I think you'll find the first directed insult was by you at me.
Sarcasm is something you have a problem with, granted it was my intro to the thread. As yet I have not insulted the "sport" nor its participants.
But my question, which you obviously haven't grasped is the fact they are rated as pro and given championship titles.
That's fair enough Falco. As I said, I have never dismissed the effort or dedication they put in. i am not questioning their craft....merely the way it is recognised.
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Well' I guess the point is that it isn't recognized. It's a title held within it's own industry. It's not seen as a valid sports title around the World. It's merely a title of achievement for someone in that specific federation..
Don't go on the assumption that wrestling fans are dummies who believe it's unscripted sport. Those type of fans don't exist anymore. nowadays we enjoy wrestling on television for what it is. That's why it's called Sports-Entertainment and not Sports..
Don't go on the assumption that wrestling fans are dummies who believe it's unscripted sport. Those type of fans don't exist anymore. nowadays we enjoy wrestling on television for what it is. That's why it's called Sports-Entertainment and not Sports..
Hey, where'd he go?
*has smoothed out her hair, and calmed down slightly...though is still edgy, and will bite if provoked*
....to address the issue of how matches are run...some wrestlers do feel the need to go through every step of the match with their opponent. This will almost always be done if it's the first time you've wrestled someone, or if you haven't been in the ring with them for a long time. Otherwise, you'll usually just agree on a finnish, and wing it during the match (although they may agree before hand on some "big" spot to do during the match...such as suplexing your opponent over the top rope)
A wrestling match (unless we're talking undercard jobbers) can be anywhere from 15 minutes to close on an hour...the chances of remembering each and every detail of the match are slim indeed, especially when you're in a great deal of pain and might well be bleeding. What usually happens instead of the wrestlers will run "spots"....they'll get in a position where they're able to talk to each other without it being noticed (say a sleeper hold, or a quick whisper as you whip a guy out of a corner), and arrange what to do next.
This allows the wrestlers to not only pace the match according to how into it the crowd seem to be, but also to improvise according to their condition as the match progresses.
....to address the issue of how matches are run...some wrestlers do feel the need to go through every step of the match with their opponent. This will almost always be done if it's the first time you've wrestled someone, or if you haven't been in the ring with them for a long time. Otherwise, you'll usually just agree on a finnish, and wing it during the match (although they may agree before hand on some "big" spot to do during the match...such as suplexing your opponent over the top rope)
A wrestling match (unless we're talking undercard jobbers) can be anywhere from 15 minutes to close on an hour...the chances of remembering each and every detail of the match are slim indeed, especially when you're in a great deal of pain and might well be bleeding. What usually happens instead of the wrestlers will run "spots"....they'll get in a position where they're able to talk to each other without it being noticed (say a sleeper hold, or a quick whisper as you whip a guy out of a corner), and arrange what to do next.
This allows the wrestlers to not only pace the match according to how into it the crowd seem to be, but also to improvise according to their condition as the match progresses.
He's gone..That's too bad I was enjoying it..This 6 Horsemen deal is starting to be fun.. 
Well...I do beg your leave (not his, just yours) if I seemed to be overreacting...but whether he likes to admit it or not he DID insult the sport of professional wrestling, and continued to do so...I'm fed up having to deal with the same ridiculous arguements over and over.
I don't believe someone who doesn't like wrestling should be posting here...it's not a debate on the ups and downs of being a wrestling fan, it's a thread about current events and developments in the wrestling world, not an excuse to set up our interests and hobbies as target practice.
Let that be a warning to other would be posters....if you've got questions or opinions, you're welcome to share them. Stupid comments, designed just to get a rise out of us, aren't going to be taken very kindly. If you want to start a debate about whether wrestling is good or not, start your own thread...that's not what this topic is for.
I don't believe someone who doesn't like wrestling should be posting here...it's not a debate on the ups and downs of being a wrestling fan, it's a thread about current events and developments in the wrestling world, not an excuse to set up our interests and hobbies as target practice.
Let that be a warning to other would be posters....if you've got questions or opinions, you're welcome to share them. Stupid comments, designed just to get a rise out of us, aren't going to be taken very kindly. If you want to start a debate about whether wrestling is good or not, start your own thread...that's not what this topic is for.
You don't have to beg my leave Sera. If I was you I would have reacted the exact same way. You're actually sweating and suffering to be a wrestler. I wouldn't let some Dink down my dream either. I wanted to let loose a little too, but I've found that if I remain unperturbable it bothers people in a way that insults don't...
It works for me anyway, coming at someone from a different angle with the same basic point quickly mows down all opposition...
It works for me anyway, coming at someone from a different angle with the same basic point quickly mows down all opposition...
Lance Storm has gone on and left the WWE. I really didn't like him too much, as most fans didn't, but thought he was good enough to accieve a title. I think a dream match for me would be Triple H vs. Lesnar, Eddie vs. Jericho, Orton vs. Cena, Jericho vs. Benoit, Hogan vs. Randy Savage (both old. they can have an altheimers match!) Undertaker vs. Kane (yes, it's been done many times, but I've never seen one of their matches except for when they were a tag-team) Shawn Michaels vs. Mick Foley, The Rock vs. Shawn Michaels, Benoit vs. Eddie and that's about it.
alright, I don't know how I did it, but I missed about three or four pages of an arguement with a dingbat. I hope he doesn't come back
Lance Storm really could have been something special if they'd used him right...although he was booked in lame storyline after lame storyline, and given lame gimmick after lame gimmick, he was still one of the best technical wrestlers in the US, and if they'd actually made an attempt to get him over (he's actually a very charismatic and funny guy, they just made him act downright robotic because of his gimmick), he could have been a create upper midcarder.
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hehehe...
When I first read this, Talon was standing over my shoulder, and I was reading your post to him and, when coming to this match, I said "Benoit vs Eddie would make you..."...um...probably shouldn't say it....anyway, it was rude, but funny
probably..... 
I don't know why Benoit ever left Smackdown, probably because they expected Lesnar to be champ for awhile and Benoit couldn't beat Lesnar and they thought his chance to become champion was on Raw. You think he would ever retire after this run? He's been around a lot longer than Taker, but you call Taker over the hill
I don't know why Benoit ever left Smackdown, probably because they expected Lesnar to be champ for awhile and Benoit couldn't beat Lesnar and they thought his chance to become champion was on Raw. You think he would ever retire after this run? He's been around a lot longer than Taker, but you call Taker over the hill
Benoit vs. Eddie is what it takes,eh? 
I'd like to see John Cena vs. Jericho. I think that would be a hell of a match..
I'd like to see John Cena vs. Jericho. I think that would be a hell of a match..
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| You think he would ever retire after this run? He's been around a lot longer than Taker, but you call Taker over the hill |
For a start, Benoit is 35 or 36...Taker is in his forties. Second, Benoit is in better shape than most guys half his age, and is likely to keep being in amazing shape for years to come. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still able to pull out a good match when he's on his way towards 50.
The only problem Benoit might have is his spine...but it's not in as bad shape as Stone Cold's or Kurt's, so as long as he sticks to his ground based style and doesn't do anything super-stupid, he should be fine.
As for Benoit moving to RAW...at the time he did move, the talent gulf between the two shows was massive. Smackdown had Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Eddie and lots of other great wrestlers at the helm, while RAW really only had Shawn Michaels in the limelight dragging the occasional good match out of Triple H, with the only really talanted people (Jericho and Christian for example) stuck on the midcard. Benoit likely migrated to address this talent gulf.
It did obviously create a few problems when Brock left, Kurt got injured, and the writing team started smoking crack.
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Sometimes, Chris Jericho managed all by his lonesome
Eddie and a few other motions....anyway, I've always thought Raw had the biggest names, Rock, Goldberg, Stone Cold, Triple H, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels, Scott Steiner, Chris Jericho, even Undertaker at the beginning, but Taker followed when Lesnar was moved to Smackdown as their permanent champ. Eddie wasn't a big name then. It was just Angle, Taker and Lesnar, maybe Big Show, but that's it. It almost seem like for a whole year but the only good rivalry on Smackdown was Big Show vs. Angle vs. Lesnar. They made Taker spar with the up and coming Cena, F.B.I. and Rikishi. Hey, Taker did make another person famous: John Cena. Right after his feud with Taker, he became a big shot. Now, there's only Eddie, Taker and Cena on Smackdown as the big names. Since Jericho didn't win the #1 contender spot, he should move to Smackdown. Maybe I got it all wrong.
OK Saucy. You have sources here in the states, maybe you can tell me what happened to Russ Haas,which was the original question before Phenomenon came on flaming..
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| I've always thought Raw had the biggest names, Rock, Goldberg, Stone Cold, Triple H, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels, Scott Steiner, Chris Jericho, even Undertaker at the beginning |
Perhaps....but of those names, Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho are the only really good wrestlers, and the Rock and Austin are the only one with any long term drawing power
(and then only when wrestling...which he really didn't do much of after the brand extension given he first walked out on the company, then came back only to do one match before his injuries caught up with him). In the early days of the brand extension RAW was utterly floundering...the ratings were horrible (one of the reasons was, granted, the show just didn't use the talent it had) while Smackdown was getting great ratings because it had the far greater potential to put on great matches. People were actually tuning in to see Brock vs Kurt, or the cruiserweight division (one of the reasons Smackdown sucks now is the huge focus they've taken off the cruiserweights)...they were not tuning in to see Triple H simulate sex with a dummy.
Having Paul Heyman on Smackdown helped too.
The balance is way off now though...as far as outright in ring talent goes, Eddie's carrying the torch on his own in the main event scene. Soiling the world title scene with crap like Bradshaw doesn't help either...Cena's entertaining as hell, but he's not a great wrestler yet, and still has a lot to learn...they really need some help. Fortunately, a heel Booker T would be a welcome addition to the main event scene right now, so let's cross our fingers for that.
You may not agree with me on this on, but I believe the only reason why Smackdown got good ratings in the beginning was because of Hulk Hogan!
lol...one thing Hulk Hogan had was star power...in fact, that's not "one thing" he had, it's the only thing he had. And he didn't have any more star power at that time (in fact, I think he had significantly less) than Stone Cold Steve Austin or the Rock....Hogan was over because of nostalgia, nothing more, which was plane to see when the fans turned on him and lost interest when the Mr America gimmick reminded them all how lame he was.
Smackdown was good because it put on good matches....Hulk Hogan had mercifully little air time, and crediting him for the show's early success would be like crediting a single chocolate chip for a really good cookie (needless to say, this particular chip was kinda stale and mouldy). Whatever people saw in Smackdown that made them tune in week after week, it certainly wasn't two minutes of Hulk Hogan. The formulae of placing matches over backstage skits simply appealed to the fans, and made a strong show that made money...the opposite formulae was in effect on RAW, and resulted in a crap show that lost money.
The opposite is true now...RAW places an emphasis on wrestling over skits, and is the stronger show (although not as strong as Smackdown was at one time), while Smackdown uses more skits and angles, and so is floundering.
Smackdown was good because it put on good matches....Hulk Hogan had mercifully little air time, and crediting him for the show's early success would be like crediting a single chocolate chip for a really good cookie (needless to say, this particular chip was kinda stale and mouldy). Whatever people saw in Smackdown that made them tune in week after week, it certainly wasn't two minutes of Hulk Hogan. The formulae of placing matches over backstage skits simply appealed to the fans, and made a strong show that made money...the opposite formulae was in effect on RAW, and resulted in a crap show that lost money.
The opposite is true now...RAW places an emphasis on wrestling over skits, and is the stronger show (although not as strong as Smackdown was at one time), while Smackdown uses more skits and angles, and so is floundering.
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| Yes, this is true...and we shall hate Goldberg eternally for it Bret now has a concussion that's going to keep him out of the ring for the rest of his life; he can't find his way from one apron to the other anymore, so any further work he does in the industry is going to be strictly as a manager. |
good old goldberg, so caring, never thinking about himself...
man, i would've had some fun with that phenom guy, too bad i can only post while i'm at work. seraphina is probably asleep right now
. it's true about raw though, but even when it was sucking i always showed some weird devotion to it. stuck with it when nitro was kicking the crap out of it (because i just KNEW that it would come out on top eventually), but it made them put on one hell of a show when they knew they had competition. that's why i liked the brand extension idea at first, because i figured having the two shows with completely exclusive talent would motivate them to try and one up each other. it just ended up having one show suck, which show that is seems to change every few months.
Yeah, hitting him from 3 sides would have been fun!! You're right about the shows getting bad off and on, but overall I feel RAW holds up better than Smackdown on a wek to week basis..
You're right about the shows getting bad off and on, but overall I feel RAW holds up better than Smackdown on a wek to week basis..
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| seraphina is probably asleep right now |
Sleep is for the weak. I need it not.
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....I'm sorry, that's a lie....it's only 8.
But yes, the brand extension was a good idea in theory...it looked like it would force the WWE to use its talent more efficiently, and to build more stars for the future. So far as I've seen, the only people who've been successfully built up since that time were Brock Lesnar...which was thanks entirerly to his own skills, and Paul Heyman's amazing job as his manager rather than any effort by the booking team...John Cena, who's mic skills got him over rather than any effort by the booking team...and Eddie Guererro, who got over for the same reason Cena did: He was just too damn charistmatic for the fans not to love and cheer him, and the WWE jumped on the bandwagan...Vince was even quoted as saying several months previously that Eddie was "too small" to make it in the ring. His success had nothing to do with them trying to "build him up".
Other guys like Matt Hardy...phenominal young wrestler...managed to make something of his career on his own merits. While the WWE insisted on pushing his deadweight brother, despite the fact that Jeff proved himself to be absolutely hopeless without his brother to carry him, Matt was the only that grabbed the ball, kicked in the door, and ran like hell with it. He got himself over thanks to his charisma and mic skills (on a sidenote, he's much prettier than Jeff anyway...I never understood why people marked out for Jeff in the first place) even though the WWE did almost nothing with him. His eventual rise through the ranks was because of his own work, not the writing team's.
Then, of course, they managed to drop the ball completely by making him do the job clean to Long John Silver, aka Zach Gowan
With the possible exception of Christian, I can't think of a single guy on RAW who's been built up properly....Randy Orton has managed to recieve a huge push, but unlike say...John Cena's....it's earned him alot of resentment, as people claim he's not ready, and there certainly is a feeling that, as much as I like the guy, they're more shoving Randy down our throats than making an actual effort to build him up in a credible way...the writing board are under the impression people will cheer whatever's put in front of them, rather than appreciate good, hard work (which the facts show they actually DO appreciate).
Anyway, point was that the origonal idea of the brand extension didn't work...it just gave RAW the chance to turn into the Triple H show, and smackdown to blossom very briefly until it turned into the Hulk Hogan vs McMahon show
There was nothing very new added to the mix by it, and now a couple of years on almost nobody has moved either up or down the card at all.
Sorry Falco, my sources have no info! I've never even heard of him.
Ok...it seems you need to be informed about Russ Haas...He was Charlie Haas' brother and died of a heart attack a few months before they were supposed to make their debut in the WWE I think...They did wrestle together as a tag team for a few years...Their hard work was about to pay off...it was very unfortunate...
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| Randy Orton has managed to recieve a huge push, but unlike say...John Cena's....it's earned him alot of resentment, as people claim he's not ready, and there certainly is a feeling that, as much as I like the guy, they're more shoving Randy down our throats than making an actual effort to build him up in a credible way |
because we all know what happens when at first you only push him as a third generation face (ahem, rocky miavia? with that streamer-y crap they made him put around his neck? what were they THINKING?). people couldn't have cared less about rocky miavia until he shed that gimmick and started up with the trash talking smartass that we currently love. i think the same happened/is happening with randy orton. if his work on the mic picks up, and if there's a god, i predict a world title on his shoulder in two years, flat. before batista came along in evolution, they had kind of a past/present/future thing going that i liked a lot. ric flair ran on top for a while, triple h is on top now, randy orton in a few years. i love batista too though, god i have never seen anyone that well proportioned (but still, for a big man, relatively quick) at 315 pounds.
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| Anyway, point was that the origonal idea of the brand extension didn't work...it just gave RAW the chance to turn into the Triple H show, and smackdown to blossom very briefly until it turned into the Hulk Hogan vs McMahon show |
i never understood why vince felt the need to book himself into the shows. especially after they saw how horribly it worked for vince "my past success is the only reason i'm still employed" russo. on a similiar vein, i thought brock destroying hogan and wiping hogan's blood on his chest was AWESOME. the destroying hogan alone would've been good enough for me, but the blood on the chest made him look inhuman .
I liked Brock Lesner when he first came into the WWE as the next big thing, when he was F-5ing guys like Mark Henry and Rikishi something that you never really see, but then he started talking for himself and god damn his voice is so annoying
i live about an hour and a half south of seattle, so of course i went to wrestlemania 19. that shooting star press he tried was just crazy talk man, here's how it went:
he climbs the ropes, i stand up, very interested in the idea of a guy that's 285 pounds up on the top rope.
he jumps, starts the backflip, i actually say "oh my god.." out loud.
i see him come down on his damn head, then after i see that he's okay i wonder if he'd ever actually tried that before.
he climbs the ropes, i stand up, very interested in the idea of a guy that's 285 pounds up on the top rope.
he jumps, starts the backflip, i actually say "oh my god.." out loud.
i see him come down on his damn head, then after i see that he's okay i wonder if he'd ever actually tried that before.
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| i see him come down on his damn head, then after i see that he's okay i wonder if he'd ever actually tried that before. |
The shooting star press was his finnisher in OVW...the reason he didn't hit it on Kurt was his foot slipped when he made the leap. Two things are actually amazing about it though....one was he still made it a legitimate twenty or twenty five feet across the ring in that flip, and the other was that he came down with almost three hundred pouds ploughing into his neck, and he got up and continued a five star match after it
That did hound him for the rest of his time there though...his neck was never 100% again and, quite frankly, it's a miracle he wasn't killed in the impact. If his neck wasn't as well muscled as it was, he probably would have been (we ARE talking about Brock Lesnar mind...a guy who got in a boating accident when a motor boat's propelar hit his leg...and snapped...the damn PROPELER snapped!!!
)Anyway, on to what I missed...
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The difference between the two, however, is that the Rock's push was a very gradual one, and it was initiated because his own charisma and...really quite frightening mic skills
...got the people behind him, and the WWE reacted to the obvious fact that he had the potential to draw crowds. His push was a success because it was based on the fact the fans wanted it to happened before it did.The problem Randy has is that his push was the result of simply being "put there"...when he first starting getting shoved into both evolution and the upper midcard, nobody knew who he was, and the WWE simply expected him to get over because of where he was, and perhaps who his father was...compair his current situation to John Cena, who arrived about the same time, and is yet infinately more over than Randy because he got over for himself. Cena's push was, again, the result of the WWE having no choice but to push him because of the reaction he recieved from the crowd (much like Eddie's)...which has been seen to be the best way to run the company.
Simply placing a guy high up the card and pushing him usually leaves some fans feeling they're having a guy shoved down their throats. Make no mistake though, I like Randy....for his age, he's damn impressive in the ring...he's no Brock Lesnar, but he's still well above what you'd expect from a guy in his early to mid twenties (mic work leaves a little to be desired, but he'll get better) but he still does make quite a few rookie mistakes now and then, and I don't think he's ready for quite as much exposure as he's getting. The WWE seem to have realised this, and toned down quite as much air time as he gets.
I think guys like Randy Orton and John Cena have a lot of potential...in fact, I think they're going to be the Shawn Michaels and Rock of their generation respectivly...however, there's an emphasis on future stars, and there still is a lot to be learned by both of them.
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| but then he started talking for himself and god damn his voice is so annoying |
The first time Brock spoke, I think it was in a promo against Randy Orton...Paul was doing his thing flaying Orton, when Brock stopped him and...wow...he just sounded like a three hundred pound baby
As time went on though, his mic work really did pick up...towards the end of his stint in the WWE, his promos were actually quite good...I really liked his "psycho" promos after he tapped out to Kurt
has anyone seen Smackdown yet I don't know if I should talk about it if nobodys seen it
I saw the first half and taped the rest,so I probably shouldn't go into it before I've watched it all..
I don't get what's so great about wrestling...to me it's just people beating up other people...
Here we go again. 
What's not great about watching people beat each other up? Especially since usually nobody gets seriously hurt. Add in the Soap-Opera like Drama,and the sheer skill it takes for these men and women to pull of the moves they do, and you've got Entertainment. Think of it as a highly Stylized Martial-Art mixed with Theatre. Almost like Chinese Wu-Shu..
There's many other factors involved in enjoying it too, but I like to keep my posts short..
I guess you either get it or you don't..You're just lucky it's me here and not Seraphina..
What's not great about watching people beat each other up? Especially since usually nobody gets seriously hurt. Add in the Soap-Opera like Drama,and the sheer skill it takes for these men and women to pull of the moves they do, and you've got Entertainment. Think of it as a highly Stylized Martial-Art mixed with Theatre. Almost like Chinese Wu-Shu..There's many other factors involved in enjoying it too, but I like to keep my posts short..
I guess you either get it or you don't..You're just lucky it's me here and not Seraphina..
Sera IS here But I'll let it slide...at least she just said she "didn't see" what was good about it, instead of actually coming in and insulting it
Whisper9, it's best that you think of wrestling in much the same you do you the theatre...it's a performance based mode of entertainment, only with more of a focus on physical action than dialogue. Many millions of people around the globe tune in to watch football...I consider that a very tame, dull, and repetative sport, not worthy of ninty minutes of my life...wrestling is fast paced, emotinal, and has involving characters and plots that keep you interested.
There's no real accounting for taste, but I promise you that wrestling is something almost everyone who takes the time to try and get into it comes to love
Anyway, as for Smackdown...I won't be seeing it until Saturday, so if you want to talk about it, try and keep the spoilers to a minimum
But I'll let it slide...at least she just said she "didn't see" what was good about it, instead of actually coming in and insulting it Whisper9, it's best that you think of wrestling in much the same you do you the theatre...it's a performance based mode of entertainment, only with more of a focus on physical action than dialogue. Many millions of people around the globe tune in to watch football...I consider that a very tame, dull, and repetative sport, not worthy of ninty minutes of my life...wrestling is fast paced, emotinal, and has involving characters and plots that keep you interested.
There's no real accounting for taste, but I promise you that wrestling is something almost everyone who takes the time to try and get into it comes to love
Anyway, as for Smackdown...I won't be seeing it until Saturday, so if you want to talk about it, try and keep the spoilers to a minimum
Smackdown! Spoiler
Alright, I saw Smackdown and here's went down. I thought it was a slightly better show this week, even though Taker wasn't there
Mordeki was there and my first impression of him was He wiped out two guys in under a minute. His match (wasn't really a match, he came to the ring and took out Billy Kidman and that one japanese guy that always hung around Tajiri, where were about to have a match) lasted quicker than it took him to walk down the ramp and I thought he was amazing. I know, this makes him a hoss, but he showed amazing bouts of strength. He was the surprise in the evening. Another surprise was Chavo Classic winning the Cruiser title. It was chavo vs. chavo vs. Spike. The match was okay, but Chavo was lying on the ground and Chavo classic went to take out Spike (most of the match was a two on one match) and Spike drop-kicked him and he landed on his son. As Chavo classic went to get up, the ref counted the three as a pin. Interesting, but you could almost tell they were setting that up. Booker T got on the mic and accused Paul Bearer of switching the voodoo bag during the pay-per-view and wanted a match vs. Taker, but Kurt said Taker wasn't there and he could have whatever match he wanted, so he chose a match vs. Funaki, who punked out Booker T! It was funny. Through the match, the crowd was chanting for Taker, but he never came and Booker T won the match.
The yawn of the night was what seems to be the set up for another month of Bradshaw and Eddie. The main event was going to be RVD, Rey Mysterio and Eddie vs. The Dudley Boyz and Bradshaw. Eddie got attacked in the back stage and couldn't wrestle, but Kurt ordered him to come out and fight and to stop faking his injuries. Whether or not he came out to assist his other tag partners, I don't know because I turned off the TV at this point. It was turning out to be the same thing, RVD and Rey are struggling and oh wait, here come Eddie Guerrero down the ramp. That's amazing, how did he do it! I believe the WWE has, for at least the last couple of years, been having WAY TOO MANY tag matches. I'd rather see a good triple threat or a one on one match. Seems like every main event is a tag match and you always have the tag champions wrestling either with or without the titles on the line. *sigh* Speaking of tag champions, Rico and Haas took on the F.B.I. You know smackdown is low on wrestlers when they're using those bums. That's my take on Smackdown.
Alright, I saw Smackdown and here's went down. I thought it was a slightly better show this week, even though Taker wasn't there
Mordeki was there and my first impression of him was
He wiped out two guys in under a minute. His match (wasn't really a match, he came to the ring and took out Billy Kidman and that one japanese guy that always hung around Tajiri, where were about to have a match) lasted quicker than it took him to walk down the ramp and I thought he was amazing. I know, this makes him a hoss, but he showed amazing bouts of strength. He was the surprise in the evening. Another surprise was Chavo Classic winning the Cruiser title. It was chavo vs. chavo vs. Spike. The match was okay, but Chavo was lying on the ground and Chavo classic went to take out Spike (most of the match was a two on one match) and Spike drop-kicked him and he landed on his son. As Chavo classic went to get up, the ref counted the three as a pin. Interesting, but you could almost tell they were setting that up. Booker T got on the mic and accused Paul Bearer of switching the voodoo bag during the pay-per-view and wanted a match vs. Taker, but Kurt said Taker wasn't there and he could have whatever match he wanted, so he chose a match vs. Funaki, who punked out Booker T! It was funny. Through the match, the crowd was chanting for Taker, but he never came and Booker T won the match. The yawn of the night was what seems to be the set up for another month of Bradshaw and Eddie. The main event was going to be RVD, Rey Mysterio and Eddie vs. The Dudley Boyz and Bradshaw. Eddie got attacked in the back stage and couldn't wrestle, but Kurt ordered him to come out and fight and to stop faking his injuries. Whether or not he came out to assist his other tag partners, I don't know because I turned off the TV at this point. It was turning out to be the same thing, RVD and Rey are struggling and oh wait, here come Eddie Guerrero down the ramp. That's amazing, how did he do it! I believe the WWE has, for at least the last couple of years, been having WAY TOO MANY tag matches. I'd rather see a good triple threat or a one on one match. Seems like every main event is a tag match and you always have the tag champions wrestling either with or without the titles on the line. *sigh* Speaking of tag champions, Rico and Haas took on the F.B.I. You know smackdown is low on wrestlers when they're using those bums. That's my take on Smackdown.
Well, there goes my request for holding off the spolers....oh well, dun matter
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| His match (wasn't really a match, he came to the ring and took out Billy Kidman and that one japanese guy that always hung around Tajiri, where were about to have a match) lasted quicker than it took him to walk down the ramp and I thought he was amazing. I know, this makes him a hoss, but he showed amazing bouts of strength. |
You can put ANYONE in the ring with those two and they'll look good...I'm still very hesitant about Mordeki....I'll have to see how he performs in the ring myself, but what you described sounds to me like the WWE, once again, using a talented (or in this case two talented) cruiserweights to carry a big guy and get him over.
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| Another surprise was Chavo Classic winning the Cruiser title. It was chavo vs. chavo vs. Spike. |
lol...well I...suppose it's better than Jaqueline
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| I believe the WWE has, for at least the last couple of years, been having WAY TOO MANY tag matches. |
While I also prefer singles competition by far, there is method to the madness...putting people in tag team matches (especially fueding pairs on opposite teams) saves off the one on one confrontation that the company should be saving for the pay-per-veiw. If you remember back to the fued between the Rock and Triple H/McMahon-Helmsley faction....that managed to stay fresh for almost half a year, without Triple H and the Rock EVER locking up in a one on one match outside of a pay-per-veiw
It's the same system I use for my booker sims...the pay-per-veiw match will draw better if the fans have been waiting to see it, rather than having seen the two guys fighting on smackdown in the same week.
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| You know smackdown is low on wrestlers when they're using those bums. |
You mean Nunzio? The really charistmatic and athletic cruiserweight that I'd love to see turn face and fued with Chavo instead of the uber-repetative Rey Mysterio?
Sorry Seraphina. I didn't see your request so I won't do anymore spoilers. I promise 
lol...it doesn't matter....truth to tell, I haven't been going out of my way to watch Smackdown lately anyway. The show's horribly weak right now, and has been since they started pushing Bradshaw. So long as that push continues, and takes up as much air time as it does, Smackdown's likely to stay weak.
Right now, more than half the air time is being given over to either Bradshaw, or Torrie Wilson...neither of whom are charismatic or convincing actors. Storylines involving these two are completely overshadowing any other fued on the card (not that I cared very much about Chavo vs Jacqueline), and really robbing them of any potential heat.
RAW's a much brighter picture right now, and I really am tempted to just go into hiding on the smackdown front until Bradshaw gets out of my main event. On the other hand, since I'm able to average ratings of 7.40 to 8.00 in my WWE booker sims, maybe the other horsemen and I should go to the WWE, assassinate the writing team. and set ourselves up in their place....not like Vince could tell the difference and the locker room would probably hail us as heroes!
Right now, more than half the air time is being given over to either Bradshaw, or Torrie Wilson...neither of whom are charismatic or convincing actors. Storylines involving these two are completely overshadowing any other fued on the card (not that I cared very much about Chavo vs Jacqueline), and really robbing them of any potential heat.
RAW's a much brighter picture right now, and I really am tempted to just go into hiding on the smackdown front until Bradshaw gets out of my main event. On the other hand, since I'm able to average ratings of 7.40 to 8.00 in my WWE booker sims, maybe the other horsemen and I should go to the WWE, assassinate the writing team. and set ourselves up in their place....not like Vince could tell the difference
and the locker room would probably hail us as heroes!
If Vince Russo is still around I have an Icepick with his name on it..
Oh yeah, and leave Stephanie to me too...heh-heh...
Oh yeah, and leave Stephanie to me too...heh-heh...
OoOoO, we have a new venue in the hobbies thread 
Anyway....Russo isn't on the writing team anymore...hasn't been for a long time. He's now the on-camera version of Eric Bishov over on NWA:TNA (which, as much as the smarks mark out for it, is just WCW revisited). I'm informed he's stinking up the air waves over there.
On the subject of TNA, as much as they have amazing wrestlers like AJ Styles, Jerry Lynn, and the occassional popping up of Steve Corino...they don't actually make any better a job using their talent than the WWE does/did. Any company that builds its main event scene around Raven is just...kinda sad.
Anyway....Russo isn't on the writing team anymore...hasn't been for a long time. He's now the on-camera version of Eric Bishov over on NWA:TNA (which, as much as the smarks mark out for it, is just WCW revisited). I'm informed he's stinking up the air waves over there.
On the subject of TNA, as much as they have amazing wrestlers like AJ Styles, Jerry Lynn, and the occassional popping up of Steve Corino...they don't actually make any better a job using their talent than the WWE does/did. Any company that builds its main event scene around Raven is just...kinda sad.
um...is Chavo Classic even under 220 pounds for him to win the Cruiserweight title
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| um...is Chavo Classic even under 220 pounds for him to win the Cruiserweight title |
Thought had occured to me too....I don't think he is to be perfectly honest. If they're trying to sell him off as being less than that, then they really need to put him on the treadmill for a few hours first
Ya I though that was pretty stupid, but theres a positive side to everything, like maybe him and his son will have a good feud...maybe.Or a positive to watching Smackdown(though it might not be that good) you Eddie or John Cena.Another example is JBL-Negative:nobody likes him cause he sux Positive:uh....um...got a nice limo...see positive for everything lol 
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| Ya I though that was pretty stupid, but theres a positive side to everything, like maybe him and his son will have a good feud...maybe.Or a positive to watching Smackdown(though it might not be that good) you Eddie or John Cena.Another example is JBL-Negative:nobody likes him cause he sux Positive:uh....um...got a nice limo...see positive for everything lol |
Yeah JBL loves himself coz he was on the news he was better much better by far as bradshaw.
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| Yeah JBL loves himself coz he was on the news he was better much better by far as bradshaw. |
To be fair, its the WWE writing team who's pushing him, but your probably right about the ego trip considering he couldn't wait for Simmons to leave to end the tag team (although NoDQ rumurs Simmons will be back in two months). WWE probably things, 'he's been on tv, people associate him with wrestling, lets make him the next Hulk Hogan!!
' Its kinda sad that they can't get over the fact that most over people are not Hosses.And yeah... at least when he hard the beard and drank he had a decent gimmic, if no talent
Edit: Did I say 'decent'?
I meant passable.
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| Any company that builds its main event scene around Raven is just...kinda sad. |
I'm gonna incur Sera's wrath here, but ever since she failed to bring me over to the horsemen I've been doing that anyway. Raven was actually one of my favorite wrestlers back when I was watching ECW/WCW. He may not have been the most skilled guy, and his promos usually left you scratching your head, but I was usually pretty entertained with him. Anyway, at least he's not Vampiro.
Mordecai reminds me of Glacier, he gets a lot of heat before he shows up, and when he finally does, nobody cares. I don't, anyway. He'll be feuding with Orlando Jordan on house shows pretty soon.
Which brings me to the point that Smackdown is completely unwatchable. I haven't finished a show since I started watching wrestling again. I still like the JBL character, but he'd be a much better manager, and as many matches as I've seen him in, he may as well be one. I'm really glad to see Eddie Guerrerro as champion, but why with all the other, better wrestlers on the roster is he going up against Bradshaw? All in all I think I'd rather be watching the food network.
I liked Raven too as long as there was a Hardcore division for him to fight in.The shopping cart of doom was fun..He kind of lost it when he had to get back to regular matches.
After watching Mordecai almost fall down twice when he was supposed to be wrestling I've found another reason to gag when Smackdown comes on. I realize I'm part of the problem since I still watch it every week, but I still want to believe it will improve soon..
Seeing Rico and Charlie blow through their latest disposable opponents was fun, but I think that Smackdowns tag-team division could use some outside help.
I'd like to see Vince hire some established tag-teams that used to work in other Feds. There's plenty of good ones out there and it would probably work out better than sticking two random mid-carders together to form a team..
After watching Mordecai almost fall down twice when he was supposed to be wrestling I've found another reason to gag when Smackdown comes on. I realize I'm part of the problem since I still watch it every week, but I still want to believe it will improve soon..
Seeing Rico and Charlie blow through their latest disposable opponents was fun, but I think that Smackdowns tag-team division could use some outside help.
I'd like to see Vince hire some established tag-teams that used to work in other Feds. There's plenty of good ones out there and it would probably work out better than sticking two random mid-carders together to form a team..
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| Raven was actually one of my favorite wrestlers back when I was watching ECW/WCW. |
Yeah, buts thats because Paul Heyman could take Bungoo from Rainbow and make him look good
... maybe not
But lets face it, Heyman at the head of the booking team was like putting Scott Hall at the head of clearing the local pub of its assests. He got the job done
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| I'd like to see Vince hire some established tag-teams that used to work in other Feds. |
Considering that the established tag teams are spread between both shows (and the RAW devision's tag team division is a joke) maybe only Smackdown should have tag titles, and consentrate all the established teams there.
Yeah, whenever you see the Heavyweight champ and some random partner holding the tag belts you know the division is weak. Raw could probably stand to lose it..
Still, there's some old teams that I miss seeing, like Danny Doring and Roadkill. I find the whole concept of an Amish wrestler wildly entertaining..
Still, there's some old teams that I miss seeing, like Danny Doring and Roadkill. I find the whole concept of an Amish wrestler wildly entertaining..
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| Raw could probably stand to lose it.. Still, there's some old teams that I miss seeing, like Danny Doring and Roadkill. |
I only watched ECW on occassion, both names are familiar but I can only put a face to Roadkill. You never know, if ECW is reformed Vince may allow Heyman to rehire a lot of ECW guys to fill its ranks...
either that or he'll demand it be headlined by Mark Hendry The latter of which... is most likely
Dude, I agree, Roadkill was a lot of fun to watch. I think the whole brand extension thing sucks, personally. Why bother unifying the titles if you're just gonna separate them again? It makes both titles a little cheaper, especially since you're cutting your talent pool basically in half.
All in all, I really miss ECW.
All in all, I really miss ECW.
I know, i'm biased, but I loved Kane and Taker as tag champs. They were just too good! At least I thought so.
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