You do realise he didnt debut in that stuff ight? He and matt originally wore multicoloured outfits much mike the rockers used too, and the costumes then and after were designed by Matt

^Yeah I remember, he must have spent alot on that paint, I also remember him putting paint all over one of his arms, why not just save money and get a tattoo

You know, it's going on quarter past three in the morning, and it may just be sleep deprevation making me think so but...



Was that....at all funny? Because I've been giggling to myself about it since I thought it up

Since you think so, we will keep that to ourselves...

Tis funnier then most things I say...except Flabbergosle...

Wow this thread gets a lot of action, I can't even keep up.

You all need some subforums.

Actually, I am also very lazy. And I have yet to take my own advice about smoking/posting things.

But anyway, I got as far as the Benoit/Batista stuff and since I cant remember exactly what it said, I will just say that Chris Benoit's title run was not nearly as glorified as it should have been. He was just holding it for HHH.

Triple H - I am one of his few fans.

And (a few) people see it maybe not as a bad thing because the world champion SHOULD hold the title for a long time. For credibility and all that crap.

And I can see that, but HHH has been the champ for like, 11 years now and it is annoying to me. Maybe not so much because he is the champ, but because they have a shitty way of always making sure he stays champ.

Evolution is lame now. God forbid they throw someone else in there as Beastista'z replacement. Chris Masters, Edge, maybe even OMG MAVEN.

But anyway, I liked Batista right away EXCEPT for when he is wrestling my BELOVED Jericho, because it always seems like JOBBERCHO gets the shitty end of the deal. And altho I am a wrassslin fan, I am still a chick and I hate when my sexy Y2J looks like he is in actually in some pain.

Ok that's enough

Your thoughts on Jericho I have no doubt would be echoed around this forum.

Your thoughts on HHH likewise. I really do like HHH as a wrestler, and I dont so much have a problem with him being world champion..... Tis also the way he keeps winning it, constantly having interference and so forth. It can be good to give someone a long run with the title for credibility (no...not bradshaw)..... but having the champion need help almost everytime takes that completely away....

I really enjoyed HHH beating Orton without influence involved...... It may have been storyline with him getting concussed, but I thought it was the best they made the champ look for quite a while....

Also

Bradshaw is the poison of Suckdown

Is that for me?...... lol

Bradshaw isnt that bad, its having the World title on thats the damage. If he were US champion I don't think id have a problem with him at all....

Yes, as long as you support Jericho and all of the wonderful things he does.

Bradhsaw's PERSONALITY is what annoys me, even slightly more than his bullshit never ending title run.

Hey Farooq, you're fired
Here Bradshaw, have a title.

His personality is what the writers want him to be, rather then what he himself is capable of. Bradshaw would't be so loud with the US title, wouldnt take up so much time....Much like the run with the IC belt christian had, whereas he is far more talented and...Hey hold on....MOVE Christian over and give him JBL's storyline..... He could finally hold a decnt belt...

Even with heels though, there has to be some part of you somewhere that LIKE the heel, despite hating them because we're supposed to. ( Good Vs. Evil etc )

And with Bradshaw's JBL, I just 100% can not stand him. I cant watch SD until the title is away from him. He wastes time that could be put on people who wprked for a title run and wasn't just handed the belt because there were no other options.

Personally, I would like to see The Big Show have it, at least for a little bit.
I like John Cena, but I think I would like him better on RAW. Kurt & Eddie don't interest me as champions.

AND

I AM A PEEP

Kurt is great as a champion, but I think we've seen it all as far as what he can do, and other then maybe putting credibility to the tiel a title run serves little purpose...... Eddie is good, when given the opportunity to wrestle good opponents who can have a great match, which Bradshaw wasn't....

I wouldnt mind seeing the big show with the belt, but not for to long.....

I would argue of course that JBL has been working for the WWE for a long time, and with the amount of work they do he would have to have worked hard to still be where he is, however I think your reffering to on screen credibility which people do have to work for, and then I agree....

I would much prefer it if Triple H would stay away from the world title for several months, I mean not even talk about regaining the belt or anything, he doesn't need the title to be over.

I literally fell asleep Monday during his rambling promo during the contract signing... Have no clue how long it went, but I fell asleep when it started and woke up just as Batista through the Raw contract to the ground.

Wouldn’t it be amusing if dead-weight like Snitsky were instead used to job in squash-matches against Batista.




Sad, but true.




‘Suckdown’ – I like that



The Bush rip-off? I kind of like the gimmick for a heel…. I just hate him




You are not alone.

Well....Heidenrichs matches against Undertaker were like 13 miute squash matches (I classify them as such as Heidend rich never had ANY offensive moves that made him look like causing an upset...)

Snitsky I thought much the same in his matches against Kane, but then again I didnt watch them...

I was thinking more like 30 second matches on Heat

I would prefer that, but then again...... I woould fire them rather then have them in the first place.... Why have someone who you can't market?...

Oh, I wasn't being serious, I just ment it would be funny. I would sooo totally fire them too.

I think everyone except those in WWE would....lol

Mind you, I was enjoying WWE's recent PPV's..... and then VInce has that injury, and the next PV was a shambles..... Do I feel a correlation?

Well No Way Out was the worst PPV I've seen in ages.

Exactly...... Vince wasnt there..... from all reports HHH wasnt able to make it, Smackdowns cheif writer in the creative team was off work... .From what I can see the whole PPV was run by Stephanie....

Maybe vince should take a lesson from that....

Unfortunately Stephs aparently going to be the heir to the WWE company

Pleas don't make me cry....

Somehow I do hope that if that almost the case HHH will run more of it, because at least he seemingly respects those who are "old school" wrestlers, and I cant see him pushing too many of these big talentless guys.....

Maybe I am dreaming though....

Yeah, but equally he may not push the good new talent either.

Tis true, however WWE don't seem to do that now, so if he doesn't improve it in that area, at least he can't make it worse....

Prabably doesn't do that because it doesn't have enough old-school talent to push

They could get worse if Hendry comes back and tey decide to push him to the moon again

Henry, Heidenrich and Snitsky....

A threesome made in...wrestling hell

At least Snitsky is funny to watch (Funny in a very bad B-movie kind of way)... Anyone else think he looks like he has cotton stuffed in his cheeks?

....I think very bad B grade movie is giving very bad B-grade movies a bad name.

Theres a lot of things I think when I look at Snitsky...... Cotton....No....A noose? Maybe....

A noose? I though deer rifle myself.

So I'm the resident TNA expert now? Well, if that's what my public wants...

Kazarian's okay, I've seen bits and pieces of his matches, I've never seen him in anything other than a tag match, so I'm not so sure what he can do in singles. Also, he's the guy who's always in the ring when I need to go to the bathroom. So that's my judgement, there.

As far as the quality of the programming, yeah, the spot monkeys are pretty over there, where else would Jeff Hardy be considered a main event performer? But, there are a few really talented guys there, AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels are as good as anyone in WWE. Kid Kash is entertaining, Hector Garza is pretty good, I'm liking Abyss more every time I see him. And I've always been a mark for Raven and DDP. Although Jeff Jarrett has always been and will always be a cream-puff, he's not a horrible champion. Although it isn't hard to look good when your main opponents are Jeff Hardy and Monty Brown.

See, Snuffy/Subby Championship Wrestling will have much to work with.

Why does it seem like Shelton Benjamin's just treading water? Aren't there a few wrestlers who can actually make a credible opponent for him? It's just sad, really.

Shelton's opponent's make me want to cry.....

He so needs to work for Snuffy/Subby Championship Wrestling.....

Indeed, signing Shelton Benjamin will be a priority, once we get our lotto winnings and take over.

.....Yes most definately.

Although I must make it clear.....out of us two, Im the one whos personally going to sign Sera lol

Shelton vs Tajiri.... I say it once more, in the thought that WWE will suddenly listen....

Anyone know the story about WWE bringing back the Great American Bash PPV, like when it will be?

They had one last year, which turned out to be one of the worst PPV's of the year..... It was in june if Im not mistaken.....

I think "Creative" was to blame for it being horrible, I just don't see the point in bringing back these old non WWE PPV names, after basically burying those companies during the completely botched up invasion angle.

I didnt mind the invasion angle, mind you that was the year I first got WWE Raw... So I had never seen it before, but I had seen nitro...which stunk.

I think they didnt take the angle to its full potential, but it wasn't that bad considering what other angles they have had....

I blame Bradshaw for it being so bad. But I admit, I blame him for all the bad PPVs now.

So what happens if theres a good one? lol

I congradulate Angle and Eddie.

lol

Hey now, Nitro was the **it for a few years there, and I think Nitro is what made Raw what it was in the late 90's into 2001. But you sound like you know your Pro wrestling, doubt you need a history lesson on the Monday Night Wars, unless of course your only knowledge of it comes from the WWE produced DVD. And this thread is over a year old, so I'm sure it may have been talked about.

I will say this, I've been watching Raw from day one... It was nowhere near as good as it even is now back between '93 and '97, Nitro upped the anty by a lot... Although having 2 weekly 2 hour shows with high caliber near PPV quality matches on tv seriously hurt the PPV's, and it hurt the building up of feuds, especially when they are coupled with monthly PPV's.


The death of WCW is something that still peeves me, as I held out hope that they'd get better again with wrestling people running the show, but Vince screwed the fans when he used his connections at Time Warner to get WCW's tv slot taken away, thus killing any chance Bishoff's group had of buying the company.

Oh well, can't do anything about it now.

Yes, I used to watch a bit of nitro and such.... and it was a good product, but the last stint of it was hoorible, far more horrible then anything I've seen the WWE put on.... and that says something.....

I find it very odd that if Vince had such good connections with Time Warner that he would wait until WCW was not making money, and had nearly killed his own business, before being able to get then taken off the air...... Why would you wait till your opponent is dying before taking action, rather then when its at its strongest?

Vince's connections in Time Warner came from the AOL merger, it was an AOL executive that took over programming at Turner tv, and not sure you know, but AOL and WWF had a close working relationship until AOL merged with Time Warner, but the AOL exec that took over at Turner tv, and eventually cancelled WCW, was also close personal friend of Vince.

Also, not sure if you know, back when Turner and Time Warner were merging, between the start of Nitro and the start of the NWO angle, Vince was taking out full page ads in newspapers telling people to boycott them and all that, trying to get the merger blocked and all, but when AOL was merging with Time Warner, WWF was on top, WCW was on the rocks, and he knew the problems WCW was having was all corporate, and him knowing the business, he knew a company like AOL, which was all about bottomlines, was not gonna keep WCW since they were losing money hand over fist, WCW would be one of the first assets let go, he knew this, knew he had the connections, and didn't say a peep about the merger.

..... Quite possibly, but the reason WCW was so bad towards the end, was just a by-product of how bad the company itself was. They had already lost Jericho, Eddie, Benoit, Malenko, Big Show and Perry Saturn to WWE on the fact WCW was not a good business to work for.....

I can't blame anybody but WCW for them not being around..... If they hadn't screwed so much up, they wouldn't have gotten themselves into that problem in the first place....

True, WCW did cause many of it's own problems, but let's look at the talent that left realistically... Jericho, with all do respect to his talent, he was a mid carder in ECW before going to WCW, and expected to be the main event over night, and complained about the stars holding him down, as if WWE is doing any better for him... In fact WWE is squandering him far more than WCW did as he IS a big star in WWE. Big Show was not nearly as good leaving WCW as he was coming in, and look at him in WWE, he's ballooned in weight, and half the performer. Malenko? What the hell was his gripe??? He was 5'8 and a mainstay in the cruiserweight divison, a division that WCW even at it's worst pushed far better than WWE has at it's best. Saturn has no personality, he failed in WWE as well. Only guys that came to WWE in that 1999/2000 exodus from WCW that deserved better in WCW were Benoit and Eddie.

Triple H... He complains about his time in WCW as well, he claims they held him down... Nonsense, he was still green when he was in WCW, he started wrestling in '91 I believe, and talks like he should have been given a world title run in WCW by '94. Please.

Foley... He was another one that was not in the business very long when he got into WCW, and expected Flair to show him respect? He was on tv every week, but that was not good enough for him, even though he was only wrestling for maybe 4 years at that point.

Austin... The way Austin was fired was low, very low, but his career in WCW included multiple tag title runs, tv title runs, and U.S. title runs, and again, he started wrestling in 1989 and was winning titles in a major organzation within 3 years. His run in WCW was FAR BETTER than his first run in WWE as The Ringmaster. At the time, Sting was a far bigger star than Austin, and Sting was wrestling for those titles still, even though he was already a 2 time WCW champion by the time he wrestled Austin for the U.S.

All these guys are just towing the company line, as they were being paid by WWE, not WCW... Even Hogan bashed WCW when he went back to WWE a couple years ago in the NWO angle, this coming from a man basically controlled WCW the entire time he was there.

It does seem that Former WCW stars do talk alot of crap about the WCW, but it seems like the WWE was alot hell of alot better when it had a little compotintion.

All it has now is TNA, and that is a far cry from what WCW vs WWf was like.

..... So all the talent that went to WCW after being in WCW, and those who have been fired from WWE that have no interest in it are also just agreeing twith WWE? Raven for one says the exact same thing about WWE, as did Jeff Jarret......

You dont seem to get that it was the environment that was the problem, not how they used it. You claim that just because someone is on TV and getting pushed, means they are being respected and happy..... That is not the case.... Goldberg came to WWE, hated it, says he will never go back...and also says that WCW was a hellhole.... The great Bret Hart even said similar about WCW.....

Its funny that I have never seen one person from WCW say that thats not the case at all, yet you seemingly think that everyone is saying some message that WWE seem to want published? Austin was spouting his opinion of WCW in ECW before he even came close to signing a deal with WWE, so its not like his opinion changed.....

Why would people leave WCW.... Why would everyone ever asked echo the same thing.... why would Vince Russo, also hating WWE and co echoe the exact same things saying it was a finished company when he got there, if it was not possibly true......

If your treated like garbage, no matter how shiny they try to make you look, your still going to feel like garbage..... If Benoit and Eddie were being treated badly, and Benoit was handed the World title just to try and keep him, then what makes you think that others in the company were being treated any better...?

Why did Hogan bash WCW? Because his contract said he had complete control over his character (including plot lines and who he would lose too) but he started to not get his way. He was gone from WCW before the place closed (well at least he left the shows).... He had his complaints, only afte he stopped getting his way.... So you can't associate him with this at all....