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saucy
Not to make fun Sera, but you said Taker is gonna squash Taker. Who do you want and expect to win this match?
Seraphina
Yes, meant "Taker is going to squash Booker"...

...wasn't that obvious from the talk about the lazy chokelams and generic tombstones? huh.gif After all, it's how the man ends just about every match disgust.gif *is very fed up of the Undertaker*
saucy
what about the last ride? Seems to me he's always changing his wrestling skills. He kinda turned to the boxing technique and added in a little old school and some technical wrestling.
Seraphina
That's because he can't do the last Ride to anyone over 200lbs or so...the reason his style has changed so much is because he's getting on, and has had to change to a more slowed down, ground based style, to make sure both himself and his opponent stay safe...he can't exactly do a running lariate over the top rope anymore without breaking a hip.
AtticusBlueprint
I dunno, it looks like the Undertaker is in the best shape of his life, thats why I like Taker he's always improving,plus his new biker/deadman gimmick is great,he was able to change the Last Ride to fit it(rolling his eyes back while holding the person in the air)is awesome,and I remember him doing the Last Ride to Brock Lesner.
Also he might use his new Butterfly Lock submission, or the Dragon Sleeper which I think he called "takin' care of business", I mean I don't think Undertaker's gonna be bustin out an Angle Slam,because he made the Chokeslam and Tombstone famous
Seraphina
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I dunno, it looks like the Undertaker is in the best shape of his life


Oh, he has got himself in great shape for his last run, no doubt about that...but he's still far past his prime, and just can't perform at a world class level anymore, or anything like it.

It's not his fault or anything...he's coming up on 50, and has actually managed to keep himself in better shape than anyone else in the company at that age (compair him to Hulk Hogan tongue.gif), but that doesn't make him in good ring condition, and I feel he should be doing something in his last few months to pass the torch to someone who deserves it...say...Booker T? disgust.gif Not having the squash match I'm expecting for the sake of a cheap pop that nobody'll remember in two months time.

Point of note: Mordeki doesn't deserve it tongue.gif He's been in the company for all of ten minutes.

AtticusBlueprint
Well I did a little research on Mordeki because i'm interested in his character he was Seven from OVW and his favoriter wrestler growing up was The Undertaker,
I heard that he is above-average in the ring but I have to see to be sure,and his finisher is either gonna be the Razors Edge or Reverse Death Valley Driver.
I was also thinking about how Undertaker should retire, I think that having Paul Bearer turn on him and having Kane or to a lesser extent Mordeki finish him off, or else end up taping out in his final match something I don't think he's ever done
Seraphina
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Well I did a little research on Mordeki because i'm interested in his character he was Seven from OVW and his favoriter wrestler growing up was The Undertaker,
I heard that he is above-average in the ring but I have to see to be sure,and his finisher is either gonna be the Razors Edge or Reverse Death Valley Driver.


Mordeki is a carbon copy of my trainer, Conscience...every part of his gimmick from the white robes and bible, to the bleached eyebrows, to his finnisher were stolen directly from Conscience when he was working OVW for a try out. We spend a lot of time at the training sessions hating on Mordeki as a result tongue.gif

I've heard the opposite about his in ring skills...From what I've heard, he's going to be a gimmicky, character based wrestler, who's utterly clueless in the ring; currently I'm expecting him to be over 6'4, and in the 300lbs region...why, after all, would the WWE recruit talented people, when they can recruit gimmicky "hosses"? disgust.gif

He might have come across well in OVW because the bookers there are far better than the team in the WWE...guys like the Bashams looked like huge prospects in OVW because of intelligent booking, then you bring them to the WWE and they fall flat on their faces tongue.gif It's the same principle that was at work in ECW, when Paul made guys like Raven and Tommy Dreamer look good by booking them on their strengths (such as they were) instead of the generic "how do we fill this card...?" attitude of the WWE bookers....10 to 1, Mordeki is going to be a huge disappointment when he steps in the ring.
AtticusBlueprint
Even if he does suck what does Smackdown have to lose, I mean JBL main eventing and Jackie cruiserweight champ, they might as well try this
Seraphina
lol..I'd rather seem them improving the talent pool that going even further down the road of crappyness....but I suppose you're right; who's going to notice another overpushed big guy on that show anyway disgust.gif

What Smackdown certainly does need right now is Kurt Angle back in the ring instead of this ridulous GM thing...
AtticusBlueprint
When will Kurt recover from his injuries I thought like 3 months, but if Kurt Angle stops being GM who will replace him, i dout Paul Heyman will go back to GM, I think Vinnie Mac should go run the show because he makes a great heel
Seraphina
I actually think the WWE's been much better off without the McMahon's on the show...however, I wouldn't object too much to Steph being GM again (just never...EVER...book a McMahon in a match again disgust.gif)

Angle's had medical clearance to wrestle for weeks now, and it amazes me, given the situation the show is in right now, that the writers are wasting him the way they are. Not having Kurt Angle is a huge waste of one of the finest talents the company has, or will ever have....it just defies belief blink.gif

I'd actually like to see Heyman as GM again...he was very entertaining in the role (as he is in ANY role), but I'd rather see them continue this ECW storyline that's developing.
The Krow
actually...I think Kurt Angle is going in for neck surgery again...or at least, that is what i read somewhere...
saucy
I heard Angle was training for the olympics again and he doesn't want to get injured so he'll be doing the GM thing for awhile
Seraphina
urg...today, I lost a lot of faith in some of my fellow students...

Today started well...I was paired off with one of the more experienced guys, and he showed me somewhere in the region of 20 new moves that I absorbed with sponge like efficiency cool.gif This was all for the sake of what would eventually be a seven minute chain match in the ring.

I was rather proud of our efforts...I'm told that it's hard to believe I've only been to a few sessions and, carried as I may have been, it was a pretty good match cool.gif Not exactly Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit or anything...but good. I also felt rather vindicated that the dead weight I was paired with last week, even though paired with the most experienced student in the school, still put on a blunderous performance, and made me look awesome in comparrison devil.gif

However...the fun and games was soon to end as we went back to basics with forearms, European uppercuts, and chops. All are moves I've taken before, but this time we had a couple of new guys added to the mix who obviously had something to prove...especially to the only person in the class without a penis blink.gif

I've never been hit quite so hard in my life...in fact, they seemed to set out to hit me even harder than everyone else....and recieving a very hard chop to the chest is a very painful experience when you have certain....parts.

I was to make up for it later when I put one of them in a full nelson and he couldn't get out cool.gif But still...being by far and away the smallest person there, I find it amazing that anyone could be so unproffessional as to activly set out to injure me....I can only conclude they thought they had some kind of right to discourage me from learning to wrestle.

That, they most certainly did not...am I the best in the class? No, far from it. Am I ever going to be a world class athlete? No, probably not. But I do know I'm better in the ring than they are, and I'll de damned if a couple of stiff working monkeys are gonna frighten me away with a bunch of chops....especially ones who couldn't take what they dished out, and were sitting things out after their first round of them (although...I do think most of the guys were hitting them just that little bit harder than they might have otherwise... wink2.gif Don't mess with the Sera One, and her loyal legions).

Anyway...bruised and beaten as I am, I'm feeling much better than I normally would about now. I think I'm finally starting to get conditioned to working in the ring, and the exact same warm up we did last time didn't even make me queasy...oh yeah, I'm getting there! cool.gif

So, all that being true, I'm in tip top shape to give the rundown on Judgement Day! Live, as it happens, in a little over seven hours! BOYAKA!

Watch this space peeps...watch this space cool.gif
AtticusBlueprint
well as for JD......I wonder if ya ask for you money back they'll give it to you
Seraphina
We didn't buy it on pay-per-veiw, it's being shown on Sky Sports, which is part of our ntl package. All but four ppvs of the year are shown on that, so it's a pretty good deal...

700 channels...only watch one huh.gif
AtticusBlueprint
kool,but that can go for anyone else that bought it for pay per view
saucy
can't wait to see Seraphina's reviews on Judgement Day
Seraphina
Okay peeps, here's what I'm gonna do...

I'm gonna make post for the fiirst match, and just edit it to include a review of each match as it happens cool.gif As I type, the Dudleys are wrestling RVD and Rey...

The opening video was very good by the way...

Dudleys vs RVD and Rey Mysterior Jr.

Didn't we JUST see this match on Smackdown? huh.gif The WWE need to learn the meaning of delayed gratification...this far, it's not bee a bad match, but RVD and Buh-Buh are both working very stiff tonight. So far though...I wouldn't recognise this as a ppv match. There's absolutely nothing to make it special or different, and it does seem pretty bad booking to me.

Finnish is....*waits for it*...urg...Rey shouldn't do a bronco buster...Rey hit a double 616 on the Dudleys, followed by RVD hitting a frog splash on D'von for the pin.

Hardest worker of the match: Rey Mysterio
Worst worker of the match: BuBuh Ray Dudley
Match rating (out of five stars): **1/2...not bad, but nothing special at all. Strictly an opener to warm up the crowd

My prediction: wrong (0/1)

Stay tuned for the next match thumbsup.gif

Sidenote: Booker T promo...hyping his match up with Taker. He was doing okay until he started talking about all his vodoo crap.

And here comes Kurt...cutting a promo from the top of a...big..mobile...platform. That was quite funny actually tongue.gif Cheap heat making fun of the home town; heh, sounds like he wrote it himself, it's better than the stuff he's had lately. In any event, he's talking about Torrie Wilson...oh...nevermind, I don't care anymore...huh.gif

Bla bla, Kurt called Torrie out...waste of air time...what's with her silly pink thigh highs? blink.gif He's telling her she'll be fired if she loses in her upcoming match...apparantly we're supposed to care rolleyes.gif

Dawn Marie vs Torrie Wilson

Tiolet break

Hardest worker of the match: the referee
Worst worker of the match: too close to call
Rating: *...why is this on ppv?

Bradshaw promo...the script was kind of funny, but he was more wooden than Vince looking at a 600lbs wannabe wrestler.

Scotty 2 Hotty vs Mordeki

Mordeki's intro was milked way too much, and nobody seemed to care...Scotty did really well at looking like he was terrified though....and the first four seconds of this match showed this guy's just a powerhouse, not a wrestler. Oh well...

I'll give the guy credit, he goes give the impression of being very savage in the ring, without having to work too stiff to do it. The crowd aren't really into it though *hears a "boring" chant*.

Well, it's over within two minutes, and the only thing I saw from Mordeki were punches, kicks, and a clothesline...not a SINGLE wrestling move...and there's the razor edge...what a coincidence...that's Conscience's finnisher rolleyes.gif

Well, that was about as impressive as Jackie Gayda's in ring debut tongue.gif

Hardest worker of the match: Scotty, by far
Worst worker of the match: Doesn't leave much to wonder, does it?
Match rating: *1/2 - abysmal.


urg...segment where Jaqueline gave Chavo some frilly underwear...which went on to get pawed by his father. Please...please let Chavo win....


Rico and Haas vs Hardcore Holly and Billy Gunn

lol...I love the way Haas reactions to Rico's entrance...heh, he's great. Anyway, hopefully, this'll be quick.

Rico and Holly starting things off....LOL...Billy and Hardcore spent a little time argueing about who had to start off with Rico; nice touch.

Haas managed to make this a wrestling match instead of the usual spot fests tag team matches have been lately. There does seem to be a big of psychology here...slow build up as Haas outwrestles Holly, before Holly expodes into a brawl, especially after getting fed up of Rico's antics. Basic, but it's more than most tag teams bother with nowadays.

The crowd were really marking out for Rico...I was worried this match was gonna get absolute silence. Jackie worked pretty hard at working the crowd up too. Finish was Haas pinning Holly after, while Holly went for his finnisher, Rico hit him with a superkick, forcing him into the roll up.

Hardest worker of the match: Rico...Haas started to be a little lazy towards the end
Worst worker of the match: Billy Gunn
Match rating: **3/4 - best match thus far...although still not exactly awe inspiring. I wouldn't have been very impressed to have seen it on smackdown.

My prediction: Right (1/1)

Paul Bearer promo...Undertaker looking very strong and...forbidding dontgetit.gif "Rest....In...Peace." And in that hat, he looks kinda like Clint Eastwood blink.gif

Chavo vs Jaqueline

Wasn't a bad match...Chavo was obviously very limited because he had one arm behind his back, and Jaqueline just can't perform at that level...however, they worked hard, and things actually looked up a little after, with the ref distracted, Chavo's father untied his hand and he proceeded to destroy Jaqueline.

Chavo eventually went over clean...well...aside from the fact he was supposed to have his hand behind his back. However, I do find myself wondering why in the hell they gave her the title at all in that case!? I could understand her being an unverdog challenger...but why on earth give her the title for the blink of an eye if all it did was reduce the belt's credibility.

Hardest worker of the match: Chavo
Worst worker: Jaqueline...although she did work hard...she's just not in Chavo's league.
Match rating: **3/4 - not bad...but Chavo was wasted.

My prediction: wrong (thank god) (1/2)

Hype vid for Cena vs Rene Dupree...was pretty good.

Cena vs Dupree

I've been looking forward to this one the most on the card...out comes Cena to a huge pop, closely followed by a quick rap...wasn't so bad. He's allowed to let his hair down a bit more on ppv than the tame promos he has to give on tv. Anyway, this match should take a while, so I'll post this, and get back to you at the finish wink2.gif

You know...that was a great match! Both guys worked their asses off, and had a well paced, very physical outing, that has actually made me glad I sat through the appauling undercard grin2.gif Very few complaints at all...great work by both of them, and the finish was a thing of beauty...Rene got whipped into the corner and, as Cena charged in behind, he went for a leapfrog. Cena, however, caught him on his shoulders in mid-air, straight into a picture perfect F-U for the pin thumbsup.gif

Cena then spent about four or five minutes working the crowd, milking the shirt throwing, before actually going up through the crowd when he saw a Cena sign, and posing with the fan; now there's a guy who knows how to get the crowd lovin' him grin2.gif

Hardest worker of the match: They both worked their asses off
Worst worker of the match: see above
Match rating: ***1/3 - great match...the only one so far that I consider PPV worthy.

My prediction: Wrong...wow, I was off my game this month (1/3)


Hype vid for the next match, which is...

Taker vs Booker T

Taker got a huge pop as expected...wow...someone's really screaming dontgetit.gif Now, I'm prepaired to keep my eyes open, because I'll probably miss this match if I blink...

Oh for god sake Michael Cole, stop talking about "Is he really alive...or dead..."...urg...there's a limit to suspension of disbelief you moron.

Undertaker's starting out with a good psychological stare down...Booker looks pretty scared. And is it just me, or is Taker's hairline starting to look like Vegeta's from DBZ? blink.gif

You know...I was pleasantly surprised. The match ended up an extremely back and forth affair that managed to really put Booker over. It wasn't a spell binding technical affair, but it told a very good story...wasn't a story I like very much (Booker kept going back to that little bag of vodoo stuff, and everytime he picked it up he managed to regain the advantage...it was a little cheesy, but entertaining in its own way). I was impressed with how hard both these guys worked, and it was a much better (and longer) match than I expected.

Taker did, however, eventually win the same way I thought he would...lazy chokeslam, followed by generic tombestone.

Hardest worker in the match: Booker T
Worst Worker: Taker...who was more than slightly carried for most of it...but no slight to him, at least he didn't squash Booker T.
Match rating: ***1/2 - very good actually....the upper card has, so far, made it a little more worth watching...

my prediction: Right (2/3)

And oh no....here comes the pain(ful)....

Bradshaw vs Eddie

Oh well....I don't expect him to manage to go thirty minutes, but I'll get back to you when Bradshaw gets pinned, and Eddie ends this joke of a push.

Okay...some 40 minutes later, and I'm pleasantly surprised....and I have a new appreciation for just how INCREDIBLE Eddie is! Because make no mistake, that 40 minutes was all him!

Eddie might have had to call evey spot (Bradshaw still blew at least four of them), and he might have had to take every big bump in the match to keep the crowd interested, but DAMN did he single handedly pull out an amazing match (Bradshaw was just...there).

This is what the Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg match SHOULD have been...one extremely talented worker, carrying a talentless one to a great bout, based purely on emotion. Right from the start, Eddie was berserk on Bradshaw, dominating him for the first part of the match, which really suited the story...you could honestly believe Eddie was out for revenge, and was going to move heaven and earth to get it done.

The advantage shifted a few times throughout the match and, some very questionable offence from Bradshaw later, ended up on the outside as Bradshaw landed Eddie in a backdrop across the table (Eddie got a great height on his flip...he didn't break the table though). At this point, Bradshaw suddenly became more clueless than normal, and rolled into the ring to catch his breath (he looked like he was having an asthma attack), and Eddie had to break cayfabe to get up and rush back into the ring before he got counted out....great thinking Bradshaw disgust.gif

After a ref bump, Bradshaw would go on to use a steel chair on Eddie...and HUGE ups to Eddie on his very risky blading...I don't think I've ever seen anyone blade quite that deep, and Eddie made one hell of a sacrifice to make this match mean something. Even after unloading pints into the ring, Eddie kept up his world class performance throughout....until the eventual finnish, which I'm not happy about at all.

Basically, Bradshaw grabbed a chair, and grabbed the title belt...throwing the chair into the ring, he waited for the ref to take it away, and ran into the ring to attack Eddie with the title. Eddie, however, fought it off him and, just as the ref turned back, blasted Bradshaw in the head with it, and was DQed.

Interestingly enough, I predicted this ending to Talon about ten minutes before the match started.

Normally, I'd hate that...but Eddie then went on to beat the living crap out Bradshaw, and very soundly see him off. While I'm not very pleased to believe that, as the match didn't have definate finish, we might not have seen the end of this...fued...I've never been more impressed with Eddie's abilities.

Great match...surprisingly great...between a man who is by far and away the best wrestler on the face of the planet....and his sidekick Bradshaw.

Hardest worker of the match: Eddie
Worst worker of the match: Bradshaw...most obvious carrying job I've ever seen, but DAMN Eddie did it so well.
Match rating: ****...Eddie rules.

My prediction: Though my prediction posted here was wrong, I did manage to predict the finish with 100% accuracy right before the match...so I'll count it as a sucess wink2.gif (3/3)

hmm...phew...tired...

Overveiw

Was it a great show? No....but it wasn't as bad as I had thought it would be. I think I severely underestimated Eddie's ability to drag a good match out of Bradshaw (well...really, he dragged it out of himself, Bradshaw put on a performace I wouldn't expect from Shane McMahon), and there's no doubt in my mind Eddie carried the weight of this entire show on his shoulders.

With a little help from Cena, Dupree, and Booker T, Eddie managed to make a show that was just saved by its main events...cudos to those guys indeed. I also hope, really hope, that Mordeki and Bradshaw both disappear forever...*waves to their bulbous forms, receding into the distance*
Falco Rex
Thanks seraphina,for actually sitting down and writing all that just so us PPV deprived fans can know what's going on. It's much appreciated. And your commentary wasn't even THAT biased or caustic...
If you wrestling career doesn't pan out you might have a future as an announcer.
You'd be better at it than Lita anyway... wink2.gif
AtticusBlueprint
Jaqueline defeated Chavo to win the Cruiserwheight Title.The real plans were to bring in Tough Enough 3 winner Matt Cappotelli to face Chavo for the belt,but he suffered a concusion at a house show on 4/24 and was not able to work the match.A last minute decision made by Stephanie McMahon to make the move of putting the belt on Jackie last night,which alot of people backstage did not like.

Credit-Prowrestling.com

thats why Jaqueline got it, and I heard that non other than Hardcore Holly gave him it
Seraphina
Ah, Stephanie....if I'd have had to place a bet on who's idea it was, it would have been her disgust.gif Glad to say someone in the writing team came to their senses and gave Chavo back his title. Hopefully, Jackie's brief reign will become little more than a forgotten page in history, and won't damage the title's image too much.

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The real plans were to bring in Tough Enough 3 winner Matt Cappotelli to face Chavo for the belt


I'd heard it was either him, or a returning Jeff Hardy....I can't tell you how furiously I was crossing my fingers for it NOT to be Jeff dontgetit.gif
AtticusBlueprint
Yeah it was a stupid idea, I think they should have had Chavo just crush someone and have him do the challenge again when Matt Cappotelli recoverd from his concusion, or maybe they could have done it like a week-to-week type thing "Chavo's World Challenges" where he just beats nobody's until Matt Cappotelli, but I wish they'd give Paul London a push I've seen him on Velocity a few times he puts on entertaining matches
Seraphina
Smarks have been calling for London to get a push for ages...he's one of the, if not the, most promising blue chipper in the world right now, and for some STUPID reason the WWE just refuse to even try and push him.

My only conclusion can be the WWE won't push him becase 1) he's small and 2) he's actually talented disgust.gif
AtticusBlueprint
Was he trained by HBk?
saucy
Hey, good review Seraphina. Just wondering, nothing really happened with the voodoo or Mordeki attacking Taker? I know you would've mentioned it if it happened, but I guess it was almost a dead given that it would happen. I guess it was such a dead give a way they're saving it for later. I heard several things on another wrestling site: Goldberg said he will never work for Vince again. Vince and Bret Hart are in talks and Bret may be coming back. The Hardy Boyz will be back together. There will be a Taker/Mordeki fued this summer and it will basically be what carries the program. Bradshaw said he was working hard to prove the critics wrong about his push. Did he prove anyone wrong with his performance?
Seraphina
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Hey, good review Seraphina. Just wondering, nothing really happened with the voodoo or Mordeki attacking Taker?


No. If it was in the pipeline, I can only presume the dead reaction (no pun intended) that Mordeki got convinced them that nobody would really care if he interfered.

They might be saving it, but I really don't want to see the show being built around the Undertaker, who's too over the hill to carry a match on his own, and Mordeki, who seems to me to be utterly dire in the ring.

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Goldberg said he will never work for Vince again.


Music to my ears

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Vince and Bret Hart are in talks and Bret may be coming back.


I have no idea what capacity they're going to have Bret working in...from what I've heard, he's unable to work even a one minute match, so I'm assuming he'll be a manager of some sort. I've got no objection to that whatsoever, especially if they could use him to help get Benoit over with the crowd instead of Michaels whenever their fued is to occur.

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The Hardy Boyz will be back together.


Yes, I was afraid of this. Matt Hardy spent years carrying his brother in that team, and yet didn't recieve a fraction of the credit from the crowd. When they went their seperate ways, Jeff would go on to flounder and drop the ball, when Matt made something of his career, worked his ass off, and put on some great matches and storylines.

I object to Matt being forced to forget what was becoming a promising singles career, and go back to carrying his hopeless brother in the dead tag team division.

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Bradshaw said he was working hard to prove the critics wrong about his push. Did he prove anyone wrong with his performance?


No, Eddie carried him.

In fact, Bradshaw's efforts just convinced me even more that he's an idiot. Rather than work on his in ring skills, Bradshaw just started working out more to try and improve his muscle tone....is that supposed to make him a better wrestler!!? His performance at Judgement Day was no more impressive than any other match in his career; it's Eddie that deserves the credit for making that match the main event that it was.
saucy
I think what's going to happen is that Mordeki will be wrestling as a heel and spewing his mouth about not sinning then Taker will come out to shut him up, not the other way around like we think. I think you're right about the reaction Mordeki got, dead silence, affected what was to happen because the whole hand rising from the grave was for nothing. His silence was probably because nobody knows him. How big is he, comparable to Taker?
Seraphina
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How big is he, comparable to Taker?


Not very...in fact, he looks about average height, and extremely fat; as far as big guys go, he looks more like a trimmed down Rikishi than a monster.
The Krow
Does he jiggle when he runs???

that'd be too funny...
Seraphina
He didn't run...although I get the feeling that, if he did, he wouldn't be able to do so for very long wink2.gif
AtticusBlueprint
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MEOW, your vicious
snuffypuffer
Ah, I really haven't been paying much attention to wrestling for the last few months. Seems like there's way too many skits and not enough actual matches, and the ones that do make into the program only last maybe five minutes. I've been trying for the last couple weeks, I like John Cena, although they've been having him just run over people, his entrance is more interesting than his matches.

And I have to say I really like Bradshaw's character, he makes a good heel. I agree, he's a brawler, but the class warfare angle between him and Eddie Guerrero, it's been a long time since there was a feud like that. Also, I was a big fan of the Million Dollar Man back in the day.
Seraphina
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Seems like there's way too many skits and not enough actual matches, and the ones that do make into the program only last maybe five minutes.


I agree 100%...if the past has taught us anything, it's there the industry has been at its strongest, and has been drawing in the most fans, when it was putting on good quality matches.

The fact that Vince thinks pushing this cheesy soap opera style of show defies belief, especially since we've already seen his ratings had been plumiting ever since he took the focus off of wrestling...RAW, where wrestling has far greater emphasis than Smackdown, the shows are getting far higher ratings, and louder crowd responces.

The fact Vinnie Mac can ignore all this is just insane...almost as much how he can look at the most over wrestlers of all time (The Rock, Stone Cold, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, and Hulk Hogan), none of which were over 6'6, or anything like the 300lbs mark, and somehow think it's a good idea to build his shows around "hosses" like Bradshaw and Big Show.

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And I have to say I really like Bradshaw's character, he makes a good heel.


He makes a half decent heel...but not a main eventer. He's just utterly undeserving of this push, and hasn't made any attempt to rise to the occassion beyond pumping a little more iron.

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Also, I was a big fan of the Million Dollar Man back in the day.


Key difference - in his day, the Million Follar man was one of the best wrestlers in the world....Bradshaw, in his day or out of it, is one of the worst wink2.gif
Falco Rex
Just finished watching RAW and I've gotta say that after a solid month of Edge/Benoit vs. Evolution tag matches, I'm officially bored with them. Benoit should be able to hold the Belt alone and without someone on his back. He deserves it after 18 years, and he's more than talented enough to do it on his own. I can't figure out why Edge is getting such a big push anyway. He's not in the title hunt at the moment and Shelton Benjamin is being set up for an IC title match. I have no clear idea why he fits in anywhere...
If they wanted him for the tag-team division they could have set him up with a partner who would suit him better. I'd love to see an Edge/Jericho tag team, it would be entertaining as all Hell...
saucy
I would have to give Raw 10 stars out of 10. That was one of the best shows I've seen this year so far. The biggest surprise was the Rock showing up. I didn't expect to see him around until next Wrestlemania, but I think he's gonna be around more because Raw lost two (Stone Cold and Goldberg) of its biggest names and crowd pleasers. My WWE source told me that Kane would be the number one contender and I didn't believe it because I thought Raw was trying to push Jericho, then when it happened, I was also surprised. I'll never doubt my source again. The twenty man battle royal was good until Shawn Michaels got involved and threw Triple H out. The yawn of the night was more of the Kane and Lita dribble. Maybe with Kane now the #1 contender it will let him leave the other story line alone, but I doubt it. We have yet to know what the question was that Lita answered yes to. Anyway, it'll probably lead to the Bad Blood when Matt interupts Kane during the title match, leaving Benoit to win and Kane will lash out at Matt, beating the crap out of him, then Jeff Hardy will make his return to save his brother. I thought the tag title match was pretty good and I agree with Falco Rex that Edge doesn't need to be teamed with Benoit. I don't like him teamed with Jericho either. He just doesn't seem well teamed with anyone but Christian adn he doesn't have any talent. All he does is run around and spear people. I have another spoiler for bad blood. My sources say a hell in the cell match between Michaels and Triple H. Ought to be an interesting match.
Seraphina
Kane...became number one contender?

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*twitches*

...that match had Chris Jericho....Christian...and seventeen other guys more talented than Kane...Kane has been getting dead reactions lately, and his matches (if you can call them that) have been getting worse and worse...

Did the WWE learn nothing from pushing Bradshaw!? Did they not learn the people want to see talent in that ring!? Not one guy having to work his ass off to carry a hopeless sack of cottage cheese!?

That just defies belief...they go from stinking up Smackdown, getting crap ratings, and a terrible ppv buyrate by pushing a talentless guy, who isn't even over, purely on the basis of his size, and then go and decide it would be a great idea to stink up RAW to do the same.

Vince, you're writing team are a waste of space....why do they still have jobs?

Why are you paying Paul Heyman to spend two minutes per show on screen, instead of giving him booking power?

Vince, grow a brain, or your company is going to shrivel and die disgust.gif

*shudders, and shakes herself off* Okay...I'll just...try not to focus on that horrible decision...

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I  can't figure out why Edge is getting such a big push anyway. He's not in the title hunt at the moment and Shelton Benjamin is being set up for an IC title match. I have no clear idea why he fits in anywhere...


Neither do I. Edge was being massivly overpushed before he went out on injury, and they decided to keep it up when he returned. He's not incapable of having a good match...but he's curretnly rusty as hell, and he shouldn't be quite as in the spot light as he is until he picks his game back up. I can only conclude he's been teamed with Benoit so the latter can cover up his mistakes in the ring....it's a sound idea, but Benoit is utterly wasted in the midard, and there are plenty of other people who could use a rub from an undeservaedly over Edge in doing the job instead.

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I'd love to see an Edge/Jericho tag team, it would be entertaining as all Hell...


Jericho would be wasted carrying Edge too; he should be going on to the main event.

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Anyway, it'll probably lead to the Bad Blood when Matt interupts Kane during the title match, leaving Benoit to win and Kane will lash out at Matt, beating the crap out of him, then Jeff Hardy will make his return to save his brother.


While I agree this is probably what'll happen, it does sicken me...when the world champion, and the world title fued, are just used to put over a damn MIDCARD fued between Kane nd Matt Hardy (with all due respect to the phenominal athlete Matt is), it's just horrible booking. It cheapens the belt, and it's a slap in the face to Benoit.

Sounds like a show full of bad...bad decisions....and Kane becoming number one contender is going to leave a very bad taste in my mouth for a long time to come...

AtticusBlueprint
Ummmm...I think nobody cares about Kane because he gets nobodys to wrestle, I mean Matt Hardy he might be a good wrestler but nobody cares about him, nobody cared when Kane was choking him the chair nobody cared, I wanted him to get rid of Matt Hardy and that stupid story line. Kane needs to become the monster again, like when he was in the battle royal and chokeslammed everyone was he getting a reaction then hmmm yeah I think so, or when it came down to him and Batista hmmm yeah that too. Ya Y2J should have got it but he didn't so the next best guy to get it was Kane. He hasn't gotten a title shot in a long time, and if theres anyone to give Kane a good match it's Chris Benoit. Really if you don't like it turn it off and stop bitching
The Krow
Actually...I like(d) kane alot...and I am glad that he MAY get the title agian...he had the WWF title for 1 day...king of the ring in 1998...anyway...I think that he deserves it...whether you agree or not...Kane had a title shot a few months ago...Kane vs. HHH vs. Goldberg...what a sh!tfest...hopefully with Benoit involved...this match will be betterer...alot betterer...
Falco Rex
I didn't mention Kane in my earlier post because I was selectively blocking it from my memory. But after reading what Saucy posted..
So let me get this straight, Kane is getting a Title shot on a PPV, all to set up a mid-card feud with the Hardys'? I don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see that ain't logical..Maybe some Smackdown writers defected to RAW..
On the good side, seeing the Rock with Eugene was a lot of fun. But now I can't figure out what they're going to do with Regal. He seemed to be getting ready to turn face but with the Rock around they won't need him to help Eugene. What I'd like to see is for Regal to somehow get fired by Bischoff and move to Smackdown where they could really use a talented Veteran. But then,that would make sense so it probably won't happen..
Seraphina
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I think nobody cares about Kane because he gets nobodys to wrestle, I mean Matt Hardy he might be a good wrestler but nobody cares about him, nobody cared when Kane was choking him the chair nobody cared, I wanted him to get rid of Matt Hardy and that stupid story line.


I think nobody cares about Kane because he CAN'T wrestle...but that aside...

The question then becomes why should they get Kane over, who is supremely lacking in talent, when there are any number of people on RAW who ARE talanted, who would be far more deserving of the world title, or at the very least a build towards it? There were twenty men in that ring, and Kane was by far and away the worst wrestler among them...Kane's spent years being nothing short of lazy in the ring, and his performance has deteriorated faster than Triple H's....and he hasn't seen the same recent spurt of work rate that the Triper has.

I don't really care if Benoit can make him look good or not...the champion shouldn't HAVE to make the number one contender look good. The number one contender should be the person in the company who's worked the hardest, who's been putting on good performances, and who the fans have been solidly behind.

Had they built up Kane, I wouldn't have minded so much...had they perhaps finished off his fued with Matt, then maybe he could have gone on from there..but this is the same thing they did with Bradshaw: catapult a wrestler with very midacrd skills, and midcard overness, into the main event, without any build up whatsoever.

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I think that he deserves it


Why? huh.gif What's he done to deserve the world title? Especially taking it off Benoit, who's probably the hardest (and best) worker on RAW.

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Really if you don't like it turn it off and stop bitching


No not mock the guru...she'll remember that later disgust.gif

In any event, what's wrong with actually asking that the program I watch makes an attempt to put on good matches? Makes an attempt to push people capable of putting on good matches? Bradshaw was bad enough, and Kane isn't any better...the only excuse Kane has is that he's perhaps a fraction more over...but he hasn't been main event level for years, and as great a wrestler as Benoit is...he's not the same charismatic guy Eddie is, and I'm not sure he can keep the fans interested to the same extent Eddie did while carrying Bradshaw.

I'm not a smark, but I am a purist wrestling fan...and I don't think Kane is going to either improve the main event scene on RAW (which could have been improved by guys like Jericho or Christian far better), and I don't think he's going to be good for Benoit's credibility when all the champion is being used for is to carry Kane to get him more over for his fued with Matt.
AtticusBlueprint
But thats all just your opinion, you can't speak for everyone,who they want to see and who they don't, everybody has different opinions on different wrestlers, so they'll give Kane a chance because other people might want to see it, and after that give Y2J a chance, or maybe Randy Orton,Maven,RhynoTriple H, or HBK, who knows people might like some wrestlers and dislike others so they'll just have to wait till one challenger is done and another steps up, we still have no idea whats gonna happen yet or how the match will turn out, all we can do is wait
Seraphina
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But thats all just your opinion, you can't speak for everyone,who they want to see and who they don't, everybody has different opinions on different wrestlers


If I cared what the lowest common denominator thought, I woudl't be complaining about Rene Dupree's "I'm french! Boo me" gimmick huh.gif

I'm willing to accept there are people who want to see Kane get pushed...I'm willing to accept there are probably people who want to see him get the title...but I'm not speaking for those people, I'm speaking for myself, and purist fans in general, on what I believe to be a bad decision made by the booking team.

I believe Kane isn't deservine of a main event push...you're welcome to disagree with that if you like, but don't start accusing me of bitching simply because I argue a case against him. I look at Kane and I see a lazy, sloppy, over the hill competitor, who needs to seriously pick up his game before I've ever consider him an upper midcarder, let alone a main eventer, who is putting the champion in a position of not only having to carry his opponent to get him over, but doing so solely for the purpose of building up a midcard fued.

To me, that's bad booking...if you want to see another less than mediocre wrestler get a huge push, especially after we saw the damage a similar push did to Smackdown (although better Kane than JBL), then that's your desicion...but I'm not going to just say "oh well" and give up my right to an opinion simply because the casual fans might want to see Kane getting a push.
AtticusBlueprint
A "purist fans" opinion shouldn't be held over a "casual fans" every viewer counts

maybe I went a little far with bitching, if I offended you i'm sorry, I'll replace that with negative, but you gotta admit you are dramatic, from what I've seen you'd make a good actress

so you say Kane is a load of crap and I think if Kane is used right he could be entertaining, ok simple as that. I just think he'll get a shot and lose then he'll go back to the slums or whatever, no big deal, if anyone doesn't want to see it don't watch raw for a few weeks and don't get bad blood.Then after that somebody else will get there chance(Y2J).I don't think WWE is gonna go bankrupt because of this.

I don't like to criticize, I'll just go with the flow cool.gif

Seraphina I respect you but try not be ego trippin thumbsup.gif

Now I hope all is right in the land of the The Official Wrestling Thread grin2.gif tongue.gif






Seraphina
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A "purist fans" opinion shouldn't be held over a "casual fans" every viewer counts


I disagree...casual fans come and go on a weekly basis, usually going without watching the shows for weeks at a time. Pure fans go out of their way to watch wrestling, and have a far greater interest in what's going on...casual fans will simply cheer what's put infront of them. Any company that intends to make money should be appealing to the long term audiance, and trying to make it grow, instead of prostituting itself to passers by.

History has shown that big guys don't draw crowds...that's not just me saying it, the financial history of the industry speaks for itself. David and Goliath fueds are great for a midcard pop, but not building the show around.

That aside though...Who's ego tripping? huh.gif I just don't see why you should be allowed to express your opinion of Kane's push, while I'm not allowed to express mine, just because mine disagrees with yours. At any rate, ratings and buy rates are going to reflect whether or not this is a good idea...and I expect them to be bad; we've seen it in Bradshaw, Kane likely won't be any different.

And yes, I am dramatic tongue.gif As Talon frequently says "you're f*cking scary!" when it comes to trash talking...no amount of reading my posts can every truly impart exactly how biting I actually am wink2.gif If I ever did start a career in the ring, my promos would be rightly feared....

...feeeeeaaared....

But you've been warned in the past...If you don't have the talent to be where you are on the card, I shall destroy you wink2.gif That's just something you're going to have to accept...it might not change Kane's push, and I don't doubt it will stop Vinnie Mac pushing this endless stream of big guys everytime he panics over who to make number one contender, but I'm perfectly entitled to hold my veiw on a product I have a vested interest in, and to propose what I feel would have been a better idea thumbsup.gif

You can do the same...if you like Kane, tell me why. Don't just lash out at me. I'm not unwilling to listen to other points of veiw, ya know tongue.gif
AtticusBlueprint
grin2.gif you referred yourself as a guru, no offense but thats ego trippin
Seraphina
I didn't origonate the title, I just accepted it from my legion of fans wink2.gif tongue.gif

Anyway, not to change the subject (I detest talking about Kane) but something occured to me lately...

Does Farooq ever look at where the Rock's career went after their fued, and then look at where his own career went after their fued, and say to himself...*coughs, to make her voice gruff*

"Well I'll be damned!" dontgetit.gif
AtticusBlueprint
was there any reason why he was fired?
Seraphina
I'm not sure at the moment...currently, the top rumous are that he either retired, and they decided to fire him on screen (and have Bradshaw "sell out" to give him heat), or that he kept turning up late for shows, and causing trouble backstage.

Most sources go with the second option; apparantly Bradshaw was a big proponent of the firing, because it would lead to his huge singles push...there's loyalty for you.

Just on a sidenote, those Kurt Angle quotes are great...but you must also add

"I'd like to apologise to Snow White, and the other six dwarves for beating Rey Mysterio last night."

I love Kurt, oh it's true wub.gif
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