The problem with teaming up two mammoths like Taker and Kane is that it doesn't offer any variety of wrestling style to watch and it doesn't look realistic at all when they drop the title to people that look like midgets compared to them..
On the reverse side you've got teams like Rikishi and Scotty 2 Hotty,where the little guy always gets the Holy old Hell beaten out of him and the big guy always has to save him..
Either one can get old fast..

Actually the opposite of Taker/Kane would be TAKA/Funaki being the smallest competators aviable... the joke is TAKA was one hell of a wrestler and Funaki was far more talented than the B of D could ever be.... an how did they end up... erm er ...jobbers!! Well at least Taka went back to Japan and saved his career, but during those years the writting team was committing criminal acts against wrestling by having Kientai loss every week.

Speaking of inexplicable jobbing, I once saw John Cena literally run Chavo Guerrero out of the ring. How in god's name did that happen?

Sunset Beach is off the air?

*dramatic pause*....um...yes....or at least....it was last time I checked...*grabs snuffy by the arms* Wait! You're not telling me it's back!? Say it's gone! It's gone! The nightmare's over! It's oooooveeeeerrrrrrr!

*falls over, assumes the fetal position, and twitches*

No...no Olivia....there's a perfectly rational explanation....yes....yes...that's right...now, let the camera cut to another scene, and come back in ten days...I'll still be here exactly where we left off...yes....rational explanation....that's what I'll say...*twitches*

I've always wondered why Smackdown never had any kind of faction, like evolution on raw. They did for a month or two have all them giants backing Heyman, but none of them are wrestling right now. There's no real powerful heel or a group of heels taking on a powerful face. I don't think there's anyone on Smackdown right now with a powerful name, yes, except for Taker. There is Eddie and he may be talented, but I see him only as a champion of circumstance. Brock wanted to leave for a bit and Taker was out for awhile and Big Show wanted some time off and Angle was injured so they gave eddie the title. Booker T is a big name and may get the title down the road and that's why he was moved to Smackdown so he wasn't competing against a massive list of big names. If Eddie is a good enough champ on Smackdown, then maybe down the road RVD will make champ, but he'll probably be one of the ones who leave for ECW if they ever get that together. Next Smackdown champ: Booker T is my prediction. He's a heel and fueding with taker right now. He'll move on to Eddie and Taker will fued with Mordkei. My predictions for Raw: The whole Triple Threat fued between Michaels, Triple H and Benoit is gonna end. Right now, Kane is #1 contender, but won't win the title because of the wild card, Jeff Hardy's return. Triple H and Shawn Michaels will battle in the hell in the cell match and it might just be the loser has to retire kind of thing and it will spell the end of Michaels, but I don't know about that. All I know is that there will be a hell in the cell match. So, who will take over the champions spot once Benoit's run is over? Well, there's two options. One is gonna be that Benoit will have a lengthy run and be the summer champ. The second option is gonna be that the title will switch over to the Rock. I believe that Raw is buying for some ratings and seeing the title belt over the Rock's shoulder will bring them, plus the added value of the pay-per-view and others which will have an impact on Benoit. Either the fans will turn on Benoit, or they will support him and turn Rock into a heel.

Please, I would love to hear your predictions on the next champ

What the hell was Sunset Beach? Is it some show about lifeguards? I'm sorry, I thought you would have seen right through the thick and crusty sarcasm.

Although I did accidentally watch Friends once. I'm still waiting for when I'm supposed to laugh.

*crawls back the keyboard, pulls herself into her chair, and rubs her eyes until they stop being glazed over*...please...never mention sunset beach again....it was an...*gulps...an American soap opera!....the kind where all the married couples in the show turn out to be the long lost sibling's of their partners, or a seriel murder on the island is in fact the evil twin of one of the main characters...

....*shudders*....it's like the current WWE storylines, only without some good wrestling on the card to counter it.

Anyway...

The reason there aren't any really dominant heel groups on Smackdown is because there are hardly any heels on the show; just as RAW has a shortage of main event level faces (or at least main event level faces they're willing to use), Smackdown has next to no heels at all with any credibility both in and out of the ring, with the exception of Booker T. Smackdown was in the exact same position months ago, and the loss of Brock Lesnar has left the heel to face ration hideously unbalanced indeed.

Eddie's the champ because you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the company more popular. You have to remember he won the title before Brock decided to leave, and before Kurt screwed up his neck (heck, Kurt was the first guy he defended against) I think Eddie's title reign is quite secure...just a pity the company's idea of who a good number one contender is is very unsteady indeed.

I'm replying for the sake of replying.

Okay, just spoke with my WWE source. I got a few things to share. One will make Seraphina happy. The WWE does not want to use Scott Steiner. He has been cleared to return, but the writing team doesn't want to use him. The WWE want to just let his contract run out, but if they were to use him at all, it would be as a heel on Smackdown.

Ted Turner making a come back. His "no compete clause" will end early next year and he's already talking to Goldberg, Austin and Eric Bishoff to join his show.

Another possibility is for Sting to join Turner, but Sting has made it clear he would love to wrestle for the WWE.

Bret Hart will be in the ring before the year is out. He may not wrestle, but it's made clear he will come back to get revenge on Vince and Michaels.

I heard on other sites that Chris Jericho was fired for accidentally giving away the results of a Raw main event, but I doubt that's the case. This rumor is not from my source, but from a site. The same site said that Evolution will break up this week on Raw and Hogan and Rock will be there as well. I don't see any of this happening, so this site is crap unless I see it happen. They also said Taker was released, Shane McMahon was arrested, Goldberg would be on Raw this week, Mordeki would be the next Undertaker and the two would have an inferno match. How Taker could be released and wrestle in an inferno match is beyond me. Maybe they keep making up crap to draw people to the site.

Mordeci and Taker will indeed have a rivilry this summer.

WWE says Taker is the leader of the Smackdown the same as Triple H is the leader of Raw and some people in the writing department fear that Taker will roll though the heels, leaving no room for the heels to build, just like Booker T is now. They feel a fued with Mordeki would not let him grow as a character.

wow, that's a lot of rumours to address...some of them are a fine example of why I never put much stock in rumours too

Well in the case of Scott Steiner, I say send him over to Smackdown as a heel, plus he can bring starpower over there

Hey Sera-One, how hard would I have to work up my reputation with you to get one of those seals of the horsemen?

Ummm Saucy? All of us but one are either Atheists or severely skeptical. And our Catholic member is only in because he clearly enjoys spreading Evil and Chaos. Does that really sound like your kinda thing?

hey, it's all in good fun! Besides, you wouldn't know what the horsemen of the apocolypse was without the bible!

It is fun. But since you seem to be debating against at least one of us on every thread it kinda goes against the whole "group" concept. Still, it's up to Sera, if she wants you in it's all good..

hey, no more fighting. I just want to be part of the group. If you haven't noticed, I've been refraining from those kind of arguements. Anyway, we're all friends (no arguements here) when it comes to wrestling. If believeing in God doesn't qualify me to be a member, that's fine, but I was just asking.

Anyway, Ron Simmons will be back in a month. Let's discuss good heel candidates to move to Smackdown. I think Kane would look good on Smackdown. If Steiner were to come back, he would be a good smackdown mid-carder. I think Benoit should go heel, lose the title and move back to Smackdown.

Also, Sera, what's this booker sim you keep talking about? Seems interesting

I'd like to see Batista move to Smackdown. He really doesn't have much to do in Evolution, and whatever talent he may have gets eclipsed by HHH and Randy Orton..He's big, fast, and intense and he might make a good Monster heel if his character gets developed a little and he polishes his technical skill. I don't think any of that will happen as part of a group though..

Well I said Steiner but maybe HBK heel to smackdown it's long shot but you never know

Seen Smackdown... seen better.

Although one thing worth noting which I saw was that, did anyone notice what their was actually a lot of crowd reaction to Mordickai when he came out, however it was killed because of the length of time it took him to get to the ring.

It was like "Yeaaaaaaaaaahhh Mordickai! Kick some *ss! Booooo!" 5 minutes later "...GET IN THE RING!"

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While this guy is clearly a smark of the worst kind, gotta love the sarcasm

My sides were hurting!..

At least until I saw the Droz parody..

I agree, that one was in very poor taste...the rest were fine though

There does seem to be a trend among smarks to be a little too good at making fun of things. Very few of them know where to draw the line either....one of the reasons that, although I'm as purist a fan as they come, I consider being called a smark pretty offensive

Ok, I promise to never call you a smark. Now to reveal some ignorance, could you tell me what a smark is?

lol, smark is short for "smart mark" (I believe the coined the phrase themselves)...they're a group of elitist fans, bred by the internet, that are notoriously difficult to please, and spend a lot of time hating everything the WWE says or does. They're people who, to me at least, seem far more interested in trying to find things they hate rather than focusing on what IS actually entertaining.

I'm not a smark...nononono...while I do think the WWE has lots....and lots...of room for improvement, I do think they're doing some things right (Benoit and Eddie as champions, getting Nick Dinsmore over, building up future stars in the form of John Cena etc). While I'm not shy about pointing out what I dislike, I watch the shows because I enjoy them, not so I can find something to bitch about in some online column

Smarks are actually much despised by wrestlers and common fans alike. To be honest, they're the kind of fan that, even if the WWE took on board everything they wanted to see happen, they'd probably still find something to complain about.

"Phew"! I thought I might have been one for a moment. I do complain a lot on this thread, but overall I enjoy the WWE and I enjoy most of it, Smackdowns current problems non-withstanding. I just try to keep in mind that they've gone through bad stages before and they've eventually improved each time....
So, what do you think about a Bradshaw vs. Mordecai feud to improve ratings?

Kidding..Just Kidding

I'm unsure about Mordecai just now.. The way you described him from the PPV wasn't glowing. Although as Talon mentioned the crowd did pop for him on Smackdown(at least during the first 20 minutes it took for him to get to the ring).
Then I saw him miss giving a simple punch by a mile; do an extremely awkward clothesline; and almost trip turning around to face the second opponent..
It was only his second time out, so maybe he was just nervous though. The uber-religious guy schtick usually generates mediocre heat at best though, so maybe they should tone the image down just a bit..

Mordeki is likely to get bashed for me for many reasons....

1) He seems to be absolutely clueless in the ring. I've got no time for people being on telivision who simply lack the talent to be there. He should either go back to OVW and learn to wrestle, or rethink his career.

2) His gimmick, appearance, and finnisher were all stolen from my trainer Who he met in OVW a year or so back...many a Sunday (not today, as I'm not feeling well) has been spent flaying Mordeki for this, and I'm sure there are many more to come.

Well since I'm stuck here until noon, I'd like to invite anyone on the board to post thoughts,comments,or start a debate on wrestling..
You've got a Literally "captive" audience..

well, maybe the WWE hasn't given mordeci the chance to show what skills he may have. They're just trying to show him as someone who's powerful (powerful enough to be good enough to take out taker perhaps?). They're just trying to increase his popularity by makind him take out wrestlers as quickly as possible.

As for the sim, I would love to download the free one, but if it runs out in a few days, there's no reason to get addicted to something that I couldn't afford

I have an idea that might sound either cool or corny, depends on how you think of it. Here on the hobbies board, we can create our own threads and hold our own WWE shows. We can compete with each other, hold a drawing to see who gets which WWE superstar or any wrestling superstar. You can create your own company name and hold your shows on any day of the week. All you need is an imagination and some time to put your show together. I don't know, I used to do this a while ago on my computer and it was fun. Sound interesting to anyone here?

If you can think of way to make it work,I'd probably be interested..

I think it would be fun and I could make it work. You run your own show. Come up with a name of the show and what day the show will run. We can't have the shows on the same day. I'll start a list of wrestlers and let people add more names to make sure we get a complete list of wrestlers, alive, dead, retired, currently wrestling, this is a fantasy league here ladies and gentlemen, everyone will wrestle. We'll slip to see which show picks first and one by one we pick from the list of wrestlers. No, tag teams and groups (such as evolution) cannot be picked all at once. Once you have your wrestlers, you figure out titles, tag-teams, who's gonna be heel and face, which groups will rule and we basically compete against each other for the best show. Anything can happen on your show. You can trade wrestlers with other shows if everything is in order and you make it work the way you want. You can hold as many matches per show that you want, you do whatever you want with your show, but what you do gives your show an honest rating from the other owners of other shows. If your ratings suck, you can give up your show and roster to whomever you think should benefit, or you can hold onto them and think of ways to make your show better. I'll start the list. If I miss anyone, you post with other names and after awhile, we'll compile the final full list of wrestlers to draw from. Right now, if you're interested, start thinking about company names, show name, and your name as the owner. WWE, ECW and WCW are all off limits as names of companies and Raw, Smackdown, Nitro and any other show names are also off limits. There will also be scheduled pay-per-views, but you're in charge of when they'll air and all that.

Okay, I thought this was funny, but it's true. Kane is going to take some time off this summer to....get ready for the olympics. He's going to try amateur wrestling.


Okay, here's the list I've made so far
Stone Cold Steve Austin
The Rock
Triple H
The Undertaker
Brock Lesnar
Chris Benoit
Kurt Angle
Kevin Nash
Rob Van Dam
Eddie Guerrero
Chris Jericho
Sting
Bret Hart
Hulk Hogan
Randy Savage
Buff Bagwell
Diamond Dallas Page
Scott Hall
Kane
Droz
Dean Malenko
Tommy Dreamer
John Cena
Albert (A-Train)
Al Snow
Batista
Christian
Edge
Garrison Cade
Johnny Nitro
Lance Storm
Mark Henry
Matt Hardy
Jeff Hardy
Maven
Mick Foley
Randy Orton
Rhyno
Ric Flair
Rob Conway
Rosey
Scott Steiner
Shelton Benjamin
Tajiri
Test
Hurricane
Tyson Tomco
Val Venis
William Regal
Big Show
Bill DeMott
Billy Gunn
Billy Kidman
Booker T
Bubba Ray Dudley
Charlie Haas
Chavo Guerrero
Chavo Classic
D-Von Dudley
Hardcore Holly
Jamie Noble
John Bradshaw Layfield
Johnny Stamboli
Mordecai
Nunzio
Orlando Jordan
Rene Dupree
Rey Mysterio
Rico
Rikishi
Shannon Moore
Spike Dudley
Tazz
Ultimo Dragon
Jeff Jarret
Owen Hart
Stu Hart
Ken Shamrock
Kevin Northcutt
D-Lo Brown
Jerry Lynn
Dusty Rhodes
Raven
Scott Hall

Saucy, I think you'd better see if you can start a seperate thread for your idea. This whole thread would probably get way too confusing otherwise..

Kane...to the olympics??? oh well...
last I heard Kane was learning to drive a stick so we wouldn't have another Katie Vick incident...

hahaha dude that was horrible.

oh yeah, each show will have it's own thread

And that many threads might just require a forum of there own .


Saucy, I understand that some people have a passion for wrestling, I like many other members , do not understand the attraction .And it would be fair to assume that most people come to this forum to discuss Unexplained Mysteries of all things .
A flood of wrestling threads will not be appreciated .

Believe it or not, avid fan though I am, I agree with Kismit...

There are a wealth of e-feds, booking sims, fantasy wrestling forums, and any number of such things out there that you could find if you were really desperate to run your idea. If you wanted, you could set it up between members here via email.

However, the board really isn't the place for it It's a discussion board, not an RP forum.

Okay, I understand. I bow before Sera-one and listen to her every word and this idea shall not come to pass. Instead, I will call it a moment of insanity and move on. What? Kane's going to the olympics? No way!

um...if you need a board to use for this thing...you can use my board...just click the link in my signature...