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Seraphina
Ah, Stephanie...the women who gave us the Sable push, or Chavo dropping the title to Jaqueline, to name but a few lunacies tongue.gif
Subtemperate
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-- In the event that the ECW PPV does take place as planned, Lance Storm is looking to complete some training in OVW before the big night, "In the event that I get confirmation that it is taking place I may even work a few OVW matched before hand to better get back into shape." Storm has been pushing the idea of working the ECW PPV via his website for the past several months.

-- Storm is also pushing to work against Chris Benoit when RAW hits Calgary in May. At this point, Storm believes the best bet would be to push for the match to take place as one of their special "off-air" attractions.
The Book Man
raw acctually was half decent tonight so so i gave it a 6/10
AtticusBlueprint
I loved the new WM commercial though....thats how you use Snitsky, just don't let him wrestle.
Mervyn
Last nights raw really bugged me... Wasnt the best in ring stuff, and some of the booking made no sense whatsoever..
Seraphina
Care to elaborate? I havn't actually seen it yet, so I'm not in a position to say. What is it you feel didn't make sense?
Mervyn
Didn't want to risk even the slightest spoiler . .

Just the overall booking seemed very sloppy to me, matches were set up that really didnt make as sense, add to that a LONG ass promo by HHH . .

The WM commercial was cool though original.gif Big Dave rules original.gif
Subtemperate
I'm not sure what you mean, the matches they had make sense to me... huh.gif

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Last Saturday, SmackDown! star Shannon Moore was involved in a head-on car collision wih a renowned sergeant in the US Army near Fort Bragg.

Moore had met with friends from the RAW roster, and was returning home when he was his car was hit head-on by the soldier's Hummer, who was later, arrested for drunken driving.

After leaving RAW, Matt Hardy, who lives in the area, was following Shannon Moore home in his Corvette. During the journey, Moore overtook Hardy, who should count himself lucky, as a collision with his Corvette may have proved fatal.

Moore was injured from the impact, and it isn't known how long he will be out for action.
Subtemperate
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After only a month, former soap opera writer Wendy Fissman has left the WWE creative team. It was apparent that Fissman didn't fit into WWE's way of running things, and has subsequently been released. The consensus is that if a somebody without a deep lover of wrestling joins the team, it is unlikely to work out. WWE want to bring new members to the team and are holding meetings for applicants during the week.


Chavo Guerrero Jr. is unable to wrestle at the moment due to a fractured bone in his eye, and is not listed for any upcoming events for the next month.


As reported, Randy Orton is also off the post Mania cards due to a shoulder injury. WWE are hoping that his injury won't take a turn for the worse, and he'll be in good condition to face Undertaker at WrestleMania.
Mervyn
Well HHH making the match for Batista a lumberjack match . .

Uncle Eric only said he could choose his opponent, nothing about stipulations . .

HHH's long promo

Batista VS. Kane is not exactly a good match either

HHH'S long promo

Tomko Vs Benoit ? . . . Tomko doesnt deserve a match with Benoit yet.

HHH is still talking ? ? ?

Molly jobs to that Diva whore sad.gif

Orton RKO'ING Stacy . . wow, that wasnt expected

There was just no flow to the show..


AtticusBlueprint
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Well HHH making the match for Batista a lumberjack match . .

Uncle Eric only said he could choose his opponent, nothing about stipulations . .


Yeah, and if HHH got to choose the stips why didn't he choose like a Hell in the Cell, or a Casket Match, that would have better chances of taking out Batista.

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HHH's long promo


Oh my god, that was long...I mean I was waiting for somebody to come out...nobody did no.gif

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Molly jobs to that Diva whore


Well at least she didn't botch anything hmm.gif

Ric Flair was gold last night though




snuffypuffer
Did anyone notice how he was sweating through his shirt? Howling like an idiot really takes a lot out of him laugh.gif
AztecInca
Ah well, he is just starting to get along a little, its not like hes still in his 20s or 30s although with the way he acts you could nearly believe he was. He is by far one of the most entertaining people in wrestling history!
Seraphina
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There was just no flow to the show..


I don't know why...but I find saying that in slow motion very amusing huh.gif

Anyway, Ric Flair is a guy I've got mixed feelings about...on the one hand, you can't draw up a list of the greatest wrestlers of all time without Ric Flair being on it...and even today, even though he's been wrestling so long that his first match was with Moses, he can still have a very respectable outing with the right opponent....

However...he...you know...disrespected Foley...
Subtemperate
I must say, after watching some of Raw for the first time in a while..... Maybe Randy could alos use some sharpening up skills on the mic. How many times can he say the same thing in a row?
Frogs
QUOTE(Seraphina @ Mar 23 2005, 05:34 AM)
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There was just no flow to the show..


I don't know why...but I find saying that in slow motion very amusing huh.gif

Anyway, Ric Flair is a guy I've got mixed feelings about...on the one hand, you can't draw up a list of the greatest wrestlers of all time without Ric Flair being on it...and even today, even though he's been wrestling so long that his first match was with Moses, he can still have a very respectable outing with the right opponent....

However...he...you know...disrespected Foley...
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On the whole Flair / Foley thing. I'd heard it basically started way back in WCW when Flair basically told Foley that if he didn't tone down his style he'd get injured and his career would be cut short. Is there more to it than that?
Seraphina
All I know is that Mick has done more then enough for the industry to deserve respect...and some of the things Flair said about him in his book were disgusting. Now don't get me wrong...I have all the respect in the world for Ric Flair (sort of...)...but I don't think his accolades give him a right to say whatever he likes about Foley.

The only person Foley was really viscious towards in his book was Al Snow tongue.gif
Frogs
I agree with you that Foley has done alot for the business and deserves respect. Heck I'll be the first to admit I'm a mark for both Foley and Flair. Even behind the mike - they have totally different styles but either can cut great promo's.

I was just wondering how all the bad blood started.
Mervyn
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There was just no flow to the show..

I don't know why...but I find saying that in slow motion very amusing


It's also disturbingly close to being a Cena rap original.gif

I think part of the Bad blood is also that Flair is old school and Foley is not , and there is a certain amount of resentment as a result.

Flair did overreact to Foley's comments that's for sure.. and the Ironic thing is Flair is reacting to Foley's remarks the same way Hart reacted to Flair's remarks original.gif
Subtemperate
The difference is that Foley (from memory) said that Flair wsn't a good booker..... whereas Flair commented on Hart's in ring ability (or drawing power I forget).... saying he never made money for the company and wasn't a good champion.....

I dont recall Foley saying anything like that about flair....
Mervyn
Im not saying Foley said anything bad at all about Flair, just that Flair overreacted big time to what Foley said..

Foley said . .

"Ric Flair was every bit as bad on the booking side of things as he was great on the wrestling side of it."

Flair replied . .



"Foley has a cult following because of his contribution to hardcore wrestling," said Flair in excerpts from his book. "But hardcore is such a small part of the history of this business. When I was training, falling off a ladder was not a prerequisite to making it was a professional wrestler. Being fundamentally sound was ...

"I don't care how many thumbtacks Mick Foley has fallen on, how many ladders he's fallen off of, how many continents he's supposedly bled on, he'll always be known as a glorified stuntman.

"Verne Gagne didn't fall off a ladder. Dory Funk Jr. didn't fall off a ladder. Neither did Wahoo (McDaniel), (Ricky) Steamboat or Steve Austin. Terry Funk was a great worker before he started doing that. Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho can do it and maintain their reputations because they're already respected as athletes.

"And what about people who never did anything else, like the Sandman? He's no wrestler. Hardcore became a niche for a lot of guys who couldn't do (anything) in the ring.

"I'm not saying that Mick Foley wasn't a star, that he wasn't a great attraction. But in my estimation, Mick Foley was not a great worker. He couldn't punch. He couldn't kick. In the World Wrestling Federation, he'd spend half the day sucking up to the writers -- because he's such a fan of himself.

"There's a difference between being a great performer and being a guy -- like Brutus Beefcake or The Ultimate Warrior -- who became famous because he happened to be working for Vince (McMahon). It's the same with Foley. When he hasn't been working for Vince, there's been no demand for him whatsoever. He's just another guy."


The Ironic thing . . If it werent for the sucess of Foley's books to begin with, very few of these wrestlers would have gotten the book deals they got original.gif

AtticusBlueprint
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-- On Other Wrestlers Not Stepping Up Their Game
"They are all just sitting back and waiting for someone to create them. They are all just sitting back waiting for someone to say all right we are using you today. It doesn't happen like that. Vince McMahon didn't look at Steve Austin one day when he was The Ringmaster and say I am going to make you a big star. Steve Austin did all that. He went from being The Ringmaster to create a new image, persona, and when it started to get over with the fans Vince McMahon said this guy is so over I got to do something with him. The same thing with The Rock they were chanting die Rocky die. He created himself and all those things. He got to a point where he was becoming so popular with the fans good guy or bad guy. Vince McMahon had to do something with him because he made himself into something big. That's how it works."


I kinda agree hmm.gif
AztecInca
Wait a minute, Flair bagged Bret Hart and Foley..........This is an outrage, he shall pay for that, oh how he will pay......................
Mervyn
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-- On Other Wrestlers Not Stepping Up Their Game
"They are all just sitting back and waiting for someone to create them. They are all just sitting back waiting for someone to say all right we are using you today. It doesn't happen like that. Vince McMahon didn't look at Steve Austin one day when he was The Ringmaster and say I am going to make you a big star. Steve Austin did all that. He went from being The Ringmaster to create a new image, persona, and when it started to get over with the fans Vince McMahon said this guy is so over I got to do something with him. The same thing with The Rock they were chanting die Rocky die. He created himself and all those things. He got to a point where he was becoming so popular with the fans good guy or bad guy. Vince McMahon had to do something with him because he made himself into something big. That's how it works."


So I guess that explain why RVD first appeared and was getting the monster cheers he was put straight into the main event ? ?

Oh wait he wasnt . .

That would also explain why DDP was told NOT to use the Diamond Cutter sign and to excite the crowds

Hmm, that doesnt make sense either . . .

That above quote is wrong.. VINCE has to be a Fan of you before you get any attention at all,

Rock had a lot of help for his character from .. Russo believe it or not

Stone Cold's real popularity didnt began until his 3:16 chant after winning King of the ring , beating Jake the Snake Roberts no less . . He was booked to win King of the Ring ? how about that . . must have been a coincedence

Vince makes those he LIKES into stars, and he will push anyone as long as HE'S a fan of that guy.

It's really a simply formula , just take a mental tally of who gets promo time and for how long... Those who get the most time, are those favoured by Vince.

A wrestler can be really popular, but if they don't get the wins, fans will lose interest, because above all, that's what fans want, a winner, even in a predetermined event like pro-wrestling.
AtticusBlueprint
Couldn't Booker T fit somewhere up there too?
Mervyn
Almost any Ex WCW wrestler could original.gif
Subtemperate
RVD was main eventing in his first couple of months here..... Thats a push is it not?

Do you consider holding the title the only push?

Sure he went backwards from there, but most seemingly do...with very few exceptions....
Talon
Vince has a tendency to favour his own guys against anyone who was made in ECW and WCW.
copenhagon_btch
so is this thread about fake wrestling or actual wrestling?
Mervyn
Define fake and Real wrestling original.gif
Seraphina
Professional wrestling is not "fake"...and believe me, I know tongue.gif I've done it tongue.gif

What is certainly true is that the sport involves a cooperation between the athletes in the ring, trying to work as a team to put on the most exciting and dramatic match that they can (unless they're Bill Goldberg tongue.gif). It is true that results are determined in advance, and that the wrestlers, during the course of their match, actually run "spots" - that being, talking to each other to set out what moves they'll be doing next.

However, there is a vast, vast difference between 'fake' and 'scripted' tongue.gif (individual matches aren't generally scripted, but I'll use that for lack of a better word). Let me assure you that each and every move performed in the ring does hurt. Injuries incurred in the wrestling world are genuine injuries. There is very little indeed that's 'fake' about the action portrayed.
Frogs
That is true Serphina. When I was in college I used to go to a gym used by alot of wrestlers. Local ones from Florida wrestling and big names when the WWE would come to town. Most of the ones I knew don't wrestle anymore and some have sadly passed away. But Lex Lugar, Rick Rude, Dustin Rhodes, Kevin Sullivan, Ron Bass, Mark Lewin (Purple Haze), Brian Blair, Billy Graham, Iron Shiek, Road Warriors, Nasty Boys and others all came through there. What I learned from talking to them. Yeah, its scrpited. Most times its like Serphina said, who is supposed to win is known before hand and the wrestlers work it out from there. Some big matches are scripted before hand.

Obviously, they all are trained to do the moves without getting seriously injured. However, alot of injuries do happen and all the moves, falling, slams, etc take their toll on the body. So, is it pre-determined? Sure. Do people get hurt? You bet.

Subtemperate
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Both Lance Storm and Tommy Dreamer came out of retirement at last night's OVW taping to prepare for the upcoming ECW PPV. Storm teamed with MNM to take on Tommy Dreamer and The Dudleys.

Via his website, Lance Storm has consistently been hinting at a desire to work the ECW show and it seems this could be the start of a plan to get in shape for the show.


Mervyn
I'd Love to see Lance in the Ring again !! original.gif
Subtemperate
If only Tazz or Rvd could be in the event.... sad.gif
snuffypuffer
crying.gif what if, maybe, we had SSSCW, and we had one, and they were in it, and everyone loved us?
Subtemperate
Oh you are wise in thinking Snuffy.....

Let the word go out to those who do not know, SSSCW would have one of those involved, and we would not misuse them...
The Book Man
isnt rvd supposed to back back around thetime of the ecw ppv?
copenhagon_btch
QUOTE(Mervyn @ Mar 24 2005, 10:35 AM)
Define fake and Real wrestling original.gif
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like high school wrestling, the original. Or is it?
And wrestling not done in high school.
See I wrestle High school, and its like the best sport in my opinion.

The Book Man
whats your weight class i wrestle 171's
copenhagon_btch
QUOTE(Seraphina @ Mar 24 2005, 10:45 AM)
Professional wrestling is not "fake"...and believe me, I know tongue.gif I've done it tongue.gif

What is certainly true is that the sport involves a cooperation between the athletes in the ring, trying to work as a team to put on the most exciting and dramatic match that they can (unless they're Bill Goldberg tongue.gif). It is true that results are determined in advance, and that the wrestlers, during the course of their match, actually run "spots" - that being, talking to each other to set out what moves they'll be doing next.

However, there is a vast, vast difference between 'fake' and 'scripted' tongue.gif (individual matches aren't generally scripted, but I'll use that for lack of a better word). Let me assure you that each and every move performed in the ring does hurt. Injuries incurred in the wrestling world are genuine injuries. There is very little indeed that's 'fake' about the action portrayed.
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sorry that came out wrong.... i mean like .... not high school wrestling(like ummmm.... i think u know what i mean)...... im not really into the Professional wrestling.... but i still watch it every once in a while. I watch um.... the new wrestling show thats out there... dang i cant think of what its called. anyways has anyone done high school wrestling in this thread?
copenhagon_btch
QUOTE(The Book Man @ Mar 24 2005, 03:22 PM)
whats your weight class i wrestle 171's
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125 and 130
but in usa wrestling i am 15-16 125 or 130
Seraphina
Well...we did get taught a lot of shoot holds in our wrestling dojo, if that counts...
Mervyn
QUOTE(copenhagon_btch @ Mar 24 2005, 04:21 PM)
QUOTE(Mervyn @ Mar 24 2005, 10:35 AM)
Define fake and Real wrestling original.gif
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like high school wrestling, the original. Or is it?
And wrestling not done in high school.
See I wrestle High school, and its like the best sport in my opinion.
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Ahh k original.gif

Well , for the most part we are referring to Profesional wrestling, not greco roman or free style,(Not that cannot be discussed here, after all many Professional wrestlers have a amatuer background) but pleasedon't refer to it as "FAKE" , that rather insulting to the fans and also insulting to all the wrestlers over the years who have been injured, crippled or even killed practicing their craft.

And the best sport is Hockey btw thumbsup.gif
Subtemperate
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Wrestler Shannon Moore was hurt Sunday morning in a wreck in Spring Lake.

The wreck happened about 2:30 a.m. on Bragg Boulevard, Spring Lake Police Chief A.C. Brown said.

Moore, of Moore County, works for Connecticut-based World Wrestling Entertainment.

Moore, 25, was headed north on Bragg Boulevard when a car struck him head-on, Brown said. The other driver, Dale Fellows, was traveling south in the northbound lane, lawmen said.

Brown did not have further details about the wreck. There was some confusion over whether Spring Lake police or Fort Bragg military police were handling the accident and charges in the case, Brown said.

As of Wednesday afternoon, a Fort Bragg spokeswoman said, Spring Lake was handling the charges and the accident report.

No charges had been filed against Fellows as of Wednesday afternoon.

Gary Davis, a WWE spokesman, said Moore was hurt in the wreck. He said he was taken to Cape Fear Valley Medical Center, where he was treated and released. Davis said he suffered minor injuries but had no broken bones.

"He's at home recuperating and doing well," Davis said.

Moore was on his way home to Moore County when the wreck happened, Davis said. He had been with friends at the WWE "Raw!" show at the Crown Arena before the accident.

Moore was expected to take part in Wrestlemania 21 in Los Angeles next weekend, Davis said, but that is uncertain now.

"Usually all of the talent comes out and we'll take his situation day by day," Davis said. "It depends on if he feels up to it and can travel."


Moore...was going to take part in Wrestlemania 21?
Mervyn
Well all the wrestlers, even if they are not on the card, they may get a match on Heat.. or at least in Attendance backstage.

Or they may have used him for other things, like a backstage vignette, or one of Taker's Druids for his entrance.
Seraphina
you know, it would be a huge shame for him to miss wrestlemania because of this...something that wasn't even his fault...
Mervyn
Id still go myself, even if I couldn't wrestle, would be great just to BE there original.gif
Subtemperate
Sorry, but i thought this was amusing....

When people in the ladder match had to name the one person who they thought would be the most difficult to beat Shelton sadi this:

“I’d have to say that my biggest threat will probably be Kane because the only way to get rid of him is to beat him in the head with something really hard. And if I beat the ladder over his head too much, I might not be able to climb it because of all the damage that big head would do to it. So I’ll say Kane, but not because I can’t take him out, but because the manner with which I do it might leave me without the tools I need to get to the briefcase.”
Mervyn
Hahahaha

Gotta love that ! original.gif
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