yea i know you can pin someone after you spear them (how i dont know its happened to me in football and you just pop right back up) but you cant pin someone when you give them a ddt which should knock you out cold

Well that depends, Funaki uses a tornado DDT as his finsiher (from what ive seen).....

Its because the DDT is a good move to do, one that the crowd can "feel" and give the wrestlers some time to get some breath and plan what to do next.... and due to the fact almost everyone can do one, it would loose its appeal as a finsher....

I think Powerbombs are still good looking moves, all except Nash's, Nash's looks weak and always has.

I dont mind nashs..... I think the big guys who do them have a tendency to be more gentle, considering what can go wrong falling from such a height..... Sid's was always him planting the guy on the ground.... (from what I can remember)...... The smaller guys do them really well to each other, but big guys have a tendency to be too gentle with the move (for it to look gentle anyhow, in a match where your trying to hurt your opponent)......

Vader had a nasty one... Broke a mans back with it once.

Sid's was nastier before he went to WWF in the mid 90's.

Taker has a pretty good one, when he lifts the guy up higher, it looks good.

Batista's sit down version is pretty harsh looking as well...

I wouldn't wanna take any of them.

....And dont take one from Di Lo.....

Undertakers is good, but again he doesn't tend to bring them down hard.

Vaders.... I can't remember.....

Batistas is good, but sitdowns tend to always look better as there is more impact made.....

So today, Shady bought Rumble Roses. Much of my day has been watching him play (all the while like this I might add ) half naked girls, putting each other in holds....

The plot seems to be that some evil lunatic has staged a wrestling tournament, so that they can gather DNA for the greatest wrestlers in the world to create a super cyborg soldier (which you have to fight add the end).

Sideplots include the main character having to fight her hypnotised sister, a girl joining the tournament to get revenge on her high school rival, and a character from Mongolia who speaks in the third person, with a thick american accent, and poor grammar.

Overall, I'm pretty sure the plot was written by the WWE

Yes, but the real question is 'how does it play?'

Kinda like Smackdown, only the animation is better, and with the Big Show, Triple H and the Road Warriors included, Smackdown has a higher average cup size.

Actually that reminds me of ECW and raven much....


Half naked girls putting each other in holds you say....... *silent*

Let's not forget that the main villain is a blatant, and unnaturally highly sexed, lesbian The WWE has most certainly had a hand in this.

Girls 'putting each other in holds', now if only the WWE would realise that that would sell.

I think that those exact terms...could be right

The game engine is fantastic though...and with every girl on the roster having wrestling ability somewhere between Rey Mysterio and Kurt Angle, I wish the WWE would hire them I could put up with the lame plots to see them wrestle.

Between Rey and Angle? So they are Reygle?

*crickets*

Interesting...I might check this game out.....

I should have say Benoit and Angle instead....with only a slight alteration to the pronounciation, they could have been bagel.

Better then what I'd get with Jericho and Volkoff.....

ROTFLMAO! Oh man...yeah, that one breaks the mould...

Or Vader and Kane..... = HHH....

On another note

Seriously, who the heck is this dude?

I am waiting for Snuffy's advise, as he is the resident TNA expert... (no pun intended...maybe...)

http://frankiekazarian.temp.powweb.com/index2.shtml



I'm amazed...he's less than 250lbs, and Vince is letting him skip straight to the main roster?

Under 250lbs..... in which leg?

Hopefully he has talent....

From my experience in the few TNA shows I've watched, their guys have a lot of flashy moves....but having flashy moves doesn't make them good, just flashy. The guys with the moves all had zero concept of how to pace and conduct a match, and the guys that did (Raven for example) had zero moves

Then there's D-Lo Brown, who had just one very lonely flashy move, had no idea how to put a match together, and just gets strangely marked out for by smarks

Granted, the TNA shows I've seen were from a good while ago...this guy might be an exception.

You only learn to pace a match correctly by being in with the best, so that they can learn..... I liked a few of their wrestlers in TNA when I saw it....even if they are only flashy, maybe thats what the WWE needs to realise that people will watch cruiserweights....

That's the thing though.....TNA had a lot of guys (about three quarters of their roster) that were loaded with potential, but were greener than the Big Show's hankie while he's got a cold. On the other hand, they had a lot of guys who were very experienced, but on the downhill slop of their careers that could, in theory, be great mentors and ring generals to give the younger guys some experience in practice.

On the other hand, it also wanted guys like Kevin Nash and Scott Hall who, though certainly experienced, hadn't improved a bit since before they knew what wrestling was

The problem was that TNA had a bad habit of keeping its older and experienced workers at the top of the card (where only the guys who were on their way out in a few years anyway had any chance of getting heat), and the rookies stuck in the rest of the card putting on matches that were just glorified spot fests, with a few exceptions like AJ Styles.

So these guys never get any direction, and just waste away their youth, and their potential, without getting a chance to reach the levels they could

That is why Snuffy/Subby are going to buy TNA..... with our lottery winnings

And why I'm going to assume the role of Washu Makabe, and bully you guys into letting me book all the shows

You should know Subtemperate can't be bullied.....

*puts him in her toe lock until he admits her superiority *

You know, even the deadweight in the WWE could be an asset to the show if they were just used properly....take the example I had earlier of Batista, where he was made the big scary "enforcer" of evolution for a while to get experience, and to get over...

Wouldn't it have been nice if guys like Snitsky, or Heidenreich were put into that position (for a start, it would have given us a chance to see they were terrible before they were thrust into main event storylines), instead of having a ball thrown to them that they're incapable of catching, let alone carrying?

Heidenreich for example, is a big, scary guy....he would have worked far better as Paul Heyman's (seldom wrestling on tv) bodyguard, while Heyman attempted to put over someone who was actually worth the effort. The connection with Heyman would have worked just as well to get Heidenreich heat with the crowd (just as the connection with Kurt did for Luther Reigns, although Reigns isn't quite as hopeless in the ring as Heidenreich).

*Subby enjoys the toelock...*

Totally agreed....In fact your stealing my ideas.....

The enforcer thing for heyman was only just done, with Nathan Jones and Matt Morgan....So I can see why they backed away from doing it again, although I feel maybe they could have found another way....

Ah, but that was hardly an enforcer gimmick...that was an entire stable of "big guys" (as coined by Cena: Team Sasquatch). Brock Lesnar was the only guy in that group with any half decent wrestling skills, and one guy can't carry a stable that's in the spotlight of the main event storyline.

The stable really should have been broken up a bit...with either Morgan and Jones being the bodyguard figure, and the other being sent elsewhere (A-Train, of course, is utterly irrelevant).

But to begin with, HHH was the only guy with half decent skills in Evolution (unless you count flair....)

So the other faction had two enforcers...... that in itself is ok.... As long as you have a good storyline involving them.....

You kinda have to count Flair, since for a long time Evolution was just Triple H, Flair and Batista....then Orton came back...then Batista got injured They were like a tag team for a while

....At his age does he have half decent ability? I want to call him Slap Flair...... or maybe Ric Chop

NWO was three big guys with little talent... (Scott Hall wasn't too bad).... If you push them right, it can work...

When you say Scott Hall "wasn't bad"....I assume that you're only making references to any of his performances that took place in a town that didn't have a brewery?

lol...Scott Hall was good, origanlly as Razor Ramon. I thouroughly enjoyed his work, and for his size (at the time) he ws good to watch....

Obviously the popularity went to his head, and caused him many problems.....


Much like me.... Muhuhahahahahaha

Ok maybe not...

Anyhow, he WAS good at one time....

I'll take your word for that....I'm afraid I'm far too young and fresh faced to remember such a time

OUCH!

...That was only 8 years ago.... Im not talking Freddie Blassie....

Eight years is a long time in wrestling Heck, eight years ago, Kurt hadn't yet debuted, Syone Cold was a midcarder, and Jeff Hardy still had a job

I could also, at one time, spell "stone" correctly.

Actually if I remember correctly Jeff was a backyard wrestler back then, so take that witty Sera....

8 Years may be a long time in wrestling, but its even longer in dog years

I shall assume you are correct, and Jeff was not active in the wrestling world at that time (although surely he was Will-o-the-whisp by then?). If he was merely a backward wrestler....opps...sorry...backyard wrestler, I should say then I assume he needed a job anyway, to fund his supply of ladders.

Jeff and Matt debuted in 1999 if im not mistaken....

Sera must have been the only girl not to have a crush on Jeff....

I myself have....never...had one either.... *whistling*

*wonders if Jeff clocked up more air miles during his matches than he did while traveling*

And no, I always hated Jeff....even back before I was into wrestling enough to really understand what a spot monkey was, I always thought Matt was the far stronger member of the team. Jeff was, to be, the homeless guy that Matt tagged in every so often to jump off tall objects.

...But thats what I would be...Im nothing more then cannon fodder....

So you wouldnt like me either

Note.... I like Jeff jumping off things occassionally..... Tis what made Mick Foley over with the more mainstream fans.... So it does have its place....

Mick didn't take bumps as a matter of course....Mick took a bump to make a match mean something, and to make it remembered. Today, people still remember when Mick fell off the hell in the cells....nobody remembers any specific ladder dive by Jeff, because he did it so often that it became utterly meaningless.

Mick understood how to use voilence properly in a match, and when it was the right time to make the crowd chant "holy sh*t". Jeff didn't...the only thing he knew was that gravity was his mortal enemy.

But anyway, I never saw the attraction in him anyway...he did look like he was homeless he was unwashed, unshaven, wore the same sweat caked clothes everytime he came to the ring, had enough grease in his hair to get a job at McDonalds as a deep fat fryer, and couldn't even keep to the same hideous colour of hair dye for more than a week at a time.

Don't forget the neon face paint

I do remember a few bumps by him.....

I also remember TLC matches very well, which he was obviously a big part of, and also I remember a few matches between him and RVD which were quite good... (ok, RVD doesnt do much wrong ever)

Ah, but that came later. And in fairness, the fact that he was able to purchase new paint for every entrance was the only thing about his appearance that made me believe he had any money to start with.