well if he kept turning up late for shows, and causing trouble backstage, I guess they had too, but he's been around so long they could have given him something to do back stage or some type of manager

I aslo added the quote , but theres so many good ones its hard to choose

I believe they were going to push Christian, but he was still injured from the hell in the cell match and didn't participate in the battle royal. I think that maybe they were going to have a triple threat kind of feud between Jericho, Christian, and Benoit or the truth about it is that if Jericho got the title shot, it would make Benoit a heel and maybe Vince wasn't ready for it yet. Kane is so engrossed in his fued with Matt Hardy and Triple H is so pissed about losing his title shot that maybe something will happen, maybe a match between the two to find out the real contender, but that would go against my sources info about a hell in the cell match between the two. In my opinion, the title should be in the hands of a face Chris Jericho, mainly because he has more personality than Benoit and is more talented. Sometimes the WWE just has to push other wrestlers because of the same feuds over and over again. The Triple H, Benoit, Michaels feud over and over and over again is getting boring and all the other contenders are in feuds, though three months of Christian and Jericho are also getting boring. I can't wait to see what'll happened next on Smackdown now that Bradshaw isn't the champion. Who will get the next push. I pray to God that they don't try another Bradshaw push. You said that the big guys don't get the same pop, but I heard that Taker got a louder pop than Eddie and Cena at Judgment Day! If they're gonna have a fued between Taker and Mordeki this summer, I don't see Taker becoming the champ, unless he gets the title as soon as the next pay-per-view. They might even cancel the whole fued altogether because of the silence he got at the pay-per-view.

Has there been anymore word on that possible ECW return or was that just an unfounded rumor. Vince has a history of hiring some of my favorite wrestlers and turning them into mid or under-card workers..
I'd love to see some of them back with Heyman, who seems to know how to get the best out of all of his guys..

I think a whole other brand such as ECW would be good for the WWE because the WWE would then care who it put on TV. VInce just does what he wants now because he has no competition. The WWE became what it is now because of competition during the attitude era. Also, the WWE roster could use losing a good fifteen to twenty superstars to shorten the list of wrestlers and ending this brand draft crap.

I know, again, you may not care, but any word about Jeff Jarret, X-Pac, DDP, Sting, or any big name joining the WWE? I know DDP is a trainer, right? Does he plan on wrestling again? What about Kanyon? Actually, what's the biggest rumor you know right now that might not excite you, but would excite others. I heard Hogan might come back. I dont' know.

I heard DDP would never wrestle again because he can't find an insurance company willing to cover him. I hope he'll come back in some capacity though, the man can cut a promo like no other..
Poor X-Pac will be hated and ignored no matter what he does,so I doubt they'll bother bringing him back. Seeing Kanyon again would be good,he's a great wrestler. Although that voice of his will always keep him from being taken too seriously..

Well theres a rumour going around that its HHH vs. Shawn Michaels Hell In A Cell match at Bad Blood, now I can see this happening in 2 ways Shawn Micheals wins and HHH goes off and does some movies or HHH wins and Shawn Michaels retires.
I'm guessing thats a Main Event too so it could make sense to pick Kane because its not gonna be a ME, if it was Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho maybe WWE writers were afraid that match would steal the show, and take focus away from HHH vs HBK

what's up everybody, new to the board. i found it by accident to tell you the truth but i'm really glad i did. i've been watching wrestling since i was about 4 (i'm 19) but i can't really nerd out about it with any of my friends because none of them watch it. i've been reading up and i'm happy to see knowledgeable people here that i wouldn't just have to talk at instead of to. anyway, on with the show.

Welcome to the board. There really only seems to be a few of us recently who talk regularly about wrestling and we could certainly use another voice here. Who's your favorite and why. I like Taker, Seraphina like anyone with technical skill such as Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho. I would like to ask everyone what would be their dream match and who would be a part in it. No match is too big and anyone you can think of, that's been a wrestler in the last ten years can be a part.

dream match hmmm...

I got a few with John Cena like (heel)Rock vs (face)John Cena,(heel)HHH vs (face)John Cena,or (face)Y2J vs (face)John Cena

It would probly be as bad as WM20(Brock vs Goldberg) but Brock Lenser vs Batista or Kane just have alot of brute strenght and more of fast pace.also HBK vs Brock Lesner

I dunno if this has happend before but maybe (heel but also could be face)Chris Benoit vs (face)Rey Mysterio Jr, or a champion vs champion match Chris Benoit vs Eddie Guerrero

I know theres alot but it's hard to pick one

i hate to break it to you, but i'm also a nerd for the technicians. but i think a lot of that comes from spending middle school and most of high school doing amateur wrestling, so i really like angle, lesnar, benoit, bret hart, etc. dean malenko's matches with rey mysterio were pretty much the only reason i would watch nitro. if anybody didn't watch those, god they were beautiful. as far as a total package, my favorite wrestlers are kurt angle, chris jericho, randy orton, in that order. those are just the ones currently working, if we're talking all time then you have to add brock lesnar, bret and owen hart, and shawn michaels from his first heel turn on marty janetty right up to the day after wrestlemania when he was supposed to have retired. i don't remember what wrestlemania it was, it was either 15 or 16 to the best of my recollection. heel or face, when i was like 10 years old there was nobody better than shawn michaels. he can still put on a good show, but he pales in comparison to the main eventer he once was.

as far as fantasy matches, i would love brock vs goldberg but only if they let brock just DESTROY goldberg, i hate that man with the passion of 1000 suns. wcw is notorious for making ego-maniacs out of first year big guys, especially if they don't really have talent. goldberg not only was champ his first year, they gave him an undefeated streak. big show (as the giant) won the championship HIS FIRST NIGHT. against hulk hogan! now if that doesn't make your head too big for the doorway, i don't know what will. granted, lesnar became champ pretty quickly too, but that was because the man has talent. with paul heyman working the mic, he could just get his experience murdering people in the ring. another key difference is that brock lesnar was willing to give. i think he recognized the fact that even though he was getting pushed to the moon, he was still new and didn't have the experience to be walking around like he was hot stuff. he would just get better and better with every match, just unbelievable. i was sad to see him go, especially jobbing out to a no-talent piece of crap like goldberg. isn't goldberg the reason bret hart can't wrestle anymore? i heard goldberg tried to superkick him and caught him right underneath his chin and screwed his neck up.
sorry, i was off on a tangent. i think a randy orton/owen hart/chris jericho match would be amazing. i miss blue meanie and dancin stevie richards. how about a kevin nash vs lex luger showdown to see who can get through the match using the fewest possible actual wrestling moves?

Unfortunately I've already seen my dream match. It was the Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit 60 minute, most falls wins match a couple of years back. Nothing's topped it yet and I'm not holding my breath either..
Welcome to the board Jizzames! I miss The Meanie and Dancin' Stevie too! The Blue World Order lives on with us!

hahaha totally. watching stevie play off raven back in the flock days in wcw was just priceless.

Speaking of dead gimmicks..Considering how bad the WWE has treated Lance Storm,and how effective a Heel Clique Team Canada was, Why not try bringing that back? It really couldn't hurt to try anything these days..

I really hated that though, and I don't think they actually called themselves Team Canada wasn't it the "the Un-Americans" because it had William Regal in it also or am I think of something else.Anyways when they where going with that I saw signs in the crowd with like "Canada Sucks" on them, and having them always gettin beat it just really turned me off. Besides they already have the French/French-Canadian thing going. Why not just get some wrestler from Iraq and have him come on the show for some cheap heat.

P.S. Canadian wrestlers are the best

The Un-Americans' was the William Regal/Lance Storm tag-team from the WWE. Team Canada was strictly WCW. I was thinking that cheap heat is better than the no-heat the WWE is starting to get now..
And Trish Stratus would be a good replacement for Major Gunz..
I'd just like to see the more talented mid-carders have some direction and get some camera time instead of constantly watching the giant, hulking wrecks stumbling their way through another forgettable match like were seeing now..
I agree, Canadian Wrestlers do rule, and a lot of them are the talented mid-carders I was talking about. A Team Canada ressurection would get them in the spotlight for a while..

Ya I can see where your coming from but the thing is I thought Rene Dupree would win the U.S. title and call it the France championship like Lance Storm did(except with Canada),which would get alot heat. I really thought the Un-Americans where Test,William Regal,Lance Storm, and Christain.Also isn't Lance Storm retired

if there was a faction to be formed again I would really like to see another ministry of darkness (or light maybe with mordecai and some others)

I'd forgotten all about Test and Christian being members, shows how good that worked out I guess. I was hoping Dupree would win the tiltle too, but they probably want to milk the feud a little longer, it's one of the only things Smackdown has going for it right now..

Ya Christian and William Regal where the only ones to become successful after that, even though there good wrestlers I dout Sylvain Grenier and Rob Conway will move on from the whole french thing but I could be wrong

Does anyone actually think these guys are for real?

Bring back "real" wrestling.

To make a comparison with a movie and a wwf match is like comparing caviar with sawdust.

I take the note on the fact that some of these moves must hurt, but as for acting.....my two year old would do a better job at delivering their lines.

On another note, my point was not a post to tell people it's fake, more a sarcastic overture.

Again, you're painting with a very broad brush, and I've got no real time for this same ignorance again and again from people who likely haven't even given the industry the time of day (the fact you still call it the wwf shows how long it's been since you've even looked in the direction of wrestling, let alone known anything about it).

Wrestling currently has millions of fans across the face of the globe In Japan it is considered a legitimate sport in the same light as our football, and in Mexico it's practically a relgion. The vast majority of people who've actually given time to get into wrestling have come to love it, while those who dislike it (and are usually the most vocal against it) haven't even bothered.

Unless you actually have some kind of structured arguement to give instead of the same "it's fake, I hate it" routine, then kindly stop posting in our thread. We're sick and tired of having to defend the sport we love from ignorance and pettiness, simply because someone wants to have a chuckle at men and women who make more sacrifices in a night than yomost people will in their entire lives.

This is a thread about professional wrestling, not amature wrestling. As much respect as I have for the latter, I also have no interest in it whatsoever. Talking about a pair of men sticking their heads in each other's arm pits and grappling till they puke isn't our style.

See? You made a joke about my sport, now I made one about yours, we're even

The only context in which the olympics has any relevance in this thread is whether or not Kurt Angle has any chance of winning it...given who he is, he doesn't really have an option of not winning a gold medal again, without people riding him about it for the rest of his career.

However, riding into our thread, making a joke about something we care very much about and take very seriously, and then trying to change the subject is sort of like me walking into your house when you're watching tv, picking up the remote, and changing the channel. If you care to join in, at least show some respect for the topic, and the people who've been posting here.

So you've gone from making fun of the subject, to making fun of me?

But I'm sorry, what exactly was I supposed to say in responce to your comment? You came into a long running, very passionate thread, and insulted something that everyone posting here holds very near and dear. In my position, you'd be pretty damn angry too...especially since it's not enough that you did once, but you continued to insult the wrestling industry in your following post.

You just have to understand something - Wrestling fans, myself included, take the sport very seriously indeed...we've had to put up with years of ignorance from non wrestling fans about how it's "fake" or similar arguements, or worse still: "wr3st1ng 5ux0rz!" So I'm sure you can imagine we've become rather sick of this line of thought, and are quite sensative to it.

We have enough trouble with people not taking something we love seriously, let alone actually being forced to defend ourselves for liking it. If you're surprised at how angry your post made me, then try to imagine yourself in a conversation with friends about your favourite movie, book, or whatnot...when suddenly someone comes out of the blue, and makes an overused, badly thought out, redundant slur to whatever you're talking about, that you've heard over and over and over again, everywhere you go.

Wrestling isn't a joke to us, if all you're here to do is make fun of it, then you're not going to be making many friends in this thread.

Damn!! We just woke up over here. I'm sad I missed this one..

Withering, wasn't I?

Yep, made him look stupid without insulting him once...

Anyway, now that the peanut gallery has fled, I have a question. Whatever happened to Charlie Haas' brother Russ? They used to be a great tag-team and all the reports indicated they'd both be in the WWE. But now I notice that Charlie always writes Russ on his tape, did he die?

I have no idea....if his brother ever was in the WWE, no mention was ever made of him on camera (at least not that I remember). I wouldn't jump to conclusions about the tape though...Steve Corino writes "Colby" (his son) on his tape, and he's son is alive and well.

I didn't even know Charlie had a brother in any event. If we haven't seen him on tv yet though, we may never...they probably would have used him in some poor taste angle already involving Rico wanting a threesome

You wouldn't have seen him on TV, Russ and Charlie tag-teamed in the OVW federation that the WWE uses as its' training ground. They were pegged as being the next big thing in the tag-team world,so when Charlie came to the WWE with Shelton Benjamin I wondered..

3-way with Rico? Thanks for the nightmares...

lol...

I can't remember if I've posted this before or not...but I'm still expecting them to have a skit where Charlie, after weeks of tagging with Rico, actually begins to become fond of his partner and, one day, decides to set things straight with him.

Charlie: "Rico...Listen, as much as I was really hesitant about tagging with you at first, I have to admit, I was wrong about you. You're a great wrestler, and a great tag team partner..."

Rico: "OoOoO...I'm glad you think so highly of me "

Charlie: "....uh....yeah....anyway, I just wanted to say I'm proud to hold those titles with you....BUT...just to make sure we're clear...I'm not gay."

Rico: "...."

Charlie: "...."

Rico: "....I'm not gay either...what on earth made you think I was!?"


....that would actually be kinda funny...

I think that's probably exactly what will happen since they did it with Billy&Chuck. Vince does love to repeat himself at times..
I also wonder if Rico realy IS gay. And if he isn't, I wonder how a big, butch former police-officer feels about having to play that character..
Not that I really give a damn what his sexual preference is, I just think it's funny that a straight guy might have to camp it up on a nightly basis..
How would pick up girls after that...

I have one big question. How on earth can a guy who has eaten half his house, has his every move choreographed to perfection, goes in to a ring knowing the outcome prior to any action actually win a world crown?

For what?

For entertainment purposes, of course. And frankly your statement about choreography reveals a lack of knowledge about the industry. While they may be told who's going to win a match in advance,it's not like they practice it beforehand..
You get in the ring and hope your opponent will work wwith you to have a good match..
The entire thing is an ad-libbed work. The fact that it looks choreographed is a testament to their skill.

Allow me to try and educate you on this matter before I ask the mods to have a word with you about showing a little decorum...

First of all, the world title represents recognition that a wrestler has worked his ass off, has put on the best performances he possibly can, and has been recognised by both the fans and the company as being deserving of holding that title. You're not simply given the world title on a whim...it's something you have to work towards, and prove yourself deserving of.

Every post you've made here is an absolute insult to men and women who work harder, and put themselves through more every single night than you have in your entire life; everything you've said has disrespected them, their fans, and everything they've worked for to try and gain acceptance for the sport in a world full of ignorant people like you.

It's clear you know nothing about wrestling, about the sacrifices they make for the sake of entertaining millions of people across the world, and as both a fan and someone who's training to be a wrestler, I consider your words a personal insult.

If you have nothing to say except childish pokes and insults, then I suggest you don't make another post in this thread. I'm willing to accept the occassional childish comment, but you persistance in coming back here again and again to continue this suggests you're just looking for a fight, and as I've said many times before, I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

I have never quashed the entertainment value of pro wrestling.

If you get paid to do something you're a professional, hence "Pro-Wrestling". You could also be a pro-accountant, or a pro-garbage man if you wanted to describe yourself that way. It might be aggrandizing, but I don't see how it's offensive..
And if you work your ass off for years, why shouldn't you get to be called a "Champion" of your chosen craft?

I see where that comes from, I'm not too sure how they warrant a world title though.

My posts are aimed towards Falco who has shown more maturity in one post than you have in several.

Be quiet now.

This is a thread that you seem to think should only reflect the views of pro wrestling lovers. I am not one, but a little sarcasm is far from insulting. My views are shared by more than you would care to admit. We don't all enjoy the same things, but that doesn't mean we get on our high horse and start accusing people of insults and ignorance.

And now you try and turn it round on me

Mr Phenom, you came in here and immedietly started making fun of wrestling, and then of me...when you realised this had touched a nerve, you continued to do so. When the subject had changed, you decided to come back in and do it again...I'm beginning to feel like I have a jack russel snapping away at my heels, and no matter how much I stomp in its direction, it's continuing to yap away.

You're right, I DO think this thread should reflect the veiws of people you love wrestling. What's so unusual about that? We're trying to talk about something we're fans of, something we enjoy, and we've managed to do so until now without being forced to defend ourselves for it. If you're not a fan of wrestling, that's your business...but it doesn't give you the right to come into our thread and hound us over and over with your "sarcasm."

THIS is sarcasm: "Wow...that Goldberg...he sure is a great wrestler."

It's been made clear to you that your attempts at humour were offensive...a person with any sense of deceny would then stop. I trust that means you're going to...questions I'll answer...points of veiw I'll discuss...but childish insults I'll respond to with anger, and expecting anything else just goes to show how little you understand how much you ARE insulting the industry.

Sera's training to be a wrestler now, so to her your posts are insulting because you're downing her craft.So don't be upset if she flies off the handle at you.
You may have seen the WWE guys put on a practice show and seen how it was put together, but a show is just what it was..That's not how things run on a nightly basis. Normally they are told what their match will be on the night they get to the Arena and they do what they can with it. If it's a major match, they may learn about it a few weeks in advance.They can discuss what they're going to do with their opponent or not,it's up to them, unless the writing team needs something specific from them...
But they don't normally practice their matches ahead of time..
I try to take the high road usually but some of your comments HAVE been offensive to anyone who's more than a casual fan. you're welcome to post here, but please tone down the insults. If you've noticed I haven't made any coments about amateur wrestling to you, and I'm no big fan of that..