snuffypuffer
Jan 13 2005, 07:54 PM
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WWE has been eyeing former ECW superstar Super Crazy about coming to the company. Paul Heyman made the initial contact with Crazy when he was still on the creative team and pitched an idea to Vince McMahon that would crown Crazy the Cruiserweight champion and face him off in a feud with The Big Show. However, things came to a halt when Crazy suffered a hand injury a few weeks ago and he has said that he only wants to come to WWE when he is 100% so he can make the biggest impression possible. WWE is still interested and many within the company feel that he would be a huge asset.
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Yes!!
The Krow
Jan 14 2005, 08:08 PM
Super Crazy in WWE...that is a fairly good idea...I'd watch
anyone know if Ultimo Dragon is comming back any time soon?
Subtemperate
Jan 16 2005, 04:59 AM
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In yet another embarrassing press moment for Joanie 'Chyna' Laurer, the former WWE diva appeared on Howard Stern in a very unusual segment. Report via WrestlingObserver.com:
- Stern remarked that Chyna looked like she lost a lot of weight; she came in covered in body glitter and seemed drunk. Chyna gave a strange explanation for why she was wearing body glitter.
- On the subject of 'Surreal Life,' Chyna mumbled something about 'Melissa Cunningham,' but no one had a clue what she was talking about.
- She spoke about her time in prison for 'bitchslapping Sean Waltman.' Her justification was that she wanted Waltman removed from her property and stayed in jail until he left.
- Stern mentioned that in the sex tape, her ass was covered in pimples. She goes into detail about her troubled relationship with Sean 'X-Pac' Waltman, although no mention at the time was made of his wrestling career. After urging from Stern to take off her top, she did so (on grounds that the dress would be sent to someone in the military) and then remarked about being really nervous.
- Sean Waltman eventually called in and was unable to get a word in, as Chyna kept confroting him and asking if he was 'still her queen.' She then stated he went behind her back to release the sex tape, before going into more detail about the violent relationship. Chyna continued with a rant on Vince McMahon, claiming he owes her royalty money.
- Eventually, Sean was able to contest claims that he ever laid a hand on her, and that she not only blew pot smoke in his daughter's face, but (with her gay friend) tried to get his son to smoke pot. She recently broke his nose after he told her about a relationship he had with a woman from four years prior. Chyna brought up the fact that Vince and HHH paid for X-Pac's rehab.
- Waltman also disputed the claim that she was in prison for six days, saying it was less than three. Chyna claimed she was jumped in prison.
- After a few more minutes of talk, Chyna then sang (while naked) as her brother sat next to her and played guitar.
- Photos of Chyna on the show and a recap from the producers' perspective is available at www.howardstern.com
She is one classy chick.....
AtticusBlueprint
Jan 16 2005, 06:04 PM
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She is one classy chick.....
Yeah, she's a real gentlemen
Dando Kast
Jan 16 2005, 11:58 PM
I've been so out of touch.... Chyna did that.... and that..... and that.... wow...
Subtemperate
Jan 17 2005, 12:35 AM
Man, I wish I was you right now.... Out of touch with her current record would be so good....
Dando Kast
Jan 17 2005, 12:46 AM
yeah.... I still turn the TV on looking for Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels type matches...... too bad there's all these kids in the show now.....
AtticusBlueprint
Jan 17 2005, 12:53 AM
Yeah everyones waiting for Bret to return, and HBK is busy not putting anyone over. Things might look dim, but I still have my hopes up
Dando Kast
Jan 17 2005, 02:38 AM
I find it's just not the same anymore though.... then again when Hart and Micheals were at it I was just a young teen...... my perspective really changed since then...
AtticusBlueprint
Jan 17 2005, 03:11 AM
speaking of Bret Hart and Shawn Micheals..................
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The scheduled Ric Flair vs. Shawn Michaels singles match turned into a Randy Orton and Michaels vs. Flair and Batista. Everybody was chanting "You screwed Bret" Flair got on the mic and said he's wrestled around the world and Bret Hart will never be Flair, he's a retired wanna be Flair and Michaels is the best he's ever been in the ring with. He told everybody to enjoy the show or we can kiss his ass! He also said they better stop chanting "You Screwed Bret" or "WWE will never come back here"
LMAO! what was the WWE thinking with Orton/Michaels vs Flair/Batista
The Krow
Jan 17 2005, 05:28 PM
is it just me or is Ric Flair as arrogant as he is saggy?
and he is a pretty saggy individual...
Subtemperate
Jan 18 2005, 05:35 AM
It would appear that Austin has come to terms with the WWE to appear in a movie or two...... I wonder if that means he will show up around wrestlemania...?
The Krow
Jan 18 2005, 08:03 PM
I think Austin should not come back...his gimmick gets really stale after a while...after I see him on TV it leaves a terrible taste in my mouth...a taste that only twinkies can help...
Subtemperate
Jan 19 2005, 09:34 AM
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The New York Post ran a story regarding a bar scene involving Joanie 'Chyna' Laurer, who was present with Surreal Life co-star Marcus Shenkenberg. The two were seen making out at Scores West in New York before Chyna decided to get up on stage.
Although management allowed Chyna to dance topless, she was asked to stop upon dropping her panties. She also reportedly jumped into a fish tank at the Coral Room earlier in the day, while Shenkenberg filmed on his cell phone.
The Krow
Jan 19 2005, 07:58 PM
Well, that is pretty odd...i kind of wish that i hadn't read that...
Seraphina
Jan 19 2005, 09:46 PM
Now, I suppose I'm not really in a position to say whether she was or not but....maybe it's an American thing or something but...why did so many people act like Chyna was attractive?

I mean...okay, Stacy Keibler anyone can see she's attractive, I don't need to be a guy or a lesbian to see the logic there

....or Torrie Wilson...but Chyna!? Chris Jericho said it best: "Hey Stevie, if that was you in drag then you wouldn't be the first weird looking woman around here, I mean....remember Chyna?"
What the hell was it?
Subtemperate
Jan 20 2005, 12:16 AM
Alcohol......it has to be alcohol......
AtticusBlueprint
Jan 20 2005, 12:20 AM
My theory is anyone that was attracted to Chyna was a closet case homosexual
Subtemperate
Jan 20 2005, 12:23 AM
HHH and Xpac? That would explain a lot.....
snuffypuffer
Jan 20 2005, 06:13 AM
I'm strangely addicted to the Surreal Life. Chyna is a drunken skank, and Mini Me, drunk, naked, and urinating in a corner. That's all I have to say
The Krow
Jan 20 2005, 09:13 PM
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Now, I suppose I'm not really in a position to say whether she was or not but....maybe it's an American thing or something but...why did so many people act like Chyna was attractive?
I'm American and i don't find Chyna attractive in the least bit...In fact, I find her down right frightening...
Seraphina
Jan 20 2005, 09:42 PM
That's okay then...after such firm blasting of the steriod pumping manthing, my faith in the opposite sex is restored
Subtemperate
Jan 21 2005, 01:06 AM
How can you not find her attractive..... I found her attractive ever since she played Harry from the movie "Harry and the hendersons".... She didnt even need makeup....
Subtemperate
Jan 21 2005, 11:03 PM
Speaking of which...
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Sean 'X-Pac' Waltman wrote a long statement on his website addressing the issue with Joanie 'Chyna' Laurer. His main focus was claiming that the producers of 'Surreal Life' are exploiting Chyna, who is in no shape to be promoting the program. He wrote:
"You and I both know what she was paid to do your show. That amount of money is nominal compared to what you are making by exploiting her making a spectacle of herself for 13 days and giving her the platform to become an even bigger joke than Anna Nicole Smith. How she was allowed to go on further representing your show after the Howard Stern appearance is mindboggling. If it was not obvious at that point that she was in no shape to go and do another media appearance, then I question the common sense of everyone involved."
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 07:14 AM
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Sources are claiming that there have been some ongoing issues between Vince McMahon and the Rock over the past few days over contract issues. The Rock, despite going off to Hollywood, still has a WWE contract, and this is where the Rock's issue lies. He is unhappy that Vince McMahon hasn't yet made an offer to renew it. Interestingly enough, part of the Rock's contract determines whether he can use that name in his movie credits.
Until this problem is resolved, the Rock's proposed WrestleMania appearance is in the air right now and a source close to the Rock thinks he won't even be at WrestleMania.
Oh dear god I hope he doesnt lose him....He occassionally brightens up my day
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 07:17 AM
If Vince let the Rock go, he'd be losing on of the few special appearance personalities that actually has the potential to draw in a crowd....if people know the Rock is gonna be on a show, they'll pay to see it...god knows, they're not paying to see some of the current main event....
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 07:30 AM
Maine event tonight.....
Scorpion King vs Vampire Monster vs Fetishist vs Super Shredder...
So who was I talking about?
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 07:37 AM
I can't belief I forgot to mention Benoit vs Jericho! I remember saying to myself at the time "Finally...a booking that caters to wrestling fans..."
Between that, and Batista's very well marketed push, I was very happy with RAW....then Viscera came out onto my tv, and that warm fuzzy feeling went away

It's as I said to Shady and Talon at the time...
Me: You know, I'm liking Batista...as big guys go, he really can carry his own weight.
Shady: Think he's ready for a singles push?
Me: Well...against the right opponent, yes. He can carry his own weight in a match, but I'm not sure he could carry a dead weight opponent...
*just as I say this, out comes Vicsera*
Me: ....
Shady: ....
Talon: ....
Shady: ....well...I don't think he can carry
that much deadweight.
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 07:38 AM
Hes not that big...... (lets get into the big guy thing again

)
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 07:46 AM
Viscera?

He's like...520lbs
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 07:48 AM
No, not the human blob.... I meant Batista..... Remember we talked about big men not getting over...... and you said HHH at 6'4 isnt that big... So how come Batista as 6'5 is?
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 07:50 AM
Because Batista weighs about fifty lbs more than Triple H....
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 07:52 AM
So...that classes Mick Foley as a big guy I could add to being over?
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 07:54 AM
No, because Mick Foley is nowhere near 300lbs...I'm fairly sure he's lighter than Triple H. The exception was back at that fatal four way elimination at Mania, where he was in terrible shape. For most of his career, Mick tipped the scales closer to 240-250.
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 07:55 AM
Mick is listed at nearly 290..... HHH is listed at 265......
290 isnt much different from the 316 that batista is....
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 08:00 AM
Mick is nothing like 290. He was 290 at Mania 2000, where he was increadibly overweight. Today he looks like he's trimmed down to 240ish. The WWE is very unreliable for giving accurate weights...the Big Show weights 420lbs, not 500...even when he was at his biggest, he was 460, not 500.
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 08:02 AM
Then in saying that, Batista might not be as heavy as they say too...

And I almost fell over when I read Kurt Angle is 220lbs....
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 08:04 AM
Kurt was 220lbs before Summerslam 2000, he isn't, as has not been 220 since his main event push
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 08:05 AM
Stilll Mick was 300lbs give or take a few, and we were orignally talking about how big men didnt get over..... well, Mick must classify as a big man under Bastista's recommendation.... I am adding him to my list, so there....
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 08:10 AM
From Subby's PM just now...*is sneaky*
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How, you were talking about historically people who are big do not get over........
Historically Mick was a 300lbs champion, and was very over......
If you claim batista is a big man because of weight, then Mick also is..... becaue at the maximum weight there would be less the 20lbs between the two......
So therefore Mick becomes a big guy, and is added to my list...
Mick was never a 300lbs champion. As I said already, he was only 29 at Mania 2000...and the only reason he was 290 then is because he'd been on the run down of his career since before the Rumble, not to mention he'd been retired for over a month (training I very much doubt).
Throughout his career, Mick never even sneaked a peak at 300lbs...Mania was the exception to the rule, thanks to his expected retirment. Even if, however, we assume he were to be announced as a 300lbs wrestler...god knows, they exagerate the weight of plenty of people...what difference does it make?
The question here isn't about whether or not the fans except the statistics given as a person's weight - It's whether or not the person is talented. By and large, large guys (those towards or over the 300lbs mark) have less talent than those lighter than them

With some notable exceptions such as Brock Lesnar, this is almost universal....
It's not the weight that doesn't get them over, actual of fictional, it's the lack of stamina and versitility that comes attached with it. The fans don't give a crap if someone weight 200lbs, or 300lbs. What matters to them is their ability to entertain them...large guys tend to be less able to do so, and so do not get over.
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 08:20 AM
Im not disagree with what gets people over...... Although.....
Hulk Hogan?
Ultimate Warrior?
What did they do.....?
What i was talking about was that you said Historically Big Men dont get over...... Historically the main event was ruled by Hulk Hogan.... He was the biggest wrestler in the business for at least 7 years at wwe, before joining wcw..... He put it on the map, without anything you would class as appealing.... except he was big and "supposedly" strong....
It is easier for a little guy to get over, because when they beat another guy the same size they look great. Big guys beating up midgets makes it hard to be interested because many consider the fact that we entertain the notion that Rey could actually beat Big Show in a match an insult......
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 08:28 AM
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Hulk Hogan?
Ultimate Warrior?
Those two are anomalies...if you want two other exceptions: Kane and the Undertaker.
That doesn't change that, by and large, big guys don't get over, which is becoming more and more true as time goes on. There are a number of big guys who've gotten some popularity because their size makes them look impressive....but nobody has ever managed to achieve long term popularity on look alone. There needs to be some kind of talent...whether it's in the ring, on the mic, or just some kind of natural charisma (Hogan is over today purely because of nostalgia...I doubt anyone with that little talent could be successfully marketed today. He came from an era when there was still debate as to whether or not wrestling was scripted).
Hullk Hogan (probably the most over wrestler of all time, I'll admit...for some ungodly reason), is one of very few guys his size that rose to be that over...the guys who've spent time at the top of the industry are seldom that size.
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 08:29 AM
So....back to another point..... Since Heidenrich is only 6'5 and 275 pouns supposedly...that would make him not big?
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 09:30 AM
No, he's big....just not huge...although I always thought he was bigger than 6'5...maybe because I always see him standing next to Heyman (has tried to avoid seeing him next to a wrestler, as that implies he's having a match).
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 10:17 AM
What makes him so big? HHH is only 1 inch shorter, and a little lighter..... Yet he isn't classed as being a big man..... The rock is the same height, but weighs a little less..... Yes Mick Foley weighed more then Heidenrich did...... So.... What makes a big guy big? height or weight..... Because heiht wise Heidenrich wouldnt be classed as that big, and weight wise...DEFINATELY not....
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 10:31 AM
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Yes Mick Foley weighed more then Heidenrich did
Subby, I'm going to say it one more time, just for you....Mick Foley is not heavier than 275lbs

He is not, and was not for the wealth of his career. A couple of months spent creeping towards 290 in the twilight of his career does not constitute his weight across a fifteen year stretch in the wrestling industry.
Perception actually plays a big part in how large a guy is...as far as Heidenreich goes, my early memories were of him hoisting Crash Holly off his feet by the throat, and pinning him against a wall...
Are you absolutely sure about his height by the way? I seem to remember him towering over Stone Cold by several inches....far more than the two or three your stat suggests

Anyway, back to perception. Take Mark Jindrak....now, he was a pretty big guy...however, he was no outstandingly huge, like the Big Show, or Kane. The WWE instead cleverly booked him against a bunch of guys that were 5'10, and used some nifty camera angles when he was wrestling, to create the illusion of size.
Do either of them have any bearing on the conversation? No, not really....it's easy to tell who is a "big" guy, and who is a moderately large guy. Guys such as Tyson Tomco, Mark Henry, Viscera, Kevin Nash, blah blah blah blah blah...they constutute the area in question without a doubt...you can attempt to blur the line by throwing in Heidenreich if you like, he's still talentless, whether he's big or normal
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 10:40 AM
My point is (if I have one) is that the concept of WWE and VInce having a big man fetish is not true....Not that those I listed are indeed big? I myself could of sworn Heidenrich was about 6'11.... and I do know WWE suck at height weight stuff, but how could they stuff up 6 inches in the lesser direction, when they like to make them seem bigger.... Unless the guy editing the site is an idiot....
Anyhow, your right..... they book the guys to look big, but MOST of them are not. At the moment going by that scale the only real big guys is action in PPV's would be Undertaker, Big Show, Kane... and maybe Bradshaw. Snitsky might be, hes around 300 pounds.... and Tomko has done little.....
I can think of just as many talentless short guys we have had to put up with, as I can big, but somehow because the guys we perceive to be big are bad we seem to forget that a large amount of the roster is, not just the big guys....
And it shows me that Vince isn't big man happy, because he makes them have a match against one and other, its because as you say....If you put the big guys against the small guys...the small guys will always look lesser.... just by looking at the two.
Seraphina
Jan 22 2005, 10:47 AM
I'm not sure you have a point either

I don't believe that the WWE is so much big man happy...I think that Vince merely puts too much faith in the big guys.
Guys that are say...the size of Batista, are great supporting characters in a stable. They can function as enforcers, bodyguards, whatever you like...however, that does not mean it's a good idea to push them (Batista I make an exception for).
Vince has pushed Snitsky (why I don't know, he's terrible), and in fact devoted a fair amount of RAW, and even PPV time, to his fire rivalry with Kane...Vince has also pushed men such as Mark Henry and Viscera, even going so far as to involve Viscera, at one point, in the main event storyline (why oh why oh why did he hire him back...).
These singles spots are areas of the card that could have (and should have) gone to people far more talented, and far more deserving of them (JBL in particular is vastly out of his depth). Vince's problem isn't the number of big guys on the roster, but the fact that he seems to feel the need to have one involved in almost every angle on the shows.
Subtemperate
Jan 22 2005, 10:50 AM
Oh...I jsut double checked my information, and found Mick to be 280lbs in 1998.... SO muhuhaha to you dear girl.
On the note that I have no point, I say good day to you.
TheCrow
Jan 22 2005, 05:03 PM
Vince's problem isn't so much that he has a thing for 'big men' (although I think he does) it's that he doesn't know how to use the talent he has properly. Having people like Snitsky would be ok but you don't push them to semi main event status.
He hires talentless people such as Heidenriech, Tomko, Snitsky and pushes big men such as Snitsky and JBL regardless of their level of talent because he feels they are physically intimidating and when you put two 'big' people together it somehow constitues a great match.
There are some exceptions to the 'big men don't have talent' thing such as Kane, Taker and Big Show. They might not have a great wealth of talent but they are talented guys but more than that, they are entertaining. Even Big Show, though not so much now, but before going bald was quite entertaining imo.
The WWE has the best roster they've ever had in terms of talent but they don't use it properly. Instead of pushing guys like Paul London and Akio in the CW division they either push CW's who don't wrestle good CW matches (Spike Dudley and Funaki) or push heavyweights with no talent.
And it's not gonna change because I have heard that the WWE now has a policy of only hiring heavyweights.
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