OK again i will add that its not soccer its football.

Ofcourse football is better than wrestling its real lol

Only kiddin that was meant for sera.

That is tongue in cheek right???

You do realise that there was obviously a big comfy mat or net lined up for kurt to gently land in before they moved it and only then conviently showed him on the concrete.

You see its these wee daft skits that put me of WWE, one minute im thinking this is really quite enjoyable then some guy commits GBH lol and they expect us to believe that it just happened.

Why cant it just be good staged wresting matches , so its fake i dont care doesnt mean we cant enjoy it, but all the daft bits nah im sorry its so annoying.

You'll be very hard pressed to find a name that isn't already in use by someone, somewhere The trick is just to find one that isn't being used by anyone that's well known, so nobody can sue you

Basically, I feel that wrestlers push themselves further and harder than any other sportsmen on the planet...and there are no other athletes in the world who put themselves through more, just for the sake of our entertainment.

Just thought I'd share...and now, I'm gonna go play Smackdown 5, where Seraphina is going to have a shoot match with Goldberg, and fold him into many interesting shapes, because she can wrestle, and he can't

do you know how many times I have been eliminated from the royal rumble by Goldberg??? too many times to count...thats why me and my freinds take him out and replace him with Bill Cosby or "The Real" Ricky Fallon!!!

The last I heard about the Sting situation, the WWE wanted him, but negotiations broke down. Apparantly Vince got impatient, and gave Sting a deadline to say "yes or no"...Sting didn't like that, and told Vince where to go.

To the best of my knowledge, no serious negotiations have been restarted...although I don't make much effort to keep up with Sting rumours; he's another example of what I call "The Raven effect"...a guy who can't work a match to save himself, but is charismatic enough that the smarks like him...and, of course, the casual fans love anybody who's marketed right.

Wouldn't want to see him fued with Randy either...he's so past his prime, he's little more than a nostalgia trip now.

Good lord no....for a start, I'm a firm believer in good old fashioned wrestling...Eddie vs Kurt remains my favourite match of this year so far, and I'm a huge fan of good technical ountings by guys like Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Lance Storm, Jamie Noble and Tajiri...big flashy people like Rey Mysterio of Jeff Hardy *pukes*, and absolutely appauling wrestlers like Bradshaw, Goldberg, Kain and Mark Hendry are a real bastardisation of what the sport is supposed to be about.

The industry has been trying to move in a more "back to basics" direction as of late...which is a damn good thing. You can put two guys in a ladder match, get a huge pop doing it...and then have two guys who won't be able to wrestle at their best for weeks afterwards, and will probably have lost at least a few years of their careers in the process. Stipulation matches should remain few and far between....not only to protect the wrestler's well being, but so they're not cheapened by frequency.

Ah, but the problem is that most of the "powerhouses" can't actually wrestle Big Show, A-Train, Kain, Goldberg, Undertaker, Batista, Test...the big man who can actually put on a good match is a rare thing indeed. In fact, The Undertaker and Kain (in their prime) were the only ones I can recall who were able to do so...but have slipped so much now it's not even worth considering.

That wouldn't have been so bad...just so long as the Triper worked hard (which he's been doing lately). It certainly would have been better than Brock vs Goldberg (for a start, Brock wouldn't need to carry Triple H to the same extent), and might actually have been a decent send off match for Brock.

That was, by far and away, the worst match of all time...Brock didn't rise to the occasion because the fan's reception visibly upset him, and Goldberg didn't rise to the occasion because he's the most overhyped bag of steriod pumped lard walking the face of the planet; as good as Brock was, even he couldn't carry Goldberg under those circumstances (the only person to ever succeed in carrying Goldberg to a good match, in living memory, is Chris Jericho, and he had to do the work of ten men to do it)

As am I....however, there's a limit to how far that can go. A pair of guys leapfrogging around the ring with tables and ladders might get a big pop, but will it ever be considered a "classic encounter"? No...looking at the TLC matches, the tag team ladder matches, table matches, and everything else of that genre, they're all spot fests, without a strong story or a real sense of purpose. They trim years off the wrestlers careers for the sake of a few cheers, and some nifty replays....although I'll admit I enjoyed them too, I'd rather see them kept few and far between.

The advantages of a good technical wrestling match....for a start, high flyers are completely inconsistant in the quality of their performances. By their very nature, they're a collection of spot monkeys, who might wow the crowd with a dazzling move, but at the end of the day every single one of their matches looks the same. By far and away the best matches Rey Mysterio, for example, were during his fueds with Kurt Angle and Tajiri, where he was carried through them.

On a sidenote, Jeff Hardy is the worst example of a spot monkey that I've ever seen: 0 wrestling ability, 0 story telling ability, and did nothing to be remembered for in his career except being a frustrated junkie who threw himself of ladders, so often that it stopped even meaning anything.

Brawlers are a little more consistant than high flyers...for a start, their style allows for a little more variety, and looking at men such as Mick Foley *makes loud pop*, Stone Cold Steve Austin *makes louder pop*, and the Rock, some of the most efficient "story tellers" in a match have worked a brawling style, and managed to make it damn entertaining. However, none of their moves are going to really "wow" the crowd, and they usually end up having to resort to big spots to make the match memorable, which again shortens their career.

Which brings us to technical wrestling...the REAL wrestling...

Kurt Angle! Chris Benoit! Bret Hart! Eddie Guererro! Owen Hart! Shawn Michaels! Chris Jericho! Antonio Inoki! Satoshi Kojima! The Great Muta! Randy Savage! The Million Dollar Man! Ricky Steam Boat! And...WOOOOOOOOO! Ric Flair!

Almost all of the greatest wrestlers of all time...the most over, the most memorable, who've put on the most timeless and enduring matches have been....wait for it...technical wrestlers! Men who have been capable of getting in the ring and having five star match after five star match, night in, night out, with anybody.

Technical wrestling is about telling a story....say the monster heel, pounding wildly on the smaller, plucky face. The face, every chance he gets, larges for a body part of the monster, even though doing so loses him the advantage. The face will get beaten to a pulp, the heel cleaning the ring with him, until finally the face's hard work pays off, working the same body part over and over finally allows him to slap on a hold, forcing the weakened giant to submit.

Two technical masters...let's say Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle...two men who are considered, perhaps, the best in the world today, echanging hold after hold, after hold, countering move into move, each never able to quite secure the advantage, building up until one of them finally snaps from the pressure, shattering the other with a bone crushing explosion of blows, as the match errupts from a battle to determine the best, to a battle to determine who will survive!

It's about telling a story...about actually having a match that's about more than one guy hitting another, or who can jump off the tallest ladder. When's the last time a high flyer was mentioned in a contender for "greatest match of all time"?

Short answer - never

High spots like Shane's plunge off the top of the ovatron at Summerslam 2000, or when the Big Show chokeslammed Kane through a hole in the stage during the same year...might get remembered for a few months. But who's going to ever forget the classic encounters between Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat? Who's going to forget Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar in the main event of wrestlemania 19? Who's EVER going to forget Eddie Guererro's gimmick, and the way it's been the most entertaining thing in wrestling for years

A big bump gets you a cheer....the ability to put on a good match, and hold the crowd in the palm of your hand gets you immortality.

I miss WCW and NWO too...Sting was my idol as I was growing up...I remember Starcade (1995 maybe)...Sting vs. Hogan, WCW title on the line...Hogan was the reigning champ for a few months...and sting took it to him...smashed him with the bat and won the title...since that moment, It has become my life's ambition to be a pro wrestler...

Scott Hall...always entertaining, always funny, and most importantly, always drunk...he's been fired for being drunk on the job too many times to count(lets refer to Hall vs. Nash in there epic bar room brawl) Hall, although I like his whole persona, he can't wrestle his way out of a paper bag...but again...he is still entertaining...

anyways, welcome to the Official Wrestling Thread Nxt!!!

P.S. I posted that pic up here somewhere...in Snuffy's crazy picture contest thingy...

Chris Benoit is one of those guys who can wrestle a match with Kurt Angle and make it lokk like one of Olympic Quality...and then wrestle a match with HHH and it'll be an absolute slugfest worthy of a Pay Per View...that is why I like Chris Benoit...he knows how to 'wrestle' ...but can switch his style of wrestling so easily that I am in awe of it...

Shawn Micheals...he isn't really know for his technical wrestling...Yes, he is also a somewhat high flyer...I was astonished when I first saw HBK wrestle...He did stuff that I didn't even know was possible. then I started watching cruserweights and all of the high flying he did wasn't all too special...but HBK is another one of the guys who can switch his styles so easily

so...yeah...i forgot my point...

That's because Chris Benoit was born wearing wrestling boots, and suplexed the doctor when he slapped him

The thing about Shawn Michaels is, while he takes to the air very rarely, and doesn't exactly hit a triple sommersault spinning plancha of death when he does...everything Shawn Michaels does in the ring means something.

Guys like Shawn Michaels, Owen Hart, the Dynamate Kid...they might not have had the same airial arsenal of guys like Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, or Rob Van Damn....the difference between the them and the latter is that they knew how to not only hit a move that would stun the crowd and get a huge pop, but also make it actually have some kind of significance.

When Dynamite Kid hit his diving headbutt...it's not because it's his finishing move, it's because "Dynamite wants to win so desperately, he's going to use his own body as a weapon!"

When Shawn Michaels splashed Bret Hart off the top of a ladder, it wasn't because he wanted a pop, it was because: "By god! Shawn Michaels hates Bret Hart so much, he's willing to anything...ANYTHING...to take him out! Even if it costs him his career!"

Any single move those guys ever did meant far more in the context of the match than every move Rey Mysterio has ever done put together.

When Jeff Hardy jumped off ladders, it's because he was the bump machine When Rey Mysterio springboards off the ropes, it's because that just happens to be how he wrestles...there's no energy in it, no emotion. It's nice to have a talent who can do incredible moves....but it's worthless unless they know when and where to use them.