There is a big difference between them saying the work enviroment was horrible, and them saying they were held down.

The fact of the matter is that Jericho, and all the rest, don't just say the work enviroment was bad, they say they were held down by established stars, and that claim is a crock.

Truth is, the work enviroment these days in WWE is apparently no better, only difference being they can speak directly to the owner... Jericho is definately being held down, his head is definately being pressed against the glass ceiling, everyone knows it, he knows it, but where are his comments about being held down there? He isn't making them because he's getting a paycheck from them. Of the 2 champions, 1 is the owners son-in-law, the other is a loyal WWE employee with little to no main event level talent who is simply getting a reward for loyalty.

I don't argue the work enviroment claims, claims regarding management, and how none of them knew what they were doing, everyone who has had anything to do with WCW in it's best years and it's dying days has said it, WCW was a horrible company to work for, even Bishoff says he knew the end was coming when he was finding himself in WCW meetings with executives who knew nothing about wrestling, it was WCW's moronic management that put the title on Arquette, not Russo. But when Jericho, Foley, Austin, H, Regal, Malenko, when these guys cry they were held down in WCW, it's a crock... In fact some, like Triple H, were gone before all the management problems started in WCW, which happened when WCW was on top and all the Time Warner executives wanted to put their hands in the pot... Triple H is a bald faced liar when it comes to WCW, he has 2 different stories to tell, in one he says he had to get out of WCW because he was being held down and the management was all over the place, not the case, Bishoff was THEE man in charge of the day to day decision making there, and he was green, in the other story he says he always aspired to be in the WWF, so when his contract WCW expired he tried out for Vince, it all depends on which day it is, cause Triple H still tells these 2 different stories. Austin, claims he was held down also, says Bishoff ignored his ideas, he even claimed that the Stone Cold character was one of them, nonsense, his ex wife came up with it, it wasn't even him, and it was well into his WWF Ringmaster run... His brilliant idea in WCW was to have himself tag team with Hogan in another Hollywood Blondes gimmick, the one he did with Pillman.

Hell, Benoits issues with WCW, when he asked for his release, wasn't even WCW management itself... His problems were with Kevin Sullivan being the head booker, that is why the belt was just handed to him. He had a problem with it because he was affraid Sullivan would screw him, since they had a feud a couple years before that, and Benoit STOLE SULLIVANS WIFE in real life during it. That's a case of Benoit helping to make his own problems in the company! Truthfully though, Benoit was getting that title shot even before Sullivan was made the head booker.

Of course WCW was a bad company to work for, but these guys embellish it a bit when it comes to the claims of being held down by management and other wrestlers.

If you can claim that Jericho and co are being held down by HHH, then the same claims can be made for WCW where only a couple of guys held the title for most of the years....... All "big" names......

Jericho like many other wrestlers do not class the gold as the only thing as being pushed, they state that the amount of time they get to be on TV and PPV is how they are pushed. Jericho obviously would be upset not being in the title picture, but he even had a huge hand in his long fued/storyline with christiand which he claimed to enjoy so much..... In WWE I think youll find the majority of talent do get a big say in their storylines, despite the glass ceiling.....

RVD spoke out about being kept back, hes in WWE...... others have also said such, such as Stone COld saying HHH was a failure before coming back.... WWE employees dont automtically get a script to read from......

Paul Heyman whilst under WWE contract was critical on many things, so you cant claim that Just because they are getting paid they will keep quiet about it. i do beleive they are less likely to say some things obviously if they are getting paid well, but if there are drastic things wrongi would be sure the majority would say something......

I dont disagree that its easy to kick a dog when its down, but unless you and I are actually there we are both in the same position where it is impossible to fully understand the situation and make a proper judgement.....

Man, this thread moved ahead while I was gone...

You acnt leave me in a thread for 5 minutes Snuffs....You should know that by now...lol

I left for much longer than five minutes. I'm sure there are lots of reasons people don't get pushed in WWE and other promotions. Much of it may have nothing at all to do with in ring ability or being over with the fans. Running a wrestling business, and trying to keep everyone happy while putting out a decent product is infinitely harder than we probably imagine.

Of course, its like any form of life or workplace. Keeping everyone happy is near impossible......

Exactly, and when you're dealing with several large egos working in the same place, someone's bound to complain. Whether the work environment is good or not.

Now that I've read things through. Yes, Subby, you may sign Sera. She will be the face of Snuffy/Subby Championship Wrestling. Can you imagine her coming to the ring and cutting a promo in a well tailored business suit? Our plans would go down a lot easier, when we have her reveal them...

Snuffy, in all my days of imagining that had not crossed my mind, although now that I think about it....If shw came out and announced that Heidenrich was to face Snitsky I would probably enjoy it, so of course I agree, concur and echo.....

See, we can stay behind the scenes and plot and scheme, and therefore remain aloof and mysterious, while our spokesperson melts steel with her hotness...

Oh yes, Snuffy that is indeed a wise choice......

Although I do propose I do examine Sera's unique skills more closely before she does so.......

Please, Subby, if we are to bring her to our side, you must remain professional.

Snuffy, I shall try...But it shall be hard, as hard as a pun.

I see...I'm gonna change the subject before this gets worse

Wouldn't it be cool to see a world title match between RVD and Shelton Benjamin?

Sorry I couldnt help it....

Anyhow, yes I concer very muchly....Although I myself will wair to see if RVD is as flexible when he comes back from injury...I hope he remians like he was.....

This thread does move fast

By the time I read where I left off I forget what I was gonna say

Yes, moves faster then a non HHH raw title reign....

Ah, groovy.

Trish is ok. She is a good wrestler, but as far as sexyness goes, she IMO, is not very. She is too painted and platicish looking now.

Soon she will look like melted b**** Barbie

I mean Sable.

lol

I think the wrestling shows are very funny. They're like soap operas only everyone gets beat up and wrestlers seem to be better actors.

As an aspiring soap opera writer, that makes me laugh.

How can you say that.....

Read a few pages back at a convo between Sera and Myself for more information...lol

No references about things further back then 2 pages

I told ya I am too lazy to read lots!!!

ok...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...c=15680&st=2190

Haha!

Well..you guys can definitely make a good story for a soap opera..and im sure you would be great actors as well.

I am too lazy to click things.

Oh and about wrestling...


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Oh here we go

I love Vince.

I am an amazing actress. I also won the 6th grade spelling be.

I will write a soap opera at this forum like I do at the other forum and you will love me.

I should be a WWE Diva

But a good one, not a diva whore search chick

Go right ahead, whatever tickles your fancy

And I so can't wait to see Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle..... *sighs*

the only REAL WWE DIVA is Stacy

Molly, Victoria & Trish are wrasslers

And Lita ( ) is not so good anymore

and the rest are useless

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Sooo, our lesson today is that Goldberg is a true blue jerkoff?

You didn't already learn that lesson Snuffs? I am deeply disappointed....

I have to agree with Sub

....Genetic Jackhammer with training wheels...

I'm surprised they haven't Vince's injuries haven't been written in as a plotline. Its the kind of thing they'd do for a wrestler.

Actually, if Bischoff was still playing the evil GM then I'm sure it would have been used, with him making fun of Vince..... until Vince finally got some revenge, at some point...... I am glad they didn't bother....

Oh I think everyone's glad

I hear he was crap anyway.

I liken his style to a gangsta Jeff hardy..... without Jeff's charisma and in ring ability..... (oh dear god)

So indeed, he never impressed me much, all he ever did was jump off stuff.....

Sounds like the ideal Spot monkey..... Vince likes Spot-monkeys Peronsally I beleive anything above CZW should keep monkeys at arms length.

Im not so sure that I agree...... Apart from Jeff Hardy, who else do you class as a spot monkey within WWE?

Nobody. Rey comes the closest, but at least he's a talented Spot monkey.

I think I have heard arguments for RVD being a spot monkey too, but I don't really agree

Nahhh, RVD has some Spotmonkey qualities, but thats just his hardcore, flashy moves. However the rest of his technique is wreslting and he's decent at it. He's not a technical wrestler or a brawler, but he's no Spotmonkey.

I would class Rey as less of a spot monkey then RVD, because if you watch Rey in a match the matches can be much more adaptable with his opponent, and for example, his match with Kurt Angle a couple of weeks back, he can change his move set to suit his opponent. He does look more spotty around bigger opponents, but that is more because I beleive he needs to slow down so they can keep up...lol

Every wrestling move is a spot in my opinion, excpet chain wrestling as such, and Rey's matches with Eddie prove that hes capable of producing a full flowing match, rather then anything spot fested......

RVD isn't much different, although I dont think he has the time to change much of his style often, so you can almost tell what his match is going to be like in most cases before he's even started.....

But I love them both, and if either of them are classified as spot monkeys, then I will have to re-adjust my thinking....lol

Are there lots of Jeff Hardy haters here?

....Yes would be the first answer....lol

I dont hate him, he had a couple of good matches...he was just...nothing special...

I will give Jeff credit for putting his body on the line for the fans and bringing some new viewers to wrestling, but he was just kinda bland in the ring, and he botched alot.

But I will always remember the Undertaker vs Jeff Hardy ladder match

I hate Jeff Hardy