,
fled to the land of the children of KHEM.
There by my power,
I conquered and ruled them.

Raised I to LIGHT,
the children of KHEM.
Deep 'neath the rocks,
I buried my spaceship,
waiting the time when man might be free.

Over the spaceship,
erected a marker in the form
of a lion yet like unto man.
There 'neath the image rests yet my spaceship,
forth to be brought when need shall arise.

Know ye, O man, that far in the future,
invaders shall come from out of the deep.
Then awake, ye who have wisdom.
Bring forth my ship and conquer with ease.
Deep 'neath the image lies my secret.
Search and find in the pyramid I built.

Each to the other is the Keystone;
each the gateway that leads into LIFE.
Follow the KEY I leave behind me.
Seek and the doorway to LIFE shall be thine.
Seek thou in my pyramid,
deep in the passage that ends in a wall.

Use thou the KEY of the SEVEN,
and open to thee the pathway will fall.
Now unto thee I have given my wisdom.
Now unto thee I have given my way.

Follow the pathway.
Solve thou my secrets.
Unto thee I have shown the way.


I find this to be one of the most viable resources for the whole theory that Egypt was the result of visitors from Atlantis......In itself the fact that a text so old is speaking of spaceships is rather amazing.....

Again with that 4th dimension stuff? Or did they kill themselves some other way? And if theres something paranormal about the staircase, why dont scientists study it? I'm affraid your gonna have to provid me with something credible otherwise I wont believe theres a portal there.

give me a day i only check these threads every couple days or so

I'm sorry but there were quite a few of your points Pharoahe that didn't seem to make sense to me

Here's a picture of Giza which clearly shows a chamber going below ground level. I guess, by what you've been saying Pharoahe, this is the only one we know about? They've erased all evidence of any other chambers because of all the poeple that died and are therefore protecting us from our curious selves.

I don't suppose you have any information on these people that died going into the pyramid? It would defiantely be appreciated.

Thanks

Potholer

I guess if you classify invading armies as a "Higher Power", then yes the Aztecs and Incas vanished because of their "help". As for the ancient Egyptians, they didn't go anywhere. They had some Regime changes, some foreign invasions,and then they became modern Egyptians, living where they've always lived for the past few thousand years. The Pyramids weren't even built by slaves, although that's the popular myth. Egypt had no monetary tax, instead citizens were required to spend a certain amount of time each year working for the Pharoah. With almost the entire population of the country on a rotating work schedule you can see where they could get a large enough amount of labor to build such a massive monument.
Oh, and as to where all of them were housed; they built temporary villages at every major worksite which were torn down when the job was complete. The food was provided by the Government, who had massive food stores just like we have today.
I don't know why people consider Ancient Egypt a primitive culture. Their knowledge of Mathematics and Engineering was quite advanced and I don't necessarily believe they needed guidance from a higher power to get it. Humans can be quite brilliant on their own upon occasion...Myself excepted!

The ingenuity of man is far greater than you think. I have two friends that disconnected their garage from its foundation and using blocks and planks rotated it 180 degrees, by themselves. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen then shift it into it's final setting myself. The egyptians had a lot of slave labor and I think it highly possible they did it all by leverage.