Shadowsleet
Jul 27 2005, 11:17 AM
Well, I'm sorry I missed it...who could go another week without watching two old men, who should be passing the torch and readying the young guys to take over when they're not around, instead getting fed up of hogging the spotlight seperately, and instead compete so that their combined efforts might draw all the spotlights, and overshadow the hype on every other fued in the show.
Subtemperate
Jul 27 2005, 11:19 AM
Oh my god...... WWE has become WCW..... And I never even noticed.....
Not that ive watched it for 3 or 4 months.......
rainbow_serpent
Jul 27 2005, 09:42 PM
QUOTE(Talon @ Jul 26 2005, 05:39 PM)
Typical WWE. They hype Christain vs Cena for months. Then put them on different shows. They give him enough time for the fans to see how good he is, then put him in squash matches. The fans demand to see him, the WWE puts him in Dark Matches.
Meanwhile the people who the fans hate get forced down our throats.
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I have always hated both Edge and Christain. What a stupid name Christain is for a pro wrestler.
Shadowsleet
Jul 27 2005, 11:24 PM
Well you see, so long as Christian can wrestle like he can, I honestly wouldn't care if the called him Mr. Ding Dong.
wrighty
Jul 27 2005, 11:37 PM
Edge is a good wrestling name. does the rock still wrestle?
Talon
Jul 27 2005, 11:38 PM
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Well you see, so long as Christian can wrestle like he can, I honestly wouldn't care if the called him Mr. Ding Dong.
Any chance the guy who names him that was the same person who came up with the Donk gimmic?
Subtemperate
Jul 27 2005, 11:41 PM
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I have always hated both Edge and Christain. What a stupid name Christain is for a pro wrestler.
And "Rainbow Serpent" is a brilliant name for a forum? lol
I guess Christian isn't as cool as Hulk Hogans real name "Terry Bollea".....
wrighty
Jul 27 2005, 11:42 PM
QUOTE(Subtemperate @ Jul 27 2005, 11:41 PM)
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I have always hated both Edge and Christain. What a stupid name Christain is for a pro wrestler.
And "Rainbow Serpent" is a brilliant name for a forum? lol
I guess Christian isn't as cool as Hulk Hogans real name "Terry Bollea".....
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lol
Shadowsleet
Jul 27 2005, 11:43 PM
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does the rock still wrestle?
No. He's moved on to his acting career now...although he does pop up in the WWE every so often for special appearances.
wrighty
Jul 27 2005, 11:44 PM
QUOTE(Shadowsleet @ Jul 27 2005, 11:43 PM)
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does the rock still wrestle?
No. He's moved on to his acting career now...although he does pop up in the WWE every so often for special appearances.
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In seen walking tall and welcome to the jungle he stars in them
Subtemperate
Jul 27 2005, 11:46 PM
Yes, hes also one of the stars in the Doom movie, which will be out in october....
Subtemperate
Jul 27 2005, 11:52 PM
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WWE.com has learned that Brock Lesnar has met with his attorney, David Olsen, to discuss the written contract offer Lesnar received last week from World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. It is unclear when the contract will be signed. The terms were not disclosed
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 12:21 AM
As much as I don't want to make Brock think he can just wander back into the main event after what he said, I do hope he replaces JBL as main heel.
Subtemperate
Jul 28 2005, 12:23 AM
I think you'll find he will come in and one of the first people he will fued with will be JBL....
JBL was asked about him on byte this, and said he knew from the first time he got in the ring with him he was a superstar in the making...... ANd the only reaon he got a shot at the top, was him leaving..... So I have a feeling those two would fued, with JBL putting Borck over again....
Thats my feeling anyhow.... save Batista vs Brock for wrestlemania or something like that...
Subtemperate
Jul 28 2005, 12:35 AM
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Television network demands that controversial character be removed from programming
by Brian Holmes / Opinion Writer
July 27, 2005
Patriotism is a strange word. To really understand it, one needs to assemble it in the same way a chef or a really creative line-cook might. First, mix one part cultural dominance, then one part fear, one part corporate dictation, and finally a dash of illogical rhetoric and well, there you go-one crappy nationalistic meat pie. To illustrate this, just ask Mark Copani, better known to World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. (WWE) fanatics out there as Muhammad Hassan.
Recently, WWE, under the pressure of Viacom, who’s UPN station features their television program “SmackDown,” decided to remove Copani’s character from the show. This came after a performance in which Hassan used a rival opponent on SmackDown as a prop for a well-orchestrated, theatrical plot. This is nothing new to the WWE. In fact, it is what helps keep their ratings so high. So, what’s really going here? Why all the hype over this particular character’s removal?
Well, for starters, Copani’s character Hassan is a confusing mixture of entertainment and anti-Americanism. He is by no stretch of the imagination a vocal well-wisher of any kind, as his opponents and audiences alike could attest. But neither are many of the characters on “SmackDown.” It’s what makes the show so fascinating to watch. I mean for God’s sake, just ask our Opinion Editor, Drew Mayes.
How cool would Hassan be if he brought roses into the ring and thanked his rivals for that warm, fuzzy feeling he gets after a spine buster? But, ultimately, there is something else more pervasive and loathsome that creeps into the ring: fear.
Mark Copani as Muhammad Hassan represents an over-generalized image of terror. His role as an angry, politically charged Arab-American wrestler is humorous, biting and perfectly reasonable in this day and age of under-reporting and over-stimulating of racial and cultural stereotypes by our news media. In this way, his role, though absurdly conflicted, is still just flair.
Yes, he makes threatening anti-American statements to his audiences. Yes, his recent theatric quite possibly cost him his job. And yes, the American public is scared to embrace his racy tactics, but not as much as the WWE. They are only afraid of losing money. Who cares if Copani is actually Italian-American? Who cares how often the dominant culture of this nation co-opts other cultures and then churns them out for the masses? So, if no ones cares, then let’s call it what it really is: character assassination.
Copani may continue to work in the wrestling industry, thoughhis role as Hassan will be swept under the rug. But should it? He’s not guilty of anything except being creative, entertaining, and an excellent athlete. His big-money attitude gets a crowd response, even if they scream obscenities at him while he’s embarrassing a rival in the ring.
The Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee has issued many complaints, but none mattered as much as when the London transit bombings took place. It was by sheer coincidence, that Copani issued his “sacrifce” on his opponent at the same time. But, of course, by then it was too late for Muhammad Hassan. The WWE put up the blinders and the whole nasty mess was taken out behind the dumpsters. Thank Allah for Pay-Per-View and a really crappy-tasting nationalistic meat pie.
From www.arbiteronline.com
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 01:16 AM
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Yes, he makes threatening anti-American statements to his audiences. Yes, his recent theatric quite possibly cost him his job. And yes, the American public is scared to embrace his racy tactics,
I think they missed the point. That part of his gimmic was the pat everyone excepted. It was the bit were he said he was representing all American Arabs which concerned most of us in this day and age. A little more emphasis should have been made on the fact he was an extremist.
Although, I don't care anymore, I'm not Islamic, portray it as an evil religion if you must, I'm sick of posting the same thing over and over again.
Subtemperate
Jul 28 2005, 01:22 AM
As I stated a few posts ago, I have no idea... I haven't watched WWE for sometime so I have no clue as to how hes prtrayed himself....
i was just posting an opposing viewpoint, as I cant really have one since I haven't seen the stuff in question, apart from the terrorist angle...
Anyhow I couldn't care less myself....lol
Hassan is heading back to raw in anycase....
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 01:31 AM
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As I stated a few posts ago, I have no idea... I haven't watched WWE for sometime so I have no clue as to how hes prtrayed himself....
I was talking to Brian Holmes
Subtemperate
Jul 28 2005, 01:34 AM
I wasn't replying to you lol.... I was making it clear i didnt share the same view as Biran, as I can't of seen the character in question.
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 01:40 AM
You know, I still haven't watched a Hassan match..... can someone please tell me if he's any good
Shadowsleet
Jul 28 2005, 01:44 AM
Yes, he was good....good for a young guy anyway. More importantly, he was actually entertaining in the ring...something you don't see from idiots like Chris Masters and such and such.
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 01:52 AM
So please WWE use him, just don't use such disgusting angles
Subtemperate
Jul 28 2005, 06:26 AM
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Matt Morgan recently stated on his official website that he was very surprised that The Dudley Boys and Maven got fired from WWE. Morgan also said the following about bullies in WWE: "There are no bullies "backstage" in WWE. Threre are those that protect our business more so than others, and rightfully so as this business is a privelidge to be a part of. As far as Hardcore Holly and JBL, they have done nothing but help me grow thicker skin and help me improve my in ring ability and get me closer to reaching my potential. I owe those two for such help and others can learn from them as well. Hardcore Holly is one of if not the best athlete and is the most dedicated guy on the WWE's roster to helping younger talent improve and giving his opinion to you. I was lucky enough to be on the road and watch JBL and how a "heel" is supposed to be. He is a "heel's heel". There is no one on either roster who does there job better in being a heel than JBL. I learned alot from him. There are others like Undertaker and Kane as well who I grew up watching and idoling who specifically would help me as a big man understand this business and for that I am grateful. If someone has ever "gotten bullied" it is because they let themselves get bullied!! All egos get checked at the door in this business or at least should be."
TheEssenceofExcellence
Jul 28 2005, 10:04 AM
Hassan wasn't a good wrestler, he wasn't entertaining in the ring either. LOL He had a good gimmick that was funny every once and a while, but he wasn't good in the ring. Christian isn't a good wrestler either (he's better than Hassan), but he isn't very good in the big picture.
Edge is a half way decent wrestler, but I can't stand the guy. But he should have been given the strap long before guys like Orton, Batista, and Cena were given it, that's for damn sure!
The problem with the WWE is that their storylines are lack luster, and they push talent that can't wrestle their way out of a grocery bag!!!
The ONLY young guys the WWE had that could wrestle, and that could become big names were Charlie Haas (who they stupidly fired) and Shelton Benjamin.
Guys like Batista (has an OK gimmick) but can't wrestle, his mic skills are horrible on top of that. Orton has good mic skills, and when he was a part of Evolution his gimmick worked perfectly, but now that he's not he just leaves you with a sour taste in your mouth. Orton has potential, and can put on some good matches.......but he's not big enough to be a main eventer, he's too damn skinny. What the WWE needs to do with him....is keep him as a mid-carder for about 2 years while he works on his muscle mass, once he gets bigger, then he could be pushed to main event status again. Cena, he just plain sucks, lol. I liked him when he first arrived because he showed off great mic skills, (he's a nice guy in real life) but now he sucks on the mic, which when put together with his bad wrestling ability spells out bad news for WWE. He has a big fan following at the moment, but he can't deliver quality main event matches that are needed to be the top guy in the business.
The WWE is busy trying to create all these new superstars, but in the process they've forgotten about the established superstars they already have!!!
Right now, the WWE should be pushing Eddie Guerrero, Chris Beniot, HBK, Y2J, HHH, Kurt Angle, RVD, Taker, Matt Hardy, and Edge
The most important to push right now are HBK, Y2J, Beniot, RVD, Angle, and Eddie.......these guys are in their 30's and pushing 40. They need to utilize their veteran talent (that can actually put on great matches) while they still can. These guys won't be around forever, HBK in particular will probably be retiring within a few years; RVD is someone they should be pushing big time right now, because he'll only be able to do the amazing things he can do in the ring for a certain amount of time before age will start creeping up on him. The WWE needs to use the talent they have while they have it; otherwise within the next ten years or so they'll all be gone, and they'll be stuck with no talent wrestlers and bad ratings.
But the BIGGEST problem WWE has at the moment, is trying to shove piece of crap wrestlers down our throat like JBL. JBL is out of shape (flabby), his character is a rip off of George Bush, he can't wrestle, and for God's sake his finisher is a CLOTHESLINE?!!?!?! Every fan knows JBL sucks, as a life long wrestling fan it's sickening to see someone with such little talent be the champion. I stopped watching smackdown for almost 6 months because of him, Smackdown sucked so bad I couldn't even sit through it, the only good thing about smackdown the last year or so has been a few of the Diva search divas being on their who were nice to look at..... The bottom line is, the WWE shouldn't have crappy talent beat good talent, it looks bad for their entire business. We know the storylines are made beforehand, but come on! Watching the WWE these days is like watching the Houston Texans beating the super bowl champions 49-0; your draw drops and you just can't believe the ridiculous crap your seeing.
I've been a wrestling fan all my life, and I loved the WWF. But I personally hope TNA gets that spike TV deal or a spot on another cable network and runs the WWE out of business!
(if any WWE official is searching the net for fans opinions on their product, take mine as a cry for help. Fix the problems WWE please..... I can't stand it anymore!!!!)
Subtemperate
Jul 28 2005, 01:53 PM
Ok, I was with you... Until you started your first paragraph. Now, Im not sure which school of wrestling you come from...... But how you can class Christian and Hassan as people who can't wrestle astounds me.
Christian has eventually gotten over, BECAUSE he is good in the ring, and good on the mic... even though he always get beat. lol
Hassan I didn't see much of, ut just because they don't mat wrestle, doesn't mean that they aren't good wrestlers....... For god sake your saying they should push HHH? Have you watched wrestling the last 3 years? They have done nothing but.....
I am a huge Undertaker mark, always have been, always will be... He is my favourite character of all time. However, how you can say he should get pushed..... When you think Christian shouldn't is beyond me.....
Apart from that I'd echo much of what you said..... But what you said about christian and hassan is wrong. Christian in particular always has the job of making his opponent look good. its a skill many a wrestler could pick up from him, because he is the best at it at the moment...... Bar maybe Benoit....
Seraphina
Jul 28 2005, 04:12 PM
Christian should certainly have been used...whether fueding with Cena on RAW (amazingly stupid to drop the ball on that after hyping it so long, and the fans obviously wanting to see it), or going to Smackdown and taking the title there...
It's...mental...certainly, Christian is one of the best prospects in wrestling right now, and if you honestly don't think he's a great wrestler, then you need to dust off your glasses a little.
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 04:12 PM
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Christian isn't a good wrestler either
Your joking right?

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Right now, the WWE should be pushing Eddie Guerrero, Chris Beniot, HBK, Y2J, HHH, Kurt Angle, RVD, Taker, Matt Hardy, and Edge
No way. HBK has only a few years in him, and Taker has only a few months. HHH is so over used to sickening. And Edge isn't in the same league as those other names.
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 04:14 PM
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stupid to drop the ball on that after hyping it so long, and the fans obviously wanting to see it
One problem of the WWE, they feel if the public want to see a match, then the hype has already worked and the person gotten over and doesn't need to be in the match. Thus the people who get the matches are the ones the fans don't want to see as the WWE beleives its them who needs aire time

Trust me, if the fans hadn't wanted to see Cena vs Charisma, we would have seen it.
Seraphina
Jul 28 2005, 04:18 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to sum it up and just say "The WWE doesn't want to make money anymore"?
Subtemperate
Jul 28 2005, 04:26 PM
Hmmm..that might actually make sense.
You ralise if you have a business with many different entities, and one side makes a profit, a way to get away with paying less tax is to lose money in another part of your business.
That is why often investiment companies give free or cheap sessions on how to handle money... they write it off....
Anyhow, that would be insane, given the money WWE could pull if they actually wanted to lol
AtticusBlueprint
Jul 28 2005, 05:14 PM
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-- Chris Jericho is expected to be gone from the WWE within 6 weeks, with SummerSlam being his last show. Jericho has a multitude of gigs booked for his band, Fozzy, including a ten-day tour of the UK in October.

So I guess that means he's losing the title match...now we can enjoy HHH as the main heel again for another year
AtticusBlueprint
Jul 28 2005, 08:44 PM
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Sources within World Wrestling Entertainment have confirmed that both Spanky and Jamie Noble (James Gibson on the independent scene) will be returning to the company. Noble was actually at WWE Headquarters Wednesday, likely discussing the terms of his return deal.
Both Spanky and Noble have worked with Ring Of Honor this year; some have actually referred to Noble as ROH's MVP of the first six months of 2005.
No terms of the deal or start date were available at press time. It is believed that both will be allowed to fulfill their independent dates before starting with WWE.

Wow! The WWE is actually getting some good talent now when creative gets into shape we can get some good TV.
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 09:03 PM
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Wow! The WWE is actually getting some good talent
Your shock is felt by us all
AtticusBlueprint
Jul 28 2005, 10:29 PM
Yeah it really is amazing...
But now we have to wonder if they will be used or not
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 11:12 PM
Oh the will

As jobbers
Shadowsleet
Jul 28 2005, 11:17 PM
Jobbers...openers...certainly, Noble won't be treated with the respect due to one of the best technical wrestlers in the US.
Talon
Jul 28 2005, 11:49 PM
Actually, being good means he will be instantly put against JBL to put 'the wrestling god' (ick) 'over' in a squash match
AtticusBlueprint
Jul 29 2005, 12:28 AM
Yeah...but you never know Juvi, Super Crazy and Psycosis haven't been jobbed out yet, same with Kazarian
Thats Scotty 2 Hotty and Funaki's job
Talon
Jul 29 2005, 01:55 AM
Kazarian.... who?
AtticusBlueprint
Jul 29 2005, 02:01 AM
lol
The guy that came from TNA

....
Well he hasn't made his appearance on Smackdown yet, but he's gotten a lot of time on Velocity including mic time before and after the match and winning of Velocity too, and that beats losing on Velocity.
He's good tho
Talon
Jul 29 2005, 03:11 AM
There you go, I never watch Velocity

... actually hardly ever watch RAW or SD anymore either.
I want TNA to go tv, I'll watch them
AtticusBlueprint
Jul 29 2005, 03:44 AM
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actually hardly ever watch RAW or SD anymore either.
I don't blame you, because that takes me to something I was going to bring up
Now I'm sitting there watchin Smackdown, and I read that they were bring up a girl from OVW named Jillian Hall to be the "publicist" for MNM. So I thought "oh okay somebody new lets see how she does" then I see this....

After a few minutes of laughing, I remember that they were supposed to give a gimmick to Melina were she had a mole on her face then it got nixed for MNM but it looks like Jillian didn't get so lucky and thats not even a mole.
Now honestly how stupid is that, it doesn't even look remotely real
Sometimes I wonder what they are smoking
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I want TNA to go tv, I'll watch them
Agreed
Subtemperate
Jul 29 2005, 04:37 AM
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With all of the recent internet rumors about Chris Jericho leaving WWE, he has posted the following statement on WWE.com:
Chris Jericho wants to set the record straight.
With various outside sources reporting that Jericho has yet to sign a contract extension with WWE, the former undisputed champion made sure to contact WWE.com and denounce those reports.
“I signed an extension on Monday in Cleveland at Gund Arena,” Jericho said. “I’ve been working with WWE for six years and I’m not going anywhere.”
Jericho, who didn’t want to disclose specifics regarding the contract, signed a short-term extension this week and said a longer extension is likely still in the works. Jericho still has big plans for his band Fozzy, but doesn’t expect his musical career to interfere with his job as a wrestler.
“Fozzy isn’t a factor at all,” Jericho said. “Things with the band are going great and WWE has been really positive with Fozzy. We have some great opportunities overseas with the band, but none of that is going to hinder my time with WWE.”
“I’m still an employee of WWE,” Jericho said. “My contract had expired but I’m back and looking toward the future.”
Seraphina
Jul 29 2005, 09:16 AM
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“I signed an extension on Monday in Cleveland at Gund Arena,” Jericho said. “I’ve been working with WWE for six years and I’m not going anywhere.”
And suddenly, the strewn mess that had become my life reordered itself
Subtemperate
Jul 29 2005, 09:39 AM
[quote[On the subject of his movie career, Hogan explained that he's actually more successful than The Rock:
"Compared to the success that Brad Pitt or Arnold Schwarzenegger have had, people probably thought I had a run of B movies that sucked. But those movies were cheap to make and they generated a lot of revenue. If you watch what my movies made against what The Rock's movies are doing now, taking into account changing ticket prices and how many more theaters his movies were shown in, I still generated more revenue than he did."
While Hogan believes a match with Steve Austin could do big business, he's not sure if the two click enough to perform the match. He also had some less-than-flattering words for those under the impression that Austin is a star of his caliber:
"Austin has been in the business about 18 years and he was on top for four. I wrestled main events for 25 years. I could pull my **** out and I might be on top for four years - it's called 'cheap heat.' Somebody who stays on top 25 years has to have more than that. It has to be in your spirit." [/quote]
Oh dear god somebody just shoot him already...
Seraphina
Jul 29 2005, 09:42 AM
Jesus christ....is that man incapable of opening his mouth and saying anything at all respectful about anyone? Both Stone Cold Steve Austin and the Rock are, and always will be, far better performers than he's ever been (although...that's not saying much).
Subtemperate
Jul 29 2005, 09:47 AM
Well if Hogan has ever really wreslted other then laying on the mat before hulking up, perhaps he would have gotten more injuries like Austin did, perhaps if he tried to help make some people look good he would have copped far better moves then what he did.....
Difference between the Rock and Hogan, Hogans films were cheap and aimed at Kids..... Rocks are aimed at mainstream audience, which is much harder to appeal to.
Anyhow, in the ring there is no comparison.... Like comparing the ability of Paul Heyman to give a promo, with Stephanie McMahon.
Subtemperate
Jul 29 2005, 09:57 AM
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James Gibson (Jamie Noble) sent out an email informing indy promoters that, due to signing with WWE, he is no longer able to take new bookings. It remains to be seen if WWE will let him fulfill his outstanding commitments, but odds are that it will.
Subtemperate
Jul 29 2005, 10:43 AM
from a Q & A session with lance Storm on his website...
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Q: Also, why do you think the WWE appears to have no faith that tag wrestling can help the product? With the split of the Bashams only the latest example, there just doesn't seem to be any plans to build and keep teams together over the long haul.
A: I don’t think it is having no faith, I think it is just the evolution of the sport on TV is making it near impossible to do tag team wrestling properly anymore. Wow this will take a while to explain. The RAW style TV format of all big matches on TV is at fault in my opinion. Tag Team wrestling uses up so many bodies. Back in the good old days of Tag Team Glory, WWE could have 6-10 teams and would only have one or two angles for tag teams. All the teams would be on TV winning squash matches and they would get over as a winning Combo. WWE would then send out 2 or 3 different shows on the road and they would all work matches on the road. None of them would be getting beat on TV, and usually just the title program would be explained each week on TV. Now with all big matches all the time, teams have to face other teams and the Val Venis-Lance Storm team for example gets beat a lot on TV and fans write us off as ‘jobbers’. To be on TV there has to be an angle and push now-a-days, and to push 6-10 teams and have opponents for them takes up too much time. With only one road show per brand per night (Fans want loaded shows) you can’t have more than 2 tag matches, which leaves at most 4 tag teams the title match and one more. With the singles guys having to be on TV every week in top matches those program have to incorporate tag matches as well so as to not burn out the feud too fast. Having your singles guys working tag matches Kills tag team wrestling even more so, but with Big Matches every week there is no other way to do it. For fans to get the long drawn out feuds, the everyone has established finishes, a full tag team division, the industry is going to have to get back to the Squash match style TV and not give away big matches every week on TV, and I doubt fans will accept this. It is a double-edged sword.
Moose-Of-Armageddon
Jul 29 2005, 11:35 AM
That, I must say, was pretty cool.Lance Storm used to be a great wrestler back to 2002.His opinions on tag-wrestling(I think it's great) are cool too.He had Christian as his partner for tag-team gold back then, didn't he?
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