Wrestlers quite often fight more than once in a single night. It doesn't mean they still don't have to sign off on every match they participate in



As shoot scenario isn't the same as a shoot match. A shoot scenario is wresling lingo for a match in which the bookers literally say "okay, you, and you...five minutes, he wins."

Normally, there's at least a little talk with road agents and such before any given match, or the wrestlers will have a talk backstage....either way, it does not in ANY way mean a shoot fight. The WWE would not put on of it's biggest draws in a shoot fight with a mixed material arts expert...that would be suicidal.

Point of fact - the guy doesn't have any excuses. He went against what the bookers had told him to do (and while it's true he's never been in a live match before, he will certainly have had matches with the tough enough crew plenty of times before they'd let him near a telivised event), he went against the trust his opponent had put in him to do his job, and he went against the fans by putting his own ego before the show, and the WWE.

This guy's another Goldberg in the making...get him off my tv, and never put him there again.

But why, it served no purpose, it was pretty random



What did the bookers tell him to do?



Wouldn't he be kicked off the show then, so far I haven't heard anything yet. Also this incident is what made that segment and maybe even tough enough worth watching, better then having Big Show scoop slam each guy zzzzzzzzz, I'd rather have this guy(who we can't see the future, so we don't know that he'll end up like Goldberg,who also had an unbeaten streak and was pushed to the moon,which I don't think this guy will ever have)then generic big man 1528A.

While I agree that booking Angle to squash the guys on tough enough probably isn't the best way to start marketing them, it was, nevertheless, what was booked for that segment

Certainly, I'd rather watch it then...say...The Triple H show, where Triple H talked for an hour and a half, and then they squeeze in five minutes of matches, and fifteen minutes of breaks



Lose to Angle, obviously If Angle hadn't been booked to win that match then, for a start, he could simply have taped out, and no harm done...also, the refs wouldn't have counted the pinfall.

This was a job he refused to do...if you can't do the job, then you don't get the spot. All sounds very fair to me.

lol,I'd rather they have not have Tough Enough at all, and use that 1 million dollars to get Rico's contract back



Maybe Kurt was supposed to tap out but didn't and pinned him instead...hmmmm the plot thickens

Like I said, if the WWE had a problem with it they would just kick him off, and they haven't. IF and this is a big IF, he planned this out, he's a bad guy, but the contest is for a million dollars and money brings out the worst in people.Hell I'd break Kurt Angles legs with a pipe for a million dollars

Well since we clearly saw Kurt didnt have the guy pinned, and the refs counted to three..... Cant really see how Kurt could be to blame.....

Nyhow, lets get over this... I wouldnt be surprised is the WWE did this partly to get this sort of reaction....... I mean it mocking a mother who lost a child or anything.....

This is a bit over the top...Kurt has proven, time and time again, that he's nothing if not willing to put people over to help boost their career. Edge wouldn't BE in the main event scheme right now if it hadn't been for his fued with Kurt, John Cena got skyrocketed by his first match with Kurt, and so on, and so on....even if Kurt does now have a reputation for politicing a little backstage, he's still a pro.

There IS a possibility it's a work....just to get people talking about Tough Enough...but that depends how much attention they call to it on the shows...it was, after all, the internet sites that noticed it, the WWE tried to cover it up

Well he still got his rap career

eew


Same here, I enjoyed watching them be yelled at and such but when they took them to the ring so they could talk back to the Big Show or something like that, all of them gave crappy impressions of the Rock, Triple H or Booker T. I was disgusted.

Abyss with balloons

Well.....thats......great.......

Thank god Miles is gone

I actually enjoyed Survivor Series....all except a couple of little things..... but i really did enjoy it.... i was very surprised

Putting the Seralight on Smackdown vs RAW


I am fortunate to have rich friends, with big burly avatars, who are smart enough to pre-order copies of games that are sold out for weeks to come. So fortunate, in fact, that I was able to start playing/hogging Smackdown vs RAW about half an hour after the release, and started to take notes on my thoughts of the game to share with you people…because I’m cool like that 


First Impressions

Pretty into movie…got the feel of the epic saga that has been the Smackdown series thus far. I was also very pleased to hear “when worlds collide” start to play, as I’ve been very sick of the crappy, techno style soundtrack the games have had until now. The soundtrack for this game consists of a combination of rap, rock, and punk…granted, it’s more than 50% crap, but it’s still better than endless electrical beats.

The main screen was pretty flashy…complete with scantily clad divas dancing around on screen. Not really my thing but…I’m sure you guys will appreciate it There are two separate designs available, one for RAW, and one for Smackdown, which is a nice little customisation touch.

Create a Wrestler mode

Those who know my gaming habits will know that this is the first place I head in any of the Smackdown games…simply because I never, ever play as any of the characters already in there. If I’m not kicking ass as Seraphina, the invulnerable cruiserweight from hell, I’m just not having as much fun.

I was first encountered with a profile page, that wasn’t all that different from the previous games…you can now give your wrestler a call name, that the ring announcer will use when you head for the ring (never comes up anywhere else though). They’re typical WWE level of tackiness (“Half man, half amazing!”)…but oh well, not like you have to put up with them often.

Moving on to the actual mechanism of creating your character….I can’t deny, I feel that THQ dropped the ball on this one. There’s a certain cartoonyness to the character’s appearance, instead of the realistic skinning on the existing characters…in fact, they’re vastly inferior to the ones from Here Comes the Pain. The system is very difficult to get to grips with and, though it is certainly possibly to customise just about every body part (right down to the angle of the ears), you’re likely to find that, overall, your characters will look much the same facially, as there’s only a couple of possibilities that doesn’t come out looking like a complete hermaphrodite.

The clothing is even worse…remember in Here Comes the Pain, where every single item of clothing had hundreds of possible patterns to apply to it, instead of just the solid colours? Bet you were all expecting Smackdown vs RAW to lift the bar even higher, and have thousands of possible looks…

It doesn’t…it has forty. Yes, that’s right, I said forty. Twenty or so of which are pretty similar tartan patterns, that don’t show up very well anyway. Although it is possible to create flame like patterns and so on by putting body paint over your clothing, this is very painstaking and involving and, to be honest, removes from what was a very easy, user friendly method in Smackdown 5.

One thing I did like, however, is you can now give your superstar a separate outfit for cutscenes in season mode, as well as match and entrance attire. I’ve been wanting that for ages and, given the character creation system does get a little more bearable once you’re used to it, and know how to get the right results, it perhaps save it from being a total screw up on THQ’s part.

There are a lot more moves this time though…and slightly more logical control over which moves can go in which grapple position (and a nice touch that the more powerful grapple positions take slightly longer to get into…say a quick grapple can be locked on almost instantly, but do little damage, while going for a powerful grapple leaves you open for a moment, but does the most damage). I love the choice of music too…Shady beat me to getting “Firefly” for my intro music, which is by far the best, but bah…he better watch it…I’m gonna beat his ass in that ring…

Speaking of moves, attributes have undergone a change too…you’re no longer able to max out every single stat to the full ten. Your maximums are now determined by what weight class you choose (diva weight, cruiserweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight, super heavyweight). Heavyweights for example can get up to 9 and strength and endurance, but only 7 in speed, and a 10 in everything else, while super heavyweights suffer not only speed and technique, but are able to max out strength and endurance.

I think this is a very nice touch indeed, and adds a bit of sanity to it all…my 5’10, 120lbs Seraphina will not longer have a strength of 10, and be able to cripple the Big Show in two moves.


Season Mode

You really can tell the WWE writers were involved with this…

As I couldn’t make Seraphina of “no gender”, I couldn’t play her in season mode as you could in Smackdown 5. Therefore, I became a spectator for a while, and watched Shadowsleet embark upon season mode…in a rather dire series of plots that involved him conquering the female locker room one bedroom at a time (all of the divas are portrayed as complete sluts, who don’t hesitate to dump their current boyfriends/managers to get in the sack with the main character). Shady himself wasn’t too impressed with this either, announcing that if he wanted to watch his character getting it on with sluts, he’d be playing GTA, and he doesn’t need it with his wrestling.

After forcing every member of the women’s locker room to buy a home pregnancy test, the actual plot began with the Smackdown vs RAW element, in a series of invasion and defection angles that, for the first time, actually came up later! (dun dun dun!) Although the same set of characters seemed to be used over and over (there only seem to be about fifteen people on each show…), the season mode did actually tell a serialised storyline that, once you got into the meat and bones of it, with the various characters coming into their own, was actually quite good (there are few things quite as cool as seeing Shadowsleet, John Cena and Eddie Guererro putting all their differences aside, complete with genuine voice overs, to take it to those RAW cretins invading their show).


Like the previous instalment, it goes on for a year, and then restarts, allowing you to continue where you went off, or change characters….however, you can’t change characters without resetting the title holders, and you can only have one created star in season mode at a time – this just plain irked me.

You can, however, use experience points you earn on other characters, which is useful for using a powerful character to level up weaker ones. There are also challenge modes (where meeting certain conditions in matches earns you money) and the ability to create your own ppvs and even title belts (which is, by the way, absolutely awesome), that can help your other characters keep busy 


How does it all measure up?

Is it the best so far? Well…no, not really. I think Smackdown 5 was the vastly superior game in terms of improvements made, and I don’t think THQ properly learned from the success that it was. Smackdown 5 was as close to perfection as they’ve ever been and this I feel is a bit of a step backwards (although for the most part they have delivered in a lot of areas)…I feel this game should, quite frankly, have been Smackdown 5, just with the added features they’ve put in…if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it, and a lot of stuff was left out of the mix that really helped make the last game.

It’s a fun game…and yes, it is worth buying, especially if you’re an avid follower of the series. However, if you don’t have Smackdown 5 yet, then get it instead – this is a game that tried to raise the bar, and instead let it drop a few pegs…

Note, I’m not saying it’s a bad game….far from it, I was up all night playing it. However, it’s not the best of the series, and if I was going to be buying one of the two, I just think Smackdown 5 would be the better bet, and you should weight until Smackdown vs RAW is a little cheaper when it’s not fresh off the shelfs

For everyone else, by all means go and get it…it’s still a great way to lose hours of your life at a time, and if nothing else, you can blow off some steam by making JBL lose the world title over…and over…and over…and over

Yeah, the career mode really is a joke

It really is quite bad, theres just something a bit un-nerving about Undertaker boneing Torrie Wilson *shudders*, it should be called Smackdown:The Quest For Tang

pretty much, since after you do all the girls in one roster you jump ship to the other brand to get some more... its sometimes seems the cut scenes last longer that the matchs

One complaint I also have is that the game is way too easy....but then again, I found that for all the Smackdown games. I played HCTP in Smackdown difficulty mode, and play this one in Legend mode right from when my character had 2 for every stat I still rip right through 1 on 1 competition, and have only a little moe trouble for multiple opponents.

Granted, that could just be me being really good, as Smackdown is about the only game I play...

Yes Shady..... Im sure your hands have great reflexes.....

Anyway......... so Maven will be the GM this week..... or has been depending on where you live......

So who will it be next week? Im guessing Randy will be last....

i like the hot chicks of wrestling!!!

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.....so...anyway...

I didn't get to see Survivor Series, but I did have a friend tape it. Hopefully without giving me any of the match results (although Subby did essentially let one slip earlier ), is it worth holding my breath for at all?

Ooops..... sorry

I enjoyed it myself, although some of the matches will be what you expect..... Heidenrich for example completely sucks.....

Sorry but that title cracked me up.....

Well Chyna is going to be in the Surreal life 4. i bet that will be all over the E channel in about 2 weeks or so.

...does anyone else think that that is the stupidest idea in the world...

Who honestly wants to see that???

so, anyway...i haven't really been staying awake for WWE lately, care to fill me in on Survivor Series and raw and smackdown???

Nothing really happened, Maven general manager, Kurt fights random jobber on Smackdown



Wow that gives me the shivers just reading that

Constant pushinh of Austin would be better than constant pushing of nobodies who happen to be biiiiiiig

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WWE.com had a shot of Mark henry, saying he was ready to tear into the RAW roster once again......

Hold me.....

Oh, no, Mark Henry's coming back...I'm sure the RAW roster are just shaking in fear

The only thing they need to worry about from that moron are a drop in ratings, and never finding anything left on the buffet table

You forget the poor sucker who has to job to him. It is bound to happen, and my moneys on Jericho

Ohhh gooodd........ curse Vince McMahon's boner for the big guys

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Hardcore Holly "the career killer"

So Hardcore Holly worked too stiff in a match...what else is new? He ALWAYS works way too stiff

You know, Hardcore Holly has never struck me as very proffessional at all...he works too stiff, he makes no allowances for his opponent, and let's be honest, he's overpushed Remember the absolutely abysmal ratings that were the direct result of him being pushed to the world title hunt? Did ANYONE honestly expect him to beat Brock Lesner and/or have a good match?

This does take the cake though...using the ring to effectivly ambush and beat up someone who ticked him off backstage? This goes back to the whole "the business is a work for a reason" thing...this strikes me as a very cowardly thing to do, and I hope the management give Holly hell for it.

I agree with you whole heartedly... (no surprise there) but...



I seem to remember them being bad before then, and after then too..... Whilst he served up no interest, he wasnt really in the world title hunt as such, more of just a once off fued settling match.... On that PPV it was the royal Rumble, so no-one would pay it attention anyway.....

I like how Brock destroyed him in what 30 seconds If he's not fired, I hope Dupree gets some kind of revenge

There is the possibility that it's a work...

God...a fued between Holly and Dupree...an over the hill, stiff ass worker, famous for being difficult to work with....and a young, inexperienced rookie, who does have a bright future ahead of him after he gets some experience...

...assuming Holly doesn't completely botch him up...

Hmmmm, it's a possibilty but I hope it's not, besides Dupree is in a fued with RVD and Rey, for the tag belts, I want to see Dupree in more singles action but this is not the way to go

I think in a real fair fight Dupree could take Holly, Dupree is actually pretty big and I think has a few pounds on Holly.

That might be true...but size doesn't always mean the winner of a fight...Dupree is what? 20? 21? He's around the same age as me...Hardcore Holly on the other hand has years of experience behind him, and is a legitimate "hard man". I think if it came down to it, Hardcore would have a much better idea what to do in a real fight than the young and inexperienced Depree, who's probably never been beat up in his life.

Heck, the fact that Chris Jericho beat up Goldberg after Goldberg started a fight with him backstage definately shows size isn't what counts I remember Sera keeps telling me she wishes Goldberg would go to Mixed Martial Arts, so he could have the crack kicked out of him by a 5'4 Japanese guy

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Renee sounds like an a$$



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Dupree seemed nice, when I was at the live event, this could be a bunch of B.S.
Even if it is true Holly should have fought him like a man, not attacking him when he's not expecting it. Showing even more that hardcore isn't all that tough

Holly's a bit of an a$$ too

......Interesting

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And apparently TNA tv has lost their sponsers $16 million

Wow......



Yay for Kane return